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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:58 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by dan Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:27 pm

    Wait a minute.......

    Show me a single human who has been on a roller coaster and not had a thrill.

    None such exists.

    Relax, smelly, and enjoy the roller coaster.

    Just think of me as the barker for the coaster........ bow, wow.......



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:39 pm

    Dan, I am relaxed, you relax.

    A screaming monkey with goals is not relaxed.

    When I write, I write from a totally, still, relaxed state of mind.

    So who is speaking?

    I am on the roller coaster, but only my body and hair are moving, my mind is still.

    I am in no way as skilled at this as an Akido martial artist, they have trained their bodies to move the way I have learned to let my mind move, naturally.

    I deliberately and deligently pursued this way of no force the last 3 years, it led me beyond my thoughts or before my thoughts. You find you can’t do and not do, it’s a double bind.

    Then, when you let go, it does it itself Wink

    But to your comment, water has a force as part of the ocean, as a wave has potential, what I have first tried and now I feel I am allowing, is for energy to take its path of least resistance as it flows through.

    Seems to be working out in weird ways.

    More and more, I’m doing not doing.

    So I am not speaking from an intellectual only understanding, I don’t really understand it or it’s meaning or not, but it seems this is how energy moves in our lives.

    I avoided taking anxiety meds or worse by applying these principles of least resistance.

    I simply suggest, perhaps consider an alternative approach if things don’t seem to be flowing for you.

    Things can flow around and through you with little resistance and you can live in that flow.

    It seems this way of living is incongruous with our culture, it’s not.

    I lived it out and things seemed to be unstable, but they truly are always unstable.

    Stability is an illusion.

    So we become more like gymnastic monkeys of the heart and mind when we experience wholeness.

    I have applied this simple approach to the UFO problem.

    Any problem it seems can be dealt with from this open gymnastic awareness.

    Isn’t that a little cool?

    Some of you have tried this yourselves, is this not a clearer more lucid view of life?

    It does basically imply that nothing in any philosophy or book is real ultimately.

    The mind is a useful servant and a terrible master.

    I do like seeing monkeys free thelmselves from the tyrrany of the self.

    When we ride a coaster, we are playing with our fear of pain and death.

    When you remove time from the equation, it all collapses.

    I don’t need anything outside of my self to let it just happen.

    Hey Luke Perry is dead, BAM, massive stroke, prob didn’t know what hit him.

    Luke Perry was a moth that dissolved into awareness, just like we all will.

    What he did in life doesn’t matter to him any longer.

    It only mattered while he was alive.
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    Post by dan Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:04 pm

    A screaming monkey with goals...............?

    No, but I am a backseat driver.   Do you have a problem with that?

    Do you have a problem with Luke?  Are you suggesting that Luke had it all figured out?  What would be the best time for my next stroke?  

    But I am having fun with four leaf clovers.......

    One of them could be doug, bob, joe and grant........ don’t you think that sounds pretty lucky?  

    Yes, we do have radk, and we just need to switch the two d’s.  

    It’s not rocket science.  

    And there is plenty of bufferage between the two clovers........

    buddy, kevin...... + maybe a couple of folks from the other side.  

    ...... maybe Lais....... it couldn’t happen to a nicer person.  




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:30 pm

    I don’t have a problem Dan.

    Luke’s apparant problems are over.

    I remember hearing him in an interview saying he’s alive for his kids.

    Not anymore.

    When you want to have your last stroke, you will.

    It will be a doozy I’m sure.

    You can experience this from the backseat and I will float along in the stream on my back.

    It is what it is.

    We will both end up in the same place.

    This only matters here.

    No need to think about the past and future or present even is my only observation to offer.

    I do not discount anyone else’s experience of what is.

    You can scream your way through the coaster ride.

    Funz.

    We are all apparently here together, can’t deny that.

    But the very ground seems to have dissolved in my world, perhaps you found firm ground.

    Good for you if you can keep the illusion up til the end, I got tired of just pretending.  

    I can only lie on my back now and I have no desire to get out of the water and drive anywhere.

