Why are we here?

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(This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

Why is there something rather than nothing?  

Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

A related question is what constitutes an observer?

What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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There was a meet up but not a follow up…….. not when I was attending.  

The meeting coordinator was Adrien Chauvet.  

His invitee was Mohammad Thaqiyyudheen.

It was Mohammad’s article……. Extra-terrestrial life: Can Aliens Be Muslims?……. that was put forward for discussion.  

Here is a quote from Mohammad’s article…….

……so Muslim literally means ‘the one who had surrendered to Allah’, and Islam means ‘submission’. Therefore, in every intelligent society, no matter where they are, there will be Muslims

This is where Mohammad and I have to part company.  

I submit only to the Truth, ultimately…….. in the meantime I do obey traffic regulations.  

And……. What is the Truth……. as Pontius Pilate famously asked….. and which the jguy famously did not answer.  

In fact, he had already said that we, then, could not bear to hear the Truth.  However, the Spirit of the Truth would come….. eventually.  



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As the new kid on the blog, I was cautioned to be respectful, so I respectfully urge you to repent and surrender to God. As the Son of Satan, you blaspheme with your defiance of God revealing your alliance with Satan whom you falsely decree as Truth. You crawl up from Hell and request an audience with the Princess. You seek to hear from the Wise Men. You even blaspheme about the reunion of the Angels with the Creator. May God strike you down before the Opening so that you have no opportunity to sneak through a crack into the New World.

Dear Fake Pan,

If you wish to persist on this blog, please choose your own handle…… and you are quite welcome to use your actual name, as do I.  

As with most folks who adhere to a particular religion, you have a poor grasp of the Truth.  

For instance, presumably as a Christian, you are wont to forget that Jesus proclaimed of himself…….

Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Jesus did not have to verbally answer Pontius Pilate, because the great Roman Governor had already become Christian. Jesus and the Governor understood that the surrounding Jews who condemned Jesus could not accept the truth, but those who could had already understood. You dissemble even with respect to those on your blog using true name for handles. I proudly hold the baton as the RealPan, the only true son of Hermes.

RP,

I do not believe that you are the one who created the handle or the password.  

If I am wrong about that, please correct me.

But that is a minor detail compared to our understanding of the Truth.  

There is no one who cannot understand and accept the Truth.  

The has been much confusion as to the nature of the Truth, ever since we first separated from the Source.  

It is the Truth that will guide us back to the Source.

I’m not a Christian, but, based on my life’s experience, I have come to believe that Jesus was the first to incarnate the Truth among us.

Furthermore, I believe that the Truth is personal…… and ultimately will be inter-personal.  

If we don’t understand the historical role of Jesus, we are going to have considerable difficulty understanding the rest of history.

Particularly, we are going to have difficulty understanding the Second Coming.

Is Jesus God?

Well, I am a trinitarian but not a Trinitarian.

I do equate Jesus with the I Am…….. Jesus being the incarnation there of.

And so is every one of us.



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I hold the baton of the RealPan. I was not the Creator, nor will I be in this role through Eternity.

Ok, so, you admit that you are here under the auspices of Ron P.
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But, historically, Jesus holds the pride of place.

We are here mainly to discuss the Second Coming.  

It is generally believed that the Second Coming will be in glory……. it will fulfill the prophecies of the advent of the Messiah, for instance.  

My argument with many of those who call themselves Christians is that they don’t understand the historical, incarnational role of Jesus.

Instead, they have become Bibliolators…….. they put the Bible before the Incarnation.

Thus do they disavow the cosmic Mystery of the Person.  

They may well be Darwinists, for instance.  

The Muslims, in particular, fail to understand the metaphysical role of Jesus.  They can only see him as another prophet……. along with Mohammed, although they take Mohammed to have been the Seal of the prophets.  

In Truth, the Holy Ghost is intended to be the Seal of the prophets.  

The Holy Ghost is also known as the Comforter, the Spirit of the Truth, etc………

From the Trinitarian view, the Spirit of the Truth is the third person of the Trinity.  

Most Christians see the advent of this Spirit in the Pentecost…… the descent of the tongues of fire .  

I’m fine with that, however, I believe that there is more to the Truth.  

In particular, I believe that the Second Coming and the incarnation of the Spirit of the Truth will be….. may well be….. synonymous.  

