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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by dan Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:26 am

    For the past couple of days, I’ve been perusing google for whatever might come closest to the BPWH.

    All the pieces are there, but, if anyone else has bothered to put them together, they remain as well hidden as chick 🐣.

    My biggest claim to fame on the internet 🛜 is that I occasionally show up on the Sarfatti mail list…… and occasionally my name shows up in association with Pandolfi.

    Yes, if you were looking for a stealth SoT, you would not need to be a librarian to find chick 🐣.

    Looking for active immaterialists speaking English, one comes up Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman.  

    Both have a substantial presence on the internet.  

    Neither one of them comes close to the BPWH.  

    Yes, the Katechon remains solidly intact.  

    What will be the cosmic trigger?  

    The crop circles Surprised: and the flying saucers 🛸 are the closest we have come with public phenomena.  

    With transpersonal phenomena, the NDEs and psychedelic experiences both continue to make an impact.  

    So, yes, the UAP hearings are the closest we’ve come to any sort of trigger.  

    I gather that the number of folks sniffing in the vicinity…… of the Aviary is increasing.  

    Here is an oldie but goodie that just popped up on my youtube feed…… https://youtu.be/ItRiw2HwvF0?si=bjYks2k7DKVRLjkv ….. John Lear is talking to George Knapp about the core story….. yes, one of the three critters is still alive……… this interview was back in 2020, I believe.

    It won’t take all that long for the Core Story to come out.  

    And, according to John, the government, back then, was about to release an interview with EBE3……… Hmmm……. I wonder who that might be?  

    And here is a quote from Bernardo……..
    Analytic Idealism is a theory of the nature of reality that maintains that the universe is experiential in essence. That does not mean that reality is in your or our individual minds alone, but instead in a spatially unbound, transpersonal field of subjectivity of which we are segments.
    Well, that seems to leave us lost in the dream 😴.  

    Cosmic trigger……..?  What’s that??

    And here’s a quote from the SEP https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness-intentionality/#WhyItMatt  ……..
    There is surely much more to say about how views of the consciousness-intentionality relationship bear on large questions about mind, self, explanation, knowledge and value. But what has just been said hopefully brings out some prominent features of the philosophical landscape.
    So opines Charlie Siewart.  

    Charlie mentions that there would be a social dimension to the ontology of mind.

    But, as far as I can ascertain, through all of Charlie’s incoherence with respect to ontology, he never once touches on the possibility of immaterialism.

    Cosmology is likely to be the very last thing on the mind of any philosopher who has previously been specializing in semantics.

    Hey, don’t send your grammar police up against the Eschaton.

    Let’s just have little sense of proportion, please.  

    Before we engage in our word games, it might behoove us to get our ontological ducks 🦆 in a row.  

    Anyone for a Metanarrative?  
    ……….


    Here I am, sitting 🪑 by the phone ☎, waiting for the grey lady to call.

    chick 🐣 just wants to talk to an Earthling.



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    Post by dan Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:39 pm

    GREGOR is a solar telescope, equipped with a 1.5 m primary mirror, located at 2,390 m altitude at the Teide Observatory on Tenerife in the Canary Islands.


    Gregor does not forget so easily, entangled as he is with the Swede. What are they looking for?

    The Canary is entangled, on the way to Spain. It tried to reach Morocco, but it fell asleep in Spain. At home it was content, but it could not recall home. So the Canara swam its way all the way back again.


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:34 am

    (In order to respond cogently to the above missives, I’ll need to employ the previous enumerations, 1,2&3.)

    There were three items that were brought to my attention regarding the Canary Islands…….

    The horrific plane crash in 1977.

    The photon entanglement experiment at the Teide Observatory in 2007.

    The desire of one of us to scuba 🤿 dive in the Canary’s.

    I was given to believe that the scuba expedition was to be a search for a portal.

    At one point, I was googling for scuba classes in Virginia.

    I don’t recall that any classes were taken, and I’m rather sure there was no expedition.

    We did go to Morocco 🇲🇦 for one day on the ferry.  This was part of trip to southern Spain, including to the Mosque 🕌/Cathedral in Cordoba.

    GREGOR is the acronym for the solar telescope consortium on Tenerife.

