Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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edit notice: This thread is the Part Two continuation from the original thread - last post here -

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p990-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#2215

Well that was quite candid, Mur.  I'd bet there are millions who see it the same way.

Is the gig up?  That, Horatio, is the question.

Jack while talking with Dan on video a couple years ago, looked into the camera and said he was sorry for the listeners, stating "90% of you will not be here in 20 years".  Does he have an insider perspective calculated upon reliable data?  Well, who knows, he's not saying.  Who can blame him.  Dan has written at length of his vision of 12 megalopolises with 12 million residents each.  Total global pop - 144 million.  That's a significant drop.  He calls it the Best Possible World.  Rabbi Jack calls that the Worst Possible World.  I lean toward Jack's perspective.

So what do we do?

But wait, hold that thought.... Carol Rosin says Wernher kept saying in his dieing days, the last card is "the War on Aliens".  I don't think he meant Mexicans.  Does this mean the die-back time table is ahead of schedule?  Or is there a postponement awaiting Disclosure?  When do we have to run to the mountains and the glens, as Y'shua advised?

'Timing' is my quandary.

After much study I have come to a view:
that the current Leading Trilateralists and Bilderbergers do not like the Luciferians.  Even though L's are amoung them.  I don't think the T&B's want to destroy the world.  But would prefer there to be a billions rather than millions.

I see this as the "War of Titans and Fiefdoms" behinds the scenes.  China, Russia and India are also in support of billions rather than millions.  Only the L's are on the march to bring the Warring show-down and 666, ASAP.  And some say their greatest infiltration is concentrated in America's New Rome.  So ya, it looks bad.  But who out numbers who?  

Both WWI and WWII seemed like The Great Tribulation.  And they were bad, real bad.  But not that bad.

Yes Mur, it does look like most Americans are ready to lie down for their false flags.  But the rest of the world is not that ready,
yet.

And the World turns...


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Yes Cy and thank you, Canadians are for the most part very hospitable people.  Just like those in your neck of the woods.  It's easy to be nice where there is more land and resources than the population could possibly use.

There are so many fresh water lakes in Canada that they haven't been named yet.  100's of thousands.  No exaggeration.  And contrary to popular US opinion, they are not all in Igloo country.  100 million people could walk into Canada and it wouldn't even begin to become over crowded.  (Unless of course they all settled in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver).  2nd largest country in the world.  With more habitable life sustaining land than the 1st.  

I don't think that this is a coincidence.  The Commonwealth PtB HAD to have had foresight.  This is being protected for a reason.

And believe it or not, the US MIC is our biggest protector.  Ironic that your media and education system is geared to downplay this.  Instilling within the US masses that Canada is an icicle.  Far from the truth.  This country is an Ireland x's 1000.

And we don't have nearly enough people to man a Police State.  Nor could taxes ever afford enough gas to Drone it.

No wonder the boarder escalation systems.  The House of Windsor is no doubt peachy about it all, thank you very much.

But having said all that, USA is a beautiful country too.  I've traveled 30+ states by road.  For pleasure vacation time, car and motorcycle. The only way to truly see and experience it.  I am sad for you all.  And am hoping you kick the L's out of your East Coast Rome.  You were the greatest country on earth.  The world needs you back.


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Jake Reason wrote:Yes Cy and thank you, Canadians are for the most part very hospitable people.  Just like those in your neck of the woods.  It's easy to be nice where there is more land and resources than the population could possibly use.

There are so many fresh water lakes in Canada that they haven't been named yet.  100's of thousands.  No exaggeration.  And contrary to popular US opinion, they are not all in Igloo country.  100 million people could walk into Canada and it wouldn't even begin to become over crowded.  (Unless of course they all settled in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver).  2nd largest country in the world.  With more habitable life sustaining land than the 1st.  

I don't think that this is a coincidence.  The Commonwealth PtB HAD to have had foresight.  This is being protected for a reason.

And believe it or not, the US MIC is our biggest protector.  Ironic that your media and education system is geared to downplay this.  Instilling within the US masses that Canada is an icicle.  Far from the truth.  This country is an Ireland x's 1000.

And we don't have nearly enough people to man a Police State.  Nor could taxes ever afford enough gas to Drone it.

