Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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And, wait again, how does egolessnes differ from being born again.....?  

It differs only superficially.  The form may appear very different, but not the underlying cause.

Personal realization of truth.........?

I’m arriving back in Baltimore.........

Thank you, DD, that’s the way this thread is supposed to be working..... we help each other by filling in the most important missing pieces.

There are several things we need to know about the Logos...... it is One, and it is Personal.  Actually, that’s all we need to know.  

And this piece of information that I just reminded you of, is vastly more important than any and all technicalities about the operations of any given portal.  I cannot possibly empathize this sufficiently.  

I’ll warn you and everyone listening....... if you go through any portal without understanding the operation of the Logos, you might be lucky enough to live to regret it.  

There are exceptions....... the Pandolfi’s are an exception.  They transit only if on a specific mission related to Disclosure.  

They understand the operation of some special purpose portals.  They do not understand the operation of the Logos.  They do not have a need to understand the operation of the Logos.  Not yet.  

My specific task with regard to Disclosure is to explain the operation of the Logos.  

The operation of the Logos is very simple.  It operates out of love.  Love is the Alpha and Omega of the Logos, and of any and all portals.  Period.  Full stop.  

If your heart is not full of love when you access a portal, love, from the other side may enable your transit.  Period.  

In other words, you will transit a portal when you need to, and not a moment sooner.  If you think you can game the system, you may live to regret, but only so as to serve as a warning to others.  

Does that answer your question, Cy?  

Hey, Cy, you asked how portals work. That’s how. I did know that, until I answered your question. Now we all know, but that’s because we all ready knew the answer. It just hadn’t been quite so succinctly articulated. That’s the only reason why I’m here.

And how did we already know this information? It’s just because this is the best possible world, and we we all know, deep down, how it should work. No?


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Dan,

When you say that the Logos is "One," do you also affirm the unity-in-diversity that is the Trinity? In other words, yes the Logos, or the Son of God, the brightness of the Father's glory and the "exact imprint" of His nature (Hebrews 1:3), is a distinct person in the unity of the Trinity; yet there are two other persons in the Godhead - the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

This is clear, as during the Logos' incarnation and historical ministry on earth, He referred to "the Father" as a separate person who was yet one with Himself in the Godhead, and referred to the Holy Spirit (or the "comforter") in the same way as well. Do you affirm the orthodox and scriptural doctrine here?

Also, interesting side note, CS Lewis' "Space Trilogy" touches on some of these same themes. He presents knowledge of the Logos as being a universal phenomenon between planets and dimensions. It has been called his most well developed book, theologically and philosophically, though it is a work of fiction.

Do you affirm the orthodox and scriptural doctrine.......?

The short answer is..... No, I affirm no doctrine.  I affirm only the Logos that resides in everyone’s heart.  In short...... I’m a jesus freak.


2:30..........

The world is very simple. It is by us, for us and about us.

Portals have always been a crucial part of keeping the world on its best possible history track. Most of us did not need to know this, until now. Now we do. And now you know.


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Dan,

But that, in a sense, is a doctrine in-and-of itself.  No one is without a doctrine of some sort, just as no one is without a worldview.  Even the common notion that, "I do not have beliefs or a worldview, I just use method 'x' to arrive as 'truth'" - is itself a worldview and a doctrine.  For "method 'x',"  - whether it be rationalism, empiricism, or mysticism - all depend upon certain pre-cognitive beliefs (or presuppositions) about reality, in order to justify themselves as a working "tool" to arrive at the "truth" which is presumed to be "out there" to find.  To deny that such is the case is nothing but a clever slight-of-hand, which is so prevalent amongst all enlightenment and post-enlightenment philosophy.  

It seems as if you are holding to a fusion of mysticism/rationalism, when you refer to the "logos that resides in everyone's heart."  But my question to you is, what do you do with the fact that we are all clearly radically corrupt?  As one prophet put it, "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?"  Or as you said, we are bent to fall short of the love which is required of us in order to pass through into the heavenlies, or the "other dimensions" (or what not)?  The answer to our condition can't be to turn within ourselves for restoration, since 1) we are clearly the problem with ourselves, and 2) love is a turning outside of oneself toward the "other" (God and then "thy neighbor").  Is there a place for sin in your philosophy?