    Speaking of solar telescopes 🔭, we may recall the incident at the solar observatory in Sunspot, NM. It was shut down for ten days in 2019, allegedly because of a maintenance person’s pornography collection.

    Buddy Bolton reported the initially mysterious closure to me, and I passed it on to 2.  He reported back that it was a portal incident that had initially been bungled by the FBI.  He had to send in his own team to do cleanup.  

    Since three made the scene 🎬 in 2009, there has been a pretty steady drum 🪘 beat of phenomena……. but only for personal edification.  

    I’m seeing nothing looking like Disclosure.

    These latest three missives could just be distractions from the larger issues.  
    ……..


    The Eschaton will be there when we need it.

    Our need for it is not growing any less.

    Will the philosophers ever get beyond semantics?

    That’ll be the day.



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    Post by dan Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:57 am

    The reference to the Swede was just a reference to the second telescope involved in the photon entanglement experiment in the Canary’s, the Swedish solar telescope on La Palma.  

    The first telescope was part of the GREGOR group on Tenerife.  

    Three pointed out, years ago, that entanglement was part of the portal phenomenon.  

    The air disaster on Tenerife would have been part of the entanglement.  

    We are attempting to overlay the micro and macro phenomena.

    Are we also attempting to connect the historical with the physical and geographical…….. aspects of the phenomena?  

    Whatever works.
    ………….


    Yet another clue…… Canary birds were once used in coal mines to alert miners when toxic gases reached dangerous levels.

    ….. can you put it all together?
    Evidently, he is mixing and matching puns that occur in his own mind and giving them eschatological significance.  

    Where is the metaphysical legitimacy of such a move…… or perhaps he is just playing word games to keep us amused.

    Part of the word game, however, was given legitimacy by three’s scuba interests.

    Ok, I guess it won’t hurt to play along……

    If we give credence to the quantum mind speculations, we could, in turn, speculate about the entanglements between personal and interpersonal phenomena.

    Three’s statement about the five day global opening of 10^5 portals is perhaps being monitored locally/personally, with, for instance, an array  of personal remote viewers.

    And  then the following headline pops up……… Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000.  

    Are we now suggesting an entanglement between the Tenerife air disaster, the Ukraine 🇺🇦 disaster and the opening of the portals?

    At this point, we hardly neglect our alleged Vegas entanglement.

    These are very disparate items, even including the personal aspects.

    Well, personal significances may connect at the interpersonal and global levels.

    Two and three maintain personal contacts on the global level, and this best possible blog may have a further reach than is visible.

    It is just persons……. all the way up, and all the way down.  

    The portals will keep us honest.  

    Always keeping in mind that the first will be last……



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    Post by dan Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:19 am

    I’ve been alerted to the fact that there was a major ufo sighting in the Canary’s a few months before the air crash in 1977.  

    I had previously been assuming that the California meeting was in ~1979, but actually it was in 1976.  

    A wild fire in Tenerife is being currently reported.

    What we are to make of these various coincidences is far from clear.  

    What is the link between Tenerife and Shangi-la?

    And how does this connect to the present, other than through three?  

    Paranormal phenomena are often linked to disasters.

    The conflict in the Ukraine may be part of the larger picture.
    ……….


    Correction……. there is no conflict in the Ukraine 🇺🇦.  It is a special military operation.

    No, the California meeting was ~1979.

    The ‘first contact’ was in 1976.  

    A contact that would have been hard to miss!  

    What is not clear is the referent for the ‘build up of toxic gases’.

    I guess we could take our pick.  

    And I have not been able to pick up on the metaphysics and the underwater component.

    Woe is me!!



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    Post by Cyrellys Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:57 pm

    Hi Guys, hope all is ok. I've had some computer issues and have acquired a back up just in case. Have not been in here in a few days.

    Dan did your issue with the member get resolved?


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    Post by dan Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:05 pm

    Cyrellys,

    Thank you for checking back.

    I have not noticed any recurrences, so I’m happy to move on.

    Other than a computer issue, I trust that all is well.

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    Post by Cyrellys Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:10 pm

    All good here. I've been working 8am to 5pm M-F so not on midday.


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    Post by dan Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:31 pm

    An anonymous onlooker has come to my rescue…….

    The Canary’s are known for their volcanoes 🌋 in proximity to an ocean.

