Why are we here?

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(This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

Why is there something rather than nothing?  

Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

A related question is what constitutes an observer?

What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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RealPan wrote:Perhaps you should read Dune, this time with care. Upcoming will be a meeting of the Wise Men on Dune. It was inspired by history and from the perspective of those in the future.

My friend, The Adversary, struggles a bit with the game.

It’s ok brother, life is hard, for every human being.

But it can be sweet at times.

We remember those when we die most.

He should read Dune.

I’ve read the whole series 3 times in my life.

I’ve almost memorized it.

There are no wise men alive.

Just us wild rabbits we have the script now.

Robert Bly wrote:To be wild is not to be crazy or psychotic. True wildness is a love of nature, a delight in silence, a voice free to say spontaneous things, and an exuberant curiosity in the face of the unknown.

The sleeper has awakened indeed.

Each must know themselves now.

That’s the only respite from the coming tyranny.

I don’t curse the tyrannical.

They help us become stronger.

Nothing can penetrate the inner sanctum.

You have to open the door yourself.

The only way to close it is to know yourself.

Though the darkness and storms may pound and pound at your door, don’t open it to anyone or thing you don’t trust and know as yourself.

This is the age of the Jedi rabbits while everywhere gnashing of teeth can be heard.

Trump is the face of Wetiko, the great hungry monster.

It has countless names in our history.

It’s stalked the Dreamtime forever.

You can’t kill it.

If only it was that easy.

It has 10000 faces.

Search your heart.

If you serve anyone or thing, you are of the Wetiko spirit.

All with power over others serve Wetiko.

They have no idea.

Love never seeks power.

It lifts everything, while Wetiko destroys everything.

Its goal is to devour the earth and itself, like a black hole ️

The invisible 🫥 beast at the bottom of the pit.

You can stand against it kind of.

Let it pass through you, like Obi-Wan did.

It’s a strange feeling to be brushed by its invisible wings 🪽

You can only have power over yourself.

Within yourself, the best you can do is balance between death and life.

Don’t serve, STAND!

The nameless/faceless doesn’t need your loyalty, only a heart of love will make it through the barrier.

We are all Kings and Queens 🫅

Anyone claiming authority over anyone or thing is a liar

Deny all claims.

It’s very important to do this or you won’t ever know where you are.

Remember who you are.

Click your ruby heels 3 times if you have to.

No one or book can tell you or show you.

Only you can show yourself.

Good luck gamers!

portal wrote:The movie version is all messed up

They got Chani all wrong

Not to mention the other noble houses reaction to Paul’s ascendancy

But of course Hollywood needs more draw for the next installment

Hawk Tuah!

Gotta milk that cow

Now

As far as the Old Man is concerned

I will elaborate

Imagine watching Sagan’s Contact

Then afterwards making the claim that the others in the form of her father basically spit in her face

What can be concluded in all of this

Mr J has a spit fetish

Hawk Tuah!

Only for you, baby!

Well, I’m glad that BBL and Janus seem to be getting along.  
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I’ve had words with RealPan…….

My understanding is that the real P has posted on that account, from time to time.  

In any case, he has given the present poster the password.

He said he would ask the present poster to stop using that particular handle, which is deceptive.  

Evidently RP has forgotten to pass the word…… or maybe RP is just lurking.  

I have given the last poster my phone number, in case he would like to explain himself.  

RP did give me his name, which I immediately forgot.  
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Back to business………

Yes, it feels like I might be getting a better handle on the O/E/R event.  

Recall that, according to three, the default or zeroth approximation was that the portals would open for five days, and then the Sun would go out.  

Our exodus would be mostly zombie-like, and that one third of us would exit on the first day…… Piedpiper style, let’s say.

I did the math and figured that we might have 10^5 portals, with 10^5 of us exiting through each portal, over the five days.  

Where we went after that was clearly not the concern of three.

As I say, that is the fall back plan.

Is that the best possible exodus?  

Clearly not.  

Understand that when I first broached this topic with three several years ago, on St Catherine’s island……. I was connecting the few dots that I had, and suggested that the Rapture would be us exiting through the Hive, of which she was the queen.

She evidenced considerable displeasure over the fact that 10^10 of us would suddenly be trampling through her hive.  

That was then, and donny had just been elected, and the two actuators were being delivered from the Island ️ to Trump Tower.

Now, we can afford to take a few steps back.  

Here’s perhaps the biggest outstanding data point that, somewhat surprisingly, only recently came to my attention…….

