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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by dan Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:09 pm

    We might think of death as the mother of all disentanglements.  

    But, no, it keeps societies in a constant state of flux.

    chick 🐣 doesn’t happen to believe in the biophysics of dna 🧬, but he does believe in the metaphysics of the seminal logos.  

    This is the heart of metabolism.  

    All of metabolism is structured around the seminal event…….. at the nucleus of family dynamics.

    This dynamics adheres to the cosmogenesis……. we being the microcosmic co-Creators.

    I have to admit to not having a clear picture of the advent of gender…… but there is a logical necessity, just the same.

    The I Am has a necessary social dimension.

    And that dimension is necessarily binary.

    I just don’t have it choreographed into the Metanarrative.
    ………


    The primordial MPD/Schiz event will not have to have a binary dimension.

    The seminal dimension is not necessarily intimate…… but it sure works out that way…… not too badly!  

    The binary intimacy is a big piece of family stability…… such as it is!  

    In other words, the cosmic yin-yang ☯ may not be cosmic, after all.

    It’s more a question of microcosmic logistics.

    The primordial Olympiad could well take on this dimension, after the fact.  
    ………


    We are working our way into metabolism through the back door…… or is this the front door……. the royal road!?  

    The seminal logos is sure getting itself fleshed out!  

    When/how do the atoms ⚛ come into this picture?  

    Ideas about atoms first appear around 700BC in India.

    This is epistemology.  What about ontology?  

    I continue to hold that they are inter subjective, as are we.

    Electronic components are produced near atomic dimensions.

    The laws of physics are entangled in the global psyche.

    We exist as essential to the cosmic bootstrap between Creator and co-Creators.

    I see no particular time frame for atoms.

    They have always been entangled…… between phenomenology, metabolism and technology.

    Phenomenal aspects of photons have always existed.

    Photo-electric cells simply broaden the entanglement.

    All this entanglement will make it more difficult for the portals to open.

    Won’t they be frozen shut?

    We have come a long way from the Dreamtime.

    As we approach the Omega focus of our temporal ellipse…… various switches are going to get flipped.

    It can be argued that this is happening already.

    There is plenty of camouflage and subtlety.

    But this particular time has been our focus for Eternity.

    With the chaos, things appear haphazard.

    Don’t let the appearances fool you……. but that’s exactly what they are intended to do.



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    Post by dan Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:51 pm

    The basic question of philosophy…….. why is there something rather than nothing?  

    I think it stands to reason that there could not have been nothing.

    Yes, a void can exist, but only in relation to something else.

    The impossibility of just nothing certainly points to the relationality of all existence.

    The mind, for instance, is exquisitely relational.

    The observer problem in physics also points in this direction.

    And the fact that observation cannot take place outside of some context points us towards a sapient observer……. not just to some sentient device, for instance.  

    To be slightly more empathetic, the observers cannot be isolated.

    There must be something inter-personal and transpersonal.

    Many call for a cosmic observer……. even a Creator.

    Some splendidly isolated Creator, denies the relativity of existence, and also denies Occam’s razor.

    I see no reason why we, taken together, cannot be sufficient…….. as long as we allow for a robust transpersonal dimension.

    What else might we infer about our minimal existence?

    What might be our minimal Dreamtime?



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    Post by dan Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:47 pm

    I had two significant disappointments this weekend.  

    The first was yesterday when I finally managed to see Christopher Munch’s 11th Green……. a fictionalized account of Eisenhower’s alleged meeting with an alien alien at Edward’s air base.

    It was all about covering up an alleged technology transfer.

    The lengthy UFO paper by Bernardo Kastrup was sent to me last night by ftgm.

    Bernardo claims to be an immaterialist, and the ufo phenomenon is Earth based……. the Silurian hypothesis……. but it mainly concerns a highly advanced technology.

    This seems a strange hypothesis for an immaterialist.



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    Post by dan Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:08 am

    You know what I just figured out…….?

    Folks are looking for a wondrous story…….

    And we have a wondrous story.  

    Can we make it stick?

    We can, but we’re all going to need an ounce of faith……..

    …… maybe even two ounces!

    And, guess what……. we all have two ounces….. sports fans!

    A lot of folks don’t understand this, yet.  

    They don’t understand the spirit……. of the law.

    They don’t understand the spirit of the Universe!  

    They see the Katechon.  

    They don’t see the Eschaton!  

    They are afraid of the Eschaton!  

    Who, in their right mind, wouldn’t be?  

    Who wouldn’t be afraid 😱 of the portals opening?  

    Yes, we all know what we have to fear most……..

    Every one has at least one hang up.

    Some of us have two.

    But every one of us has a dream.  

    We shall overcome!  

    But do we have 10^10 dreams…… or do we have One?  

    How are we all gonna get on the same dream?  

    That would be a trick…… wouldn’t it?  

    We are all afraid to let down our guard 💂‍.  

