Immaterialism 4

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The blog is already hella interesting with those with the eyez to see it

But I say let Pk make his case.

Your act was a little syrupy for me Pk, but I never disliked you at all, you just had a mission.

I like most everyone.

I have a thing about missions.

The truth is prob somewhere in between us.

Jim Morrison of the Doors one said, "when you defeat the authority , you become the authority"

if you asked each one of these lads, what would they do once in charge? well, you get the point

don't get me wrong, I support the gathering, just doubtful of the reasoning

Kierkegaard would say if all take responsibility over themselves, no other authority is needed.

One can only be master of themselves.

Enlightened Anarchism

I happen to remember a man named Jesus hinting at the same.

yes, s goat " enlightened" being the operative

painterdoug wrote:yes,   s goat  "  enlightened" being the operative

Yes, there is a golden ingredient required for it to work.

I have to trust that it will work out the way it should.

I can only see what I need to do.

But while it seems we are farther away than ever, I only think that’s like any storm, it’s always darkest before the dawn.

The end of the movie Glass, said something I often say, being authentically ourselves out loud gives others the permission to do the same.

I believe that to my bone marrow.

Many have died over history standing up for the same.

It’s a bit strange that smelly preaches individualism without having the slightest regard for personhood.  

smelly has no clue that all concepts are social constructs.  Reality is a social construct.

Mystics recognize no such thing as a commonweal.  However, with a true mystic, the boundaries of the ego dissolve to be replaced by what....... Brahman?

Brahman represents the spiritual unity of the world.  Individual souls dissolve there in.  

In different schools, Brahman may be either personal or impersonal.  

Evidently, smelly is claiming to be tapping directly into the Monad/Brahman.  

He is claiming the impersonal part, as I claim the personal.  

We are both monists, so the personal can be either foreground or background, depending....... either phenomenal or epiphenominal, depending.  One is the shadow of the other.  

What difference does it make?  It makes either no difference or all the difference, depending.  

I could say that the impersonal view of the Monad is the source of all evil.  It may not be coherent to deny it.  

Have personalists ever committed evil?  I think it may not be possible.  

Is it possible for personalists to be confused about the scope of personhood?  But how can personhood not be identified with sapience?  Personal racism is simply oxymoronic.  

Cannot some mystics be theists or panentheists?  

I’m doubtful, but smelly claims to be such, when convenient.  


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Babble..........?

He speaks with forked tongue.  He sews confusion. That is evil.  

He blasphemes the Truth.  That is the one unforgivable sin.

Will he have a second chance?  I doubt that he could even conceive of such.  He is lost to God.  He condemns himself with glee.  

He cloaks himself to be invisible to God.  It’s quite a trick, be he has perfected it.  


1:20........

He preaches transhumanism.  That is evil.  Understand the very great distinction between the two terms....... transhuman and transpersonal.  

The latter is still a form of personalism.  

The belief in strong AI is the hallmark of the former.  

Perhaps with this individual, we have a vaccine against evil of impersonalism.  

Disclosure would entail the mass production of this vaccine. That should not be difficult.



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Papa don’t preach.

You talk too much Dan and usually in circles.

You have to keep it fresh, it’s always changing.

You can’t explain it or grasp it.

Two sides to the coin, yet you persist with your dualism, ok.

I claim nothing than to be fully wholly my self.

You should try it, waters great.

Oh funny, here I am communicating, so all your bullshit mystic theories are just that.

I just babble as goats will do.

Like you.

You only touched on the tip of strange here friend Dan.

Heap all your misunderstanding on me.

I can take it.

Tickles how hard you struggle against my embrace.

**MUAH**

Watch carefully Dan.

This is happening to us.

If you support Joe you are supporting a scam thats really hurting REAL families...you are knowingly supporting "a criminal enterprise" ...

Dan,

Do you consider solipsism a good thing?

When catching a plane, I sometimes wonder...if the plane has actually flown anywhere, or if only my mind has changed. Might we truly create our own world?

Mystics are pantheists.

Dan once again demonstrates his ignorance by asserting false assumptions as truth.

Dan claims to be the spirit of truth but then wanders off the straight and narrow into the curious and strange land of opinions and bias.

Anytime Dan uses the word mystic beware, he is lost and wandering far from the spirit of truth.




Dan,

Why do you troll Smelly so much? You pretend to know others and their view of the way things are but it’s very clear you are far from accurate in your assumptions.

Maybe focus on your own experience and stop trying to act as if you have the ability to know or understand others’, it only makes you look like an idiot in front of all these smart people.

Smelly does not sew confusion Dan, you are just confused.

What are you trying to defend with your constant attacks?

