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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:40 am

    Smelly is nothing but a dumb bleating goat boy

    Just a fart in the wind

    There is nothing special about Smelly and he will never do anything important in his entire life.

    The end


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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:41 am

    hobbit wrote:
    99 wrote:
    Dan wrote:"99, 
    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus." 


    Since he has declared that National Security thing... I bet he'll start forcing all troops and security guards at the border to learn and speak German for that extra-scary effect.


    Are You suggesting that Your president may be herr Von Trump?

    To My strange senses He is the one chance We all have.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:35 am

    Aaron wrote:Smelly is nothing but a dumb bleating goat boy

    Just a fart in the wind

    There is nothing special about Smelly and he will never do anything important in his entire life.

    The end



    True.

    I am nothing and we are only apprently here, so all is accomplished.

    But in the apparent show, I’ll always beat your ass into the dirt zen muppet.

    Just stop on by anytime you want your thoughts beat out of your muppet head.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:46 am

    I win
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:05 pm

    RunningBull wrote:By the way, the reason I'm asking is because I've had several trippy dreams and visions about South America. There's something particularly important about that place that I can't put my finger on.

    Thought is having fun with this one.

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    Post by dan Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:24 pm

    Joe had big expectations for his excursion.  And it may well have been an historical one, but it just didn’t turn out quite the way he expected.  We are glad to have Joe back home, safe and sound.  Kevin deserves much credit for this favorable outcome.  Joe will think twice before entering his next portal.  

    Two artifacts were mentioned in connection with his excursion.........

    One was passed down from his great grandfather, and was related to the founding of the Church, and which was instrumental in the initiation.  The other was retrieved in transit, and presumably remains in Brazil.  

    I have been given no information about any follow up to the journey.  However, the Princess has mentioned four additional locations to which we might venture.

    It is important to note that Joe’s transit was presumably in physical form.  Previous transits to the other side have been non physical, to my understanding.  

    Folks at TTSA are still talking about the release of some anomalous material.

    Kevin, prior to these recent events was talking about a news release concerning the anomalous behavior of Joe’s device.
    ...........


    3ft(gmt-5).........

    Yes, this must be hell, being consigned to a world where everything has a point.  How do we get out of here, smelly?  

    This pointed problem is rather generic with regard to any sort of monism. Would it be possible for God to invoke pluralism? I am doubtful. Could two Creators exist independently, with a random overlap of their creations?

    Could two persons not exist independently?

    According to my understanding, the first person emerged quasi spontaneously, independently of any consideration of any time or space. Time and space are inconceivable, independent of personhood.

    The potential for personhood is the only conceivable existence.

    If there is the potential for one person, could there not be the potential for another person?

    Yes, of course, but not independent of the primordial person.

    But the BPW is finite. There is lots of room for other finite worlds.

    But any such world is necessarily embedded within a cosmic love..... a love which can know no bounds. Can there be another cosmic love?

    It was essential to Leibniz genius that he recognized the Principle of the Identity of Indiscernibles. Very sorry, smelly, there can only be one cosmic love.



    (cont.......)


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    dan wrote:Joe had big expectations for his excursion.  And it may well have been an historical one, but it just didn’t turn out quite the way he expected.  We are glad to have Joe back home, safe and sound.  Kevin deserves much credit for this favorable outcome.  Joe will think twice before entering his next portal.  

    Two artifacts were mentioned in connection with his excursion.........

    One was passed down from his great grandfather, and was related to the founding of the Church, and which was instrumental in the initiation.  The other was retrieved in transit, and presumably remains in Brazil.  

    I have been given no information about any follow up to the journey.  However, the Princess has mentioned four additional locations to which we might venture.

    It is important to note that Joe’s transit was presumably in physical form.  Previous transits to the other side have been non physical, to my understanding.  


    (cont.......)

    I had a chocolate muffin for breakfast.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:37 pm

    dan wrote:


    3ft(gmt-5).........

    Yes, this must be hell, being consigned to a world where everything has a point.  How do we get out of here, smelly?  



    (cont.......)

    Ride the wave

    Surfs up Dude

    There is nothing you can do to escape anything

    You could never surf like this if you try

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    Post by dan Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:46 pm

    Yes, Aaron,

    We’re all, necessarily, riding on the same cosmic wave of love.  smelly must hate it.  Every atom is caught up in that same wave.  No atom can swerve in the Void........ not even the smelly atom.  