    Such locations are often associated with the prevalence of phenomena.

    Also I’m told that the name of the islands is a reference to things canine, and not to the birds.  

    The original inhabitants of the Canary’s are alleged to have been related to the Dogon people of west Africa, with their Sirius mysteries and alleged contact with Visitors.  

    The Canary’s have also been associated with the Atlantis stories.
    ……….  


    In 1976 the islands’ inhabitants encountered a ufo with 10-foot tall beings who looked like Swedish tourists wearing red diving gear.  

    They seemed to be doing something important underwater.

    Sirius used to be a red giant…. and the visitors claiming to be from there are often garbed in red.

    https://anomalien.com/1976-canary-island-ufo-sighting-sphere-encounter-with-alien-beings/

    It seems that we’re meant to infer a connection between these sightings and the subsequent advent of three…… two or three years later.  

    It is not clear that we are supposed to infer any relation to current or future events.  

    We can see why chasing hubcaps in the desert might not be where the action is.



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    Post by dan Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:12 am

    And what does all this have to do with Personalism?  

    Persons and our affairs can be complicated.

    The end, however, is simplicity, indeed.  

    So, finally we have our message from the stars ✨…….. it is three.

    chick 🐣 is gonna claim some propinquity.  

    The general claim is that three is a person, maybe just not from here.

    Yes, we may look far and wide and we still find persons.

    What does this have to do with Sirius?  

    I’m wagering that it has more to do with the mythological Sirius than with the astronomical version.  

    The Canary episode has to do with the collapse of scientific materialism.  

    Science will continue to hold its own in various spheres of technical endeavor.  

    But, when it comes to our Narrative, persons count more than stars.  

    Speaking of which, let’s take a look at Stephen Stitch…….. once an eliminativist, but no longer…….. https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/StichDeconstructingMind1996  (1998).  
    ……….


    This turns out to be a 70 page paper…….. I’m struggling on page 10.



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    Post by dan Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:36 pm

    Stephen Stich’s conversion away from his earlier espousal of naturalistic epistemology might have had an impact on philosophy, but his 70 page paper manages to bury it in the excruciating detail of reference theory.

    He now claims to be a pragmatist…… eschewing metaphysics, apparently……. and becoming skeptical of truth.
    ……….


    There was recently mentioned a final expedition……. final prior to any solar hiatus.



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    Post by dan Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:38 am

    So, maybe Stephen is being rather clever (even coy) with his pragmatism…… a sly endorsement of personalism.

    Why sly?  

    All the better to make inroads.

    Will Stephen bring about the collapse of naturalism?  

    He’s not helping it any.  

    Are his colleagues ready to throw in the towel?

    They are going to also want to stay on the side of subtle.  

    Who wants to be caught sleeping with the enemy?  

    Would any of them understand that the sky is falling?

    Would any of them venture to the end of the world?

    Would there be an insider amongst them…… perhaps Stephen?  

    Stephen is definitely taking an historical/political perspective when he describes his difference with Papineau as similar to the difference between Quine and Carnap.  

    I don’t think Quine, however, ever departed from naturalism.  

    His was a dispute over the ontology within nature.  

    Stephen’s dispute is about the (separate) ontology of the normative/pragmatic.

    Has the Katechon sprung a leak?  

    Where does three fit into this picture?  

    Does three have any choice?  

    Are the portals just the logical conclusion?  
    ……….


    Panpsychism is afoot….. call it pragmatism, if you will.  

    The question we face is……. from whence cometh the psyche?  

    Does the psyche emerge from the atoms ⚛…… or from a cosmic Self?

    Or, is ours a big world or a small world?  

    There is a related question……. can we have teleology without a Telos?

    When we speak of teleology/teleonomy in biology, we are assuming only an organismic telos.

    We are quite vehement to deny any teleology in evolution.

    This would be a reversion to something similar to theism.

    Can there be a panpsyche without a psyche?

    Can there be any sort of psyche without a self?

    All this ontological questioning…….. all stemming from a solitary mention of pragmatism?

    Are we to believe that Steve is innocent of all such speculation?

    I find that highly unlikely…… what about you?



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    Post by dan Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:03 pm

    So, now, I’m reviewing panpsychism, starting with Russell…….

    What am I looking 👀 for?  