    We are all afraid we’re gonna let down our guard.  
    ……….  


    One time, two told me that I wouldn’t believe who was reading the blog.  

    Well, but I can believe……… hon!  

    But more important than that, I want to believe!  

    And I’m not afraid to express this desire.  

    Two also told me…….. yes, Dan, we have a phenomenological problem.  

    Ok, but, then, is it not also the case that we have a phenomenological opportunity?  

    Well, and how deep does this phenomenon go?  

    And do we have a drop dead 💀 time?  

    chick 🐣 believes that we do.

    We can go out feet 👣 first…… or we can go out head first.  

    It’s pretty much up to us.  

    But is there any question as to which would be the best way to go?



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    Post by RealPan Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:43 pm


    Who reads the blog?

    He does. She does.

    Who reads the blog.

    You do. They do.

    Who reads the blog.

    Others do. Others do.

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    Post by dan Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:08 am

    I have been told that folks do read the blog…… some with, generally, recognizable names.  

    I have been told the ‘Congressional’ hearings were not actually so.  

    An official Congressional hearing would be hearing from currently employed officials.

    In that stead, individual members of Congress get individual briefings….. and there are closed hearings, of course.  

    This came in response to my statement that the public hearings had hit a dead end.  

    The public hearings were pretty much staged by Hal Puthoff and Kit Green.

    Hal has been active in this arena since the Seventies, following his stint with Scientology.  

    He and Kit have been able to maintain much of that methodology……. especially in regard to funding.  

    Nonetheless, there are folks who have a need to know……. just not that many………. yet.  

    Tasseography continues………

    chick 🐣 is able to ensure that eschatology has a spot at the table.  

    It does stand to reason…… what is the next priority item?  

    The core story has a spot at the table.  

    What else are we about?  

    Hey, it’s all just personal.

    And there is Hypnotta, of course, too, progressing along nicely…… per Doug.  

    And then there is Bernardo Kastrup who is much closer to pantheism, while he claims to be an immaterialist.

    Last Saturday, Bernardo, for the first time, published his thoughts on Ufology….. UAPs and Non-Human Intelligence: What is the most reasonable scenario?  https://www.bernardokastrup.com/?m=1

    He claims to have had childhood experiences, and has been consulting with other ufologists…… including Hal, in particular.

    Again, the emphasis is on the technology, and he refers to the Silurian hypothesis.  

    The phenomenon is Earth oriented, being inter-dimensional……. but he has no problem with deep space and deep time.
    …….


    I’ve had lengthy conversations with Doug and ftgm.  

    They both agree that even if the eschatology angle is not in the running, it demands and deserves our attention, prior to our moving on to other topics.  

    It deserves to get a fair hearing from the four of us.

    ftgm is not one of the four, by the way.
    ……….  


    Eric G points to…….. https://youtu.be/aAlaRdrcQcY?si=kLu5HXFoe8xylSjp  (2014).
    It is a video about Terrence McKenna’s life……. The Transcendental Object at the End of Time……. Eric points to around 2:47 hours into the video.  

    Terrence died in 2000, but the phrase is his.

    I’m not sure that ‘Object’ is the right word, however.  

    I’m doubtful that Terrence ever dealt with objects.

    He was dealing with the transpersonal, however……. yes, the ‘Eschaton’.



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    Post by dan Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:12 pm

    My feeling is that the Eschaton will remain our priority item, until it can be properly addressed and dispensed with.

    Besides having its global context, it may well have some sort of personal context.



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    Post by dan Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:39 am

    If the I Am can arise once, why can it not arise again?  

    One answer is that it doesn’t arise…….. in the first place…… or the last place, for that matter.  

    Yes, we do have a hard time understanding that time is subjective……. any more or less than space.  

    Didn’t Einstein point to the objectivity of space-time……. with the four dimensions?  

    Yes, General Relativity spelled the end of the Kantian view that space was mainly just a logically necessary construct of the mind.  

    Albert did, and many others continue to, have an enormous problem with the subjectivity of the Quantum.  

    Yes, with personalism, it appears that we need to revisit Kant’s understanding of space and time.  

    First, maybe we’d better figure out where Manny stood with Personhood……..

    Mainly, Manny understood that Personhood transcended biology 🧬.  

    Where Kant had difficulty was with God.

    He was an absolutist about God.

    Kant and Hegel may have shared this Absolutism.

    Another problem is that Manny was a Correspondent about Truth.

    Perhaps this is Manny’s biggest lacuna…… he didn’t grasp the CohTT.

    He put God on a pedestal, like everyone else.  

    The CohTT points to the core of personhood……. it points to the seminal Logos.  

    What is the seed of space and time?  

    The Quantum may point to the Seed……. which, in turn, points to the I Am.  

    What then is the Pratityasamutpada?  

    Well, the Prati points to the yin-yang ☯.