No wonder the boarder escalation systems.  The House of Windsor is no doubt peachy about it all, thank you very much.

But having said all that, USA is a beautiful country too.  I've traveled 30+ states by road.  For pleasure vacation time, car and motorcycle.  The only way to truly see and experience it.  I am sad for you all.  And am hoping you kick the L's out of your East Coast Rome.  You were the greatest country on earth.  The world needs you back.


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No worries about us kicking the L's out. It's all set. I'm of course saying less about this than I've heard. For good reason. Wrt the Universal Source, it's on the job - all things in good time, is how it goes. When it does, there'll be no doubt by that point in anyone's mind that it's fully justified.

Cy

Mur wrote:Whatever y'all say...but I've seen the fear porn posted by her here and at the place I supposedly destroyed...weaponized bird flu, foreign troops disarming militias.

It's not just her, it's all over the internet.

These stories are being fed...the truth is much more sinister.

Why are these stories being fed?

It's pretty obvious...don't you think.

Believe what you want, but it's over for the dirt, bricks and sticks of these united states.
The coup happened while everyone was sleeping wide awake.
I'm only suggesting that the dream of america can live on elsewhere. People left europe and other continents to come here in search or the dream of freedom...there is no reason why we can't do the same. This dirt isn't worth the price to be paid in blood...and really I doubt there is enough blood to be sacrificed. I'll take my chances with the volcanoes. Canada's manufacturing is a target that won't escape the fray. It's fate is tied to the states unless your talking about remoteness.

War is coming...we start it...we are the Nazis...hundreds of millions are going to perish.

The delusion is powerful...sure there a handful such as oathkeepers, wikileaks and the occupy movement that see the propaganda for what it is...but the vast majority will not...does not. These will be brushed aside just as the Nazis did...it's even easier now. Look what happened in Boston.

12 years after 911, the overwhelming majority believes a lie.
5 years after the biggest ongoing theft in history, the vast majority believes a lie.

They want to believe the lies.

That's a delusion you can't fight.

Hey Mur,

I've done some of my own fact checking.  Just because I don't had over the details to you doesn't mean it hasn't been done to a satisfactory understanding of certain things.

And I've never said anything about foreign troops disarming militias.  Your own facts are not straight.  I've point out things like foreign troops participating in joint military/law enforcement OFFICIAL ON THE RECORD exercises for martial law senarios which include disarming the GENERAL POPULATION.  I've also pointed out that currently, militias are tracking Russian Spec Ops scoping out families with children, predominantly homeschooling families under the guise of childrens book sales programs.  That this is generally presumed to be connected in some not clearly defined way with the international child slave trade.  That it is currently under investigation.

If you're going to diss someone you could at least have YOUR facts straight before you do so.

And btw, its no secret about Fort Detrick and others being involved in making combinant variations of the Flu virus which includes the several archaic versions of the human type from exhumed cadavers in old cemetaries, current versions of bird flu, and pig - and it is probable that the middle east bat version is somewhere in there too.  The argument is over the wisdom and end user intent judging from how other behavior in the like national issues are going AND the indication that the same group involved in the policy control of it is believed by some to be the same involved in the 2001 anthrax attack.

I follow the subjects and pay attention Mur, so that I can evaluate logically and reasonably who is speaking and in what manner on the topics.  There's a bit more to this than simple fact seeking.  Imperatives are in play everywhere and to understand their narratives you have to know and understand a bit more than just the cold hard facts.

That's not fear mongering.  That's doing the job every individual who calls themselves a "citizen" should be doing in order to be informed enough to be part of a democratic republic body of decision makers and intellectual participants in social discourse.

If you don't understand these types of processes, there's not a whole lot I can help you with.  Go back to square one and start again.  Really.

Cy

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The answer to 1984 is 1776.

Heraclitus from On Nature: Though reason is common, most people live as though they had an understanding peculiar to themselves.