Place for sin.......?

Sure.  Sin resides in the darkness of our ignorance of the operation of the World.

Behold the prophesied Dawn/Revelation.

I am impressed Dan.

You sure do have the whole world in your hands.

God damn you are on it.

You can show them the way.

I know it.

They should all listen to you.

I shot my energy into this.

Crazy and confused as it always must be for me.

I am warrior who had to walk backward in life and so I have and will right to the end of me.

If the source wants to turn my channel on again, I am but a thought away.

I don’t think I have much part to play from here, but I will try to enjoy the peace and quiet I can.

No more outside contact with the world from us.

Just a nod and a smile and we wish all well.

I have no questions and no answers.

I’m just smiling at no-thing.

Peace.

Okay, so if sin is ignorance, then we have a few problems don't we?

1) How do we explain those who are well informed, and yet still remain evil, or become even more extreme in their wickedness with their new found knowledge?

2) If sin is ignorance, then is it really sin? Can we truly be morally accountable if that is all sin is? This seems to go against our intuition and basic concepts. For example, the Latin root of the word conscience is "with" (con) "knowledge" (science). In other words, our understanding of right and wrong is that when we do wrong, it is usually because we are going against our better knowledge. Now given, I (and most others), do have a place for "sins of ignorance" in our respective worldviews, but these are usually seen as being less significant, because they are sins of... ignorance! (though they are still out of conformity with the Logos/Will of God/natural law, etc...). But, again, at the root sin/evil is usually conceived of (in most philosophies/religions) as being an affront against knowledge, whether it be moral knowledge or other forms of truth.

So my question is, how would your philosophy answer these problems/objections?

BTW... thanks for interacting with me. It has been enjoyable so far.

desert dweller / all depend upon certain pre-cognitive beliefs (or presuppositions) about reality, in order to justify themselves as a working "tool" to arrive at the "truth" which is presumed to be "out there" to find. To deny that such is the case is nothing but a clever slight-of-hand, which is so prevalent amongst all enlightenment and post-enlightenment philosophy. //

yes desert dweller i like what you say in this post/

no one builds analysis from ground zero.

DD,

If anyone was truly informed, they would know that God is love, and would act accordingly.



Smelly,

“I am warrior who had to walk backward in life and so I have and will right to the end of me”

Yes, when I was on St Catherine’s Island searching for the portal, I met Vance. He was one of two the couriers for the actuators going to nyc.

Before I was told that, I asked if he’d had any portal experiences. He told me that his first experience was spontaneous. He realized that he had stumbled into something weird. He panicked. He wanted to get out. He looked around for the entrance. He couldn’t see it. It then occurred to him that in order to exit that he would have to walk backwards, retracing his entry.

Humankind stumbled into a portal. To get out, we have to walk backwards. You’re not as dumb as you sometimes act.

My escort would be Christ if I were to intentionally go into a portal. Only HE would be able to eradicate the fear factor wrt those unknowns on what's on the other side of the portal. Christ would be my protection against Lucifer and Ahriman.... and their minions... as HE is here on my homebase too.

99,

Not bad advice.  My escort would be Kashmir.

It looks like she already is.

desertdweller, you know why you came here?

Because your faith is on a string and you are here on OMF to sacrifice your god or yourself, preferably both.

For nothing but Love.

No books.

No trinity.

Just love and equality and no haircut.

It’s called having the courage to know who you are.

It’s not in any book.

All my love to clarity.

Dan, I do believe you and I are now in sync.

I get high with a little help from my friends.

I walk through the portal as my Self and I fear no evil.



Sums up life pretty well.

I’m not here to be famous or make nice.

I’m here to live the Truth.

Everything I say and do Dan, hits the right chord.

It is everyone else who must tune to us and catch the song.

That’s the only reason I exist.

And some no-thing thought I was a good idea.

I agree, as are all of you.

So why all the confusion?

You have to find the beat.

I’m a little more direct than Dan.

I’ll tell you nose to nose you are full of shit.

And I’ll always be right.

BURN!

I’m just here having fun with you all.

What do I care about anything?

Good day fellow travelers, be kind by living Truthfully.

Drop the shams.

garzparz,

You said:

//desertdweller, you know why you came here?

