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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 01, 2023 8:23 am

    Just being poetic.

    Yes it all matters.

    I do bother.
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    Post by dan Mon May 01, 2023 4:47 pm

    One point of entry into the question of relationalism is with Mach’s Principle.  

    This Principle states that motion and inertia are relative.  

    For instance, for a world consisting of just one object, nothing can be said of the motion of that object

    A hypothetical observer on the object might or might not be able feel any acceleration.  

    In Mach’s example there is a particular reference to rotational motion and the resulting centrifugal force.  



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    Post by dan Tue May 02, 2023 5:55 am

    Is chick the first or last to be woke.  

    To be woke is to be aware of the Katechon.  

    Chivo is woke, but he, like most folks, prefers the Katechon to the Eschaton.  

    JAWheeler was perhaps the most woke of the physicists……. but he gave up that spot in his attempt to blackball the Parapsychology Association from the APA.  

    I had wondered if he had been read the riot act, but he followed up with a personal attack on JBRhine.  JAW was having too much fun with physics to take a gamble on metaphysics.  

    Is chick 🐣 taking the gamble?  

    I’m not a gambler……. life is too important to gamble on anything less than Truth.  

    Personalism is very……. personal.  

    In physics, the Katechon is outlined by……. the Anthropic Principle, Mach’s Principle, Olber’s Paradox, the Absorber theory of QED, the Transactional Theory of QM, among others.  The mind/body problem is deliberately shunned by the physics community.  

    The internet is closing that circle.

    Previously, I had supposed that the starry sky 🌌 was mainly for aesthetics, but my recent perusal of Mach’s Principle suggests that it goes deeper than that.  

    But it is difficult for me to describe the depth.  

    From a metaphysical perspective, the depth must have a strong psychological component.  

    Basically, without the starry sky 🌌 we would go stir crazy 😜.  

    We would lose all sense of orientation…….. the Sun 🌞 is not enough for the Katechon.  The starry sky and the DEA keep us down on the farm.  

    To question the Katechon is to be a party pooper.  

    The internet has barely been able to avoid the big K.  

    For that reason, academics are deathly afraid 😱 of the internet, and for good reason…….. all ye, all ye, in free!

    If you don’t question my garden, I won’t question yours.  

    Why don’t I feel more guilty about my premature pursuit of Truth?

    It is a luxury that society can ill afford.  

    Avoiding the Truth becomes a major pastime……. it is a big league sport.  

    Where, then, is MJ12?  

    My best guess is that we are all honorary members……. we are all sports fans.  
    ……….


    I should mention that Malthus plays a major part in keeping us down…… on the farm, almost literally.  

    By way of Malthus, can we actually understand the politics of so-called right to life, etc.  

    Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.  

    If you google katechon/eschaton, what mainly comes up is Hobbe’s Leviathan…… speaking of closing the circle!  

    The Leviathan is also the Ouroboros in mythology.
    God is praised for having made all things, including Leviathan, and in Isaiah 27:1, he is called the "tortuous serpent" who will be killed at the end of time.
    Hmmm…….. no kidding……

    Sovereignty between the Katechon and the Eschaton: Rethinking the Leviathan………

    This paper both rejects the reading of Hobbes’s Leviathan as a secularised katechon and rethinks anew the questions of sovereignty and politics in his thought. It does so by examining the eschatological character of his politico-theological understanding of the relation between the kingdom of the Leviathan and the kingdom of God. Indeed, through different contemporary readings of Hobbes’s theory of the State, this paper offers an insight into the concrete eschatology at operation in Hobbes’s thought and underscores its relevance for the understanding of government, biopolitics and sovereignty.  
    ………

    It is for this reason that, according to this interpretation, the katechon rules out concrete eschatology and in so doing produces the “neutralisation of a philosophy of history oriented toward salvation.”

    It comes as no surprise that Hobbes’s theory of the state has been taken as a secularization of this particular understanding of the katechon. It is in Hobbes that an understanding of the state as destined to block catastrophe and to delay the end of times….
    Was Heidegger onto any of this?  

