Immaterialism 6

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99 wrote:The 22nd anniversary of the "ascension"  of Heaven's Gate is just around the corner. Only mentioning this because all of this talk about exiting the matrix is reminding me of that group and their method of doing that. How tragic... That group is a disturbing reminder to us of how far things can go so horribly wrong with cults.... especially religious ones.

I think we're beyond cults at this point. Humanity is maturing at a rapid pace.

I'll be look forward to a update on your meeting Sat.

We live in a time of rapid technological development especially in the area of information and communication, the dynamics of which, have inundated the noosephere to the point of complete saturation. Because of that overload, that information from that stream is bleeding back into our realm to such an extent, most cannot process it without going through an existential crisis that's triggering off spiritual emergencies amongst whole populations.. big time. 

Very few can handle that kind of information overload hence the rise of the luddites with people like Trump at the helm. His election to the top position in the world is a response to this crisis.

Invitation: Heaven Can Wait with Dan Smith & Princess Aliyah  @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:30pm - 3:30pm (EDT)

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How do we get to this meeting?

Many thanks Dan

Wouldn't the public opening of interdimensional portals completely collapse the world economy in about two hours?

CG,

Well, maybe we’ll get to find out.
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I guess we’re waiting for the Princess to open the meeting......

i am willing to give it a shot. Bring on the madness. The world is broken anyway.

I came onto the meeting but the sound was awful this side of the pond, hence I didn't say anything.
You sounded as if You were in a submarine or such.

hobbit

hobbit,

Thank you and everyone for tuning in.  

The Princess and I enjoyed hanging out with you.  It was an enjoyable sunny day on the back porch in Virginia.  

If there were any surprises, it was about how boring Disclosure can be.  

The meeting was scheduled for one hour, but lasted for two and half hours, although there were only half a dozen of us, at the end.

The Ravens had a story to tell, while awaiting the Princess to ring the Bell. The Discloser was talking about a Small World in Hell, while She listened to the Ravens describe the Well. Hearing the Source is an Art as Well, knowing the language and the Source to tell. Did any of the humans even hear the Bell? Her Ravens had come through a long and dark Well.

The anatomy of Disclosure..........

There have not been any options to the best possible Disclosure..... certainly not in retrospect.  

Our main competition might be the Rama group, but it is not standing up.  

Our apparent competition, TTSA, is almost certainly connected with ours.  

There is only one person still posturing for a literal ET type disclosure, and that is my old acquaintance, Steve Bassett.  His is a rather lonely voice.  

Everyone else, still standing, sees Disclosure as heavily oriented toward the paranormal and consciousness.  

Even the second ‘witness’, with the TTSA/Nimitz event, is oriented toward a strictly mental aspect of the incident.  

Yes, astronomers keep up the steady drumbeat of discovering new planets, and speculating about ETI........ but where’s the beef?  The beef is in the continuing, very considerable, state support of the astromical community, internationally.  

Yes, there is still a considerable amount of momentum left in the blue sky dreams, and in the prestige of conquering space.

Otherwise, friends, it’s a very small world out there...... and there is only one candidate for queen bee.  

What else would we expect...... other than a small, personal world?  

And would there not have to be a governmental connection?  If we rule out the United Nations as be much too unwieldy and impersonal, we might have to appreciate the personal shenanigans of donny.  There may be something more deliberate going on.  

If there is any cosmic deliberation, where else might we have been looking, yesterday, but to a back porch in Virginia?  Is this rocket science, or what?  I ask you?  

So, then, what are we waiting for....... what is the hold up?  

The cards have all been played, now.  The last two cards were Brazil and, yes, the White House card, finally, sports fans.  

We’re just waiting for a few other folks to begin connecting these dots.  

Yes, immaterialism/personalism presents a major cultural barrier, until you give it something more than just a cursory glance.  

I do not have proof of any one of the several critical cards that we are alleged to hold.  There is not a smoking gun.  

The New York Times is not onto this trail.  The Grey Lady has been spooked of, for the nonce.  

It’s up to individual persons to step up to the BPW plate.  How many more years will this personal initiative require?  

I seriously doubt that we are looking at years.  More likely, we’re going to see a few months of some rather convoluted personal politics.  Things may get a bit more interesting for the patient observer/participators.  

If there is any truth to any of this, there will be a great deal of synergy, just beneath the surface.  Yes, there will be a hundredth monkey effect.  Who wants to be that one?  

One of the people, out at the Lake, behind the scenes, I’ve already been encouraged to contact.  Who knows what other cards any such person might be willing and able to bring to this table?  

Besides the hundredth monkey, we also must be watching out for the straw that will break this camel’s back.  

How many straws do we already have?  How many straws make a haystack?  

Philosophically, this is known as the sorites paradox.  The upshot of this paradox is that the answer is almost entirely subjective.  

I would maintain that we have the synergy between the concept of a gestalt switch and the sorites problem.  Things get extremely subjective, extremely quickly, when dealing with such a convoluted question.  

Perhaps the trickiest question, among tricky questions, is what the heck are we going to do with the prophetic tradition?  As if this weren’t the gorilla in the room?  Yes, I’ve already put my chips down on this question, and I don’t think that any one of us is going to be able to avoid it.  

I’d wager that it’s precisely this gorilla which is accounting for at least half of the procrastination/convolution that we’ve been witnessing in the Disclosure arena.  


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Here’s an analogue to our present phenomenological problem......

The astronaut is about to blast off........ should she be thinking about the one million parts, each built by the lowest bidder, beneath her, or about the Moon above?  