Because your faith is on a string and you are here on OMF to sacrifice your god or yourself, preferably both.//

I appreciate your confidence, but I would say it's unlikely

As I said in one of my earlier posts to Dan, I am here because of past interest in the whole subject matter of UFOs and Phenomenology. I was heavily into those subjects, as well as occult philosophy in general (I was a Freemason at one point, in fact), before I was a Christian. On the side, I try to keep up with what is going on in these circles, and enjoy interacting with those on "the other side" (philosophically), from a self-consciously Christian perspective. Aside from that, I enjoy a good philosophical discussion from time to time, and was intrigued by some of what Dan has been saying - as many in these circles are not self-consciously philosophical in developing their thoughts on the phenomena at hand.

As far as my faith "hanging on a thread," far from that, I consider myself to be pretty strongly rooted. In fact, when I have these sorts of interactions it tends to strengthen, rather than weaken my faith. I initially left the realm of the occult/phenomenology years ago, because I thought to myself "maybe those crazy Christians are right about this stuff being related to fallen angelic powers..." Then my eyes were opened... Even here, we have seen Lucifer cast in a positive light; though I am not accusing anyone of be nefarious or self-consciously luciferian. But it is curious that the phenomenon always leads people in that direction...

*paging the Collins Elite*

Obviously since my initial step towards Christianity, I have found a multitude of reasons to be a Christian; namely, that it provides me with a consistent and robust worldview, as well as joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. But that's a whole other subject matter...

Anywho, I've enjoyed these interactions, and though I disagree with a lot of you fundamentally, I think we can all agree that a "paradigm shift" - wherein scientific materialism evaporates - will certainly be a good thing.

DD, enjoy the ride

DD, I have the tiger by the tail and you don’t.

Now I have you by the tail.

—

Protocol, decorum, manners were invented to show savage people how to act civilized, for the common good we were told.

When you no longer need civilization or its conditioning, you can have another conversation, not with God, but with yourself.

I speak from experience only.

What I say is in no book.

We are the Logos here as matter, can’t get away from it.

But you can transcend it when you are ready and experience what they call nirvana or deep contemplative prayer of the Christian mystics.

DD, I used to be a good Christian boy, and I was a missionary and headed for pastor route, but I woke up thank NO God.

Then I went to hell I guess, I kinda like it. Warm and tingly.

People accuse the stoics of having no spiritual side, but they never learned it or undertsood it. It’s not true. Nature is God for us very few, fate, The Director, like the Zen and Taoist, who call it Tao is beyond conceptualization.

Each thing has a nature, it’s Tao. To find it, you stay in the moment free of thought and you feel the universe and go with it’s flow knowing you are part of all things and all is but a dream.

That’s the only way. Jesus taught the Tao. Do you understand that? He only taught the circle of the Tao.

He was as much god as you and I are energy.

But, those are facts. You are entitled to your beliefs, but not your facts, but if you speak them here, you can’t claim any authority friend.

There is none, but you.

So say what you feel, not what some old book says. What do you think is happening? What is your experience?

To find one’s nature is the purpose for living.

We learned something Christians need and forgot when it became a Roman political religion. We kept the light alive for you. Not the reverse. For the powerful, religion is control. Reason enough to let it go. To let go their story would demonstrate a true understanding of Cosmos.

Because there is nothing to be afraid of.

And believe what Jesus told you, you are enough.

"A person who doesn't know what the universe is, doesn't know where they are. A person who doesn't know their purpose in life doesn't know who they are or what the universe is. A person who doesn't know any of these things doesn't know why they are here. So what to make of people who seek or avoid the praise of those who have no knowledge of where or who they are?"

— Marcus Aurelius - Meditations 8.52

K, my shot of energy for the day Dan.

Dan wrote:It is not science/logic that is running at the bottom of the pit, it is logos. This is the last biggest piece of misinformation that is in currency. You already know this, Cy, but you believe that most humans are unprepared for the logos..... so you want to keep kicking the can (of half truths) down the path.

Dan what I have tossed out on the table is not a can of half-truths. It's a parallel reality that even most system inhabitants don't know about. It is still running in the current. Being unaware of it lines you up for a conflict with it...as you've pointed out, I have hot-buttons. So does it. Your sophia answers to Source before all is said and done. Fyi. But suit yourself.