    We might think 🧐 of Heidegger as applying Mach’s Principle to ontology……. between being and time.  There has to be a frame of reference for any ontology.  This is the ontology for personalism.  

    For an academic take on the Katechon, you might wish to take note of G Agamben.…… particularly of his State of Exception.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 02, 2023 3:29 pm

    Studying theories and principles ain’t gonna get you here.

    What you do will.

    We all partake of this together.

    Nothing is being withheld.

    I withhold nothing.

    Our worship of moloch is what withholds, but we don’t have to worship Moloch.

    Trump and every corporate democrat and republican withhold material wealth from others.

    One can be rich without material wealth.

    I don’t believe any sects version of the end of the history and end of the world.

    I just know it can be settled now.

    I think religious and scientific eschatology is a cancer, a curse.
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    Post by dan Tue May 02, 2023 5:44 pm

    You say that we are all in this together.  

    Well, who are ‘we’, Kimosabe?  

    Are we just a bunch of lost souls, although it is made quite clear that we don’t have any souls?

    You are fortunate to have experiences and knowledge to the contrary.  

    I’m am simply trying to facilitate the sharing of that experience by lowering the social resistance…… by pointing to the fact that science does not have all the answers.  

    Could it be settled now?  

    Yes, we could have Disclosure, now.  

    But you suggest that belief in an Eschaton is a curse.  

    In that case, you take the side of the Katechon.  

    That our spirits are restrained may not be a blessing.  

    You are not a poster boy for spiritual restraint, and I applaud that.  

    Your views on that subject seem rather conflicted.  

    I agree with you that this is not primarily an intellectual question…… I’m just suggesting that our intellects should not be a barrier.  

    The modern educational system seems committed to creating such barriers.  

    Most religious education seems equally as stinting toward the spirit.  

    I have no program or plan to revolutionize education……. beyond simply fostering a regard for a personal truth.  

    On the other hand, it would not be helpful to subvert the faith that many of us have in particular scriptures.

    However, I would feel negligent to shirk from, at least, attempting to spread the good news of a Personal Truth.  

    Failing that, I’m curious to explore it.

    That someone might come to share the curiosity remains a hope.



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    Post by dan Wed May 03, 2023 2:55 pm

    I continue to be intrigued by Mach’s Principle…….

    It strongly suggests that Being/ontology is relational.  

    A world consisting of a single object can have no being.

    There must, at least, be someone to observe the object.  

    The observer’s memory must have a cosmic or eternal component….. it must have access to the Akashic record, for instance.  

    Can this memory be erased?  

    No.  The memory becomes part of the cosmic unity…… also referred to as the I Am, or Source/Telos…… Alpha/Omega….. the BPW.

    This is the Destiny for all of us…….. being one with the One.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 03, 2023 2:59 pm

    Conflicted?

    That’s interesting, right.

    When you are working closely with opposites, one can appear conflicted.

    Our lives are short.

    Me is we and we is me.

    I don’t get up in the morning thinking about the end of history or the world.

    The world is always in flux.

    But a part of us is not.

    Following the Zen line of thinking, we have to raise a great doubt to become enlightened.

    That word is so confused by us as as to be meaningless almost.

    What is the essence of enlightenment?

    Unless you have experienced the search and finding of such, one cannot say.

    Once one attains it, there is nothing to say.

    There are things not written in books.

    There are hidden passageways.

    There is a lot forgotten too.

    There is a force working across our consciousness.

    We are nodes of this consciousness and we are housed in bodies.

    Balancing between opposites does not end in easy answers.

    The best one can do in my opinion is find some guiding principles that can help you keep a good forward paced momentum to your life until your life energy is gone.

    I just went through the death process over 2 weeks with a beloved family member.

    It was very educational.

    Many folks have similar death experiences.

    Most are not aware they are dying and it causes them distress to ask them how they feel about this and their current body.

    Most don’t seem aware that they are living either.

    The body insulates us from many aspects of physical reality.

    It just stops functioning in our sleep if we are fortunate.

