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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:12 pm

    No books
    No teachers
    No dirty looks
    No goals
    No attainment
    No spirituality
    No hopes
    No fear
    No thought
    No deed
    No mission
    No point

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:13 pm

    Kill Everything In You

    When you've killed everything in you
    that might interfere with the Clear Sky (the Dark Expanse)
    light and darkness are just the same nothing.

    How could anything be different?
    It's clearly the same.
    How could anything be the same?
    It's clearly different.

    How could anyone suffer?
    Who exists to have a mind
    or to become a Buddha?
    Cure yourself of sick thinking,
    and the un-ease of life is gone.
    Gone beyond, utterly beyond,
    bo-ji so wa-ka!

    Hearing all day long you hear nothing.
    Seeing all day long you see nothing.
    Laughing you don't laugh.
    Crying you don't cry.

    You're liberated, and can live as you want
    and you don't understand the idea of "bondage"
    or getting "caught up in something."

    You're always a golden buddha.
    You're always a temple in calm starlight.
    A demon playing the bamboo flute,
    a samurai hiding in the long grass --
    whatever! you're always just THAT.

    If the darkness comes cut it down.
    If the brightness comes cut it away.
    If people come don't answer them.
    If the Clear Sky comes shatter it completely.
    If the Void ever comes, slash it with your sword.

    Destroy all thinking, let it go
    and both objects and subjects disappear.
    What's left can't even be imagined,
    so how do you expect me to give it to you?

    There isn't any one or any body left anywhere
    to experience this,
    to pretend or deny IT alone "exists"
    or to ever say a single word about anything.

    -- Dried Shit Zen - Roshi
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    Post by U Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:09 am

    We want to forget ourselves
    But thought won’t let us forget
    Playing these mind games together...

    Foreva

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:53 am

    When there are no more
    Steps to take you fall backwards

    ‘Utterly awake, senses wide open
    Utterly open, nonfixating awareness’

    You are the sky the bird flys through
    The cosmos the stars appear in

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:38 pm

    Jungian individuation and Zen Satori are both very similar.

    Do not worship or give allegiance to collective ideas or organizations.

    One must let them all go to see or you won’t.

    The way to check the fascism of monism is through individuation.

    I have no ego thought really.

    But the Self won’t be silent.

    The quieter the mind, the louder the volume.

    The dream of the self can’t be denied.

    Just playing our parts.

    The individuated apparent person is the one here.

    Can’t deny AOC, Trump was the last gasp.

    It is not the end of thought, but group thought.

    We think for ourselves as individuals to be real.

    This appears to be the message from the dream to the dreamer.

    UFOs are just the ring of the doorbell.

    As soon as one sees and individuates, one wakes up.

    But ego inflation as a savior is always a danger.

    Funny dream.

    I don’t know about no cosmic importance of anything in particular.

    Humor is the way to keep the ego deflated.

    Ego inflation though is needed when it is.

    It kind of takes care of itself if you let go.

    One needs a powerful emotion to lead them to wholeness.

    It isn’t all under our control.

    We reach but then an automatic process has to happen to float.

    The hero’s journey.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:03 pm

    “It is not I who create myself,
    rather I happen to myself.”

    —Carl Jung
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:03 pm

    Life is like a kaleidoscope
    Sometimes it’s nihilistic
    Sometimes it’s dualistic
    Sometimes it all feels like One
    You could feel all of that
    At once or nothing
    There are no answers to living
    Living it as it happens
    Is the only possible answer

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:20 pm

    I like soup
    Life is like soup
    It all mixes together
    It is never too cold
    But sometimes it’s too hot
    So you have to blow on it
    And wait until it cools off
    To eat and drink your fill
    If the flavor doesn’t suit you
    Add a little spice
    Or needed thing
    I like soup

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:02 pm

    Yes, well said by a fellow ego, a zen warrior.

    “The ego (or the “thinking mind,” if you’re having trouble wrapping your brain around the term) is like a wild, wandering animal that can and will take you along for a ride wherever it wishes to go. You judge yourself and others all the time without even knowing why or that you’re even doing it. You think about shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the direction you feel you’re going in. Your mind is a circus of mediocre entertainment, like a TV with a zillion channels that are constantly being switched without your permission. Consider for a moment the power that the mind has over you. What if you were able to train that wild animal? What if you could harness that power and use it to discover your infinite individual potential? You can. All it takes is discipline. By discipline I don’t mean trying to learn something new or chastising yourself for “not getting it.” Only the ego can do such things. This type of discipline is essentially the opposite of what the accepted definition is. This type of discipline involves learning how to not try. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not talking about becoming lazy or apathetic. Within each and every one of us is an energy that we’ve always known. We knew it before we were born and we’ll know it after we die. This is the witness. Some may call it the spirit or the soul. No matter what kinds of beauty and bullshit has filtered through our brains throughout our lives, this part of us has stayed steady and constant the whole time. It is literally where love resides. It is connected to all things and all people, and it is the source of our infinite wisdom. It cannot get hurt when we are injured, it cannot get upset when we are insulted and it cannot get hungry when we haven’t eaten. It’s never looking for approval. It is approval.

    So let your ego be. After all, it’s just doing its best. It doesn’t know any better. It will try clinging to anything and everything. Learn to watch it like you would a child. If it runs out into traffic to chase a ball, let it learn its lesson. And keep returning to your witness, your spirit, your soul. There is no better way to do this than by staying present with your breath. Don’t try to breathe in any certain way, just feel the breath filtering in and out of your body. The mind will train itself to behave when you are present with your breath in every moment.”

