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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:58 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by 99 Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:58 pm

    Superb Hallelujah version par le Mormon Tabernacle Choir!


    Dan wrote:The author of Foot’s post, last evening, was someone known to Foot, but not to me.  

    Oh really?.... hmmm Let's just say I'm not surprised.
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:26 pm

    hobbit,

    Do keep in mind that Creation is eternal.  There is no particular thought or thinking that is required to jumpstart Creation.  

    There is only the primordial......  ‘we are’.  
    ..........


    I had a conversation with a quasi independent witness to the recent events.  

    Discussion focused on Joe’s ‘physical’ state in Brazil.  Long story, short....... we can have other kinds of bodies....... spirit bodies, if you will...... consult your bible, etc.......

    Interactions with the policia were discussed. One problem was that weight corrections were not made. Not sure how this might apply to a spirit body......... go figure.

    Joe landed in a field, instead of the designated location. The brass band did not show up and Joe Queso became belligerent with the gendarmes.

    The time elements of the two stories may not cohere too well, but I guess it’s good enough for gummint work. The other witness may have been involved in the delivery of a ‘paper’.

    Things are back to an accelerated pace on the device at the Lake. Mathematicians have been called in.

    Joe is a bit more amenable to some of the small world concepts. The beings that come through the doorway are really just our own folks, etc........



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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:34 pm

    All we have is apparent bodies
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:49 pm

    Aaron,

    This is true. Sometimes it’s harder than other times to save those appearances.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:00 pm

    The appearances are absolutely necessary

    There is no separation between what appears and what does not

    Also, there is no separation between logos and the unknowable boundless.

    No separation between the personal/interpersonal, and the impersonal.
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:19 pm

    Aaron,

    The unknowable boundless ........

    Modern man embraces the Apeireon...... something that was abhorred by the Greeks.

    The only thing truly boundless is love. Love is a mystery....... true that.

    No God......... no Source......? Tell us about No Source. What color are her eyes?
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:44 pm

    To say there is a source would imply duality.

    A source of what?

    When did source become the source?

    Source is a yucky word

    God is a yucky word
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:48 pm

    I agree with Zen muppet Aaron Wink

    Bahahaha

    Tell us about your dualistic and imposible God Dan.

    I can 100% guarantee, any claimed God in appearance is an empty illusion.

    All words are mostly yucky in how talking monkeys know how to use them.

    Some of us have much better words, because they aren't describing idols, they vibrate from nothing spontaneously.

    If I was a stupid talking dualistic monkey who hasn't a clue about life or how to live it, I would listen to these oracles and go inside my self.

    Learn the difference if you like or don't, be ignorant, who cares Wink

    There is no source to speak of, there is what is.

    No more distinction is possible Dan unless you want to and acknowledge you can only speak dualistically about what is.

    We have to be dualistic to live as an appearance, I'm not denying the obvious, nor do I have any thought or emotion about it myself left, but anything more to say about it is opinion, there are no facts nor could there be, nothing objective.

    It is all subjective.

    I only appear and disappear as part of a process, we can call it dreaming.

    This is the I AM dream where you get to act dualistically.

    Even Awareness and Consciousness we can speak of is only an appearance.

    I am only an apparent dualistic monkey mind, now lucid.

    You can become lucid in this dream.

    You are lucid or your aren't.

    I in fact think it's better maybe not to be lucid for the average talking apparent monkey.

    Did you read that Dan, we don't all need to know we don't know shit, but some of us know all our words are only shit.

    I have all sorts of personal apparent evidence to know there is something appearances appear in that also communicates, but I can't say anything about those communications that makes sense.

    But ANYTHING any talking monkey can know can ONLY be about the appearances.

    This is your realm Dan, you will disappear from it shortly.

    Have a nice trip to nowhere Wink

    I have counted that cost, I am not angry about it, I embrace my death every day, do you?

    I automatically live thoughtless in the appearance, it can be done and it's kinda awesome sauce. That's a carrot, not a brag.

    I don't brag, no one is here who could brag about any thing other than appearances.

    I have confused many trying to describe it with words, including my self.

    But there is no one here that could be confused and thus, no confusion here.

    It's as clear as night and day to the relaxed talking thinking monkey.

    You must be brutal with yourself and others if you want to make words about what is.

    You are doing no one any favors pulling punches.

    I fucking speak of the raw what is.

    Nothing more or less.

    It's so obvious it's funny, riotously funny.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:16 pm

    Hobbit is right about Fibonacci.

    Fibonacci is fundamental to what is appearing and not appearing in duality non-duality

    Fibonacci is all there is

    Whoa!

    Ride the spiral

    Keep going

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:38 pm

    Best not to think
    Let go and let it flow
    Acting out of mutual self interest
    Life is pretty sweet and relaxed
    If you are not relaxed and slack
    You are one confused monkey
    The BPW or Fibonacci is not needed
    To live in a dream
    You aren’t going to escape it
    It’s pretty and all
    For me, if it isn’t relevant now
    Fuck it, chuck it
    Do as you like
    Who cares





    Bim bim bim
    Your words should be power
    Pure fucking juice
    And then die
    And be squeezed of
    Every last drop of being
    Don’t you turn way
    You don’t dare turn away
    You stare that fucker in the face
    As it drains your precious being
    From your shell of mud
    Does that seem fair
    Fuck fair
    I welcomed my death
    Bring it bitch I foolishly bellowed
    I gave Daath a steely stare
    I didn’t blink
    I blew the smoke
    From my last toke
    And I laughed at that bitch
    Take what you want
    I shouted and raved
    Take it all
    It was never mine
    Though I did abide my time
    With skill and ease in the end
    It hurt to go
    It hurt to know
    I can’t lie
    It sucked
    To let all my dreams die
    Then I simply flowed
    Like water into
    The Great Unknown

    ...

