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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:58 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    ............
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    Post by dan Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:52 pm

    What comes between smelly and me is the psychedelic plant.  

    His spiritual journey has nothing to do with people..... it is only about plants.  That is from whence his inspiration comes.  

    Let’s reflect on this.........

    smelly has fallen in love..... been mesmerized by the reflection of himself in plants.  

    What doesn’t quite compute is his compulsion to keep telling us about the void within himself? If I were his therapist, I would be more than a little concerned. I’m not, but still......


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:58 pm

    It's a pretty damn good show

    Wink

    Did you ever walk out of the movies and say the movie is the movie?

    No, you say that was a good movie

    It's good because the good guy always wins

    We like happy endings and happy endings are good
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    Post by U Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:27 pm

    Oh to be caught between the lovers quarrel, the tale as old as time a Gemini at heart and of mind...

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Baal-ancient-deity



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    Post by dan Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:39 pm

    Aaron,

    Evidently, smelly has lost his understanding of movies.  

    He takes pride in his total lack of understanding.  

    I’m not smelly’s therapist.  I don’t wish to be.  

    Nonetheless, I don’t see that his participation here is of benefit to his stability, or to his ability to relate to others.  

    Perhaps we should encourage him to not spend so much time here.  

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:18 pm

    It’s not plants Dan, they just gave me a bridge to the sky.

    I had to accept it and walk off the cliff the fool.

    I can’t explain it.

    I’ve tried to no end.

    I only write to my self.

    You must not be it.

    I do this.

    This is what I do.

    Shrug.

    I’m a lucky man.

    I come here to offer my Disclosure to the black hole-darkness eating a Star.

    Right now, some —null— you can’t understand, I’m being consumed.

    You and all others are irrelevant to what I vibrate.

    What comes out of me vibrates into the black hole.

    You haven’t understood me Dan, who fucking cares Wink

    I wrote a long poem to my self right here wackadoo.

    It’s fucking glorious!

    ...

    God is a flasher
    A pervert
    You seen em
    Down on 5th and J

    ...

    “O ye gods of the West, O ye gods of the East, O ye gods of the South, O ye gods of the North, ye four groups who embrace the holy lands, devote ye yourselves to Osiris when he appeareth in heaven.

    He shall sail into the Sky, with his son Horus by his fingers. He shall announce him, he shall make him rise up like the Great God in the Sky. They shall cry out concerning Unas: Behold Horus, the son of Osiris! Behold Unas, the firstborn son of Hathor! Behold the seed of Keb! Osiris hath commanded that Unas shall rise as a second Horus, and these Four Spirit-souls in Anu have written an edict to the two great gods in the Sky.”

    -Section from the pyramid texts of Egyptian king Unas, dated to the 24th century BC. Budge translation, via Project Gutenberg.



    Oh...

    I do know where God lives Wink

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    Post by dan Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:02 am

    Obviously smelly must have a soft spot in his heart for chicken little.  

    My only concern for smelly is selfish...... I don’t want additional blood on my hands....... Vegas was enough for this time around.  

    smelly must realize how suicidal he sounds.  I try to think of it as a riff off the BPW.  

    On an abstract level, I understand smelly.  It’s on the personal level that I have a problem.  And I can worry about Marissa, if I want.  

    Another practical problem at hand is about Laughlin that is coming up. Ron and I have vacillated on whether Kevin should go...... and that would have a bearing on my going.  

    Kevin and I would likely be at cross purposes concerning Joe’s public persona.  I’m about Brazil, and he’s about the Lab. They don’t mix too well, not at this juncture, not with potential investors. I’m not quite sure if I’m following Foot’s lead on this or not.

    Then there is free will.........

    Free will is liable to be expressed under the guise of the collective...... just don’t ask me how. We do, allegedly, see the BPW, and we are the coCreators, if we are anything..... so, go figure.

    The BPW is, then, more like a camel....... designed by a committee.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:36 am

    You have to be suicidal I guess to kill your self or stupid.