    I concur.

    I am always the witness.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 pm

    Right now now now you are the ever present witness

    Sometimes I put on a show for it to try to get a smile

    I think I’ve seen a smirk once or twice

    Once you have glimpsed it

    The mind will still blow like the wind

    The waves will still rise and fall

    But they can not move you

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:14 pm

    I am always the witness
    All states of mind are delusion

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:27 pm

    When you have
    Glimpsed yourself
    From the sky
    You can only sing back
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:58 am

    Nothing mystical
    Nothing unexplainable
    No plans but anything
    Could happen and does
    Oh how the merchants
    Love to bark at you
    And offer to sell you
    Any thing you desire
    They offer their
    Shiniest new thoughts
    Nothing new under the sun
    This is our old shell game
    Can you find the ball
    Ha Ha Ha
    Desire is like a fire
    It is fierce and fast
    In one roll of the dice
    A life can be consumed
    The person you are
    Will be hollowed out
    From the shell of your body
    Then what for you
    A slow painful death maybe
    That’s not fair
    You suffered and you are owed
    Such a good believer
    The future used to seem so solid
    Now it blows away like sand
    Life and death happen
    No one understands them
    But some have enjoyed them
    I am who I appear to be
    I can’t say I know anything for sure
    Or have any deep feeling about anything
    One way or another
    It’s a strange feeling to not desire
    It makes your heart race
    And palms sweat at times
    No one is special who just lives
    No dreams or hopes to speak of
    No judgement of others
    No depression or ambivalence
    No religion or special destiny
    No heaven or hell for this heathen
    No condemnation of any other
    We are all doing the best we can
    This may be the best possible world
    But who cares really or needs to know
    Things reflect in a mirror
    What is this I catch a glimpse of
    It is mind bogglingly enormous
    Sometimes it has one eye and seems purple
    Sometimes it seems like I see a black hole
    I feel the pull of gravity
    Not toward the ground
    But into the sky
    Better watch out or I might fall in
    I’m free of the confusion I carried
    For so many years
    Filled with the hopes and dreams
    And thoughts of all others
    I can still amuse my self
    But I have no answers or points
    My journey was a circle
    Now I just bark like a dog
    When I feel the itch
    Bark Bark Bark
    No family to speak of it seems
    But my girl who whirls
    I found my world with
    A girl in a swirl
    I found it in my belly button too
    Lucky I stared at it long enough
    Maybe I’ll adopt the Human family
    All of them and try my hand
    At living as a Human Being
    It seems what I appear to be
    But what if we
    Let all the names go
    How will we know then
    Who we are in the show
    I don’t seem to be able
    To find a guide book after
    I gave up on thought
    No one can show me my life
    I am not illuminated
    I am utterly empty
    But I bark more than I ever did
    Please ignore the mess
    I remember when I was a child
    I remember I use to
    Play with this monster
    But he didn’t ever eat me
    He told me I would die to a lie
    I think I began to cry
    I wasn’t afraid to die
    I was sad my life was a lie
    So I decided all things being equal
    I’ll just stay high until I die
    I don’t think anyone cares
    I used to care about things
    Then I didn’t
    Who the fuck cares
    I can change my mind
    But not what is behind
    Things change
    But through it all
    I am just a child
    Laughing and enjoying the ride

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:34 am

    Alone with
    The Alone
    Clouds

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:40 pm

    who are you
    who am i
    why are you
    why am i
    what are you
    what am i
    where are you
    where am i
    how are WE
    no more questions
    only…to be

    Hamlet, Act III, Scene I [To be, or not to be]
    William Shakespeare, 1564 - 1616

    “To be, or not to be: that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortuneIt ,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
    And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
    No more; and by a sleep to say we end
    The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
    That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
    To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause: there's the respect
    That makes calamity of so long life;
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
    The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
    The insolence of office and the spurns
    That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his quietus make
    With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?
    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
    And thus the native hue of resolution
    Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
    And enterprises of great pith and moment
    With this regard their currents turn awry,
    And lose the name of action.—Soft you now!
    The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
    Be all my sins remember'd.”

    Timely of course.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm

    “Once for each thing. Just once; no more. And we too, just once. And never again. But to have been this once, completely, even if only once: to have been at one with the earth, seems beyond undoing.”

    — Rilke - Duino Elegies
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:06 pm

    If you don’t swing
    You are resisting
    The Flip Flop of life


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:09 pm

    The smart muppet sticks to first principles.

    Be one with the muppet.

    Love the muppet.

    Electron birds
    Are flying
    In a cosmic sky
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:19 pm

    Blue electron birds
    Flying synchronized
    In a cosmic sky

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:37 am

    I love a good storm.

    That smell.

    The flash and crack of the sky!

    Send in the clowns.

    “Only those who have had visions of the thunder beings of the west can act as heyokas. They have sacred power and they share some of this with all the people, but they do it through funny actions. When a vision comes from the thunder beings of the West, it comes with terror like a thunder storm; but when the storm of vision has passed, the world is greener and happier; for wherever the truth of vision comes upon the world, it is like a rain. The world, you see, is happier after the terror of the storm.”

    — Black Elk

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:08 am

    Don’t trust
    Any of them
    Especially me
    Talk to your self
    You may meet the
    Thunder Beings
    If you do
    Kick them
    And laugh
    Then run away
    They may throw
    Lightening at you
    Then you die

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