And, wait again, how does egolessnes differ from being born again.....?
It differs only superficially. The form may appear very different, but not the underlying cause.
Personal realization of truth.........?
I’m arriving back in Baltimore.........
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"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
desertdweller wrote:Cy,
And what is your area of exptertise? What drew you into disclosure discussions, and why did Dr Salla seek you out? Are you an experiencer
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
desertdweller wrote:In this group does being an immaterialist = idealist? Is this group basically holding to a form of idealism?
Dan wrote:Poor smelly/Eric/guest,
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
desertdweller wrote:In this group does being an immaterialist = idealist? Is this group basically holding to a form of idealism?
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
desertdweller wrote:hobbit,
It is a philosophical question. Maybe I worded the post poorly, I was rushed when I typed it out.
I see that most who post in this group are anti-materialists, or immaterialists. So my question is, in the realm of metaphysics, one has to pose an alternative to materialism, if they are going to deny that matter is the fundamental nature of reality. So in the eyes of those in this group, and Dan especially, is idealism - or the idea that mind/ideas form the fundamental nature of reality - the alternative then to materialism? If so, could you elucidate the form of idealism you hold to?
For the record, I would identify as a modified idealist.
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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