    I did suggest, after her prompt, we could all just leave now together via my .45.

    She laughed, no silly, we won’t take the easy we out.

    Ha

    You don’t have any problems Dan.

    When are you gonna learn, sigh Wink

    I’m quite looking forward to death.

    Everything changes and nothing changes.

    One day nature will finish the job.

    I am not sad or depressed Dan.

    Personal and BPW are concepts.

    Drop em, every thought.

    But thanks for caring.

    Sharing is caring.

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    Transcend every thing and not
    thing with doing not-doing.
    Move across heaven and
    earth like a solitary, silent lion.

    Meow


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    Post by painterdoug Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:39 am

    goat , thou we may joust, I like you and care about you too! Smile Smile Smile Smile dougiepoo
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:53 am

    Dan, you must have never swallowed Jesus’ prompt to kill your self.

    That was his entire pointless point.

    You don’t talk like a real Jesus freak, I used to be one.

    I even went to concerts and have a T-shirt to prove it.

    It’s a mystery, cause you are gonna die anyway.

    Whatever did he mean I wonder Wink
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    Post by whoknows Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:23 am

    Seems a whole lot of evangelical baggage being borne like ghost riders on the backs of the well meaning, spreading what was at once forsaken.

    Been there done that myself, don't want a rerun, no matter the guise.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:39 am

    No distinctions or judgements needed

    Smelly is totally free and at peace

    Or at least he appears to be

    All appearances are actually

    All that is real is free and at peace

    Straight on
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:20 am



    The landslide brings us back down to what is real

    Smelly boxed up all his books and so did I

    There is only what is
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:31 am

    Whoknows is just an arrogant judgmental pretending prik.

    World is full of those.

    He knows it.

    It’s why he hides.

    Instead of being real, he does this Wink

    He’s funny.

    Go change your depends grumpy or have some coffee.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:05 am

    Dan, everything we say is an abstraction.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:09 pm

    The appearances are the dreams/thoughts of the Queen Bee

    I am the eyes through which she sees

    If I am lost in thoughts I am not present with what is real

    The appearances are all that is real, these are her thoughts/dreams

    Dropping all concepts I am instantly in union with her, alone with the alone

    This is the union of her dreams/thoughts with the appearances through this body's eyes

    I am her dream

    I am her drone

    Alone with the alone

    I am the only begotten of the Mother

    Now I vanished into the appearances to be alone with her

    Peace!
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:30 pm

    Dropping everything, alone and naked I am enough.

    Alone with the Alone

    Alone with the appearance

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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:36 pm

    Sentimental Zen Muppet Happens
    Wink

    Haha!
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:35 pm



    Thought and appearance playing a cosmic game of hide and seek

    The appearance is the meaning

    The appearance is the thoughts in their purest form

    Back to you

    Back to the appearances

    Back to the real and eternal

    We are not our thoughts or ego, but they are fun gardening tools

    Back to the Queen Bee
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:21 pm

    Damn the Earth is beautiful, ain't she?



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:51 pm

    Yes, Everything we say is an abstration
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    Post by painterdoug Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:11 pm

    Aaron/  do you think animals have an aesthetic?  Do they see a sunset as beautiful or not?  decorator crabs make distinct choices how to decorate their outer shell.  many birds and animals make choices .  
    Why is something beautiful ?



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:25 pm

    I have no idea about any other's experience or what an animal experiences, but I am not separate from anything

    I can only speak for the experiences through this set of eyes
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:27 pm

    Personalism is an essential abstraction necessary for the MoAPS abstraction

    Panentheism can be a useful abstraction until isnt

    Monism can also be a useful abstraction until it isnt

    The concept of 'Cocreators' can be dropped when you drop the illusion of time because I Am can only be experienced by one set of eyes at a time

    It is obvious Now Now Now what is

    In logos I make the illusion of many abstractions and distinctions from what is where really there are none

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