    Every atom is headed toward the event horizon of the Monad....... even the smelly one.  

    That is the whole point, smelly.  

    And, in the End, there is only one point. That is our Point of Destiny.

    That is the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom is within.

    Lais knows this, and we never exchanged a word of english.

    We just have to stop trying to forget.



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    Post by U Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:11 pm

    Aaron wrote:
    hobbit wrote:
    99 wrote:
    Dan wrote:"99, 
    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus." 


    Since he has declared that National Security thing... I bet he'll start forcing all troops and security guards at the border to learn and speak German for that extra-scary effect.


    Are You suggesting that Your president may be herr Von Trump?

    To My strange senses He is the one chance We all have.

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    Post by SurfBum Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:29 pm

    Rep,

    Our hybrid reptilian baby hatched the other day, I forgot to tell you.

    It popped out of its egg and said “welcome to the land before time”.

    Then I picked up the little bastard and bit his head off.

    His decapitated body makes a great throw rug in my living room.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:50 pm

    dan wrote:Joe had big expectations for his excursion.  And it may well have been an historical one, but it just didn’t turn out quite the way he expected.  We are glad to have Joe back home, safe and sound.  Kevin deserves much credit for this favorable outcome.  Joe will think twice before entering his next portal.  

    Two artifacts were mentioned in connection with his excursion.........

    One was passed down from his great grandfather, and was related to the founding of the Church, and which was instrumental in the initiation.  The other was retrieved in transit, and presumably remains in Brazil.  

    I have been given no information about any follow up to the journey.  However, the Princess has mentioned four additional locations to which we might venture.

    It is important to note that Joe’s transit was presumably in physical form.  Previous transits to the other side have been non physical, to my understanding.  

    Folks at TTSA are still talking about the release of some anomalous material.

    Kevin, prior to these recent events was talking about a news release concerning the anomalous behavior of Joe’s device.
    ...........


    3ft(gmt-5).........

    Yes, this must be hell, being consigned to a world where everything has a point.  How do we get out of here, smelly?  

    This pointed problem is rather generic with regard to any sort of monism.  Would it be possible for God to invoke pluralism?  I am doubtful.  Could two Creators exist independently, with a random overlap of their creations?  

    Could two persons not exist independently?  

    According to my understanding, the first person emerged quasi spontaneously, independently of any consideration of any time or space.  Time and space are inconceivable, independent of personhood.  

    The potential for personhood is the only conceivable existence.  

    If there is the potential for one person, could there not be the potential for another person?  

    Yes, of course, but not independent of the primordial person.  

    But the BPW is finite.  There is lots of room for other finite worlds.  

    But any such world is necessarily embedded within a cosmic love..... a love which can know no bounds.  Can there be another cosmic love?  

    It was essential to Leibniz genius that he recognized the Principle of the Identity of Indiscernibles.  Very sorry, smelly, there can only be one cosmic love.  


    (cont.......)

    Dan, if you don’t understand me, then perfect, I’m on bullseye without trying.

    Leibniz and you are cosmic talking nonsensical monkeys.

    You can’t see the nature of thought because you partake in thought.

    Watch them.

    We should never agree nor will you ever understand or know.

    It is your nature to blather on about nothing.

    Everything ever written is false, everything thought, uselesss.

    Why won’t you let me remain in my empty state?

    You can’t fill me with anything.

    Does that annoy you?

    I claim no knowledge or mystic action.

    It is what it is.

    I am boundless and will never be described or contained by any monkey mind I assure you.

    You keep barking.

    I’ll keep bleating.

    It should work out.

    I don’t have a target so I’m always at the bullseye.

    It is all beyond thought and the biggest realization for an apparent human.
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    Post by hobbit Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:01 pm

    Aaron wrote:
    dan wrote:


    3ft(gmt-5).........

    Yes, this must be hell, being consigned to a world where everything has a point.  How do we get out of here, smelly?  



    (cont.......)

    Ride the wave

    Surfs up Dude

    There is nothing you can do to escape anything

    You could never surf like this if you try


    Hobbits can, Very close family member.



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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:05 pm

    The Discloser may have a point. As he reached for his hat, he flexed his joint. The Traveler was not in physical form, and that has always been the norm. Arriving back in homeworld it seems, the form resumes along the memes. Queso comes and Queso goes, as plainly as the wind blows.
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    Post by @awestruckt Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm

    How’s about another G2M so Doug can interview the big cheese about his recent excursion? Oh boy!
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:05 am

    It does appear that we do not have a consistent account of Joe’s and Doug’s sojourn to Brazil.  