Our situation with regard to ‘evolution’ is similar.......

Are we sitting on a million random parts, or are we ascending a great chain of being?  

Are we a cancer on a planet, or a chrysalis about to hatch?  

Such larger considerations are going to bias our weighing of the ‘evidence’, irretrievably.  

Yes, sports fans, we do have a dog in this hunt.  I dare you to enter the quest for truth, with no bias.  99.9% of the scientists are doing it for a livelihood.  

Then you have to decide between the two theories of truth....... the correspondence theory and the coherence theory.



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Dan,

Thanks again for yesterday's GtM and please pass on my thanks to the Princess, Kashmir and the Raven.

Ravens it seems do foretell of many things ... and things do seem to be changing at an ever increasing pace.

Re the prophetic tradition, only my opinion, but we appear to be dealing with a paradigm and fear issue.

Gandhi perhaps called it right when he said that 'The enemy is fear' As to truth I agree with Steven Covey's view that we all see the world as 'we are' not 'as it is..'

Is not 'Truth' subjective for most? I would venture to say that it is, as my homeland is a shining example of differing 'truths and paradigms..'

But is it 'The truth?'

I can only speak for me that what I held to be true several years ago is no longer so.. Is it not so for many others? then why not so for the prophetic tradition?

Perhaps the fear of letting go of what some hold is presently greater than the possibility that they just might gain something much greater, much more precious.

It also seems to me from what I understand that we are dealing with secularised metaphysics and as this is your department as the SoT does that not mean that "you are next up to bat?"

Bahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

And not of every water do the Bees carry to Source, but of the trickling stream that springs from a Well, pure and undefiled, the very crown of waters...

Scott,

Thank you for attending the meeting.

Eschatology is not for the timid. I’m sorry.

Neither is truth, for that matter...... nor ufology, etc........

What are you hoping for...... looking for?

You might be wondering about the lack of turnout for Disclosure......



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The ravens guarding the tower of London


hobbit

ravens back at Stonehenge?

It's all about spin.

hobbit

Dan,

In terms of expectation, Shangri-La for all would be nice.

Given that we are on a schedule I guess we will find out in due course.


Smelly,

Welcome back



Hobbit,

Wasn't aware of the Stonehenge link. Thanks

Yes, I’m sure you would have felt right at home with the ravens in the back yard, hobbit.  


Scott,

We don’t promise any rose gardens.


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I spoke with one of Joe’s investors........

Along with discussing the big and small worlds, we also discussed economics......


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The subject of gravitonium came up.  A rare element indeed.  It doesn’t quite fit into the periodic table.  It sounds a bit like TTSA, with their exotic material.  It sounds like the philosophers’ stone.  Or is it a deactivator?

Is Joe consulting for Marvel's Agents of SHIELD now?

CC,  

Evidently.  

My source confirmed that Joe still does not like to talk about portals.  

I cannot claim that anything else was confirmed.  

That leaves Brazil hanging by the slender thread of my perception of a private conversation with Sgt Lopez.  Everything else originated ‘in house’.  

The fact that I was unable to obtain a confirmation, above, might even be taken as a disconfirmation.  

It appears that, unless you are already on the coherence track, you are not going to be allowed entry into the precincts of this ‘disclosure’, not until further notice.   

The fact that someone is pursuing a legal action against two of the principlals, offers a small confirmation of viability, perhaps.  I’m left to parse rather finely....... [foot] told you that?  How much emphasis was placed on that last word?  Such is my little world.  


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Forcing disclosees onto the coherence track....... hey, sports fans, this could be the essence of Disclosure.  

Think about it........

Otherwise, Disclosure is wasted....... do not cast pearls, etc, etc......

But which comes first........ coherence or disclosure.....?

You simply cannot have one without the other.  

Perhaps I get to be the first coherentist.  

If you are open to coherentism, everything else follows.  

Coherentism is simply the Mahayana.  This is skating onto the thin ice of anti-x, wouldn’t you say?  

The central claim of xianity is the Hinyana.  I’m calling in the bulldozer.  But what else could be the job description of the SoT?

SoCohTT........?!  Hmmm...... minor detail.  
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The more I consider coherentism, the more I am convinced that it is central to this enterprise and to philosophy, itself.  

For the last century, philosophy chased down the blind alley of facticity and analysis.  Only very slowly is philosophy beginning to recover.  

The philosophical enterprise is facing perhaps its ultimate dilemma..... it is a very slippery slope from reductionism to holism.  

The crux of that dilemma is contained in the simple observation that there is no daylight to be found between holism and personalism.  

It’s all over, but the shouting, sports fans.  

All of this was to be found in the Brazil sojourn.......  truth seemed so near, yet it was so far.  Out of that frustration can only come a greater appreciation of....... the inter subjectivity of our world.  

Sorry, there just isn’t any shortcut to the truth.  

So whatever happened to our cosmic trigger......?  

The cosmic trigger can only be that hundredth monkey..... it will be that ‘spontaneous’ social tipping point.  

Lights in the sky...... White House lawn....... forget it.  


7:40.........

Is Disclosure meant only for philosophers.....?

It may seem that way, and it may even be that way.  

How long would it take for a non philosopher to understand the CohTT?  

Is there anything technical to explain about coherence?  

Is there anything technical to explain about a theory of truth?  

In both cases, I would say no.  One paragraph should suffice...... total.

I’ve not had any feedback on this matter.  

Maybe I should practice.......



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Dan,

Thanks for the update, in pondering your post may I ask, would this have anything to do with the inscriptions left long ago with guidance for this time and how we may best avoid 'detaching our heads'?