Terms of application even the religious can understand:

The Rule of St. Benedict: (Benedict of Nursia - 480 to 542) On Taking Counsel of the Brethren - Whenever any weighty matters have to be transacted in the monastery let the abbot call together all the community and himself propose the matter for discussion. After hearing the advice of the brethren let him consider it in his own mind, and then do what he shall judge most expedient. We ordain that all must be called to council, because the Lord often reveals to younger members what is best. And let the brethren give their advice with all humble subjection, and presume not stiffly to defend their own opinion. Let them rather leave the matter to the abbot's discretion, so that all submit to what he shall deem best. As it becometh disciples to obey their master, so doth it behoove the master to dispose of all things with forethought and justice....

Cy

In this I finish my peace: https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p30-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#3505

Et Finis.

Cy

frightening...don't bother with the advice

just the tip of the iceberg

The govt has created a whole class that needs it to eat.

They will believe what ever the govt tells them to believe.

Good luck oathkeepers

Mur wrote:


frightening...don't bother with the advice

just the tip of the iceberg

The govt has created a whole class that needs it to eat.

They will believe what ever the govt tells them to believe.

Good luck oathkeepers

Mur you're preaching to the choir. Dan and Jake already know about it. And to illustrate where I'm at, my grandmother was involved in the 1940s with the discussions on state and national level on the 'big plan'. They called it "The Road To Survival" back then, the eugenics, and societal helmsmen. There's even a book that was published by that name that outlines much of the summary charting of the course in 1942. She was in the vanguard of those fighting it. I learned about much of this as a child in the 1970s. And I spent additional time with senior individuals with keen knowledge from the IC pov as a teen and young adult.

What you've posted here is old newz - 'we're way ahead of that' in so many ways.

Yes I feel for those who have no resources, especially those who in abject ignorance still reside in the cities where the masses will go rabid on each other on D-Day, and the outcome which the system lords already intend will result in them being a non-issue. Did I paint a pretty picture? The methods on the table wax and wan and are elaborately altered from day to day and fluid circumstances. But their goals haven't changed in several hundred years.

The one thing you're getting points for in this comment is that it is just the tip of the iceberg. Glad to hear you've digested that much of it.

Dan and I and Jake all have different takes on how this will go. Jake and I are the most similar. But his connections are more multi-national than mine as to his contributor's perspectives, whilst mine are more ground floor at the national base coordinates on the proverbial map. We're sitting around comparing notes and having lively debates. Each treats the other with respect even when we disagree.

Sharing info on recent and real time events isn't the same thing as trying to convince each other that one is more right than the others. Each brings pieces of the same puzzle to the table.

Mur this is so huge a conspiracy with compounding natural attributes that no one person can realistically deliver all of it in one digestible bite. That's just the nature of the problem, not a slight on any particular individual.

We have the luxury here in our little group at OMF to speak in the context of knowing generally what the others know. Thus we can move ahead and address other aspects. Dan's people are involved in trying to steer a part of the leviathan to their own ends. They are essentially one faction among many operating on the situational playing board. Discussion of that is what largely populates this thread. Dan participates in that effort as a member of that community and through the contribution of his perspective and philosophical prognostications. But you already know that.

I'm not going to stop you from participating here as long as you're not in wholesale destruct mode. But do us a favor and please don't treat either Dan or Jake as if they fell off the turnip truck yesterday. In their respective quarters they're on the expert level, whether you agree with their take on it or not. Even the experts bicker and quarrel over what they know, share what they've heard lately, and go to the extra length to find where the other stands.

This small community isn't built around a "I'm better than you, culture or a He's holier than thou, culture." This is just friends gathered round the hearth having an adult conversation.

Thanks for the good luck wishes for the oathkeepers. We know the score, each of us, no matter where we happen to be residing at the moment. Run if you like, but know this, that this is so huge there's really no where you can go, on the face of this planet, that the beast could not reach you should the oathkeepers fail in their honor and their duty. I for one won't run from a predator. That's never a smart choice.

Cy

Thank goodness you're not arrogant.

No one believes I brought down omf...because it isn't true

I have no allegiance to dirt...I'm not running...I'm leaving... exactly like both our forefathers did.

Mur wrote:Thank goodness you're not arrogant.

No one believes I brought down omf...because it isn't true

I have no allegiance to dirt...I'm not running...I'm leaving... exactly like both our forefathers did.

It's not an allegiance to dirt Mur. If I were prone to an allegiance to dirt I would not have left my state of origin to go live in Montana.