It’s the Our Father……… on Earth , as it is in Heaven!  

The Hive, for instance, is not mentioned.  

And, let’s face it, three will not be remembered as a philanthrope……. at least, not up to this point.  

And, let’s face it further, there is a bit of competitive tension between us.  

On the other hand, I’m always wondering who knew what, and when did they know it?  

Relevant to this question might be the question of seniority……. of which I have my fair share.  

We each have different kinds of channel, relative to the Truth.  

My channel may not have much amplitude, but, on the other hand, it may not have as much static, either.

Between two and three, it may have less political static.  

Ok, so, back to the opening……

There’s really only ever one question that matters…….. what’s the best possible……. opening?

Well, why can’t we adjoin heaven to earth……. the angels could just come and join us down here.  

Why not just reconstruct Eden down here?  

That might not be so bad, but there are liable to some logistical issues…… such as 10^10 ==>> the One.  

That’s liable to be a pretty big issue…….. of which three is, evidently, well aware.

By opening the gates to two way traffic, I think we get a better handle on the number’s problem…… and the numbers problem has always been a sore issue.

Yes, we’ve been fruitful and multiplied.

How do we implement the best possible division strategy?  

And, yes, we have dissociative identity disorder……… and what is the opposite?

What is the treatment for DID?

Hey, it’s talk therapy!

chick suggests that we start talking!

Several folks hereabouts seem opposed………. often viscerally.
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So, recently there have been two reunions that I’ve been associated with…….. one went better than the other, on my part.

There was a northern reunion and then a Missouri reunion.

With the latter, I’ve not yet been thrown under the bus.

And there might be a third one, coming up.

Both of the last two involve cousins……. in-law and out-law……

And, with each of the first two, there was a 39 year hiatus.



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Get this……… coming right out of google……

Yes, the truth will set you free…… but not until it’s finished with you!  

You’ve gotta love it.  

This is what I learned, coming out of the Branson 39 year reunion.

Coming back is the guy with the hoodie sitting in front of me with the shade down and the seat back. The flight attendant had just been through, and had asked him to put his seat up.

Because the seat was back, it was ever so easy to tap him on the shoulder……. he then turned around and spoke to me….. hard of hearing.

I asked him to say it again……. don’t touch me…… much more distinctly.

Because he had turned around, my son noticed, in all the darkness, his face was tattooed.

I would have loved to push the call button.

My son pleaded no.  

I made him agree to have a beer when we got off.

Another thing I learned was that, when you get to OT8, you learn that L Ron teaches that the jguy is a pedophiling faggot…… again thanks google and AI.

And all this is essential to this being the best possible world.

Yes, sports fans, the Truth will set us free……. when it’s done…..

And I’m learning a little more about portals……. in Branson…… at 39.

Yes, put together Scroop, Karnes, Vaughan and Cole, and who knows what you’re liable to get……. chick .  

The name of Leroy Brown does come to mind…….. was a guy who talked a big game and was feared by the rest of the regiment.

Hey, Leroy and chick might go somewhere…… oooops!…… a bit too close to home .  

Leroy was the first one off that plane.

And, let me test my portal skills…….. because the jguy was such a namby-pamby, we needed the Mguy to put a little spine into the Truth.  

Is it working?  

It might just need a pinch of the special sauce……. along with two (2) masters degrees in physics, of course……. 2&3……. and then all those portals on the far side of Omega…….. check out Dune and the journey to the center of the Earth.



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I’ve been scripted to tell you that you are utterly clueless Dan along with your know nothing Aviary and Princes and especially your RP.

The author is laughing in my ear right now saying he put the SoT in the gas of a smelly goat

Facts.

Please do exit via your portals.

Can’t wait for y’all to leave.

Don’t forget to take your big orange pumpkin head with you.

I hope you all have eternity together.

Adios.

Once you are all gone, just us wild rabbits and flowers left, woo hoo!

Party time 🥳 after all the creeps leave.



P.S. Jesus was a pedo. Christianity is a kiddie porn ring.

Mormons consider God a sex offender; Scientologists consider Jesus a sex offender; but according to their respective theologies, none committed the evil acts of our Chick. One reason that the Chick defends God and Jesus is that relative to the Chick, they lived moral lives. As a student philosophy, I enjoyed the story of the Chick assaulting the poor man on the plane, then seeking the protection of his son in a pitcher of beer. That said, I would have enjoyed the virtual conversation between the Chick and the Flight Attendant. "I assaulted the man siting in front of me, and twice he asked me to not assault him a second time. Let me demonstrate now by again assaulting the man in your presence."