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    Post by dan Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:55 pm

    After forty years of research, I’m finding that the best way to latch on to contemporary work is simply to google ‘eschatology kant’.  

    Here’s an example……. The Eschatological Turn in Early 20th-Century German Philosophy by Judith Wolfe……. https://research-repository.st-andrews.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/10023/21032/Wolfe_2018_MT_Eschatologicalturn_AAM.pdf?sequence=1



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    Post by dan Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:03 am

    Is eschatology coming back in fashion?  

    Would that be a bit of a surprise?  

    However, if two is correct about who three is talking to, it would not be such a big surprise.

    Is word getting around that the JWST is definitely not seeing deep space or deep time……. it’s pretty much fake news?  

    Would this advanced notice be changing behavior?  

    Would behavior be improving in certain circles?  

    It is possible.

    Perhaps I misspoke……. perhaps the JWST is just catching up, too.

    What does this say about the imminence of Disclosure?  

    Is it breathing down our necks?  

    I wouldn’t discount it.

    Hey, I might be the last one that anyone would tell!  

    It is even possible that the Grey Lady is not so far behind.

    Then where is donny?

    Is he getting ready to throw in the towel?  

    How is academia going to react?

    Claudine Gay might have been near the middle of all that…… and maybe still is.

    donny was definitely on the line.

    Maybe he didn’t react fast enough.

    Maybe that’s where Pocahontas is……. or what’s her name….. Nikki.
    ………..


    I think we might want to take a look at…… https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-religion/

    This may be where some stuff has been happening.

    Even immy was having some second thoughts.  

    ……. especially in his Postumum.  

    So the Grey Lady’s 2017 Tic-Tak article may have been intended to be the signal…… despite its otherwise lack of anything to do with the inside.  

    So, Disclosure may be rather like a ufo 🛸……. they tend to look 👀 a lot bigger from the inside, than they do from the outside.  

    So Ron may have been correct ✅ in assessing the continuance of Disclosure, despite the appearance of the Congressional hearings having hit the wall.
    ……..


    So, is this newfound Disclosure getting folks nearer to the Core Story?  

    I suspect that it would.  

    Folks would be getting beyond the Hal Puthoff story……. and maybe so is Hal……… if Hal was ever really on to his own story.  

    And all of this is just by word of mouth.  

    OMF, however, might be not too far off the beaten path.  

    So, what else is new?  

    Maybe not much…….. maybe everything……

    What would this say about the Opening?  

    Could the Earth 🌎 turn itself inside out, and no one would notice?  

    Maybe that’s the whole point!  

    Concave Earth……. here we come!  

    Or is it……..  here we are?!

    Who then gets to be the biggest fool?

    I’m still holding out for donny, with my money being on nikki.  

    Hey, she must know something…….. actuators or not!  
    Donald J. Trump is hoping for a record margin of victory. Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis are battling to finish a stronger-than-expected second.
    The jury is still out……..
    ……..


    But, yes, immy and his newfound Postumum followers may be catching some sort of a wave 🌊……. how many are in Iowa?  

    That may depend on the strength of the collective (un)conscious.  
    ……..


    Are we all watching NBC/Roku…….?

    Are we all on the same page 📄?



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    Post by RealPan Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:31 pm

    President Trump remains the only hope for disclosing Truth, while the Others will continue to disinform. Why does Mr. Smith not support disclosing Truth? Why does he prefer disingenuous degenerates? President Trump has long extended an Olive to Mr. Smith, who has of yet refused to take the offering and embrace Truth. What is it about Truth that Mr. Smith opposes?
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:55 pm

    RP,

    Former President Trump is your guy.  

    I have never refused to talk to him.

    I have never refused to talk to anyone.  

    Are you making that offer, now?

    Just let me know when and where, or how.  

    I’m happy to embrace the Truth….. but that doesn’t mean I have to embrace any particular person.  
    ……….


    If anyone wishes to tell me that personalism is not the Truth, I’ll be happy to listen to them.  

    That offer is long way, however, from my acknowledging some other Truth.
    ………….


    But I do embrace the jguy as the harbinger of personalism.  

    Is it possible to accept personalism, and deny the personal, historical role of Jesus?

    I suppose it might be possible, but I’m not aware of any examples.
    ……….


    In the meantime, it does appear that the Katechon may be reaching the point where it gives up the Ghost.

    That point need not engender headlines.

    We simply wake up one morning and realize that we are not in Kansas anymore.  

    Will the portals be open?  

    Well, the paradigm will have shifted, just by word of mouth.  

    And the clocks 🕰️ might be running backwards……. as if we would notice!  



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    Post by dan Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:09 am

    It may be that chick 🐣 has seen some light at the end of the tunnel.  

    It might be the headlamp of the onrushing Eschaton, but I don’t think that would be the best possible Eschaton.  

    The best possible Eschaton involves the marriage of the Eschaton with the Katechon.  

    And we start by marrying Tasseography with OMF…….. and thereby we gradually expand both.  

