Immaterialism 6

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Aaron,

The Jim Newman talk is rather good.

He is saying that all is perfection.

You are saying that all is nothing.

You guys had better get your stories straight.

All is perfect and all is nothing

"What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

-Jim Newman

Right off his website here

http://www.simply-this.com/essays

But it doesn't matter...

My words are as meaningless as your words.

The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

There is nothing that is separate

Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

What is is everything and everything is what is

What is, is nothing arising

In other words, nothing is happening

Just this

Happiness

Aaron wrote:All is perfect and all is nothing

"What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

-Jim Newman

Right off his website here

http://www.simply-this.com/essays

But it doesn't matter...

My words are as meaningless as your words.

The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

There is nothing that is separate

Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

What is is everything and everything is what is

What is, is nothing arising

In other words, nothing is happening

Just this

Try being original and spontaneous with your own voice...or don’t.

Dan, Aaron is in the spin cycle.

He might stabilize.

He might not.

Same difference.

smelly wrote:

Aaron wrote:All is perfect and all is nothing

"What is left when the individual ends? Everything as empty is-ness, nothing arising. What is, what is happening, is nothing arising. 'What is' arising, is about nothing. Which is paradoxically the fulfillment of need. Nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing more needed. The empty is-ness of what is, being without reason."

-Jim Newman

Right off his website here

http://www.simply-this.com/essays

But it doesn't matter...

My words are as meaningless as your words.

The only difference or conflict in what appears is only an apparent conflict or difference....it isn't real.

There is nothing that is separate

Apparent separation can arise and nothing needs to be done about the apparent separation because it is already unseperated from the totality of what is.

What is is everything and everything is what is

What is, is nothing arising

In other words, nothing is happening

Just this

Try being original and spontaneous with your own voice...or don’t.

There is no “my own voice” because there is no me.

There is voice seeming to happen.

There is no need to be anything other than what is

It doesn’t matter if this apparent voice appears to be original or not

“Own voice” is a meaningless concept

smelly wrote:Dan, Aaron is in the spin cycle.

He might stabilize.

He might not.

Same difference.

Actually Aaron is nowhere

There are actually no individual persons

Nothing is happening to no one

There is nothing/no one that needs stabilizing

See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

Blah blah

Nothing

Nowhere

Blah

In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.

I think, in the name of peace and harmony between members here and which philosophic viewpoints they believe to be true as opposed to someone else's philosophic POV they don't support is to instead focus on those common threads that run through all of those POV's instead of their differences.

So to get the ball rolling on this, allow me to start off this list:
1) 99% of those favorite philosophers cited in their posts that originated those ideas they believe to be true is that they are all dead.

2) Confucius and Buddha were both fat and there are a number of other philosophers who were fat too. So for this reason, I would qualify obesity as a somewhat common thread that runs through this demographic.... at least for some of the top VIP's on this list.

3) A good many of those famous philosophers  suffered from mental illness e.g. bipolar illness, depression, substance abuse etc.

smelly wrote:See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

Blah blah

Nothing

Nowhere

Blah

In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.

No one is useful because there is no meaning or purpose to existence

There is just what is

complete freedom

Indescribable is-ness happening

If you say “useful/useless” then that would imply there is someone or something for “useful/useless” to apply to.

Useful for who?

There is no one for anything to be useful for.

There is no subject object

Just this

Persons aren’t real

Aaron is a true nihilist if there ever was one... like Nietzsche, for example, who once said, "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back at you". He suffered from tertiary syphilis, bipolar illness, psychotic episodes and frontotemporal dementia. He died in a padded cell in an insane asylum.

99,

Aaron is a young person exploring....... let him continue.  Eventually he will light upon the best possible philosophy.  

As to your ideal of philosophical harmony....... I think you are the first person ever to propose such an absurdity.  

And besides, this is my thread.  Everyone is on this thread as my guest, including you, 99.

I am on the OMF forum as the guest of Cyrellys.  

Various of us have, from time to time, tried to kick smelly off the thread and off the forum, but to no apparent avail.  

I’m here to demonstrate that there is only one philosophy, the best possible one, because only one is possible....... only one makes a lick of sense.



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Nihlism is something else entirely.

This communication is beyond any concepts or labels

Nihlism is a human made construct.

Are animals nihlists?

This is pointing to non dualism.