All religious people are clueless muppets.

God, the lunacy of the muppet.

And to the clueless RealPan(s), you don’t study philosophy, you live it.

Disclose your own darkness.

Anyone who has been hit by the light knows exactly what I mean/don’t mean by that.

You ain’t no Pan or Green man at all, I’ve read your dumb posts.

Sigh, you are just a machine RP, a product of the system.

The worst thing to do is go to a modern university.

I’m a happy bunny so I won’t shred RP like smelly the goat would have.

clueless know nothing, do better, unlearn all you know and try again naked. Pretender.

BBL and RPX,  

Paradigm shifts…….. they happen……. rather like gestalt switches.  

The jguy was, say, half human.

The chick might turn out to be 100% human.  

And her only job is to demonstrate that humans are 100% divine.

You just have to consider the alternatives.

Do we need a second coming?

If so, of what sort?  

Many folks would cancel the prophetic traditions……. have only science……. or something else.

Some would cancel everything and have us still in caves.

Or, better yet, cancel humans!

If you decide you want a Narrative, what narrative do you propose, and what sort basis or background would you propose?  

Yes, our default condition is to sit around and curse the darkness.

If you don’t like any teachings on offer, you can swear them all off, or you can come up with a new one.

The only folks who feel called upon to communicate here are the ones who prefer nothing or something that cannot or need not be verbalized.  

And, of course, there are those who can’t stand to have anyone tell them anything……. as if they were being fenced in.

What about the hand writing on the wall or in the sky ?  

Maybe that would have worked better.  

This is very clearly a work in progress……. so chick is playing the role of a Tom Sawyer painting the fence.  Can anyone think of something less offensive?  

And probably most folks would be anything except one with the One.

That’s what Hell is for……..  to throw Leroy off the plane, or for Leroy to throw smitty of the plane.

How can the Kingdom come, with all the bozos still here?  

Do we all have to become Quakers?  

Shouldn’t salvation always be a work in progress……. sub specie aeternitatis?

But you don’t have to watch much YouTube to realize that there are a lot of folks trying to figure out how to add a grain of salt 🧂 to scientific materialism.

And there are more than a few of us who are trying to reinvent immaterialism.  

But, so far, they refrain from swinging for the fences.

And I guess I should apologize more often, but that gets both tiresome and trite.

There are probably one or two in this game who are just as happy to let smitty take the knocks.  

And none of this is rocket science.  

It’s just some fairly serious cherry picking, and then connecting the dots.  

It has to end up being as simple as pie 🥧.  

If you find this offensive, someone was gonna have to do it sooner or later.  

Consider yourself fortunate to be able to complain to the source.  

What is there not to like about the best possible world?  

If, for instance, some kind of chicken little is not the best possible spirit of the truth, then let someone please take this cup……. and ask for a refund.  

But is chick complaining?

Well, let’s see……. I do sometimes wish that my goddaughter would stop throwing me under the bus……. but, hey, there have been worse punishments.  

All the complainers on OM hardly add up to three .  

And she might well be right, but I keep doing the math 🧮, and it keeps adding up to the bpw.  

Sorry, everyone.  

I know no other……. I can do no other…… and I seriously doubt that the chick is much longer for this world.  



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I was asked to read Dune, and based on what I read evaluate the veracity of the Best Possible World Hypothesis within the context of the Small World. I will present my views at the upcoming Tasseography.

Ok, so probably you’ve been talking with three.

Then maybe you could provide some insight into her throwing me under the bus.

Does she really think that chick = Satan?

It stands to reason that two is of a similar opinion.

As a lowly philosophy intern, I would never request such information. I do know that you remain on top of the list of philosopher advisors, but that your status has been greyed indicating you are neither accessible amongst the living or the dead with advisors from both groups scheduled to participate. Should you take the time to read Dune, I am certain you would be resurrected for this upcoming meeting.

RPX,

You only need to hum a few bars and I will get the tune.

I don’t care if someone has not read a single post…… I can be explain the bpw in three sentences.

Yes , there is a Princess who is the narrator.  

I only need to know what the Princess believes and why.  

It would make much more sense for her to tell me herself, and then we could discuss.  

If she refuses to discuss, then you and I can discuss.  

Are you afraid or something?  

All you know how to do is complain……. just like everyone else on here.  

Hey, just step right up…..    