    Presently, we have four members of Tasseography.  

    How many kibitzers there are on OMF is harder to say, but, if RP speaks the truth, it is considerably more.  
    ……..


    The latest from RP is that donny has a philosophy, but joe does not.  

    Hmmm 🤔…….

    And how far is donny’s from the best possible philosophy?  

    And how far is he from the marriage in the sky…… K&E!  
    ……….


    We might take a look at Postmodernism, and see how that is faring.

    According to Wikipedia, it considers reality to be a mental construct.

    Ok, I’ll go with that……



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    Post by dan Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:12 pm

    The T & O marriage is on hold, for now.  

    three has a bit too much on her plate, for now.

    Does that mean the Eschaton is on hold?  

    I don’t think that’s even possible.  

    Designing built-holds would be totally redundant.

    I’ve used the term before, but only in a metaphorical sense.
    ………


    It seems that some information from the blog, but with some twists, has shown up on someone’s Facebook page.  

    It came to me through smelly.  

    That’s about all I know.

    With the Congressional hearings hitting a dead end, folks are bound to be sniffing around.  

    To what extent this might be a deliberate provocation, I have no clue.  

    I’m recommending that those of us, here, just sit tight for the time being.

    three has been dreading such…….. otherwise, it’s que sera.
    ……..


    As I say to Smelly, the Metanarrative is gonna play out, despite (or because of) our individual shenanigans.  

    🐐: I’m takin the lazy way. Floatin along. No fight here.

    🐣: That’s probably the best that most or all of us can do.  

    ………..


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    The text states that it has been posted on OM, although, obviously, it has not been.



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    Post by dan Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:59 am

    I’m noticing no response.  The fairly obscure posting might easily just blow over.  

    My current speculation is that the post was mainly sourced elsewhere than this blog.  

    I don’t feel called to speculate further.
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    Things are much more inter-connected down here than we could realize.  

    This inter-connection is only reflecting the personal monism of the cosmos.

    Individually, we can do all kinds of dumb things, but, taken as a whole,  the Metanarrative can work itself out.  

    It’s only in retrospect that some things appear to be written in stone.  

    The only ‘objective’ perspective is sub specie aeternitatis.  
    ………


    However, if, per chance, some reputable investigator were to contact me, some significant consultation might be in order.  

    Meanwhile, not a critter is stirring…….

    chick 🐣 has to keep coming back to trees 🌲 and stars ✨.  

    Such objects seem so objective.  

    It would seem that an immaterialist would have a snowball’s chance in hell.  

    I should reiterate that our only current immaterialist, Bernardo K, is actually hewing much closer to panpsychism.  I can hardly blame him.  

    However, if we find that the Big Bang ❗ is an illusion, what are we going to do with atoms ⚛?

    Solidity itself is a bit of a mystery……. not to be a mystagogue or anything.



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    Post by RealPan Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:14 pm

    La Princesa was very busy during the early 1970s to include many visitations before she embarked on her current journey. Her visitations with Dr. Verde, Dr. Herrera, Dr. Cajero, Dr. Pie and the Pistola de Rayos provided each with a mission along with a bond. Dr. Verde took great care in transcribing what he heard into the lyrics and melody for a song that continues to inspire millions around the world and a poster that depicts a shadow of what arrived then and will return thereafter. Dr. Herrera sought out the Pistola de Rayos and they conferred with Dr. Pie in preparation for her arrival amidst the opening act of Star Wars. That song will be playing as she meets with Others in the final Opening Act.
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    Post by RealPan Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:39 pm

    Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face
    And stars fill my dream
    I'm a traveler of both time and space
    To be where I have been
    To sit with elders of the gentle race
    This world has seldom seen
    They talk of days for which they sit and wait
    All will be revealed
    Talk in song from tongues of lilting grace
    Sounds caress my ear
    And not a word I heard could I relate
    The story was quite clear
    Oh, baby, I been blind
    Oh, yeah, mama, there ain't no denyin'
    Oh, ooh yes, I been blind
    Mama, mama, ain't no denyin', no denyin'
    All I see turns to brown
    As the sun burns the ground
    And my eyes fill with sand
    As I scan this wasted land
    Try to find, try to find the way I feel
    Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace
    Like sorts inside a dream
    Leave the path that led me to that place
    Yellow desert stream
    My shangri la beneath the summer moon
    I will return again
    As the dust that floats high in June
    We're moving through Kashmir
    Oh, father of the four winds fill my sails
    Cross the sea of years
    With no provision but an open face
    Along the straits of fear
    Oh, when I want, when I'm on my way, yeah
    And my feet wear my fickle way to stay
    Ooh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah yeah,
    But I'm down oh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah
    Yeah, but I'm down, so down
    Ooh, my baby, oh, my baby
    Let me take you there
    Come on, oh let me take you there
    Let me take you there

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    Post by RealPan Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:46 pm

    When Reagan first announced SDI on March 23, 1983, he called upon the U.S. scientists who “gave us nuclear weapons to turn their great talents to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.”