    Who can say what a better way to go is, by vehicle or by water?

    But it is interesting you don’t have to drive in a vehicle to get through life.

    The body is the ultimate vehicle, no?

    Vehicles are just easier for the body.

    But the burden is just shifted to the vehicle.

    If we all only used our natural vehicles one wonders if we would be facing storm apocalypses like we are.

    You can let it happen.

    Most probably never considered that.

    Probably by air is the fastest way to oblivion.

    When I find a piece of fruit, I throw it at your window.

    Maybe open the window every now and then and catch the fruit and taste it.

    You have nothing to lose.

    It’s delicious.
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    Post by dan Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:38 pm

    smelly,

    People do like to tell stories.

    Do you have a problem with that?
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:32 pm

    I have many stories to tell.

    There may be no end to the stories I tell.

    Nothing wrong with a story

    People like stories

    Stories are fun

    Stories can teach and unteach



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:40 pm

    The more stories the merrier Dan.

    We are in the world of appearances.

    What do I care really what appears or not, it’s all part of my story Wink

    Maybe it’s better most not know in this culture their life is a story.

    If people weren’t allowed to wake up, they couldn’t find what they find.

    It isn’t that you escape storyland, you just accept it.

    But this is where I showed up Dan and appeared.

    And this is what I am.

    This is what is.

    We all have to accept what appears.

    Even a smelly goat.

    Thoughts appear too.

    They appear to be tests in a game.

    The appearance appears to be a game.

    I would be who I am anywhere I appeared.

    This is how I play the game.

    I float on my back and see the sky.

    I can’t tell if im the sky or what appears in it.

    I think that’s perfectly imperfect.

    All is imperfectly perfect as it is.

    I can’t help but write, it’s what I do.

    I’m not doing it consciously.

    I don’t know what consciousness is so I can’t say either way.

    I know anyone with passion and focus is playing out a part in a story.

    My part is clouds.


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    Post by Araneidae Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:14 pm

    The problem of a song,
    When the public is meant to get it wrong,
    A story told to confuse,
    Is like lighting a fuse.
    The people who think they know,
    Unfortunately believe they can sow,
    A truthful story now with a dirty crooked plow.

    Dan you talk about, a paradigm shifting fright,
    You want to debate the light, and ignore the lack of sight.
    You can sing all day long about your pretty song,
    But unless you show them how,
    You're left milking a milkless cow.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:26 pm

    When I see the sky
    It is reflected in my eye
    What I see
    Is a mirror of ME

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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:57 pm

    It's nice not having anything to say to anyone

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    Post by 99 Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:11 pm

    smelly wrote:When I see the sky
    It is reflected in my eye
    What I see
    Is a mirror of ME

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    What you see looking back at you in the mirror is not YOU.... it's only an illusion (including the sky that's reflecting in your eyes). You were never born and you are not living a "life" and you will never die because you are simply an illusion. IOW's, you are not real and the reason why is because LOVE, REALITY does not exist in matter.


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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:17 pm

    It's nice not having any missions

    I could never sow anything

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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:23 pm

    Araneidae wrote:The problem of a song,
    When the public is meant to get it wrong,
    A story told to confuse,
    Is like lighting a fuse.
    The people who think they know,
    Unfortunately believe they can sow,
    A truthful story now with a dirty crooked plow.

    Dan you talk about, a paradigm shifting fright,
    You want to debate the light, and ignore the lack of sight.
    You can sing all day long about your pretty song,
    But unless you show them how,
    You're left milking a milkless cow.

    Sounds pretty serious

    Hmmmm

    I wonder what this one is appearing to try and sow in Dan

    Bwahahahahaha

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:34 pm

    99 wrote:
    smelly wrote:When I see the sky
    It is reflected in my eye
    What I see
    Is a mirror of ME

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    What you see looking back at you in the mirror is not YOU.... it's only an illusion (including the sky that's reflecting in your eyes). You were never born and you are not living a "life" and you will never die because you are simply an illusion. IOW's, you are not real and the reason why is because LOVE, REALITY does not exist in matter.

