Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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99,

I would give him a bit more credit than that.  

In the Endtimes, the news will become the entertainment, and the entertainment will become the news.  

God = +0.  We = God.  God = us....... in the End.

And, please, 99, don’t tell me about the SoT.  [You are welcome to put your annotations in brackets.]




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Dig the song hobbit.

Got the tingles a bunch listening.

I get electric tingles constantly.

I wonder if people feel waves of electricty sometimes.

Shrug.

Very tingly.

I can’t speak to the return to Alpha.

Do we head back as enlightened kids to do over?

I wouldn’t mind getting back to the garden as a Star.

This was interesting to find now...

“Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love.”

How should we be able to forget those ancient myths that are at the beginning of all peoples, the myths about dragons that at the last moment turn into princesses; perhaps all the dragons of our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us once beautiful and brave. Perhaps everything terrible is in its deepest being something helpless that wants help from us.

So you must not be frightened if a sadness rises up before you larger than any you have ever seen; if a restiveness, like light and cloudshadows, passes over your hands and over all you do. You must think that something is happening with you, that life has not forgotten you, that it holds you in its hand; it will not let you fall. Why do you want to shut out of your life any uneasiness, any miseries, or any depressions? For after all, you do not know what work these conditions are doing inside you.

~ Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

Smelly,
I for one am very very at one with the dragons.

And a little insight into the song I posted...
my grandfather toured with buffalo bills circus around Europe.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=QBiyNSUJ&id=9D494EA0B8A413ABBE3F1714E87D9FC597CD86BD&thid=OIP.QBiyNSUJLSZ2x5lTgGmWywHaEg&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2f5%2f53%2fBuffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show%2c_1890.jpg&exph=1090&expw=1791&q=buffalo+bills+circus+1890&simid=608018670878655835&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0






He survived the boar war, the first world war, the second world war, otherwise I wouldn't be here.
Those natives taught Him well.

I once shot an arrow through a police car door, My mother laughed saying it was just My grandfather coming out in Me.

And I KNOW why they wear those feathers around their heads and down their spines.

Clever birds, who have been here far longer than us.

They don't just fly, they displace in time, it's all about spin.

Hobbit

No, smelly,

The best possible world inhabits a closed timelike curve, embedded in Eternity. One doesn’t redo perfection.   You can copy the Mona Lisa, if you wish, but God doesn’t.  

There is only one soul, timeshared by all persons.  We are all soulmates with Jesus, and everyone else.  We come back, as individual souls.  The Earth abides.  

As a trinitarian, I can suppose that Jesus is one with the Creator.  Therefore, so are we, all.  This is just monism, spelled out, smelly.  Surely you don’t object.  I did not invent this metaphysics.  It was invented by my professor, John Wheeler, with his one-electron theory of the universe, q.v.  

Does this mean that you personally, smelly, are forced to reincarnate ~10^10 times on the Earth?  Don’t worry, you already have. It’s time to rest with the Source, don’t you think?  
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Dear, hobbit,

How many times do I have to point out that this is not a thread for idle speculation?  

According to the BPWH, we, persons, logically precede all other life forms.  This is merely the logical consequence of personalism.  

Feel free to disagree, but not without taking explicit exception.  If you find this etiquette too onerous, feel free to hang out your shingle on any other thread.  

Thank you for your adherence to thread manners.  



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We were all that life.

Rest indeed.

No arguments here.

I believe the energies of the dragon are real.

And please understand, that I encourage disagreement with the BPWH, but only consciously so, not by neglect.  


Dragons are real........?

Only relatively speaking, IMHO.  Persons reify reptiles, and not vice-versa.  

One might argue that salamanders incarnate fire, for instance, and that fire is a primordial/eternal elemental.  And I will attempt to demonstrate otherwise.

Feel free to argue that hypothesis with me, Eric, at any time.  

I’m just asking that you not bandy it, on this thread, without do so.

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I don’t need to argue any points.

There is no disagreement here.

Materialists argue that only atoms are real.  

Personalists argue that only persons are real.  

Nothing in between those two positions is coherent.  And atomism stands to scant scrutiny.  

Scientists tend to abhor philosophy.  Such abhorrence is dismissive of our humanity, and few scientists make any bones about it.  

I make a bone about it. I make a cosmic case about it.

You may win the hearts, smelly. And, if you don’t give me too much grief, I’ll win the minds. The Princess supplies the portal.


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Maybe no one should argue.

No argument........?

Dialogue ceases...... and then thought.....

What about music and poetry?

It does sound as though we have achieved nirvana.

This is Nirvana....... the Eschaton.

Ok, but, in the meantime...... until you abolish time&space.....?

But, Eric, you can quit the thread as soon as you like.

Or start your own thread with nothing but poetry allowed.

And you already have that....... on your website, if I’m not mistaken.

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Um, I’ll go if you like.

I wasn’t going to write any poetry here...at the moment.

"We wish to find the truth, no matter where it lies, but to find the truth We need imagination and skepticism both, We will not be afraid to speculate, but will be carefull to distinguish speculation from fact."
Carl sagan.

Hobbit

hobbit,

Carl Sagan is not a truth seeker.  He is a scientist engaged in normal science.

You don’t go looking for truth or paradigm shifts in telescopes.  

I labor under the impression that our current paradigm, scientific materialism, is fundamentally flawed.  