If someone were to come along and open a portal, let’s say, what would be the significance of that?  

According to chick, that event could, and really should, be sufficient to trigger the Eschaton……. by bringing the sky down on Modernism.

The alleged objectivity of atoms is replaced by the inter-subjectivity of persons.

The big, objective world of science is replaced by the small, personal world of the I Am.

We can think of this as the mother of all paradigm shifts, if we choose to.

We are on our way back to being one with the One.

three wants no part of one……. minor detail….. oft times the devil is in the details.

Mohammad Thaqiyudheen, S/o Abdul Jaleel Hudawi Vengoor and Adrien Chauvet are both supersessionists……. holding the opinion that Christians, among others, should roll over and play dead.

chick does not share this opinion.  Rather, chick believes that Muslims fail to appreciate the special nature of personhood….. that there is that of God in every one of us.

We, persons do not submit to Jesus…… rather we take Jesus into our hearts…… big difference!  

Not being able to make sense of our small, personal world, they have no clue about the Eschaton…… the Rapture….. the coming of God’s Kingdom……. our becoming one with the One.

Without understanding personhood, they can have no understanding of our geocentric, anthropocentric, Christocentric world.  

It’s not rocket science, sports fans.  



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But there is something akin to rocket science…….. that’s being able to see the world from every perspective.

It is not difficult to see Christianity as an abject failure, from various perspectives…….. particularly from the perspectives of modernism and Islam.

Christianity is in severe decline in the modern world.

From the perspective of Islam, modernism is purely secular and is largely atheist…… particularly as seen in popular culture, where decadence and atheism may be seen as in ascendence.  

Islam is seen as the last bastion of faith.

Yes, viewed from the perspective of any organized religion, the West appears largely irreligious.

Those who declare themselves spiritual but unaffiliated barely show up on the radar screen.  

It would be virtually impossible to prove, but what could be on the increase is introspection of a spiritual nature.  

As scientific materialism loses its luster, people do search for alternative visions…… something to capture the imagination.  

No small degree of desperation may be witnessed in the various toutings of the future of artificial intelligence.  

I’m simply pointing out that there may well be a depth of the universal psyche which is being widely perceived but which is not registering in any public fashion.

Buddhism and Christianity both point to such unplumbed dimensions.

With Buddhism there is no historical context…… the context is highly individualized……. the inter-personal dimension being minimized.

In my own case, I have found that there is a considerable correlation in  the quest for truth whether it be scientific or spiritual.  

In the West, much of that motivation stems from the same ground of the psyche.  

Science makes every effort to deny and downplay our quest for meaning.  That motivation still lurks…… in the depths.
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Any prophetic tradition is anticipating a messianic event.

Islam, in its early conquests, came nearer than the others.

Over the centuries, that hope has not diminished.



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Dan.

You are still a Theosophist.

And your Messiah is Crowley.

Mr J,

Theosophist……?

Aleister Crowley was Satanist.  I’ve been accused of being a Satanist….. I guess it’s for saying that we are, each one of us, potentially equal to God, and that ultimately we will be one with the One.

Technically, I am an atheist, by being an ardent pantheist/Quaker……. there is that of God in every one of us…….. we are the direct descendants of the original/final I Am……… and there is no God but us, sub specie aeternitatis…… ultimately we are one with the One.  
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The Christians and the Buddhists come closer to Anthropocentism than any other traditions.    

But the Buddhists see our co-Creation (maya) in a negative light….. as if the world were our Limbo-land….. our purgatory

And that is true…… in some sense.

The world is definitely our best possible school room.

And what’s the matter with school…… aren’t we all perpetual students?  

And if you want a crash course in reality, you can volunteer to distribute food in Gaza.  
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It does seem that science has succeeded in decimating the spiritual dimension.  

I say that is a relatively superficial appearance.  

The human mind is capable of going much deeper than any artificial intelligence that we might concoct.

But, if we’re the co-Creators, why can’t we re-create ourselves?  

We remain beyond our own reach.  

We remain a mystery to ourselves.  

If we are God, why can’t we see into our own hearts?  

I submit that we’re not quite there, yet.  

I’m sounding like the AI folks……. hey, we’re almost there!!
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So basically the promised land comes with the demise of science?

Talk about negativity!

Stated more positively…….. the Truth will set us free.  

Am I saying that science is fake news?