It's an allegiance to a set of ideas, principles - an ideology if you will. Sure I could practice it just about anywhere but I happen to believe in the original plan. And the only place intended for that plan to emerge and come to fruition is right here under our feet. You could try it somewhere else but you wouldn't get the original intended result.

I doubt your forefather was anything quite like mine. My forefather didn't just leave his homeland. He was the product of over a millennia of time spent by the members of our culture beneath a very different umbrella that grew up over them. When he left it was at the behest of our cultural group to seek out a new home and a fresh start for everyone, deliberately. And then he participated in the creation of a recognized colony along with the earliest transfers of the clannad. And his son after did the same overseeing the transfer of hundreds of families. They were building something coherent. And despite the many changes in our nation and in themselves since, they are still here.

I'm not aware of you participating in the building of something coherent or the preservation or restoration with far reaching consequences - generationally. Are you? I am participating in preserving that effort and work mine did. What are you doing?

There's not much difference between just up and leaving out of the blue because you feel the situation is not salvageable after a few years of difficulty, vs running from your problems.

But suit yourself.

And btw I never said you were the sole destroyer of the original forum. I've made no secret that I believe you were one of several who contributed to the end result. And yes I happen to consider you a substantial player in that. But it's all water under the bridge. The original forum is only an archive now. The 1000's of original members scattered across the net around the world, many still erroneously thinking all their time, work, and contributions were permanently lost. That's a heck of a feather to have in one's cap, no?

Surely you couldn't exactly blame me for the slight coldness in my voice if you could see it from my pov. If I waltzed into your world and the world of your friends, family, colleagues, and all, then proceeded to participate gleefully (example - posts you posted at Amkon to that effect) in the take down and decimation of something of similar value to you and they, would you not be of similar reaction? Most people I know would have nuked you on the spot the moment you showed up at the new location. But I have not. I don't see it as serving a useful purpose to do so. The label you carry upon you is censure enough because it is something you'll never escape no matter where you go on this planet.

Good fortune to you wherever you wander Mur.

Cy

like I said...luckily you're not arrogant...spawned by a race of super humans...your ancestors are better than mine...and yet a simple hoaxer fooled you...hahaha

bravo

keep going...this is priceless

Yeah...so where is your proof I or anyone other than Bren took down OMF?

no...that isn't your method of operation....you prefer to spread lies and fear and innuendos.

Isn't that the Traveler way?

You dishonor the name oathkeeper.

if a simple stolen valor hoaxer can fool you...i wonder what else you have been hoaxed on?

clearly it isn't that difficult.

Mur wrote:like I said...luckily you're not arrogant...spawned by a race of super humans...your ancestors are better than mine...and yet a simple hoaxer fooled you...hahaha

bravo

keep going...this is priceless

Super humans?  Lol, is that what you call the difference between couch potatoes and pro-active?  Geez Mur.  Who fooled who?  The data is still here and in more than one archive both on and offline.  It wasn't rescued after the destruction.  It was completed just under an hour before the final closure by Proboards and took over a week to accomplish.  You have a funny definition of being fooled.

What would I need any proof of your misdeeds for Mur?  My continued satisfaction after contracting Alzheimer's?  No thanks I don't plan on dwelling on you or any of your cohorts that long.

And as usual you misjudge my position in the whole ScA thing.  I supported the right of individuals and groups to present and communicate within a non-disclosure of personal identity agreement, and without molestation.  All of which you violated because you couldn't get any recompense or proof.  So you created your own recompense in the event of exposure.  

I don't care if the guy turned out to be italian mafia fulfilling a card-table dare.  What you did was fundamentally wrong and affected a good many other things you and all the others didn't know about adversely.

Part of this whole big picture thing that you're whining about and saying you're going to walk away from to some other country could have been set on a corrective resolution path back then as part of those things you didn't know about.  And to this day I am fully unaware of any other initiative started to replace those failures.  Which equates to guaranteed hot war on American soil at a point probably nearer than any suspect.

Is that what you were itching to know?  Congrats there it is.  You can never know who is watching or working behind any public scene.  What the public and other players in the mix do and say truly does matter.  But most are too obtuse to bear that in mind.  You don't care.  That's it in a nutshell.  You simply don't care.  And now you're poised to run to someone elses nation where you can be disfunctional there too.

