Immaterialism 7

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jofo,

Why don’t you tell us about yours?

I'm the one who came back home and survived this. Follow me.

I have no respect for any who don’t swallow the red hot pearl.

There are plenty of intellectually enlightened folks around these days and the internet promotes this in my opinion.

Who we are really shows through. Masks get easier to put on and penetrate if you are good with words.

We learn how to play the mask game better.

One might even say, post-modernism has birthed an age of responsibility as a last gasp before the earth really kicks our ass.

This fart salutes the other farts who want to smell like roses.

I feel you brothers and sisters.

But these are all just stories we are telling each other.

All this enlightenment talk is just another kind of god story to me talking monkeys tell themselvez.

Fictionz.

We like the ancients because they told the best stories maybe.

All liez.

When we reach that inner chamber and you open the door and the whole building turns to sand, then let me hear someone talk about their enlightenment.

Swallow that red hot ball and smile as you shit it out.

That makes me smile.

No smile, much delusion.

No delusion, smile.

Who smilez?

Amor Fati

I don't understand it but I smile anyway.

Enlightened^^^^^^^^

Almost...

There is no ‘I’.

Just farts who want to be roses.

Only the Smile smiles.

My super ex-girlfriend thinks I am a dog. I was told I have no right on privacy or anything really. So I was almost forced to be the lavender.

We must kill the heartless love inside of us. After that we will be closer to each other. That's the message.

...... speaking of eros and thanatos...... just wondering.....

One more message. There is something weird about it but I think it's cute and funny. If you have the possibility to love two or more princesses do it. You have nothing to lose as long as your love isn't heartless.

Where Dan is wholly faced outside himself, I am focused on inquiring into my nature.

I met Dan during this self inquiry.

He tried to distract me.

I just let him know about what I was inquiring into and invited him to look as well.

I learned there comes a time when a person authorizes themselves to seek themselves.

No one else can do this for another.

I let others comment and see this.

Most failed miserably to step up and engage with their own self inquiry.

Lost in their own beliefs and fears.

I have been letting delusion fall away.

I have no need to hold onto it.

As always Dan, I invite you to deal nakedly and autheitcally regarding these matters.

The eschaton is not authentic to me.

It is a story, a fiction.

You and I are stories Dan, our own fictions.

Won’t you join me here by the stream Dan?

I’ve been spending time with some other zen muppets.

They talk about enlightenment non stop or is Buddhism Zen or is Zen Buddhism.

Sigh.

I was looking for others serious about their own inquiry.

They are quiet and mostly not public.

We meet each other here from time to time.

It’s good for others to question us and to slap each other around.

It’s easy to delude ourselves.

I enjoy the riguorous discussions and considerations of inquiring muppets.

Some are pointed to the mind by a teacher or shooting star, some after careful study, others instantly. Abiding in non delusion is nameless.

We don’t know the meaning of the universe or give it a cause or an end.

We just know we are here.

We just accept this is happening.

We desire to know at many points.

No bullshit.

Self inquiry isn’t for wimps.

It’s hard work.

Do the work.

You won’t find anything.

It’s hard work to find nothing.

It’s harder work to accept it.

All I could say is you will doubt everything.

How is it an authentic search if you don’t?

I claim no attainment or enlightenment.

There is no name for being here.

smelly,

Should we exercise our citizenly duties?

Can you imagine someone having a calling?

Who or what could be calling?

Who or what is receiving?

I feel to believe one is called...delusion.

I am about dispersing delusions.

Do I sound stupid or foolish?

Substract my personal mask, it’s a smelly one.

I am a joke for those smart enough to pierce their own delusions.

An adversary to the deluded.

I don’t have an answer to all delusions per se.

I only have my own self inquiry.

I can only point and look at my own mind.

I can only encourage others to do so if I want to say anything.

Then we talk about it, rinse and repeat.

If anyone has a better process and any findings to share, speak up or shut up.

Listen if you aren’t sure what direction you are facing.

Straight on.

Tell us something that is not an illusion?

Then tell us the difference between an illusion and a delusion?

A sin must not be an illusion because every punishment would be an act of evil (delusion).

Sin, huh?

Against whom?

By whose standards?

Sin = ignorance.

Delusion is thinking you are an I on a journey.

The world isn’t an illusion.

Our ideas about it are.

Being here gives life a quality I can’t really describe.

You can keep your sin.

V,

Two wrongs don’t make a right.  


smelly,

On being here, now.........

Yes, I agree that we are not just cogs on wheel.  


And then we have V, from the ‘God’ thread.......