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    Post by dan Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:36 am

    There was a Tasseography meeting, yesterday, with 5 of us…….

    Tasseography Topic: "Exploring the Concept of Shangri-La: Utopia, Escapism, and the Human Imagination"  

    By the end of our almost two hour meeting we ended up with the topic of Reptilians.
    ……….


    RP,

    I very much appreciate the Led Zeppelin song of Kashmir.  

    And I appreciate that you helped us to avoid nuclear war, and helped to overthrow the Communist dictatorship.

    Your first post about Princesa is new to me, and I would certainly like to hear more.

    But, she did arrive for the opening act of Star Wars.

    And, evidently, you have more information about about a future meeting with the others.  I’m sure we’d like to hear more……!
    ………..


    Back to the Reptiles……..

    The Princess had virtually nothing to say about them, but the other three assumed that they were a significant part of the cosmic mix, and that we should be prepared to consider them as having equal status with us.  

    The other three…… Sarah, Doug and Rob were quite prepared to argue on behalf of the Reptiles.

    Anthropomorphic Reptiles figure prominently in ancient religions and mythology…….. and certainly in contemporary fiction.  

    They also figure in numerous encounter reports.

    To some extent, we should consider the little green men as being reptilian.  

    There seemed to be little concern as to whether the Reptilians might be extraterrestrial or ultra-terrestrial.

    Generally I support the existence of angels 👼 and demons, however I don’t consider them to be children of God.

    We might consider them to be the spawn of God.

    One might speak of Archangels as being contemporaneous with the Source…….. members of the primordial Olympiad.  

    As, such, they belong to our anthropocentric cosmos.

    Reptilians, however, would be a whole other matter.  

    Would they not have a separate Source?  

    How would they relate to the concept of family love……. which, in turn, is central to the notion that God is love?  

    The Reptilians would simply be outside of the central cosmic loop.  

    Yes, they could be strong figments of our collective imagination.  

    But I don’t see how they could be an essential feature of our level playing field.  

    How would they be essential to the BPW?  

    Very many, diverse creatures are collectively essential to our whole ecosystem….. but none of them are individually, as a particular species, essential.  
    Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
    Have we forgotten the essence of our existence?  
    ……….


    But let us come back to the topic suggested by the Princess……. "Exploring the Concept of Shangri-La: Utopia, Escapism, and the Human Imagination"  

    Yes, this is a philosophical topic, in keeping with the notion of Tasseography.



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    Dan. for clarity we need our terms to align and to be understood, so going forward, Disclosure for me is as I said on our talk, the disclosing to our fellow earthly humans that we are not the only ones . We have great suspicions, rumor and ideas about this but...
    we can certainly expand on that.
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    Post by dan Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:26 pm

    Doug and I just got off a lengthy conversation.  

    He is certainly willing to entertain the possibility that the best possible cosmos could be personal.  

    And ours could be the best possible history leading up to the opening of the portals.
    ………


    So, yes, our ability to create families is the most important part of our status as co-Creators.

    I don’t think there would be disagreement on this.

    This is how we are created in the image of God.

    Now there are 10^10 of us.

    To have a whole other Creation of another world would not make much sense.

    How would these separate Creations be expected to interact with each other……. if at all?



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    Post by dan Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:51 am

    There was a remote meeting on Friday with 5 of us.

    The suggested topic was the concept of Shangri-La, utopia, imagination and escapism.

    I said virtually nothing for the first half hour.  

    At that point I interjected with the topic of portals.

    Just the day before had the graphic and text showed up.

    I was surprised that the meeting had not been postponed.

    I was hemming and hawing, trying not to put anyone on the spot.  

    During one of these hesitations, the subject of
    Reptilians was brought by RT, our most recent member.

    The meeting never recovered until it was cutoff after nearly two hours.

    I have since spoken at length with the two guys, and they seem amenable to moving beyond the Reptilians in particular, and beyond the notion that the only point of Disclosure is that we are not alone in the universe.  

    The two women, however, appear to feel that any further discussions should be on hold.  
    …………


    Many, if not most folks, think that the point of Disclosure is to prove that we are not alone.

    This is what most ufologists are aiming for.

    Is that something to look forward to?  

    Perhaps we will be in contact with an older and wiser race, which will tell us the secret to their longevity, when we seem to be on the brink of our own destruction.  

    This is certainly what most modernists would be looking for.

    If this elder race was also anthropomorphic, it would certainly raise questions about the presence of a teleological force.  

    This is a likely reason that many scientists are very skeptical of contact.  

    So why are these exotic creatures showing up, not infrequently, in contact experiences?  

    My speculation is that they are staged in order to keep us open to these anomalous phenomena…….. in a way that a conventional ghost might not.  