Nice.  

I see nothing has changed with you Mur.

(snip post)

Oops, broke my ankle at a water park.  Things change.  And so too...perspectives.

Mur doesn't hold any importance anymore.  GL in Costa Rica.  And don't forsake G-d.  You'll need G-d there.

Life goes on...

I'm in crutches and an Aircast, foot to knee.  Physician says I'll be walking freely in about 6 weeks.

Jake,

Sorry about your ankle, do take care.  We are overnight in Leadville, CO, returning to Baltimore on Thursday.  

I guess it is almost a miracle that some portions of OM still survive, thanks to Cy and few other dedicated volunteers.  

Are we any closer to a resolution of the UFO enigma than we were, almost eight years ago?  Does it matter?  

I continue to suspect that it does matter, although not necessarily for the reasons embraced by most of us who have followed these phenomena.  

And, yes, there is a conspiracy afoot, but not of the sort most generally believed.  

And who am I to still be making such contrarian pronouncements, after all these years?  Certifiably insane?  Well, the jury may still be out.  A shoe or two remain to be dropped?  How can any phenomenon command such patience?  It has been enough to drive some of us to distraction.  Mur is a case in point.  Yes?

This phenomenon has provided a unique venue for certain kinds of speculation and politics to move forward, despite the many appearances to the contrary. Nay, move forward simply because of the appearances and the cover that all those ambiguities have provided, over so many years. Quick silver? Fools gold?

If you can't track the phenomenon, you track the characters involved. I can't recall who said that. Not too many characters left.

"So he pretended to be insane in their presence; and while he was in their hands he acted like a madman, making marks on the doors of the gate and letting saliva run down his beard."
1 Samuel 21:12-14

Soothing to see that Mur still has a brain and a willingness to think.
"Save me from all my transgressions; do not make me the scorn of fools."
Psalm 39:7-9

Jake Reason wrote:(snip post)

Oops, broke my ankle at a water park.  Things change.  And so too...perspectives.

Mur doesn't hold any importance anymore.  GL in Costa Rica.  And don't forsake G-d.  You'll need G-d there.

Life goes on...

I'm in crutches and an Aircast, foot to knee.  Physician says I'll be walking freely in about 6 weeks.

@ Jake, bummer on the foot!  No fun been there.  I hope the pain eases quickly for it.  Six weeks of forced inactivity would make me a bit nutty.  I'd be chewing on the woodwork by then.

@ Dan, thank you.  You realize you yourself are a big part of the cogs in the wheel here?  

What makes a community?  Why do so many wisemen historically wear seemingly fantastically colored or mismatched clothes full of vibrant strangeness and intricate pattern?  Because those things which glue a people and collective wisdom together is like that...it's colorful, fantastic, and where the diverse thrives.  

I left the house at five a.m. this morning to get to our weekly Toastmasters meeting and the subject of the day was:  passing the buck and the world of the day was Serendipity.  I was thinking of the Serendipity that has allowed us to preserve OMF and how in a real community passing the buck involves something very different than it does typically.  In real community creation and sustenance is a trust to which the members contribute without reserve or hesitation.  Passing the buck is a shared construct not an averted one.

The serendipity is the unexpected or unassuming synchronous living interconnection, natural altruism, acted upon between the members.

This is coherency is what enables the end result.  Thus OMF's continuation is not solely the construct of any one person but rather the compilation of all contributors.  This applies and is true of the mechanics who operate the helm, the posters, and even those in the background who visit read but never chime in.  They too take something away and their presence energizes the moments of pause.  All cogs in the wheel.

Cy

Jake Reason wrote:

I'm in crutches and an Aircast, foot to knee.  Physician says I'll be walking freely in about 6 weeks.

Sounds about right - if you stay off the thing. Don't cheat it. 6-8 is the average. Non-displaced fractures heal much faster.

[quote="Cyrellys"]

Mur wrote:

What would I need any proof of your misdeeds for Mur?  

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I see nothing has changed with you Mur.

That's true....it's clear you don't need proof of anything...you are willing to believe anything as long as it suits your views.