    If I knew that, I wouldn’t be looking.

    There are notorious problems with panpsychism.  

    Mainly the combination problem…..

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panpsychism/supplement.html
    ………


    I continue to review the many entries in the SEP relating to the BPWH.  

    I can only be further amazed by how many ways there are to avoid the BPWH.  

    Next, I’d better review Leibniz’ version.

    I also need to check P Labinaz’ critique of Stich’s epistemic pragmatism….

    His basic argument is that Stich values the pragmatic consequences of our acquisition of knowledge, over and above any considerations of truth.  

    We could simply say that Stich is giving a descriptive rather than a prescriptive definition of epistemology.

    Any Darwinian would have to give a similar account…… the survival of the pragmatic.

    Is there anything metaphysical here?  

    Couldn’t artificial intelligence be programmed to do the same thing….. be seeking survival strategies?

    Short of survival, one has to evaluate the consequences.

    Alternatives have to be considered and evaluated.

    But, before you can make an evaluation, you need to know the truth of your situation.

    Yes, you could just give a computer a list of consequences, but that would get awkward without knowing the circumstances.

    Eventually, someone’s going to have to know what the heck is going on.

    Is Stich really being this oblivious….. not seeing the forest for the trees 🌲?

    At some point, sooner than later, one must appeal to a general/global awareness.

    Can self driving cars 🚗 pass this test?

    I remain skeptical 🤨, even at this rudimentary level.



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    Post by dan Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:44 am

    This morning we start with Paolo Labinaz’…….. Questioning Stephen Stich’s Epistemic Pragmatism…

    My question is…….. since when did science need philosophy?

    Scientists see philosophy as armchair science…… at best.  

    Science was supposed to have replaced Aristotle and Plato, etc…….

    If we want to know about something we go out and study it, we don’t contemplate our navels.

    But the philosophical response was epistemology….. we would go out and analyze how folks acquired knowledge.

    We could then write about it….. we could write individual descriptions of the actual process…… maybe there would be an explanation or two.

    But to what end?  

    Well, we could write ‘how to’ manuals for budding scientists……. this is how the masters do it……

    We were going to do a science of science.

    We were going to look for patterns of behavior.

    We could be the anthropologists of the science tribe.

    But then Stephen Stich had another idea 💡…….

    Let’s be pragmatic, said Steve…… back in 1990.

    We could go around acquiring knowledge….. but to what end?

    This was a no, no!

    Ours is not to reason why………

    This is why philosophers do not go out and earn their bread 🍞.

    We’re just happy to spend other folks’ earnings.



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    Post by dan Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:45 pm

    I continue to be impressed by Labinaz’ criticism of Stich’s pragmatism.

    How can we be pragmatic about anything, if don’t have a some idea of what’s at stake……. of what our ultimate concerns should be?

    Situational ethics can only get us so far.

    Yes, it is a big step to go from analytics to pragmatics.  

    Analysis has no end, but at some point we just have to get on with our lives.  

    At some point, we have to wonder what our situation is.  

    Stich is not about to turn his collar around.  

    Neither is Labinaz.

    But, when you start talking about Truth, you are no longer talking about living from day to day.  

    But nobody wants to talk about the 800# gorilla 🦍 in the room.

    If we want to talk about Truth, we can hardly avoid talking Narratives.

    Narrative, narrative…… who’s got the best narrative?  

    May the best narrative win?  

    What other outcome could possibly be in contention?

    You want more choices?  

    With the BPN you have 10^10 choices.

    But why do so many of the lives seem not so great, and maybe that’s putting it mildly?  

    Well, consider going out and asking who would trade lives.  

    I think we pretty much grab on to what’s put in front of us.  

    Well, some folks get pretty choosy about things, but ask them to re-choose their own lives, and the results might be a bit surprising…… once we get beyond the superficialities.  

    We all have a basic fear of the unknown.

    Let us embrace the bad things we know……. let us deal with our own problems……. at least they are ours.

    Let others grapple with their own….. just like we do.

    Do we have to live all 10^10 lives?  

    I think we’re given time off for good behavior.  

    By the time we get to be one with the One, I think we’ll have a pretty good handle on vicarious living.  

    So why 10^10 of us?  

    Well, hey, I think we’d all agree that we’d rather aim too high than too low.