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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:37 pm

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Getting goat farts in the face is the Wu Wei of the Muppet

    They are so attached to their thoughts and concepts

    So funny

    You Muppets make it too easy to have a great comedy in the story
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:55 pm

    This is a rose my fellow muppets.

    It is nothing more or less than what it is.

    https://youtu.be/NANDh-a4Cq4

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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:23 am

    No, stories cannot unteach

    Somehow the unteaching/unlearning just happens spontaneously of itself and all that remains is what is

    Utterly plain and simple

    Somehow you find yourself suddenly ready to let go

    Then there is nothing more to add and nothing more to take away

    Is this luck or grace or entanglement or polarity or what?

    I don’t know what to call it but gratitude arises out of the peace that comes

    I have nothing more to say

    Never really had anything to say anyway

    Just been howling at the moon

    It’s been fun but it does wear down and get stale

    Peace!
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    Post by hobbit Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:35 am

    Aaron wrote:No, stories cannot unteach

    Somehow the unteaching/unlearning just happens spontaneously of itself and all that remains is what is

    Utterly plain and simple

    Somehow you find yourself suddenly ready to let go

    Then there is nothing more to add and nothing more to take away

    Is this luck or grace or entanglement or polarity or what?

    I don’t know what to call it but gratitude arises out of the peace that comes

    I have nothing more to say

    Never really had anything to say anyway

    Just been howling at the moon

    It’s been fun but it does wear down and get stale

    Peace!


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    Post by Cuan Scott Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:19 am

    hobbit wrote:

    http://jungcurrents.com/jung-solitude-healing-silence



    hobbit

    Thanks for this Hobbit

    Just read the story of the Orphan Stone..


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:28 am

    The futility of words.

    Silly things.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:57 am

    Just love stories Smelly..

    Don't you love stories? Smile



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:11 am

    I feel we are more addicted to our stories, than love them, due to endorphin kicks.

    Solitude is more enjoyable to me than constant change.

    My story happens.

    I don’t tune into it much these days.

    I’m clouds when I’m not in my story.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:03 am

    Quantum Monism Could Save the Soul of Physics
    The multiverse may be an artifact of a deeper reality that is comprehensible and unique

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/quantum-monism-could-save-the-soul-of-physics/


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:28 pm

    It is interesting that some mystic folks have apparently helped physicists in their research.

    We may yet come to a meeting of heart and mind.

    I can’t name or find a soul, so I can’t talk about that.

    I don’t know what consciousness is.

    But mind will insist it is primary I suspect, it’s nature.

    Materialists are morons.

    Totally befooled by appearances.

    All as One is closer to my awareness and experience than any material or psychic God.

    Thought could be seen as God, a false one.

    We do idolize thinking.

    It’s too easy for us to try to explain One with a theory.

    It can’t be contained like that.

    My experience of All is One is local, I can’t extrapolate these experiences.

    I have no names or thoughts about it or theories.

    None will be found in any book or word.

    But it’s fun to compare our experiences.

    Any words about it aren’t true.

    Comprehending is not done by thought wholly.

    Any god born of word is just a god made of words.

    Paper tigers.

    You could say, and the saying would not be true, that Zen aims at a perfection of personhood through the acceptance of the imperfect as perfectly acceptable.

    Wabi Sabi

    This is where I ended up asking who am I and striping all away I could.

    The I writing these words does so spontaneously, I claim no ownership.

    I send them into the sky not knowing what it means or where they land.

    If we are not speaking from our experience and awareness, we are lying.

    We can’t use thought as our foundation, or logic, or the rational.

    Mind is just a tool, a platform.

    Just my considered and very wise opinion.

    A poetic extrapolation...

    Oneness can be illustrated by the ocean with its ever-changing waves.  In other words, the simple element of water can become waves which are never the same—yet which are fundamentally only water.  Waves, I would add, are accidents, that is, they are not essential to the nature of water.  Only the water is real.  All else is empty and illusory.

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    Happy accidental life ;$

    Bark bark bark

    The waves will wash all I ever was away...

    It was just a smelly mess, bye bye.

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