You prefer the beautiful (your views) lies to the ugly (opposite your views) truth.

I prefer the truth...even if it's against my views.

You're right...that has not changed with me.

You're wrong...I had nothing to do with the take down of OMF.

Stop lying about it.

You cannot produce any proof I'm involved because you are lying about it.

Stop lying and stop supporting liars....Trish.

You damage legitimate folks credibility.

You were wrong about source a...you're wrong about me.

Admit that you were wrong for once.

But it won't happen...because you are a narcissist of the highest order


An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges CHECK
Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships UNKNOWN
A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic) UNKNOWN
Difficulty with empathy CHECK
Problems distinguishing the self from others (see narcissism and boundaries) CHECK
Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury) CHECK
Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt CHECK
Haughty body language UNKNOWN
Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply) CHECK
Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse) CHECK
Using other people without considering the cost of doing so CHECK
Pretending to be more important than they really are CHECK AND DOUBLE CHECK
Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements CHECK
Claiming to be an "expert" at many things CHECK
Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people CHECK
Denial of remorse and gratitude CHECK

Any questions?

Jake Reason wrote:(snip post)

Oops, broke my ankle at a water park.  Things change.  And so too...perspectives.

Mur doesn't hold any importance anymore.  GL in Costa Rica.  And don't forsake G-d.  You'll need G-d there.

Life goes on...

I'm in crutches and an Aircast, foot to knee.  Physician says I'll be walking freely in about 6 weeks.

Sorry to hear about your foot...I love water parks.

As far as myself holding importance anymore...I never did hold any....and I don't hold any now either.

I haven't always shown it Jake, but I've respected the words you've typed more that you know.

We are all a part....and we all return

Good Grief Mur, 

You complain about me, and yet you're coming into this forum and portray the very thing you're complaining about.  Like Jake said in not so many words:  "Mur get over it."

Contrary to what you seem to believe, I'm not running around the net yakking about you.  I have better things to do with my life.  Other than your presence here on OMF you're a has been.  What is your malfunction man?  Don't you have a hobby or something?  

Take your psycho-babble and stuff it where the sun don't shine.  It doesn't do you any justice to come in here looking for a fight.  And FYI - I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINIONS!  And those are not changing.  I don't see you changing Mur.  You can't even acknowledge the part you played because you don't recognize that kind of behavior as unacceptable in civilized society.  You seem to have a craving for causing trouble and then sucking the blood off the floor in every aftermath.  Why would I have a good opinion of you?  For WHAT REASON?!!!  

There is a difference between having enough personal experience with something or someone and maintaining proof after the fact for some sort of posterity's sake.  You ARE NOT WORTH DWELLING ON MUR.  So no I don't maintain anything in the regard of your past behavior.  You don't interest me, you annoy me to no end when you show up, and you never learn!  

Don't you have a job or something?  I have an excuse, I'm retired.  What's your excuse?  Why is it you can't seem to go find something constructive to do?  Instead you waste your life coming in here to take insult shots at me?  Are you seriously that bored with your life?  At least I can say the higher percentage of my time is spent on more worthy matters!  AND THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SOUL ON THIS PLANET WHO COULD SAY OTHERWISE!

Mur you need a different hobby.

Cy

Psalms 94:8 - "Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?"

Mur, and the response to him, are about the only posts that can be understood. The rest is babble about nonsense.

Isaiah 56:10 - "His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber."

Of Mur's good work, He spoke;
Exodus 2:25 - "And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto" Mur.

And one last thing, since you are hell bent on causing public sentiment injury by hurling these insults at me:

Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

 Today at 10:04 am

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Mur quoted Cyrellys wrote:What would I need any proof of your misdeeds for Mur?  

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I see nothing has changed with you Mur.

Mur wrote:That's true....it's clear you don't need proof of anything...you are willing to believe anything as long as it suits your views.

You prefer the beautiful (your views) lies to the ugly (opposite your views)truth.

I prefer the truth...even if it's against my views.

You're right...that has not changed with me.

You're wrong...I had nothing to do with the take down of OMF.

Stop lying about it.

You cannot produce any proof I'm involved because you are lying about it.

Stop lying and stop supporting liars....

You damage legitimate folks credibility.