Aaron is not a nihlist

There is no Aaron to take a position on anything

You are talking about subject object when you say Aaron is a nihlist

There is no real subject object

There is just these words happening and they have no meaning or purpose

Just this

Glorious emptyness apparently happening

Dan,
The harmony thing is absurd and I agree with you on that. I guess I just thought some would find  it amusing that  I even brought that up. 

Also, I will abide by your suggestion to take on a few more sensitivity chips when expressing my thoughts about any members here and those paradigms they are operating in.

Also, your BPWH is, of course, the best out of all of them!

Anyway....

I'll let y'all continue with the best possible philosophy now.

Enjoy!

99,

Thank you.  Stick around, and will have some fun with the non-dualists muppets.  


Aaron,

The fact is that you do respond to your name, and no one else does.  How are we going to explain them apples?  

Non dualism is a poor man’s immaterialism.  Why not follow that logic to the spiritual riches that it entails?  Spiritual capitalism is not a zero sum game.  We will all end up being Daddy Warbucks in Heaven.  



Yes, the best possible philosophy is like a tree falling in the forest that no one can hear.

Well I guess I can hear it, but no one else does. This may an historical case of the NIH syndrome....... not invented here.



(cont......)

There is nothing to explain

Responding to a name just happens

There is no one responding though

That there is a separate person who has free will and choice to either respond or not respond is an illusion

An apparent person calls the name Aaron and an apparent response just happens

It’s like no one just watching a movie happen

The movie called life is just happening to no one

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Vortimond,

Your right about that....... non intervention.

But that does not mean that we can opt out of the game of life.  

Some may try to take their own lives, but end up right back in the thick of it, and usually worse off than they were before.  Eventually they get the hang of it.  

Another reason people don’t like to think about the best possible philosophy is that it has an eschatological ring to it....... all ye, all ye in free.  Kids avoid bedtime, at all cost.  

Kids can just never get enough of life. And we’re all kids at heart.


And why can’t this dream go on forever.....?

Because there has to be a best possible dream. All good stories have an ending. The perfect ending is built into the perfect story. You can’t start a story if you don’t already have an ending in mind. The reader would just put the book down.



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Aaron wrote:

smelly wrote:See, that’s how muppets talk in the cosmic washing machine.

Blah blah

Nothing

Nowhere

Blah

In this state, the muppet is fairly useless.

No one is useful because there is no meaning or purpose to existence

There is just what is

complete freedom

Indescribable is-ness happening

If you say “useful/useless” then that would imply there is someone or something for “useful/useless” to apply to.

Useful for who?

There is no one for anything to be useful for.

There is no subject object

Just this

Persons aren’t real

Happiness

99 wrote:Aaron is a true nihilist if there ever was one... like Nietzsche, for example, who once said, "If you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back at you". He suffered from tertiary syphilis, bipolar illness, psychotic episodes and frontotemporal dementia. He died in a padded cell in an insane asylum.

He’s a fake pretender just trying to mess up the flow.

He never starts good flows here.

He only muddys the water.

Typical pretender.

Gotta kill them in the light of Happiness.

dan wrote:99,

Aaron is a young person exploring....... let him continue.  Eventually he will light upon the best possible philosophy.  

As to your ideal of philosophical harmony....... I think you are the first person ever to propose such an absurdity.  

And besides, this is my thread.  Everyone is on this thread as my guest, including you, 99.

I am on the OMF forum as the guest of Cyrellys.  

Various of us have, from time to time, tried to kick smelly off the thread and off the forum, but to no apparent avail.  

I’m here to demonstrate that there is only one philosophy, the best possible one, because only one is possible....... only one makes a lick of sense.  



(cont.....)

I’m very proud of provoking that

I'm not trying to do anything

Good flow is all there is

The universe is nothing but completely free flowing is ness

vortimond wrote:Love to you all. I'm the one who saw most of the old mysteries repeated again. The choice was made and the answer is to be. Let's make this world age a good one. The way to do it is to intervene without doing much intervention. Thank you.

Wei Wu Wei

Doing not doing

Aaron and smelly,

Both of you struggle to be Eschaton deniers.  

There is nothing shameful in that.  

You have many more years of life left.  How can you go with gusto, if you know the End is just around the corner?  

But wait.......

Don’t the propheteers go with more gusto than the mystics who contemplate their navels on a mountain top?



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