As for 'fission' as you said, I wasn't talking about fission. There are many objects in this time swooping near Earth and passing on their way. I will look up the correct term for the electrical exchange or discharge between two celestial bodies and get back to you on that. This is a real possibility. The ancients were experts in the science of energies...from psi to electromagnetism...things we're only just now rediscovering. Rifts in the fabric or perhaps portals as you are discussing were not only understood but used to some degree. The paranormal societies using modern scientific tools and equipment are currently investigating these that enable non-corporeal entities to enter our terrain.

There's always been some barriers to prevent large scale incursions from these rifts. One or two entities might get thru until their non-native energy pattern exhausts itself, sometimes against circles of psychic warriors from some religious sect of one kind or another.

There's always been rules about preventing dabblers like Weishupt et al. But as science rose to supplant the remnants of ancient tech knowledge held in esoterica or intact ethnic venues that maintained bits and pieces for thousands of years, the knowledge of control and prevention faded. Now here come the portals once more and you or the Pandolfi's can't even describe them let alone combat them them and the generally negative affects they most happen have when outside the control of the knowledgeable.

Can you see my concern here as yet?

It's why I asked what I did. It's a fair shake those questions. If we've got a large scale breakdown in those barriers that keep the outside OUT, the deep state isn't going to contain it without the help of folks who have either some knowledge or talent or BOTH.

Now how do the portals tie in to your years of earlier information on the BPWH?

Cy

I believe Cy is speaking of a real and other subtle side, but still material.

And they know a lot more than us as far as who we are.

The know nature. Maybe they are nature.

I spoke with them on psychcadelics many times and since.

They know the Truth of the tao and circle Cy.

Cy, as far as I know, those subtle beings helped me wake up.

And listen Cy, I am eternally grateful for their help and the environment to realize Truth.

desertdweller wrote:Dan,

But that, in a sense, is a doctrine in-and-of itself.  No one is without a doctrine of some sort, just as no one is without a worldview.  Even the common notion that, "I do not have beliefs or a worldview, I just use method 'x' to arrive as 'truth'" - is itself a worldview and a doctrine.  For "method 'x',"  - whether it be rationalism, empiricism, or mysticism - all depend upon certain pre-cognitive beliefs (or presuppositions) about reality, in order to justify themselves as a working "tool" to arrive at the "truth" which is presumed to be "out there" to find.  To deny that such is the case is nothing but a clever slight-of-hand, which is so prevalent amongst all enlightenment and post-enlightenment philosophy.  

It seems as if you are holding to a fusion of mysticism/rationalism, when you refer to the "logos that resides in everyone's heart."  But my question to you is, what do you do with the fact that we are all clearly radically corrupt?  As one prophet put it, "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?"  Or as you said, we are bent to fall short of the love which is required of us in order to pass through into the heavenlies, or the "other dimensions" (or what not)?  The answer to our condition can't be to turn within ourselves for restoration, since 1) we are clearly the problem with ourselves, and 2) love is a turning outside of oneself toward the "other" (God and then "thy neighbor").  Is there a place for sin in your philosophy?

Hi Desert Dweller,

I think it helps to know that many definitions of terminology used by Dan is drawing from Gnosticism: Sophia, One, Word, syncretic, syzygy, monad, aeons...etc

The syncretic approach is the blending of different beliefs from various schools of thought to gain a more agreeable coherency and clarity.

This is the problem I have with many of his explanations in that the perception of meaning is filled with mud from many places and not tied to a supportive science, or environmental/circumstantial experience we can use to sort the meaning out.

What I do understand of what he is saying is point out that the energetic patter of a chosen nature facilitates a pattern in the person making the cross-over possible. This I do understand some of the technicalities of...you hear me harp on it often enough but wrt other things involving 4 dimensional existential patterns of outcome and states of being not portals.

I suggest that most people are not inheritly wicked...painfully ignorant sure. Wicked? No not really. Would an outside entity regard Humanity not 'matching' the expected pattern, wicked? Potentially. But I would then suggest that that particular entity is exhibiting its own kind of blindness, blindness that comes from never having substantively walked in the shoes of a human with all the handicaps of humanity as baggage.

I also understand what Dan is saying about we create reality, our reality being about us, etc...