    If our co-creative ability were strictly channeled into conventional or consensual directions, our imaginations would become atrophied.
    …………


    So it may be that we all have the wrong idea that Disclosure will necessarily be a mass phenomenon.  

    There is, then, unlikely to be mass opening of the portals……. something to be avoided at all costs.  

    Why then would this have been stated with such confidence?  

    This is all part of keeping us actively guessing, rather than having it imposed from the top down.      

    This is a perfect match for the social media.

    The scenario will be a prime example of postmodernism……. except that now cosmology will become a crucial part of the unfolding, and the pluralism will gradually be attenuated.

    If, indeed, this is the best possible rapture or Eschaton, we will each have to come to that conclusion on our own.

    Is this why one of us is being so diffident?  

    Very likely, in my estimation.  
    ……..  


    What may actually be on the other side is not a one size fits all, but, at least, initially, it will be rather compartmented, like a hive, as one of us keeps saying.

    The portals will not be well defined, not in any physical sense, but will be more about our individual entanglements.  

    Our reunion will come about only as we finally approach the One……. the timing of which will be highly variable……. as if time would not already be highly non-linear.  

    But all along the path of our return to our Source, our individuality will diminish……. our quantities transform more into qualities.  

    But don’t ask me for a detailed explanation.  

    Some of our paths will clearly be more purgatorial, in nature.  

    Our various altered states of consciousness, will provide the best preview as we are likely to get……. and I’m probably mainly referring to dream states.

    Yes, we will be returning to an aboriginal Dreamtime.

    How our metabolisms will be diminished is another one of my great unknowns.

    Maybe I’m not being very helpful, but it’s not for lack of trying.



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    Post by dan Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:58 am

    It is alleged that the Princess escaped from Shangri-La.

    I had not previously heard this allegation.  

    Shangri-La is generally synonymous with utopia.  

    One might readily compare Shangri-La with the Garden of Eden……. also referred to as Paradise.  

    What motivated our departure from Eden?  

    Were we banished……… and were we banished because of our curiosity?  

    Perhaps it could be said that we escaped from Eden……. because of our curiosity.  

    Where would the best possible world be, had we not escaped?  

    One might consider Eden to be our cosmic womb……. and, yes, there was a birth trauma.  

    So here we are, and now we are considering a return to our Source.

    Has all our curiosity been satisfied?  

    Perhaps we are ready to return to Paradise……. where we will know it and ourselves for the first time.

    We would be completing the cosmic loop…… the bootstrap of the BPW.  

    Ok, if God kicked us out, we would be returning as God……. to return the Favor…….. Felix Culpa……. felicitous sin!?  

    If we took a poll, I doubt that many of us would be ready to toss in the towel.  

    Don’t we have many miles to go before we sleep 😴?  

    But there seems to be considerable confusion stalking the world.  

    If we wish to continue satisfying our curiosity, we might first need a Disclosure.  

    Much of our curiosity hinges upon the possibility that we are not alone.

    But here is chicken little saying to you that we are alone.  

    If we think about it, sports ⚽ fans, in the best possible world, we would be, virtually, alone.  

    Really, now?

    Yes, chick 🐣 claims that the best possible world would be centered on love 💗.  

    And is not our world centered on love?  

    There would be many to dispute that assertion, but also many to agree.  

    And, if it isn’t, it certainly should be.  

    The are a lot of families in the world, and most would agree that families strive for love.  

    So what about other worlds and other creatures?  

    They are entirely figments of our very active imaginations.  

    Along those lines, some of the most active imaginations are in the scientific community.  

    These scientific imaginations are being fostered by the belief that we are here by accident……. a sort of accident that they have to suppose is rather common in the universe.  

    Much to their chagrin, they have found no evidence of such, so their imaginations have kicked in.  

    But let me not be too disparaging of the scientists……. they have had a crucial role to play in the choreography of the best possible world.

    Just off the top, they will have a difficult time understanding that the starry sky played a crucial role as the background for that choreography, and so did the dinosaur 🦖 fossils, for that matter.

    Talk about imaginations, the stars ✨ and fossils are a key part of our collective imagination.  

    And how many folks are going to believe that until they’ve seen a hole 🕳️ open up in the sky 🌌?  

    Well, if the ufos 🛸 are not rocket ships 🚀, then they represent portals in the sky.  

    Scientists are sufficiently knowledgeable to know that they can’t be rocket ships, and they surely do not want to get sucked into the topic of portals.  

    When I speak of imagination in the cosmic sense, I’m speaking…… sub specie aeternitatis.  

    Yes, there is Eternity, and that’s where we’re headed.  

    Our entire Metanarrative is a bubble 🫧 in that Eternity.  

    And ours is not just any old bubble…….. ours is the best possible.  

    So there can be none other that are in any way comparable.  

    As in the days of the flat Earth, the known world would be surrounded by all sorts of creatures.  