    It just occurred to me to offer my words and art to death and life as a burnt offering. If an honest muppet is to have a religion, it could only be life and death, for that’s all any of us will know and we all are worshipping at their altar by breathing and dying.

    I for one take great joy in knowing all you talking monkeys will have to shut the fuck up forever, just like mez.

    Bahahahahahaha
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:17 pm

    Agreed, if it isn't relevant now then Chuck it

    however, you are a sum of two previous inputs, your Mom and Dad, you can't Chuck that even if you try. You have no free will so everything that you experience is predetermined by a Fibonacci sequence of events from two inputs creating the next output.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:38 am

    Aaron,

    Your physical vehicle is the product of Your parents, not the driver of the vehicle.

    You the driver chose the vehicle, just as You would by going into a car showroom, I chose a small hairy vehicle.

    I have left this vehicle to view other places and times.
    I had had very comical conversations with both My vehicle and My 5D eternal.

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    Post by dan Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:32 am

    How the Lilliputians do rant........

    How can there be a monist theist......?  Very easy, my friends, just try panentheism + personalism.  

    Creation was basically bootstrapped by Jesus, with us creatures constituting the bootstrap.   The cosmic glue is simply love.  

    Each one of us is a reflection of the Monad....... as through a prism.  We creatures/co-creators are the rainbow coalition.  Jesus is the bullseye.  Me.......? I’m just the spirit of truth.  

    I had a lengthy conversation with Joe Queso, last evening........

    He is struggling to make sense of his recent adventure......

    He is struggling with the small world.  

    Doug is supposed to call me, today.  I’m quite prepared for him to continue to deny everything.  It may be necessary for his professional existence.  

    Kevin was not aware of Doug’s involvement, but it would explain how he came into possession of a particular document, essential to Joe’s release.  I gather that Joe could have left at any time.  He just didn’t feel up to it.  

    Basically, Joe feels embarrassed by the incident.  He compares it to his incarceration for a DUI in 2008.  As I understand the somewhat garbled retelling, Joe was apprehended in a field near the Park on Monday.  He was without medical care until we arrived in Itacrarambia, Thursday evening.  

    It was at that point that some combination of Phillipe, Kevin and Ron arranged for his medical care, without our direct intervention.  The first attempted direct intervention came with my 5am visit with Sgt Santos Lopes, the following morning, and then with Kevin’s visit the following Monday, at which time Joe Queso was released into Kevin’s custody.  

    When you go to the wishing well, be careful what you wish for.  And make sure that your handler has the correct weight and balance.  How much does a spirit body weigh, we’d like to know?

    Joe is back on the job, fine tuning version 1.0, for private demonstrations in the next couple of weeks....... having put Brazil rather firmly in his rear view mirror.  


    1:10..........

    It was not a surprise to hear that Doug recalls no visit to Brazil, although he did have some strange dreams in the time frame of our trip.  

    Doug appears to be serving as the consigliere between our group and the Puthoff group, which might include Diane Pasulka, for instance.  She has a new book out..... American Cosmic.  

    He also pointed to the latest in the Nimitz story...... https://skeptiko.com/kevin-day-navy-ufo-contact-after-effects-403/ The Foot team remains skeptical on Nimitz, particularly on Frevor and Day.  



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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:16 am

    Hobbit.

    I am not the driver of the vehicle

    The driver being separate from the vehicle is illusory
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:50 am

    It seems to me, the best move at a wishing well, is not to make a wish.

    Muppets make wishes.

    Dudes abide.

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    Post by hobbit Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:35 am

    "Wells"

    Are where water is FALLING towards the surface.

    A duality of spin exists where the ratio of implosion over outrush is 55/34.

    You locate the well where the 34 spiral outrush exists.

    The snow moon last night will have had the water levels rising, not because of any non existent gravity, but due to the field of the moon locally altering the ratio of implosion over outrush as it passed overhead.

    The moon is the best clue into what is there to be detected, and the locations of past megalithic sites where massive insulation was created and further insulated with alternate layerings of organic and inorganic materials ( think reich accumulator)
    http://whale.to/b/reich1.html





    Then the shaman could trip about time and place..

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:41 am

    True

    The wish is no wish

    There is no need for any megalithic structure to trip about time and space
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:51 am

    Getting warmer.

    https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/a-different-kind-of-theory-of-everything

    The way they do physics is how I became lucid.

    Path of least resistance.

    This is how the universe works.

    This is a very simple recurring process that only has the illusion of complexity.


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    Post by whoknows Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:04 am

    Old ideas.



    Certainly nothing to get hung about.

    Free your self from what you think you see and sense.



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    Post by U Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:06 am

    "Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."
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    Post by painterdoug Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:09 am

    I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on. We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas . Beautiful soul
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:14 am

    Reptile wrote:"Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."

    Fuck the Lord.

    He can come down here and lick my goat scroat.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:16 am

    painterdoug wrote:I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on.  We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas  .  Beautiful soul  

    He was just ordinary fart in the wind like you and I.

    There are no such things as souls.

    Sentimental muppet.
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    Post by whoknows Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:17 am

    painterdoug wrote:I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on.  We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas  .  Beautiful soul  

    Saw him live a couple of times. Been a devoted listener since 67. Beautiful soul for sure.

    He and Janice were much alike.. Maybe-



    Some give all they have every time. Can give a new perspective.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:23 am

    whoknows wrote:Old ideas.



    Certainly nothing to get hung about.

    Free your self from what you think you see and sense.




    You are an old idea Wink

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