    Do you want to be the one to decide who to fire?  

    In thinking about jobs, that one has always been at the bottom of my list.

    But isn’t that exactly what I’m doing when I say…. hurry, Lord!?

    Think of all the lives being cut short.

    Maybe I’m leaving that up to three.

    That’s what was put in front of me.

    I’ve embraced it, evidently.

    Next question 🙋‍�?



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    So, how was chick 🐣 so smart that he could figure out that all those other, really smart, guys were probably wrong 😑?  

    Well, he realized, early on, that most of those really smart guys were not playing with a full deck.

    But, clearly, somebody must be, or we wouldn’t all be here.  

    Then, of course, there was the Anthropic Principle.

    There were some really smart guys who just didn’t know how to deal with the AP.  

    And then there was Bernardo Kastrup.  

    Clearly Bernardo liked the camera…… camera, camera, who’s the smartest one of all?  

    That’s ok ✅, someone had to be Bernardo……… for all of us who like our truth in small doses.  

    But then some of us would have read the greatest story ever told.

    Hey, there’s got to be a sequel to that one.  

    Then chick met two, and it was pretty obvious that the game was fixed.

    At some level, we’ve just got to quit messing around…… for our own good.

    When three came along, it was all over.

    Even I had trouble believing about that meeting in So Cal, way back in 1979.

    But, hey, there was going to have to be such a meeting……. somewhere, sometime.  

    Did I have an objection?  

    Mine was not to second guess……. the best possible narrative.

    Maybe I’ll be able to be out of here just in the nick of time.

    So how were all those appearances made to be quiet so convincing?  

    They had to be, otherwise our story would not have been the greatest.  

    Why then would God have deceived us?

    It’s just not fair!

    Well, all is fair in war and love 💗!
    …………


    This doesn’t begin to tell how God was able to pull it off.

    God was so smart that she knew she’d have to have even smarter folks helping her out.

    We’re those folks……. but who the heck would want to be smarter than God?……… that sounds like a trap 🪤.

    But how does she make the grass grow…… without photons?

    That is a trick.



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    At least with photons, we get to conserve energy.  

    Well, we get to sweep 🧹 the energy problem right under the Big Bang ‼

    Well, if the grass didn’t grow,  somebody’d have some serious 🧐 ‘splainin’ to do.

    Ok, biologicals have to grow…… or else!  

    Sunlight sure helps.

    Well sunlight is a good excuse for getting quantum electrodynamics off the ground, with the help of the standard model, etc…….  

    And let us not forget the UEM……. the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics 🧮.  

    And who puts the coherence into the Narrative?  

    Well, how do we manage to share our consciousness so effectively?

    Sure, there are enough questions to go around……. a few times.

    But, why is there something, rather than nothing?  

    And while we’re at it, we might as well make it the best possible something!  

    And how do we manage to go our separate ways is, maybe, a bigger question.  

    Once we go our separate ways, the grass has got to continue to grow.

    What we figure out is that the best way to answer a smaller question is to ask a bigger one………

    We can easily imagine one person having a cosmic scale dream.

    But when 10^10 manage to have the same dream, we start looking to mathematics and atoms ⚛.

    It has been a very productive side bar.

    We are happy to let them do our dreaming 😴 for us.

    We’ve gotten quite accustomed to those ideas.

    Everyone is comfortable….. up to a point.

    There are some indications that we are approaching that point.



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    The paranormal certainly disturbs those of us who are fully vested in a normal world.

    That’s just the default condition…… it requires no other explanation.  

    Hey, God does Creation, and the maintenance crew 👨🔧 does the upkeep.

    It’s definitely a failure when that system breaks down…… when cracks appear in the cosmic egg 🥚.



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    I googled “Katechon eschaton” and came up with…..  “The Modern Epimetheus: Carl Schmitt’s katechonism……. (1950)” (2022).

    I read it pretty carefully…….. it came up with some good sociological ideas.  

    It simply avoided any cosmological discussion.  

    Yes, there have been a number of social reactionaries delving into eschatology, starting with Eric Voegelin.  

    A follower of Voegelin is Aleksandr Dugin, a mentor to Putin on global power strategy.

    They are basically social theorists……. with no clue about cosmology or metaphysics.  