    As the world became rounded out, the creatures were simply moved off world…… out into space.  

    But, gradually, the ufologists are waking up to the fact that their more likely location is inter-dimensional and ultra-terrestrial…….. ie, portalific.

    Is our bubble about to be burst 💥?

    As far as I can tell, that is the general idea.  

    But, trust me, the BPW has a huge footprint within the cosmic order.

    It may seem that the world is operating in real time……. but that is the central feature of the BPW.  

    Space and time are critical to the Metanarrative.  

    Space and time are ours……… they are from within us…. we are not lost in them.  

    This is what Kant said, and Kant is being resurrected, as we speak.
    ………


    What is this about space and time being inside of us?

    I don’t mean individually, but inter-personally.  

    Physics, for instance, has been demonstrated to be primarily a mathematical construct.  

    Most of mathematical physics has been acquired since well after Kant made the scene.  

    Wigner speaks knowingly of the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.  

    And where did mathematics come from?

    Certainly, it comes to us by way of mathematicians.

    Is it something that they invent or discover?  

    Much of mathematics can be reduced to logic.  

    And where does logic derive from?

    If logic does not derive from the Logos or from language, we’d have difficulty coming up with an alternate origin.  

    Logic is a crucial piece of the Logos.

    In its turn, the Logos is a crucial piece of Sapience.

    And where did our sapience come from?

    Did we invent it or discover it?

    Sapience is a piece of the I Am.

    From whence derived the I Am?  

    Yes, from whence derived our self-awareness?

    Was this just another accident of Darwinism?  

    Where does the Self derive from?

    What is the bootstrap that brings all of this into existence?
    ………..


    I think we have just found our way back to the original question…….

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    And if there be something, what must that something be?  

    That something must include an observer.  

    The observer must be connected to Eternity…… it cannot be gone in a flash.  

    Oh dear, then what is Eternity……. who observes Eternity?  

    And the world is resting on the back of a turtle 🐢, and it must be turtles all the way down.

    It doesn’t sound like any flash in the pan.  

    One can see why just having innumerable Big Bangs ❗ would be so attractive!

    We must not put aside the concept of co-dependent arising.  

    I wonder if we’re not back to the yin-yang ☯ ?

    …….. with each component as mutually self aware.

    It would be Adam and Eve, for sure……. forget about God!

    I believe this works about as well as any creation hypothesis.  

    Can we have mutual imaginary playmates?  

    I see no logical alternative.  

    But haven’t we already impressed time into this picture?



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    Post by dan Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:27 am

    So, for the time being, we’re switching from the I Am to the Yin-Yang ☯, where, along with a rudimentary (mutual) self awareness, there comes a minimal degree of gender specificity.  

    What I would like to do now is consider a minimalist version of metabolism……… a là Maxwell’s Demon.  

    With the yin-yang configuration, it might seem that we just doubling the problem of origins that occur with the I Am.

    So, for now, for the sake of simplicity, let’s go back to the I Am, with the I Am now functioning as our Maxwell’s demon.  

    And remember our original question 🙋‍……. why is there something, rather than nothing?

    I think I raised the further question of whether nothing could exist.  

    The simple answer, based on an observer based ontology, is simply….. no.  

    Ontology is nothing without an observer……. no phenomenon is a real unless perceived.  

    Didn’t the universe exist prior to the advent of sentient creatures?

    Well, that would be a very slim form of existence.  

    This is why the Big Bang ❗ should be problematic, from the git go.

    But let’s return to our consideration of nothingness…….

    Our quintessential notion of nothingness is the abyss of space…… the space between the galaxies, for instance…… also known as the vacuum.  

    Ok, but modern physics has done a number on the classical/Newtonian vacuum.  

    We now have the Quantum vacuum!……..
    In the standard quantum field theory, not only does the vacuum (zero-point) energy have an absolute infinite value…….
    You see what I mean!

    Of course, standard QFT assumes a background of space-time.

    The idea of any void is assuming the existence of some sort of space.  

    But we have little idea to what extent space is relative, absolute, relativistic, quantum…… or you name it!  

    It is not at all clear what an immaterialist (non-physicalist) should make of the concept of space.  

    But let me get back to the I Am…….

    The I Am is, by definition, self aware.  

    But is that all?

    Is the I Am supposed to spend all Eternity contemplating its navel?

    Most presume the I Am to be some sort of Creator.  

    What is the minimal Creation, and how is it accomplished?

    Anyone for a Dreamtime?

    But, let’s not get impatient.  

    Wouldn’t there be sentience prior to sapience and self awareness?  

    What I’ve suggested is that mere sentience may not have any ontic status, if it is not accompanied, at least by some sort of memory.  

    But are we talking about any old transient memory, or are we talking about the Akashic record, for instance?

    I’m suggesting that transient phenomena have little or no ontic status.  

    What do we want…….. to have our memories written in stone?  