You were wrong about source a...you're wrong about me.

Admit that you were wrong for once.

But it won't happen...because you are a narcissist of the highest order


An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges CHECK
Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships UNKNOWN
A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic) UNKNOWN
Difficulty with empathy CHECK
Problems distinguishing the self from others (see narcissism and boundaries) CHECK
Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury) CHECK
Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt CHECK
Haughty body language UNKNOWN
Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply) CHECK
Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse) CHECK
Using other people without considering the cost of doing so CHECK
Pretending to be more important than they really are CHECK AND DOUBLE CHECK
Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements CHECK
Claiming to be an "expert" at many things CHECK
Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people CHECK
Denial of remorse and gratitude CHECK

Any questions?

I am not half as stupid as I look Mur.  You're pulling the same crap above that you pulled in the ScA affaire in which you denigrated the person once you had their identity, just because you personally didn't believe the story given, in order to totally ruin the guy's life.  The intent here on your end is what I'm talking about, not the case.  

You did it knowing full well that modern employers utilize the internet to research employment suitability.  So not only did you violate a non-disclosure of identity agreement but you deliberately went after the man in internet forums, articles, internet radio, and social networking in a deliberate drive for recompense outside of any courtroom jury or judge.  Taking matters into your own hands and administering what could be construed in modern terms as a corporal punishment of sorts.  Quite effectively I might add.   Last I heard he could not get any job better than serving coffee.  

And NOW YOU'RE TRYING THE SAME THING ON ME?  Ha ha ha ha!  Like I said Mur, the old fashioned games don't work with me.  I'm RETIRED!  I don't need a job, or an employer. And if I did, I wouldn't bother with employers.  I'd go out and start a business or work as a subcontractor like I did for 90% of my career.  That means I'm not beholden to public sentiments conscripted by a lunatic fringe stalker and twisted into something that couldn't resemble myself, come hell or high water!

You're wasting your time dear.  Like I said, why would I have a good opinion of you?  FOR WHAT REASON?

Show me YOUR PROOF!

Rofl.  Oh that's right, you just did.

Cy

Mur,  

It is apparent that you are much more inclined to settle old scores than to contribute new insights.  

Please, come back when you are in a more helpful mood.  I'm not holding my breath, however.  


Paul Z recommends Information and the Nature of Reality, ed. Paul Davies.  It was helpful for me to read the Amazon reviews.  

The point is made that the mysteries of information permeate all aspects of reality.  The biological and mental aspects can hardly be distinguished from the rest.  Information comes in all guises and contexts.  In as much as it can be defined, it is trivial.  In as much as it is substantive, it cannot be defined. It is a scientific tar-baby.  Many venture in, few venture out.  

In short, information is the modern gateway to immaterialism, IMHO. But, wait, how can information exist w/o matter? But then, how can matter exist w/o information? Where can the line be drawn? This dilemma leads to neutral monism.

Such metaphysical neutrality seems only to deepen the confusion. Kant became lost in his own noumenon. Yes, there is the conscious and the unconscious. Reality (objectivity?) is the thin blue line between those two regimes.

Thin blue line......? This is what the Islamic philosophers refer to as occasionalism. Xians refer to it as love. Chicken Little refers to it as the Eschaton.



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(Today will be occupied with my father-in-law's 91st birthday and my son's house settlement, downtown)


But, yes, what does the informational nature of reality have to do with eschatology, pray tell.......?

Am I suggesting that the Earth is just a will-o'-the-wisp that will vanish if God blinks or Atlas shrugs? Yes and no......

What most philosophers have always claimed, with seemingly more or less arrogance, is that appearances can be deceptive and/or that just because the Sun has always risen in the morning is not proof that it will rise tomorrow morning. We can only be fairly sure that it will continue to do so, for the foreseeable future. How much of the future is actually foreseeable remains an open question, even within the scientific community.

We do, though, continue with our daily routines, as best as possible, despite all the uncertainty about the future. We could not get out of bed in the morning, if we did not have a minimal confidence in the predictability of the future, and our continuing ability to cope.

Is Chicken Little trying to subvert human self-confiedence? Does CL want the world to end, as the Pricess suggested, on her radio show, about a month ago?

Yes and no........

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