Look in ancient times the knowledge of the mind was such that the ancients of the great return were able to use those talents to terraform a space of land in which to put their settlement. Clearing the land of vegetation (bush/tree) for housing and cultivation. You may still see that in the written record at C.E.L.T. Corpus of Electronic Texts...along side the record of MANY FLOODS.

Today those records are being verified by the discovery of villages found underwater off the coasts of Ireland, England, France, India. Sea rise, & melting polar ice post deluge. They try to hide the changes under words like 'global-warming' because if you really understood the geologic record, then the correspondences with human history would raise uncomfortable questions about pole-shift, and of course electrical exchanges between celestial bodies and other things associated with the cyclic cataclysm.

Cy

Thank you, Cy, for offering your assistance with the portal work.  I have no doubt that your expertise will prove useful, if it has not, already.  

I certainly appreciate your concern for the potential abuses of the portal phenomenon.  

Our next order of business would be check our definitions.



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dan wrote:Thank you, Cy, for offering your assistance with the portal work.  I have no doubt that your expertise will prove useful, if it has not, already.  

I certainly appreciate your concern for the potential abuses of the portal phenomenon.  


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Well if there is a breakdown in the fabric bringing the occurrence up to frequent or common, then everyone is going to get a crash course in entities that gleefully come in here to wreak havoc...As I pointed out about certain community in an earlier post, IT and its surrounding communities are already neck deep in that crash course...to the point of law enforcement shelving their 'conventional scientific mindset' and outreaching to paranormal researchers for help. A total of 3 or 4 communities in that area currently involved and of course the entities are using the energy convection in water (a local swale/stream) and underground caverns of limestone to traverse from one local to the next with minimal degradation of energetic pattern...kind of like a salamander staying wet so he don't dry out an croak.

Cy

For those who don't know how water figures into this sort of thing as I described above: If you have two different satellite receivers in you home, i.e. (Dishnet) you can go to the point in your home where your channel changer just is outside your recievers range to change the channel. Put the channel changer "head/front end" just below your chin angled up so a signal exits past your brain. Watch your range suddenly extend to areas of your house never before possible. Technician showed me that little trick.

Yes, we’re all going to be getting a crash course in portal phenomena, on the local and global level.

Everything we can imagine is an actual or potential portal, in that it is able to convey thoughts, information and/or actions from one entity to another.  

However, unless otherwise specified or implied, my focus at this time is on the decreasing opacity of the Katechon.  The Katechon is finally dissolving/deconstructing.  It is wearing thin...... larger than the usual holes are appearing.  Some of these portals are intended to figure in the Disclosure process.  

The opening of these 32 special purpose, special access, portals is expected to play a crucial role at this unique juncture in our history.... namely in connection with the long anticipated global Revelation.  

A particular role of these portals is to act as safety valves for letting off the psychic pressure that has been building up in the world in anticipation of our Revelation and the commencement of our Millennial Rapture.  Yes, the Rapture will be one way for us to let off steam, as we begin accessing the portals.  


How does the concept of portals impact the best possible world hypothesis?  Well, Cy, the concept makes the best possible world a lot better, wouldn’t you say?  I kick myself for being so slow to pick up on the notion.  My apologies.  


In order to understand the function of holes in the Katechon, we need to remind ourselves of the purpose of the Katechon.  It is our cosmic eggshell.  Or, more specifically, we might consider the cocoon that facilitates and protects our metamorphosis from our larval stage, to our butterfly stage.  

In this analogy, the ‘butterfly’ stage represents our return to Source or to the Monad, if you will.

This is the theory/function of the Katechon.  In practice there will be further stages in our Return.  But, mind you, sports fans, the leap that you are about to witness/comprehend will be the Mother of all leaps.  

Everything after this one will be relatively minor in comparison.  I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.  

After this one, subsequent, additional leaps, we will be able to take in stride, relatively speaking.  But this one, well........ this one will take your breath away, sports fans, particularly in anticipation.  

Allow me to qualify the above statement........

Kashmir has been through the portal many times, and barely bats an eye.  What the Pandolfi’s don’t quite cognize is that the rug is about to be pulled out from under all seven billion of us, in the blink of an eye, conceptually speaking.  Try to imagine the nyt follow up story to the Nimitz incident.  That one they won’t print........ I’m glad I won’t have to do the style piece on this one.


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