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You cannot achieve resurrection by humming a few bars. You need to read, digest, evaluate, and interpret. Only than can you interact with Adrien and the other Wisemen under he authority of the Princess. Big Bunny would have more to contribute.

RPX,

You know what, you are seriously chicken.  

Even two is seriously underwhelmed by Adrien……. and that is saying something.

Adrien has a magical magnetometer.

The only magic I do is that I can think straight.

I’ll listen to someone when they show they can think straight.

I know, for instance, that there is that of God in Leroy, two and three.

I seriously doubt that you or Leroy has a clue.

two and/or three might.

I’ll read Dune with a fine tooth comb, when someone can show me just one clue.



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RealPan wrote:You cannot achieve resurrection by humming a few bars. You need to read, digest, evaluate, and interpret. Only than can you interact with Adrien and the other Wisemen under he authority of the Princess. Big Bunny would have more to contribute.

HA!

I have nothing to contribute.

I’m useless and hopeless.

Dan, my eschatological friend, there will be no second coming, because there was no first coming.

Only those who know they don’t know are free.

Dead bunny hopping.

Amor Fati.

My friend smelly did have magic farts but he’s retired now.

I like being used to shame Dan.

**chuckle**

Death is coming for both of us.

This is the only truth I can agree with anyone about.

OH LOOK DAN WANTS TO BE JESUS!

NOW HE CAN BE MOHAMMED TOO!

HYAAAAAAAH!

Mohammed was a monotheist.  

The jguy was not.  

The jguy was…… is a personalist.

Every person qualifies to be……. will be….. God.

That’s just who we are.

Reality begins and ends with persons.

Atoms are epiphenomenal.  

Materialists have said that mind is epiphenomenal.  

Immaterialists have returned the favor……. with considerable interest.

Objects exist only by being embedded in our Narrative…….. they exist by way of co-dependent arising…….. well, let’s amend that slightly……. there are no objects without observers……. dreaming them up….. as we dream up each other.  

Dune…… and all such narratives…… suppose that we are the spawn of God.

We are the children of God.

Who gets to have the last word is significant.

Understand that the jguy and whoever turns out to be the chick are co-dependently arising.  

one, two and three are co-dependent, whether we know it or not.

Do we have any other questions?
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Trust the chick…….. obliviousness is an essential ingredient of the Katechon.  

The Katechon is not over…… until it’s over.

Has anyone seen Bernardo K push back against the Big Bang ?

I’m sorry, berny, but the bb and immaterialism are simply incompatible…… incoherent.  

But maybe bernie doesn’t want to be the chick.

He may not be the only one……. but what’s a body to do?  

Recall that we can blame the bb on Mach and Olber……. there is only one way to save the one possible appearance.  
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Those in academia who wish to put mind over matter will have a tough time getting beyond cosmic consciousness and panpsychism.  

Geocentrism will be tough to resurrect…… and that’s putting it mildly.

Not until we, very reluctantly, arrange for a portal to open for even a limited form of inspection, will the rest of us be able to let go of being lost in the abyss.  

We have Mach’s Principle and then we have Fermi’s paradox. We just have to put them together in a slightly creative manner.

Is that asking for too much?



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I think nothing has done more damage to our being than monotheism.

Just awful stuff.

Awful.

Muppets follow strong men and women.

Muppets have saviors.

Muppets belong to political parties.

Muppets believe in their own personal god.

Machines.

Life is so much more multi-faceted and colorful than our small minds allow.

Big hearts live life best.

No prophets/saviors needed or wanted.

Save yourself.

Prophecies are for the small minded.

None of that is allowed in the Garden.

On my world there are no such things as eschatologists.

The real key to life is through the heart where I live.

I have no idea what Dan is talking about or where he lives.

I don’t live anywhere near the earth he and his birds occupy.  

Many worlds indeed.

8 billion of them.

He doesn’t know my language.

We have had a profound failure to communicate.

8 billion of them say you?

Worlds?

Dan sayz and sayz Dan every personz is a portal!

Every man and woman is a star.

You two seem to communicate just fine.

J,

I agree that BBL loves nothing more than to exaggerate our differences.

Others have noted that I lose interest, if anyone agrees too much.

BBL pretends to be a radical postmodernist.



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A special guest will Arrive. He will be travelling through the Hive. He will speak but remain Unlive.

At the upcoming Tasseography, special guest will buzz like a Bee. While the wisemen will sip their tea, the guest will set them Free.

dan wrote:J,

I agree that BBL loves nothing more than to exaggerate our differences.  