Set up your calendars to see where you need to be. In the small world everyone is his own personal Jesus.

And in the big world outside the only thing you need is a mirror.

smelly,

V has given a partial answer as to how it is that we came to be here, now.  

It was not an easy journey, but journey it was.........

If we, humans, just look around us, we see our fellow creatures, all in a state of nature.  

We ask, smelly........ are these creatures not much more accomplished at being here, now, than are we humans?  

We have to read books about how to be here, now.

The animals.......?  Hey, they don’t have to go to school to learn about being present...... they come by it naturally..... spontaneously.....

We, on the other hand...... we have gurus, and imbibe hallucinogens..... all, just in order to learn how to be present.  

What is going on.....?  Are we strangers in a strange land?  



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es·cha·tol·o·gy
/ˌeskəˈtäləjē/
noun
the part of theology concerned with death, judgment, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind.

"Christian hope is concerned with eschatology, or the science of last things"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology

Gary,

Apocalypse, now.......?

You should be listening to smelly.......

smelly is telling us, all, just to chill out, dudes.......

smelly is also saying........ stop the world, I want to get off.....

..... which is exactly the point of mysticism......

..... to get out of the human rapids, the human torrent, and get back to the natural flow.....

....... gently, gently, down the stream.......   

As we are floating along, gently, gently...... at least half the world claims to be hearing the roar of an approaching falls.  

Word from smelly....... pay no attention to the roar...... just enjoy the flow.  

I agree, 100%........ unless you feel called to respond.....

Me.......?  hey, I’m a first responder.  

But...... wait one darn minute, says smelly.......

Exactly who is calling whom......?

That is a very good question, smelly.....!!


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My tentative thoughts on Gary's post.


Our gov't has been trying to suppress the existence of UFOs and "aliens" for  70 years now. This brings me to the question "Why have they been doing that?" My tentative answer to that question is that they have information that indicates that "aliens" are hostiles. 


So why wouldn't the gov't want the public to know that? Probably for the same reason why they would probably suppress information if a comet was headed our way for a definite collision where there would be nothing they could do about it to prevent that from happening. So they would remain quiet to prevent public panic, at least until shortly before the event.
 
So what does this have to do with eschology? Nothing. Yet, one of the government’s tactics to contain this situation wrt UFO disclosure and potentially negative public reaction to that mass personal and public PANIC, involves starting up new age cults as a control system/mechanism to make everyone exist in a bubble of positive thinking so that people will blur out the reality about what's going on in the world around them... especially if it’s bad news. This way, when the big event is approaching, there will be much less panic amongst what was once the male irreligious millennial demographic but have since converted in sig. numbers to one of those internet cults started up in UFO and conspiracy forums... and YouTube, of course.


Granted this is only a small portion of the general public, but because we live in a youth oriented society as reflected in everything from Hollywood movies and advertising, the winning cults (those most popular cults) mentality of positive thinking (a new age/hippie mentality) and blocking out reality of the outside world would be spread by the internet and other venues on a global level. 


It would be the prevailing philosophical belief system turned propaganda by the gov't that would be influencing, in some way, everyone else on the planet -- the goal being to prevent massive public panic or at least tone it down as that alone, massive panic,could hasten the demise of our species (and everything else) even before the big event occurs.

99,

Nothing to with eschatology......... say you!!

Oh!  That’s news to me.

By the way, Joe Rogan and Alex Jones are currently the biggest purveyors of ufo conspiracies.  

And do keep in mind that Joe Rogan is the star of the IDW, Intellectual Dark Web........ of intellectual renagades, both left and right..... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.html



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99,

———— News Flash — ————

We are about to be blown to Kingdom Come........!!

And now that the word is getting to Joe Rogan and the Intellectual Dark Web...... the Game is almost over......!

No evidence........ you say!  

My exhibit A is precisely R&A....... as you point out.  

And the fact that I, personally, have zero charisma is an essential part of the story.

My only charism is the Truth...... the coherent Truth.

The only competition for coherence comes from science, which, on their own account, has only ever had half of the story.



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Truth mixed with fiction.... and being able to discern which is which. This is what it's all about for the educated consumer of information of this nature that's partly based on ones own experiences and ones own truth as that helps to discern too.

"99,


Do I not beseech you to discernment?


That is the whole point of coherence...... what is that makes sense...... in total..... ultimately.  


Show us something else, 99, that even comes close.




(cont......)" ~ DAN

Right... the language you speak appeals to me ... and a lot of your logic too. I've learned a lot by reading your posts here and at the old OMF. It's allowed me to see things "another" way. Thank you