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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:58 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    ............
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:04 am

    Foot Mann wrote:The Discloser returned with a bang, rattling cages where Queso sang. Off he drove in a stolen car, but this time not to the nearest bar. While others scampered in dark to complete the mission, the Discloser set off with a different vision. Two weeks he spent in the heat of the jungle, while those nearby were forced to mumble. With Queso safe home, POJG could finally rest, so for 40 minutes he put the Doscloser to test. From beginning to end he regaled of the mission, signed off as the Best Possible Vision. Three time the Discloser fell from his feet, not once landing upon his seat. With blood and bruises as proof of his fall, the Discloser finally could stand tall. The World has changed, it was all arranged, so small it seems, just a simple round LOL ball.

    That is pure Wetiko virus right here muppets.

    Pay attention to your handlers.

    They are moronic talking monkeys.

    You would listen to them over your heart?

    Only the virus in you cares about the virus in them.

    I know my words won’t matter, but I let them bark out anyway.

    Bark bark bark

    ...

    I do not know life or love at all.

    I only recall life’s illusion.

    I’m just an apparent walking cosmic orgasm.

    Bark bark bark



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:41 pm

    Your hatred is perfect
    Like a shining diamond
    You don’t know love
    You don’t know life
    Your memories are illusions
    Dive into your pain and hatred
    Let it consume your soul finally
    Let it consume the world
    Like the dancing fire of love

    As far as we know
    We appear and depart
    And no one knows why
    There is only what is
    Don’t fool yourself
    Or fool yourself and laugh
    You are walking toward death

    Amor Fati

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:05 pm

    Shut down all systems...

    Delete the core



    An empty space is fully illuminated and casts no shadows.

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    Post by dan Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:14 pm

    This wetiko virus is just materialism, which has so infected the modern mind.

    smelly rails against the extirpation of this virus, as if he were the virus itself. Perhaps he is.

    Thought got us into materialism. Only thought may now extract us. smelly rails against thought..... no wonder. He sees his own oblivion in thought. The know nothings abhor change. But change there is.

    Only the interpersonal truth can obliterate the ego, something which centuries of materialism have constructed.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:52 pm

    dan wrote:This wetiko virus is just materialism, which has so infected the modern mind.  

    smelly rails against the extirpation of this virus, as if he were the virus itself.  Perhaps he is.  

    Thought got us into materialism.  Only thought may now extract us.  smelly rails against thought..... no wonder.  He sees his own oblivion in thought.  The know nothings abhor change.  But change there is.  

    Only the interpersonal truth can obliterate the ego, something which centuries of materialism have constructed.  

    Thought has you good Wink

    Transpersonal soul, awareness, consciousness, spirit, material, all nonsense concepts used to trap muppet minds.

    Thought is not the way out.

    There is no way out.

    There is no need or problem.

    There is only what is and lucidly seeing it with nonmind.

    It’s very very tricky.

    I can’t show you the trick or give you the instructions.

    It took a full soul reboot Wink

    Death.

    But it’s ok Dan, do what you are able to do.

    Don’t fight it.

    Relax and clear your mind.

    Let the light shine through your clear mind.

    Until it does, you are caught in the web of shadows.

    Good luck.

    Let light pass
    Through an empty mind
    And all is illuminated
    The flame casts no shadow
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:39 pm

    Dan, please go on, I won’t comment.

    I’m just a redundant barking dog.

    I’ll let you play out your script Wink

    You have to do what you have to do, you have no choice.

    "The best soldier does not attack. The superior fighter succeeds without violence. The greatest conqueror wins without struggle. The most successful manager leads without dictating. This is called intelligent nonaggressiveness. This is called mastery of men."

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    Post by 99 Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:17 am

    Oh, so Trump is a Wetiko Virus? 
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    Post by RunningBull Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:20 am

    @Dan: What were your objectives going down into South America? What did you manage to accomplish? Any details you can share?
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 am

    smelly does keep promising to let me have my thread back..........

    I like smelly.  I don’t want him to go away.  He is well read and has a keen intellect, when he chooses to use it.  

    Too often, though, he is flails, indiscriminately against language and reason........ in short, against the Logos.  


    99,

    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus.  


    RB,

    I have had no specific objectives/expectations wrt to any of my excursions with the pandolfi household.  

    I was invited on a cruise with his first family.  I decided not to go, although I had purchased airfare and bookings.  I don’t remember having gone on a cruise with the first family.  I did go on one camping trip with them to a naval station in Connecticut.  

    I have been on several cruises with the ‘royal’ family, and, at least, twice declined after having purchased tickets.  

    Expectations, on my part, have mounted over the years.  There has always been the implication that some conversations and events could better occur outside US territory.  

    Until recently, John was the more frequent cruise companion.  Kevin and John were both on the trip through Panama.  

    Aliyah first mentioned Brazil around the first of the year.  From the start, there were specific references to portals, in connection with the caves of Peruacu.   This drone workshop was cosponsored with WWF, which has a continuing presence in the Amazon region.  

    There were two fluent English speakers, one of whom had previously been an intern for KWF in the states.  The second was with the Brazilian government, under contract with WWF, and previously known to Ron.  

    Several weeks prior, there was mention that both Joe and Doug would be joining us. I had always figured that Joe’s excursion might be unconventional, but that Doug’s would not be so.

    Statements since leaving the Park were to the effect that Joe insisted that he be allowed the honor of the first semi-official international portal excursion.




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    Post by RunningBull Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:36 am

    By the way, the reason I'm asking is because I've had several trippy dreams and visions about South America. There's something particularly important about that place that I can't put my finger on.
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    Post by RunningBull Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:22 am

    @Dan: Hm.. interesting. The most vivid thing I saw about South America was a gateway in the amazon. Old architecture was slowly falling apart. But it held a gateway within, just at the entrance, that can only be entered if you had (as smelly would love to hear) learned to quiet your ego and enter as a child and father of the All.
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    Post by whoknows Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:55 am

    smelly wrote:Joni is very close to nothing.