Do you know who you are?

Don’t you know there is nothing to defend, that the concept of ‘you’ as a separate thing from Smelly is an illusion?

Bwahahahaha

You can relax Danny boy,

Memento Mori.


One day all the thoughts and memories and beliefs and relationships Dan has built up during his life will all disappear and be lost forever.

Death is the great equalizer.

You can let go now Dan and find true freedom before death comes knocking....or you can wait and be forced to let it all go when your time comes.

I find life is much more fun and relaxing when you let it all go before the grim reaper comes knocking, otherwise you get like Dan, all uptight and clingy trying to defend the illusion of you...not such a peaceful way to live always having to defend and attack just to keep your illusion alive.

It is simply Dan’s illusion trying to defend itself from death by using its own created illusion of reason to do so.

Just try to reason with Death Dan when it’s your time...

Maybe you already died and you are in transition now...

“If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freein' you from the world.” -Jacobs Ladder

Dan sees Smelly as a devil but one day he will see him as an angel after he lets go and finds true peace and freedom.

Until then we can have fun watching him struggle with death.

Pkisfake wrote:If you support Joe you are supporting a scam thats really hurting REAL families...you are knowingly supporting "a criminal enterprise" ...

Relax Mr. Savior.

Who died and made you the scam police?

Too much time spent working for that TV show Gotham perhaps.

We have a Batman wannabe here.

Don’t worry, it will all work out in the end.

Hopefully any fool who lost money investing in anti-gravity hocus pocus learned a valuable lesson.

And who knows, maybe he will get his rattling cage flying some day and all those dumb shmucks who gave him money will make out rich in the end after all.

There is a sucker born every minute, that’s just the sad truth of the world we live in, not much you can do to change it, but you are free to have fun trying if that’s really your calling in life I guess.

I’m rambling a lot this morning....

Back to the underground...

Aaron,

smelly is trolling the truth....... not a smart thing.

And you are not paying attention, Aaron....... there is a world of difference between pantheism and panentheism...... you have to be able to follow the bouncing ball.  

Relax...... you say.  That is hard to do, with the spreading of so much disinformation and confusion.

And, Aaron, you are being gratuitously unfair with the work going on out at Joe’s and with his many contributor/investors.


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PK: where is the audio and the 200 of pdf you mentioned? If you have evidence of fraud let’s see it. Nothing in the materials so far indicates fraudulent activity.

dan wrote:Aaron,

smelly is trolling the truth....... not a smart thing.

And you are not paying attention, Aaron....... there is a world of difference between pantheism and panentheism...... you have to be able to follow the bouncing ball.  

Relax...... you say.  That is hard to do, with the spreading of so much disinformation and confusion. .

(cont......)

Angels are coming to set you free, don’t be afraid, just relax into it.

Of course nobody can free you but you...

The pantheism thing was a simple typo, yes mystics are panentheists.

There is nothing a mystic is not really.

The shit PK is posting was until recently part of ManyOne's public web site. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff. Reminds of Wikileaks publishing ridiculously boring emails to John Podesta and adding sinister music to make it all seem so important.

I used to get a kick out of AP/PK but now I am mad at him because he is making me feel bad for the Pandolfis and I didn't think that was possible.

Next he'll have me defending Smelly's pseudo mystical shitposts and that's a bridge too far.

Pandolfis are some of the kindest people I have met and Doug can back me up on that.

Joe is shady.

Ron is not Joe.

I can back up Aaron on that.

The Pandolfi's are wonderful people, love to laugh and are very generous.  They are the greatest parents to Kashmir who is now, and will be an amazing young adult due to the time and investment by Ron and Aliyah.  They love and care for animals and thus compassionate .  

They treat me kindly  and with generosity.  I can only speak for my truth, not anyone else.

Yes, I can only speak from my limited experience.

Aaron,

You are so opinionated, with so little background information.  

The insouciance of youth.......
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I’m glad that you admit your inexperience.  

Somebody has to do what Joe is doing, and you should be glad that it’s not you or me.



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Go go

Ga ga



Your words are amusing old man.

You don't know my background, but thanks for pretending.

Dan, the word "insouciance ", a favorite of Dr Paul Craig Roberts. do you know of him? not that you need to

Maybe you were referring to my opinions about Ron and Joe, not about mysticism....

Oops, my bad.

Yes, that is true, I do not have any background information with all of that.

Best to just stay out of it.

I am Joe

I am Ron

I am Smelly

I am Dan

I am the Princess.

Thus I should avoid opinions about myself.

I just am the way I am in all my various appearances.

In the best possible world everything I do in any of my appearances is necessary.

It's all part of the plan to get us back home.

Straight on.