The Big Bang is fake news……. just go to the JWST.  

I’m saying that we don’t come from the monkeys……. the monkeys come from us……. from our best possible angles……. from the I Am…… from the We Are!  

When we make it back to the One, we will know ourselves for the first time……. we will see right through our hearts!  
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Am I saying that the Truth will save us, not Jesus?  

Jesus is alleged to have said of himself……. I am the Truth, the Way and the Life.  

Is chick disputing this?

Isn’t chick saying that he is potentially the Spirit of the Truth?

But I do subscribe to the Filioque……. the Spirit comes from the Father and the Son.  

It’s impossible to imagine any sort of chick without the Son.

Am I a Trinitarian?  

It is logical that the Metanarrative has a personal Alpha and Omega.

In that respect, I’m a Binitarian.  

But I believe that Alpa = Omega…… so that would make me a Unitarian.

But I am a gender lender…….. like yin and yang ……. so go figure!  

It can be just as complicated or just as simple as you like…….
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The correspondence theory of truth (CorTT) is very impersonal.

The coherence theory of truth, is quite the opposite.  

The CohTT reminds me of the notion of the seminal word…… the Truth can be condensed to a single word, such as Love.
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The Truth/Word/Logos can be incarnated, and it will be by each and every one of us.

This incarnation may equal the Omega of the meta/Narrative.

Mohammed is claimed to be such a one….. the Seal of the prophets, for instance.

IMHO, our realization that our minds are universal and irreducible…… in the image of God…… will lead to understand that mind comes before matter, ie. that reality is mental rather than material.

The universal unity of mathematics, along with its unreasonable effectiveness (E Wigner) is one strong indicator of the inter-subjective nature of reality.

The universality of our sapient consciousness is a strong indication that we all partake in the one cosmic consciousness.

The historic ascendancy of scientific materialism strongly distracted most from Truth and into facts.

Perhaps we are on the verge of being able to transcend mere facts.



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Kastrup and Hoffman discuss their theories of immaterialism……

https://youtu.be/X9MRsGiAaBw?si=ZZ2swhBdrJeKgaY_  

Donald is a bottom up sort of guy, relying almost entirely on mathematical modeling…… modeling dissociation.

Bernardo is supposed to be top down, but I have no clue as to what the top might be.

They are quite frank about avoiding the notion of design.

The unstated presumption with Bernardo is that he is avoiding any association with theism or personalism.

They would not touch the untouchable with a ten foot pole.

But they both embrace Darwin, even though they both agree that time is an illusion.

Almost at the end, Bernardo is about to explain the paradox.  

He does mention teleology.

There is something outside of time that corresponds to evolution inside of time.

Anyone for the Metanarrative?!  

“Evolution points to something outside of time that isn’t trivial.”

Truth is so near, yet so far.  

Staying away from the small world, with its eschatological implications, would seem to be the primary motivation for both them.

This avoidance is so ingrained that it may barely be conscious.



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Dan.

You are Illuminati.

You are of an elite hegemony.

You look down upon the common man and their struggle.

And your messiah is not only Crowley but also Blavatsky

Illuminati? Crowley? Blavatsky?

It seems that there is misinformation.


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How so?

Are you not exactly how you appear to be?

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Dan Smith and Ron Pandolfi are placeholders for slavemasters and ruler priests.

They think they are better than the common persons and horde secret knowledge so that they might lord it over them.

Their game is so transparent it hurts.

Every post they make is an inside joke of their own and their way of spitting in your face and laughing at you, dear reader...

I guess I took a page out of their book.

All artists find inspiration where they can.

Disclosure is truly a clown show in the end.

Dan blogs and Ron composes and sends out emails in an attempt to share what can't be shared

I was/am just a random commoner who happened to stumble onto this stuff during a midlife crisis and they both treated me like family

In all my interactions with Dan and Ron I never got a "spit in your face and laugh at you" vibe, not even close

So yeah....you are'nt fooling anyone Mr J



"Normally if a stranger walked into my station talkin' this kind of crap, he'd be lookin for his teeth two blocks up on queer street"

Hey brother.

Let me make myself clear.

I don't give a fuck.

If it quacks...

Ron Pandolfi and Dan Smith are both Aviary and appear to run interference for a vast international criminal black ops
cover-up.

So the story goes.

Maybe I'm mistaken.