    Evidently, that would not satisfy the chick 🐣!  

    For any phenomenon to be granted an ontic status, it must somehow make an impression on Eternity…….. take only pictures….. leave only footprints 👣?!  

    Hmmm 🤔………

    Hey, we could blow ourselves up tomorrow……. and then what?

    So what?

    Hey, again, what about the collective unconscious?  

    What about Relationalism?…….. to exist is to relate.  

    Relate to what, pray tell?  

    Well, back to the I Am……. can anything exist in isolation?  

    Ok……. allow me my little quantum leap……..

    Nothing can exist unless it is connected to Everything, and Everything includes Eternity, the collective unconscious, the Akashic record,…… everything else!  

    And what about the pebble on the beach 🏝️?

    Is it not part of (somebody’s) ecosystem?
    …………


    I’m merely suggesting that the most likely alternatives for existence are simply all or nothing.  

    The minimal form of existence is to actualize one’s potentia to be one with the One.  

    And what about the pebble on the beach?

    The pebble is already one with the One…… through its composition of microcosmic atoms ⚛.  
    ……….


    Quantitatively, we are seeing most of the world……… qualitatively is another matter.  

    Yes, there are realms of existence, be they inter-dimensional, ultra-terrestrial, etc……… that offer alternative experiences or altered states, but their populations would be much more sparse.  

    These realms would mainly be experienced on our return journey, from the Omega back to the Alpha.  

    But, taken altogether, this is the only possible existence.

    The Creator had no choice, but to create the best possible world……. along with its relatively modest appendages.  

    And do keep in mind that, after you strip away most of the fluff, there really is only one of us……. just one person.  

    You may have heard of the one electron universe……. more accurately, we are the one person world.  
    …………


    Isn’t this just what Parmenides came up with……. a few millennia ago?

    It was not clear that his One was a person, but I think it has to be.

    Does it have to be the best possible person?

    Well….. let’s just say…….. the best possible person for the job.

    I’m thinking that not too many folks would be jumping at the job.

    Would there be a lot of beer 🍻 drinking involved?

    That might be another problem.

    Would there be any spontaneity?

    Maybe it could be structured to seem spontaneous.

    That part seems to work out pretty well, usually!



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    Post by dan Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:30 am

    In all of this, I’ve said very little about love.  

    Some say that God is love.  

    I suspect it would be more accurate to say that love is God.

    Love, most frequently, occurs between persons, but it is not a person.  

    God is supposed, by many, to be a person.  

    Besides love, we have agape.

    Agape is contrasted with eros and philia.  

    Agape may be best expressed in the love between parent and child…… particularly between God and God’s children……… expressed particularly in the Great Commandment.  

    Here the parents often serve as the intermediaries.  

    Ok…… but…… well, agape might be expressed as the love of love 💗.  

    What about the love of art…… of nature?  

    What is a person other than an expression of love?  

    Why then do hatred and antipathy get so personal?  

    But where would the world be without hate?  

    Could it still be the best possible world?

    Hatred might be likened to one sort of spice……… of life.  

    Folks love to hate Satan, for instance.  
    ………..


    We have families, tribes, religions, clubs, institutions, corporations, teams, parties…….etc.

    All of which thrive on various forms of solidarity.  

    Solidarity can be greatly enhanced under one form of threat or another.  

    Threat, when not natural, often comes in the form of competition……. with various levels of severity and risk.  

    God knows where we would be without our competition for mates?  

    And think of all the emotions generated thereby.  

    Love tends to be the capstone of personhood, and certainly what makes the world go around.  

    I’ve not even mentioned our love of possessions…… although a proper mate is often high on that list.
    ………..


    I’d hate to think of a Creation not founded on love.  

    And this is exactly what Charlie D was able to dream up……. and what upwards of a billion of us, moderns, fervently believe is written in stone.  

    Are we quite sure that Darwinism must play such a crucial role in the best possible Metanarrative?  

    Clearly, if there be a Creator, the Creator took great pains to render the Creation natural……. to erase all extraneous fingerprints……. and to add all kinds of apparently natural features.  

    Except for our personal awareness, we wouldn’t have a clue.  

    Is all this the outworking of cosmic Love?  

    But would modernism have been possible without naturalism?  

    Would modernism have been possible if we did not conjure ourselves as lost in space and time?  

    Would we have fulfilled our destiny of co-Creatorship, had we remained simply the children of God?  

    chick 🐣 is doubtful.  
    ………..


    The whole business with love makes little sense without the context of mortality.

    God has to get by on just agape……… no wonder she likes to sojourn down here……. hey, she’s done 10^10 times.

    Yes, we might have remained in Eden or ShangriLa, but would we ever have been able to test our own mettle, discovered our divine potential, if we hadn’t ventured east of Eden?

    Could we have been around the block had we not partaken or modernism?

    Often, we have to lose ourselves in order to find ourselves……. to become an actual adult.



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