    It seems that chick 🐣 is all by his little self.

    I saw “Oppenheimer” this afternoon.  You’d think that more physicists would delve into metaphysics.  

    It seemed like a pretty obvious course, to me.

    Then there is Bernardo K.  

    He came to metaphysics from computer science.

    He also avoids cosmology.  

    The personalism folks are mostly coming out of theology.

    There is a big gap between the the various approaches…….. a no-man’s land.

    I’m not a student of Leibniz’…… it’s not totally clear how he managed to avoid cosmology.

    I should check if there are any recent followers.

    Leibniz became much too infatuated with his monads and his logic.

    He was only ever a partial immaterialist.

    Again, his monads got in the way.

    I’m not aware that he has any modern followers.  

    He might be a neutral monist, of some sort.

    You’d think there’d be others out there, but they are eluding my meager grasp.

    Poor pelican, I guess he’s stuck with the chick.
    ………..


    Here’s a big problem for Gottfried……. he rejected relations.

    Again, the monads were getting in the way.

    But he did realize that every monad would have to be a microcosm.

    This microcosmic dimension would necessarily include internal relations?

    No?!

    Another blind spot.

    So near, yet so far.

    Russell's principal work on Leibniz found that many of Leibniz's most startling philosophical ideas and claims (e.g., that each of the fundamental monads mirrors the whole universe) follow logically from Leibniz's conscious choice to reject relations between things as unreal.
    Hmmm…….!

    Yes, I can see that there might be some conflict between Relationalism and Microcosmism, but I don’t see why there can’t be some optimal accommodation.

    I guess I’d better start reviewing Gottfried…….
    Indeed, Diderot was almost moved to despair in this piece: “When one compares the talents one has with those of a Leibniz, one is tempted to throw away one's books and go die quietly in the dark of some forgotten corner”
    Well, at least folks will not be moved to despair by chick 🐣!

    All they’ll do is give themselves a couple of swift kicks in the rear end.  

    Leibniz was an irenicist.

    Just a little bit ahead of his time.  

    It’s a good thing he didn’t figure out the quantum…….. none of us would be here!  

    I flatter myself to have penetrated into the harmony of these different realms and to have seen that both sides are right provided that they do not clash with each other; that everything in nature happens mechanically and at the same time metaphysically but that the source of mechanics is metaphysics.
    Amen, brother.

    As will be shown, central to Leibniz's philosophy was the view that God freely chose the best world from an infinite number of possible worlds and that a person could be said to act freely when the contrary of that action does not imply a contradiction.
    Well, there are not too many actions that do not contradict the BPWH.

    Everything in its place…….
    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
     For every action, there has to be a reaction.

    Does there have to be a bad deed for every good deed.

    Fortunately, it’s not that simple!  

    But there is a balance of nature.

    It is this balancing of nature that necessitates a small, self-contained world.



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    Post by dan Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:39 am

    Hold on a minute, sports fans…….

    Is Leibniz’ PII telling us that there cannot be two identical monad/atoms?  

    Clearly, there is something I’m not getting!

    Is it possible that Leibniz didn’t understand the notion of a small world?

    Then there is his doctrine of marks and traces…… which is in the notion of a CIC, complete individual concept.

    So, yes, every atom/monad is individual…… it has an individual soul.  

    He had no clue about atoms ⚛.

    And chick is not supposed to, either.  

    What did he think about metabolism?

    Atomism was rampant in the ancient world.  

    So what was going on in Gottfried’s head?  

    I might have a need to know.
    ………….  


    It seems that personalism never occurred to Gottfried.

    He relied almost entirely on atomic monads and God…. and then mostly just on God’s Occasionalism and pre-established harmony.  

    He’s looking at a Mandelbrot set, with the little brots going all the way down.  

    Even with his BPWH, there is no concept of a Metanarrative……. the cosmic conspiracy of our better angels 😇, from outside of space and time.  

    We could say that he was so near, yet so far, but actually not all that far, either.

    With his new mathematical insights, he became infatuated with infinities.  

    Any sort of Metanarrative would have been much too crude for him.  

    Are we all just trapped in the Metanarrative?  

    Well, if you come up with a better place, be sure to let us know…… keeping in mind that we are all destined to become one with the One.

    We are destined to have a beer 🍻 with the One.