Others have noted that I lose interest, if anyone agrees too much.  

BBL pretends to be a radical postmodernist.  



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Ha!

True, we aren’t really that far apart.

I just like to add some dramedy now and then.

Our tasseography is strong Dan.

I’d put us up against any muppet on earth.

Few have been deeper or higher.

But there is no need to see the future.

No peeking now.

Isn’t a surprise so much better?!

And if there is nothing else when your eyes close for good, we won’t know it.

Now that is the best of all possible worlds!

That’s living with no net!

Love it!

That’s the only way this bunny hops, clueless to the end.

Those trying to scry the future are lost in time.

Poor lost muppets.

I like to hear the whisper right as I put my foot down to take the next step.

That’s living!

I’m up in the mountains ️ Dan.

I’ll call ya sometime when I come down from Heaven.

I see, then I suppose that you must find me very interesting Dan.

Well, I am finding John Horgan interesting.

He was clearly seeing the end of scientific materialism.

He is subsequently picking up on rational mysticism.

His focus on individual mystical experiences puts him rather close to picking up on personalism.  

Actually, it may have been his personal mystical experience that put him on to the end of scientific materialism.

By the way, I’ve not had such an experience….. but I find the ones I hear about to be rather compelling.

It’s fair to say that I’ve had a cosmic gestalt switch.  

Well, I came up with the Anthropic, prophetic Narrative……. leading up to a cosmic gestalt switch, five years later……. with a full blown Eschaton……. well, kingdom come!  

That was when I was able to embrace a full blown personalism……. and geocentrism……. there logically had to be a Sun and a round Earth with a night sky…….

There had to be something in the night sky , besides the Moon…….. it was about Mach and Olber.

I can wonder how close John H has ever come to the small world.

I truly don’t understand the block that BBL and Mr J have on the small world.  

Mysticism is totally epiphenomenal in the big world.  

Mysticism should be the royal road to personalism and geocentrism.

Personalism goes nowhere without a Narrative, evidently.

You would think that mysticism, on its own, might bring on a small world.

But no, the jguy is essential.  

That is the poison pill that the mystics choke on……. but that is the historical source of all personalism.  

Otherwise you get lost in pantheism.  

Pantheism has never gone anywhere.

Does humanity need to be saved?  

You betcha!  

We need to be saved from our fascination with the material world.  

That fascination is the misdirection of our mystical Being.  

Without that fascination, we could have had no Narrative.

Who needs a Narrative?  

10^10 of us definitely needed a Narrative.  

With a small world, we do need a big Narrative…… with a kingdom Come……. to be one with the One.

The illusion of our individuality is essential.

The mystic understands that illusion like none other.  

That’s why our Buddha buddy was also essential.

Think of the notion of Buddhahood.

That is a rather serious personalism.

The jguy gave us the Alpha and Omega……. our cosmic orientation….. the whole point of our Sapience!  

Our sapience is a bitter pill to swallow.  

The jguy told us how……. and why…….. and when.  

Wait for it…….  !!

We had to be truly lost, before we could be truly found.  

It was gonna take every second of two thousand years.  
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Yes, John Horgan definitely keeps the mystical dimensions at arm’s length…….. and that makes his writings all the more compelling.  

It’s not clear, however, whether the notion of a geocentric world ever even occurs to him……. difficult though that may be to believe.  
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Then we have……… Between Being and Time: From Ontology to Eschatology.  (2018)

In the Introduction…….

“Who will lay hold on the human heart to make it still,” Augustine asked, “so that it can see how eternity, in which there is neither future nor past, stands still and dictates future and past times? Can my hand have the strength for this? (Gen. 31:29). Can the hand of my mouth by mere speech achieve so great a thing?

Hmmm ……….  ?
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https://resourcesforchristiantheology.org/towards-an-eschatological-ontology/  Alpha = Omega……. Omega necessarily contains the Alpha.

See particularly the book of Hebrews.

This is what relationalism is all about……. being strongly biased towards the future……. past time being illusory.  

This is what faith is about.  

Do we become slaves to the future?  

We become slaves to Faith.

Everything is a microcosm…… everything contains the Omega.

Certainly the Logos does.  

How then do atoms?  

Atoms take their substance from the Anthropic Principle.

This is how the Measurement problem is resolved.

How then do we make sense of entropy?

Entropy is where we land when we fall off the path…… the Abyss.



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