One does not go out in the streets, looking for new paradigms, not at first.  

Where I go is to the junkyard....... of modernism.  Modernism has come up short, in explaining the world.  Many, who share my misgivings, engage in fringe science...... trying to push the boundaries of science, beyond what is currently, academically accepted boundaries.  

On this thread, hobbit, I am doing none of those things.  
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Hold on....... I misspoke.   Galileo discovered the moons of Jupiter, looking through the telescope he had built.  He, politically, helped foment the Copernican revolution.  

Bigger telescopes don’t make for bigger revolutions..... is my point. Once the geocentric model had been overthrown, anthropocentricity could not be far behind, and with it the entire prophetic tradition.  

What was left standing was the Eastern tradition.  That tradition has become the spiritual home of all but the fundamentalists, including for you and smelly.  Deep ecology may be viewed as one aspect of the mystical tradition.  

Mystics nibble around the edges of science, looking for the soft spots.  

I’m not a nibbler, hobbit.  

Rather, I beg, borrow and steal from all the paradigms that Science rejected.  And I repurpose science, itself, as a major source of new metaphors. Out of these ‘found objects’, I cobble together a........ patchwork?  

I don’t think so.


1:30............

For the first five years of my sojourn into metaphysics, I struggled with Cartesian mind/body dualism.  That dualism was born out of a desperate attempt to save a remnant of the spiritual realm from the onslaught of science.  

It didn’t work, although fundamentalists still subscribe to it.  

Where was I to turn?

It never occurred to me to surrender to mysticism.  The scientific/rationalist impulse was imbedded at my core.  The spirit of Truth....... I took it to heart.  

This is what smelly failed to grasp, for the longest time. A few days ago he may have caught a glimpse of this........ Truth that you can take to heart. It can be a slippery notion, if you don’t take it to heart.

How can we ever learn to trust Truth again?

If Truth there be, has it not been distorted..... beyond all recognition..... first by Religion, and then by Science?



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Dan,
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1358127-the-dragons-of-eden-speculations-on-the-evolution-of-human-intelligence
I live in England, so Carl sagan is barely known, especially to myself.
I just like the quote.
Now I have discovered he wrote a book called....
The dragons of Eden.

I like some of the quotes from that, especially the third and fourth ones in this above link.

Hobbit

Thank you, hobbit,

I read all the quotes...... and I feel for Carl.  

He struggled to make sense of his accidental universe.  His heart was in the right place...... his head was not.  There is no place for mind, as an appendage to matter.  

He struggled with the apparent teleology of evolution......

I gather that he firmly believed in the inevitable evolution of sapience, so much so that we had to eliminate our many competitors to that throne....... palace intrigue, we might suppose.  

And then we have Social Darwinism.  

How do you sleep at night, harboring such nightmares, hobbit?  Maybe you don’t.  
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99, excuse me......?

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But, hobbit, if we’re not an accident along the cosmic highway, what the heck is going on?


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Dan, any Truth to this stuff from your knowledge?

dan wrote:Thank you, hobbit,

I read all the quotes...... and I feel for Carl.  

He struggled to make sense of his accidental universe.  His heart was in the right place...... his head was not.  There is no place for mind, as an appendage to matter.  

He struggled with the apparent teleology of evolution......

I gather that he firmly believed in the inevitable evolution of sapience, so much so that we had to eliminate our many competitors to that throne....... palace intrigue, we might suppose.  

And then we have Social Darwinism.  

How do you sleep at night, harboring such nightmares, hobbit.  Maybe you don’t.  


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I sleep brilliantly, no nightmares at all, weird dreams I must admit.

Stuck under a foot of snow presently , with much of GB shut down due to it, My dogs love it, especially the giant snow drifts forming in the high winds.



https://www.express.co.uk/pictures/pics/19486/Snow-drift-pictures-live-Latest-pics-UK



hobbit

Smelly, might that be the wishing well?  and/or how Trump was "selected"? Dovetails with these blinded remote viewing results:

Damn, this Aug kid is good.

I saw christians melting down about this kid.

I think I found the next piece.

Oh well, I guess there are no coders here. I said that I forgive Dan for accusing me of being a Russian hacker. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he simply misspoke on that.

That was a private or public key to?

smelly wrote:Dan, any Truth to this stuff from your knowledge?

the only way to know is to experience it...as with all things knowable

Nunia, perhaps the same thing. So this is coordinated info or just some psychadelic delusion.

Feels creepy to me.

Khensu The Reminder Tweet @KNeferhetep

Demons don’t respect or fear people who can’t control themselves. This is not an opinion. This is a fact.

This is a portal point maybe.

New info.

Whoa, bees in the box.

I been major on bees.



I don't go for Gaia New Age stuff, but this is interesting.

Too close to what I have been remembering and dreaming about.

jofo almost in at 11:11 which is intution, which is the name of the yourtube video I watched.

Haha. Creepy.

I visualize this new info today as a ball of energy.

I am walking around it, poking it.

It has my focus and attention.

Perhpas I may try to join with this ball of energy.

Aug had an experience.

More imagination probably.

I'm open to crazy info, this kid is good.

Forget Gaia though, blah.

[Demons don’t respect or fear people who can’t control themselves. This is not an opinion. This is a fact.]

I agree.