    Do we have to do this 10^10 times?  

    No……. remember that we get time off for good behavior.  

    In the End, the BPW would have been much too simple minded for Gottfried.

    There were a bunch of new ideas floating around when he was a kid, and he had to try them all out.  

    I sure don’t mind standing on the shoulders of giants.  

    Would Gottfried mind?  

    I’ll be sure to ask him.  

    The only infinity is within.  

    Gottfried never made the acquaintance of Quakers.  

    With Gottfried and Nature, we get to have our cake 🧁, and eat it, too!  

    It’s hard to believe that Leibniz came almost a century before Kant.

    Did poor Immanuel add anything to Gottfried?  

    Except to lead us further astray?

    His Noumenon sure didn’t do any good, except to lead us further down the primrose path of materialism.  

    Kant had to deny any sort of innate ideas.

    How dumb was that?  

    Somehow, Kant has the reputation for being the father of modern philosophy.  

    So much for modern philosophy!  

    Kant could never have imagined anything like Disclosure.

    Neither can any modern.

    Kant was the handmaiden of the Grand Deception……. and, more than anyone else, the mentor of our great apostasy.

    Clearly, Leibniz’ biggest mistake was, when it came to God, to ignore his own wisdom concerning the best possible.  

    Oh, no, Gottfried’s God had to be perfect…….. omniscient and all that!  

    I guess he had to leave something on the table.  

    And, yes, the best possible God will be the least possible God.

    Isn’t that obvious?  

    Well, think of God as pouring herself completely into her Creation.

    What else could she possibly do?  

    And, let’s not forget that with our better angels fully engaged, the best possible world is going to be the only possible One.



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    The concept of Best Possible World presupposed that a perfect world would not be an option. We live in a world where all to often imperfect people claim that No One is Perfect. What if there were a perfect being? What if that being offered hope for those who strive to be perfect? What if the Best Possible World is just an equilibrium in an ongoing battle between good and evil?
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    I’m not enamored with perfection.

    It smacks of absolutism.

    I’m reminded of the difference between the mathematician and the physicist………

    The mathematician can only ever get half way further to the girl.

    The physicist, however, can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

    As mentioned in the previous post, the best possible God is not perfect……. omnipotent, etc…….

    The best possible God is the least possible God……. leaving most of Creation to our better angels……. sub specie aeternitatis.  

    My further claim is that evil is only ever relative…….. situational…… contextual.

    In a perfect world, there would be no opportunity for learning, or for progress.

    Love has never been about perfection.

    Maybe it’s about potentiality.

    It is often about the challenge of imperfection.

    Why did God so love the world?  

    We will all be one with the One.  

    Could we ask for any more or any less?  
    …………


    Would we want a contrived world?

    Ours appears just the opposite of that….. except for the Anthropic part.

    Our own existence is the most contrived thing around, but we sure don’t see it that way…… certainly not in public.

    Nature is lovable.  Imagine that…….. well, from a comfortable distance.

    Nature can certainly be unforgiving.

    But there is a widespread feeling that we have a backstop.



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    Every spiritual tradition recognizes that we are contrived….…. that we are part of some cosmic conspiracy.  

    Modernism suggests otherwise.

    The Grand Deception was contrived for our consumption.  

    The scientists are just going by what was put in front of them…… by the cosmic forces.  

    Theirs was not to be paranoid.  

    Theirs was not to reason why……. theirs was but to measure and analyze.  

    A veritable cornucopia rained down upon us from the heavens.

    Don’t look 👀 a gift 🎁 horse 🐴 in the mouth 👄!!

    But chick 🐣 had to peek 🫣!

    The boogie girl is going get us!  

    We’re going to become one with the One ☝!  



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    Every day is review day……. chez chick.  

    Personalism has been around forever.

    It took a big turn with Zoroaster.

    And then with the jguy.  

    chick came in through the back door……. through the triple alpha process.  

    It was the cosmologist, Fred Hoyle, who recognized and embraced the fact that cosmic abundance of carbon would be sensitively dependent on the existence of a resonance in the Carbon12 nucleus that would have to be very close to the ground states of Beryllium and Helium.  

    If this were the case the triple alpha process would have a large cross section at normal stellar temperatures.