    How to maximize peace and happiness in your life is the best we can do.

    The plan for history and the cosmos?

    Ha!

    Participate where you are, go all in.

    Don’t look for the outs, look for the ins!

    Partake and drink deeply and give back where you can.

    Your guiding principles can be pretty simple and effective.

    The simpler they are the more effective in fact.

    I have tried to get personal with Dan and I would say, he just can’t get there.

    I can be nothing but personal and open.

    Because there is no one really here with my name.

    That is just a mask.

    Enlightenment leads to profound nakedness.

    Your shame leaves you.

    Shame can find no foothold.

    No shame, no one can control you through it.

    You take responsibility for your actions and what you do.

    You do less.

    You move less.

    Your desires ebb away.

    You can become very boring to the average muppet.

    Your opinions dissipate.

    You just exist in the moments of your life, ready, open, powerful.


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    Post by dan Wed May 03, 2023 3:16 pm

    I agree with all of this.

    I simply endeavor to put it into a cosmic context……. of which we are the microcosms.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 03, 2023 3:18 pm

    I salute your attempt sir.

    The cosmos has led me to relaxation and peace.

    Now that is an interesting outcome in an apparently chaotic world.

    Mind over matter Wink

    Or mind cooperating with matter seems a better description of this state.
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    Post by dan Wed May 03, 2023 6:17 pm

    Well, for an immaterialist, the natural world is a projection of our collective consciousness……. providing a neutral arena for the outworking of our Metanarrative.

    Mach’s Principle argues for the physical/metaphysical necessity of a reference frame of the fixt stars to enable the existence of our local laws of motion for our level playing field.  

    The Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory also employs the fixt stars to provide the necessary background for our local laws of electromagnetism.  

    An immaterialist, of course, gives scant credence to the ontology of either stars or electrons.  

    However, we give a great deal of credence to the Coherence theory of the world.  

    Coherence is the glue that holds our phenomenal world together…….. along with agape.

    Physics is the epiphenomon of our collective consciousness.  In school, of course, we’re taught that it works the other way around……. mind is the epiphenomon matter.  

    The Anthropic Principle should clinch matter, but, no, the cosmologists run roughshod over Occam’s Razor with the Multiverse.  The many-worlds interpretation of QM performs a similar function to eliminate the logical necessity of observers.  

    Naturally, the physicists wish to avoid dealing with the Wheeler-Barrow Final/Participatory Anthropic Principle…… shades of Owen Barfield’s Final Participation.  



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    Post by Mr. Janus Wed May 03, 2023 10:19 pm

    Dan...

    If you absolutely had to choose and there was no escape from answering the question, would you consider yourself more of a Heliocentrist or a Geocentrist?

    Which cosmology better fits the BPW?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 03, 2023 10:51 pm

    Mr. Janus wrote:Dan...

    If you absolutely had to choose and there was no escape from answering the question, would you consider yourself more of a Heliocentrist or a Geocentrist?

    Which cosmology better fits the BPW?

    Did you use ChatGPT to come up with that question?!

    Teeheehee

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    Post by Mr. Janus Wed May 03, 2023 11:02 pm

    Yeah dawg

    Got em where I want em.

    Some things don't change 😈😏

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    Post by dan Thu May 04, 2023 4:16 am

    Mr J,

    Neither one.  

    It would be Anthropocentric/Christocentric, but that, of course, is enough to get you kicked out of the Academy.

    But that is our only road back to sanity.  

    Will the Arab street stand for Christocentricity?  

    The Arab street is paved with blood 🩸.  

    Just because they cannot accept the foolishness of the Cross.  

    That foolishness is our only route to Coherence…… mark my words, 🐣!

    Mr Cat 🐈 appears to be Crucifixt.

    He got the message!

    Which makes more sense?

    The fixt stars, or the fixt person?  

    Poor Chivo, he keeps trying to wiggle off the Cross.  

    Don’t mind me…… I’m just a fixture….. 🐣!

    Mommy, mommy, why do I keep going around in circles?  