    It’s not easy to be pointless in the land of points.

    But I shall be pointless to the utter end!

    Run from any with a point or poop on them and then run away laughing joyfully.

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    Post by dan Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:56 am

    RB,

    smelly is right about that.  

    Prior to this excursion, Joe had had more limited outings.  

    But when he came through in Brazil, he was quite disoriented.  He soon encountered the local policia.  He was expecting VIP treatment, and became belligerent when that expectation was not met, and he ended up in the local jail.  

    Part of the problem was political......


    wk,

    Thank you for reiterating smelly’s point.........

    I’ll have to admit, I didn’t get the ‘point’, the first time around.  

    Poor smelly........

    And I see his point, maybe, finally........

    This is, indeed, the land of the points.   In the best possible world, everything has a point.  

    That must seem terribly dreary.  

    What can we do for poor smelly........ a round peg in a square hole?

    All the rest of us are pointy headed.

    smelly may be the last of the hippies, still waiting for the summer of love. Where have all the Woodstocks gone? smelly’s not even allowed to wear a flower in his hair, and he lives in San Francisco.

    All the rest of us have to spend our whole lives trying to figure out the point of our existence. smelly doesn’t want to have to play that game.

    He blames it all on me. Why did I have to create the BPW? I claim that I had no choice. Should I have created a random world just for smelly? Maybe so.


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    Post by whoknows Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:17 am

    Dan wrote:wk,

    Thank you for reiterating smelly’s point.........

    Don't think I was reiterating. I get the distinct impression that smell says there is no point.

    I may be wrong, I don't know, I don't visit as much as I used to.

    I just felt his use of that vid was a funny one to say that there was no point.

    As the movie's clear point to my mind, "that even not possessing is indeed a point."

    Sorry if I lost the thread, but what can I say, that is one of the things that makes life enjoyable. Looking for loose ends. Hmmm maybe that's a good point.... Nah LOL

    I'll retire once more..... Maybe book binding hmmmm.

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    Post by whoknows Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:22 am

    Dan wrote:He blames it all on me. Why did I have to create the BPW? I claim that I had no choice. Should I have created a random world just for smelly? Maybe so.

    Now that would be pointless. Why are we so quick to take the blame for something we clearly don't understand?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:51 am

    Dan, I’m just farting around.

    I just share my silly absurd cosmic view.

    My opinion really doesn’t count.

    Never did, never will.

    Just ignore me.

    I’m absolutely pointless.
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    Post by 99 Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:58 am

    Dan wrote:"99, 
    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus." 


    Since he has declared that National Security thing... I bet he'll start forcing all troops and security guards at the border to learn and speak German for that extra-scary effect.


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    Post by whoknows Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:02 am

    smelly wrote:Dan, I’m just farting around.

    I just share my silly absurd cosmic view.

    My opinion really doesn’t count.

    Never did, never will.

    Just ignore me.

    I’m absolutely pointless.

    Clearly a false statement.

    I know my world would be a much less colorful place without the smelly goat!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:05 am

    RunningBull wrote:By the way, the reason I'm asking is because I've had several trippy dreams and visions about South America. There's something particularly important about that place that I can't put my finger on.

    Wrong again.

    Nothing is important muppet.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:11 am

    whoknows wrote:
    smelly wrote:Dan, I’m just farting around.

    I just share my silly absurd cosmic view.

    My opinion really doesn’t count.

    Never did, never will.

    Just ignore me.

    I’m absolutely pointless.

    Clearly a false statement.

    I know my world would be a much less colorful place without the smelly goat!

    Haha, some might enjoy my smell.

    The ones that don’t are too stupid to get my joke.

    I have been pulling a fast one since I got to OMF.

    It was glorious insane fun I’ll tell you.

    I won’t ever write a book or be a public person.

    I only share my immense and powerful smell on OMF.

    I don’t care to help muppets really.

    They are stupid and annyoying with their points on all things.

    But I can act when I need to.

    I’m not a total Logos Anarchist, but I’m close.


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    Post by dan Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:11 am

    99,

    That would be scary, indeed...... boarder guards speaking German.


    wk,

    Yes, smelly’s point is that there is no point.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:17 am

    99 wrote:
    Dan wrote:"99, 
    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus." 


    Since he has declared that National Security thing... I bet he'll start forcing all troops and security guards at the border to learn and speak German for that extra-scary effect.

    Trump will do most things you expect an evil muppet to do.

    He hates the earth.

    He hates anyone winning but him.

    He is more like Nero and Caligula with his insanity.

    He is totally utterly insane chaos.

    We are all acting our parts.
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    Post by 99 Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:18 am

    wk wrote:
    I know my world would be a much less colorful place without the smelly goat!


    Ditto on that wk! Smelly's posts here, at least for me, have generated thousands of imperceptible half-chuckles, furrowed brows, contemplative grimaces and the occasional flared nostril too... and he is the only person on this planet who manages to elicit ALL of those responses simultaneously. Gotta hand it to him, he's really the cat's pajama's, that's fer sure! I agree!
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    Post by 99 Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:20 am

    Good to see that we're on the same page Smelly... at least in that regard.
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    Post by hobbit Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:32 am

    99 wrote:
    Dan wrote:"99, 
    Yes, Trump is certainly a wetiko virus." 


    Since he has declared that National Security thing... I bet he'll start forcing all troops and security guards at the border to learn and speak German for that extra-scary effect.


    Are You suggesting that Your president may be herr Von Trump?

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