    Fred’s prediction for the existence and energy of the nuclear resonance in carbon was soon verified experimentally.

    When he pointed out that our own existence was sensitively dependent on the particulars of nuclear ☢ physics, he became the progenitor of the Anthropic Principle.

    It is ironic that Fred is also the progenitor of the Steady-State theory of cosmology.

    There would be no Narrative for Fred.

    chick is the match-maker for Anthropics and personalism/phenomenology.  

    Well, that was too quick.  

    Here we have the marriage of science and religion…… more like a shotgun wedding.  

    Yes, the poor folks……… now we’ve got them coming and going.

    And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.

    Science being the lamb.

    Science has hereby been tamed.

    The wedding 💒 feast will be in Heaven.

    Science came out of personalism, and it will return to personalism.  

    The wedding feast will be our coming out party 🎉.

    We come out from under the Grand Deception of materialism.  

    Fred had activated the conceptual portal.

    Now we had to turn the concept into an actuality…….. with the help of three.  

    Then we become one with the One, and our Narrative is complete.  

    Personalism first appeared in the form of the Trinity.  

    The institution of the Church, however, had a death grip on the Trinity.

    It was the very beginning of Industrial Revolution…… yes, the work ethic that brought us commoners front and center.  

    Almost simultaneously, Gottfried laid down the philosophical path to take us from the premodern to the postmodern.  

    He was accompanied by two clerical philosophers….. Soren and Teilhard.

    With Soren, it was I-Thou.  

    With Teilhard…… it was watch out, here we come!  

    All the rest was semantics.  
    ……….


    Well, not quite……….

    The Modernists kept the world safe for modernism and the culmination of our technological mandate……. the World Wide Web and ChatGPT.  

    Teilhard had actually foreseen the emergence of the Noosphere…… where every person would become a node in the cosmic consciousness.  

    Then the sky 🌌 could fall……… with a little from three.

    Each of us becomes a walking, talking portal/microcosm.

    We’re waiting patiently on the Cosmic Trigger…….. and then the chain reaction…… to end all chain reactions!

    We turn the world inside out and upside down.  

    It’s called becoming one with the One ☝.  



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    Gee, what will happen to the Sun 🌞, when everything is inverted?  

    Will we become one with the Sun.  

    I’m thinking……. not.

    It would be more like we become one with the son.  

    How so?  

    It’s like the two bums stumbling along the tracks.  

    When the Sante Fe express comes roaring through, one bum is able to jump aside.

    His partner is not so lucky 🍀.

    Bill stumbles on down the tracks, seeing body parts strewn hither and yon.  

    Finally, he spots his friend’s detached head, and rushes over to it.  

    He gives it a shake 🫨…… Joe, pull yourself together!  

    What is the opposite of Multiple Personality Disorder?

    You get the idea 💡!  
    ……….


    And what about the atoms ⚛?

    We might suppose that atomicity is the analog of cosmic MPD.

    Pythagoras rules the landscape of mathematical physics……. the cosmic harmonics.

    In as much as we can keep the multiplication tables in our heads, so can we keep the celestial spheres humming along.  

    Many folks in altered states report a phantasmagoria of dynamic geometrical patterns.

    Atoms themselves, when considered as quantum systems, behave as if they were modeling any number of mathematical textbooks.

    When you put the 10^10 of us together, we are acting as a phased array radar, with respect to the individual atoms.  

    The idea is that atoms exist objectively outside of us only in a very superficial sense.  

    Through us, the appearances save themselves.

    In effect, through our collective subconscious, our Metanarrative is able to play out in 10^10 dimensions…….. with an incredible resolution.  
    ……..


    Is the Singularity near?  

    Are we approaching the resolution limits of our Design?  

    If this were a simulated reality, there are those who suggest that we are.  

    There is a point at which the self referential loops comprising the cosmic consciousness become unstable, and threaten to implode under their own weight…….. pulling us all into a black hole 🕳️?  

    Imagine if we add a nuclear Armageddon to the mix….. we have the threat of a negative cosmic entanglement where even Alexander could not cut his way out.

    But we’ve had all of Eternity to design around such a calamity.

    Perhaps the avoidance of this denouement is the grain of sand around which the cosmic oyster 🦪 creates the pearl of the best possible world.  



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