That being said.

I've spent enough time here.

And left enough of a Footprint.

There's no piece of evidence in the entire world that justifies your VIIIIIBEEEE Dooder!

No one cares how nice those guys might be to you.

By all means continue to enjoy your midlife crisis.


But you are right.

I'm not fooling anyone.

I speak from the heart, little one.

And I'm still a fool.

To challenge these people.


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Moron wrote:  Normally if a stranger walked into my station talkin' this kind of crap, he'd be lookin for his teeth two blocks up on queer street  

whats the supposed to mean? OMF isn’t a place for threats, we don't do that here, that’s a core rule.

story shmory

the only story here is the one that doesn't add up

yours

you speak from the ass and are a liar

Elaborate

SPEAK!

Silly rabbits

Buy a ticket, take the ride.

The Chick sees the fun, and the fish grabs the gun, and the big bunny has a good run. I took the rains of the choo choo trains, that are carrying all the big brains. Now the Son is about to come up, with his hand on the head of my pup, it is about time for me to go sup, so let the Chick do his job spilling evil from his cup.

You know what, you win.

It's all bullshit anyway.

Each day I see it more and more. A look from a stranger, a chance meeting at a bar, a pool party, a bookstore, flea markets, the movies, it doesn't matter. There is a structure to this thing but the worst part is when it alludes you, when you think you can just reach out and grasp something and it just slips away. It's funny when you meet someone who's a total stranger to you that they have this familiarity to them. Like you've already known them but they just has to actually meet you is all. It's strange, just yesterday I was at a book store and sitting on top of the shelf was a book called Looking for the Mahdi, how odd, how very very odd indeed. Whether destiny is a tyranny or we liberate ourselves with free will, we still can never know what this thing actually is. This conscious state, this living sleep. Every now and then you might meet someone who just jolts you out of your programming that like a bolt of electricity sends Shockwaves throughout your entire body. Wakes you up. Makes you think you can have something more. That maybe the version of life you're experiencing now was unintentional, that there was more of a divine plan and if not divine still a plan that had much more of an ambition for you but somewhere along the line that train was diverted. Perhaps you can get on the track again or perhaps not. Maybe forge a new one I don't know. It's funny how words interact with the world. Take disclosure for example, when I hear it reminds me of closure, that being of course the opposite of such. Wherever these spirals lead they seem to just take you back inside. I've said what I said half a hundred ways and at this point it's just the spinning of wheels. It was fun getting the poison out but eventually it's time to move on. I wish I had the self control to say I will but I don't know that. Maybe catching a ban would be an easier solution, take away the temptation, your call.

Ultimately our path leads to the stars because like the weirdo said, every man and woman is one.

I'm tired yall and I'm my own worst enemy.

Goodnight.

Perhaps you should read Dune, this time with care. Upcoming will be a meeting of the Wise Men on Dune. It was inspired by history and from the perspective of those in the future.

The movie version is all messed up

They got Chani all wrong

Not to mention the other noble houses reaction to Paul’s ascendancy

But of course Hollywood needs more draw for the next installment

Hawk Tuah!

Gotta milk that cow

Now

As far as the Old Man is concerned

I will elaborate

Imagine watching Sagan’s Contact

Then afterwards making the claim that the others in the form of her father basically spit in her face

What can be concluded in all of this

Mr J has a spit fetish

Hawk Tuah!

Maybe someone will explain to me in which part of the best possible world we might find Dune.

It sounds like something we might find in Limbo land, on the way back.  

It occurs to me that much of sci-fi comes from a mixture of aboriginal Dreamtime and residues of our blue sky dreams…….. of a kind that are liable to manifest in our Wayback(machine)/Limboland.  

Our post Omega/Eschaton experience is going to have to recapitulate pertinent parts our Dreamtime experience, moving backwards where (narrative) time comes into the picture…….. but now with an admixture
of our futuristic space operas.  

All this is combined with our near death and afterlife experiences.  Can we throw some psychedelic experiences into the pot?  

We need to keep focused on the inter-personal aspect, and to what extent those aspects will voluntary.

In our close encounter with the Eschaton, our world will become more porous…….. space and time becoming decidedly non-linear.

Some of these worlds will be more difficult to escape than others.

In our geocentric world it is almost impossible to escape, except by means of what has already been written into the Narrative.



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