    And a new element has been introduced...... the meme......

    In association with the form, we also have the meme.


    10:40(ft/gmt-3)...........

    The author of Foot’s post, last evening, was someone known to Foot, but not to me.  

    The reaching for my hat refers to one of one of three falls I had in Brazil.  Foot will inquire further as to the meaning of the post.  Meanwhile, I’ll feel free to speculate.......

    Doug, Kevin, the policia, and the four of us, were lending substance/memes to Joe’s apparition in Brazil, which, otherwise, would have had no more substance than Doug’s apparition to Kashmir, by the pool.  

    All of us are really just walking memes.  

    We are also walking actuators.......

    The actuator part refers more to our active/creative soul...... our reflection of the Monad.  Our mimetic part is our walking zombiehood, created/maintained by our social/interpersonal context.  

    I have been told that Aliyah can ‘travel’ while still functioning here as an embodied being.  The subtle difference might only be observable to Kashmir.  

    The mimetic aspect can be established in other realms and locations.  

    This formulation is conducive to the notion of solipsism, certainly.  

    Maybe I should compare notes with Doug.  

    Falling is a form of dislocation.  Older folks have to be especially careful.  

    Just as there is no such thing as an atom, there is no such thing as an isolated individual.  There are no solitons.  In physics, a soliton is a many-body/collective phenomenon.  

    It has already been noted that a few in the church are aware of the recent sojourn, I’ve been told.  I wonder how Joe manages to fit it in to his big world cosmology.  

    I suspect that mostly we wish not to consider such sojourns, because they tend to remind us of our tenuous grip on reality.  

    We don’t like to be reminded that our tenuous grip on reality is interpersonal and not personal.  This social essence of our existence is underscored by the ‘entanglement’ associated with portals.  


    12:45...........

    An important point that may need recalibration are the issues related to resources.........

    It seems that folks are still lined up to get back in........ to have another go.  

    I’d better check again on the global fertility........

    The secular fertility decline has stagnated at near the replacement level, with the historical momentum still driving the population up.  

    How will public access to portals affect the future population?

    The BPW model anticipates a population decline back to an apocryphal 144 million leaving at the Omega (the end of the Millennium), and 144 thousand returning at the Alpha.  This minimal discontinuity is referred to as the spark gap.  

    There would also be perhaps a million of us remaining off the grid.  

    Dimensional doorways would have very little direct impact on the population.  Folks would not be lining up at the exits.  Rather, we would come to understand our roles relative to the Monad, in the context of the best possible world.  Our task then is to wind down our mission....... much as smelly is already doing here.  

    We might well be asking what mission required the presence of nearly 10^10 of us......?


    2:45..........

    We come back to the perennial question of why is there something, rather than nothing.......?

    And, if there is going to be something, what is the best possible something? Hopefully, the best possible something is better than nothing, but this will certainly not always be the case....... not for everyone....... not all the time.

    (cont........)


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    Post by Cuan Scott Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:47 am

    Thanks for this Dan

    I sense I get the point

    'To see the world in a grain of sand...'

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:31 am

    To each his own.

    Dan’s accounts don’t really register here.

    There is no interpersonal and personal.

    There is simply what apparently appears.

    Everyone has a different movie playing.
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    Let it go
    Let it flow
    You have no control

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    Post by hobbit Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:22 am

    The MEME.


    Perhaps?
    Your 144000 is the required amount to enable a MEME to become actual?


    This is imho Your responsibility to enable this to occur.


    Everything in creation begins with a thought, therefore spread the thought.


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    Nothing is ever created or destroyed.

    The number 144 is insignificant
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    Post by hobbit Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:11 pm

    Aaron wrote:Nothing is ever created or destroyed.

    The number 144 is insignificant

    I realise YOU may BELIEVE You are the son of god, but as I don't have any BELIEF any god exists or ever has, YOU are insignificant .

    Everything is created and Fibonacci is central, that includes YOU , someday YOU may recognise this and then...……
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6dsMeABpU


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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:29 pm

    Ha!

    Funny Hobbit.

    I don't know a thing about any son of God.

    I don't know a thing about God

    Yes I am insignificant

    Fibonacci is fun


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