    Shut up, or I’ll nail your other foot 🦶 to the floor!  

    It’s time for us to put away our childish things…….

    There is a world of difference between childish and foolish…… as we’re about to find out.  

    Or maybe not so much……

    Suffer the Children…….

    When the portals open, the sky 🌌 will fall on our noggins 🐣.  

    Stop, children, what’s that sound……?  

    Everybody look what’s going down!
    ………


    In the meantime, poor Xi….. his xenophobic paranoia is getting the better of him.  

    Jinnie and Vladdie may be among the first to fall.

    The Bully boys, J,V&D, know that politics is personal, but they have no clue…… Where Do We Come From? … What Are We? …. Where Are We Going?  They might ask Paul G.  

    Things are about to get a lot more personal than they could possibly imagine!  

    ….. or than _we_ could, for that matter…….
    ……….


    The Chivos of the world will tell us to cool it.  

    Soul on Ice.  

    But, isn’t it time we figured out what we are……. and where we’re going.  

    Chivo &Co simply want to keep us ignorant and down in the Garden.  

    They do not want us to rock the boat.  

    I’m not a boat rocker, myself.  

    However, the more we clamp down on the Katechon, the more she’s gonna blow.  

    Even a rather small number of us, pre-attuned to the Truth, could go a long way toward ameliorating the worst effects of the inevitable MoAPS.  
    …………


    It seems that JRJ, on the imaginal thread, is struggling to reinvent the BPWH.  

    No cosmic system, especially one that includes time travel, will ever be able to stabilize short of achieving a close facsimile to the BPW.

    The jguy got there first, and that was two thousand years ago……. you’ll just have to eat your heart out, Jason!  

    All roads have already, and will continue to, lead to the BPWH.

    Should we be impatient?

    Heck, no. We have all the time in the world!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 04, 2023 4:58 pm

    You can cool it because you KNOW what you are and not.

    You aren’t very good at this game Dan.

    I’m not impressed.

    I must have been the one they assigned to you.

    So I must persevere.
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    Post by aaron Thu May 04, 2023 5:04 pm

    His heart out?

    He’s a Prometheus lover boy

    So maybe the liver is more fitting

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 04, 2023 5:08 pm

    You muppets wanna talk about god?

    As if we could even.

    What do you love more than yourself?

    Go ALL IN on that.

    Straight on ‘til mornin.

    That’s your shining star 🌟

    That’s how you know.

    The rest is fake news.

    Let’s get real.
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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu May 04, 2023 10:17 pm

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:You can cool it because you KNOW what you are and not.

    You aren’t very good at this game Dan.

    I’m not impressed.

    I must have been the one they assigned to you.

    So I must persevere.

    They?

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    Post by aaron Fri May 05, 2023 12:21 am

    If you want to talk about god

    The first place you need to start is with the trickster Demi god

    who stole fire/tech from the Olympians

    and gifted it to us mere mortals



    Sound familiar?

    Now that’s something worth writing home about


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    Post by Mr. Janus Fri May 05, 2023 12:43 am

    He was no mere demi-god.

    My man was a TITAN!

    😏


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    Post by aaron Fri May 05, 2023 8:02 am

    JJ was right

    On the one hand we have the deterministic cyborg hive mind folks

    On the other we have the Luddite traditionalists who would that we might de-industrialize the world

    We are being manipulated by a false dialectic

    They want to establish a disempowering totalitarian system

    So that the muppets will be easy to control and influence

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 05, 2023 3:25 pm

    Speak until you have nothing to say.

    All I do now is like writing with vanishing ink.

    Just noting things as they pass by.

    But I have to confess, god has revealed itself.

    It drew me.

    It called me into being.

    There is no doubt here.

    No explanation.

    No answer.

    Life and death requires nothing but for us to participate.

    I can’t give anyone else a map or a theory.

    As soon as the words come, they have already become farts.

    I didn’t seek to prove or disprove god.

    When I asked god what now, it asked me, what do you love.

    I laughed.

    It laughed and it said go ALL IN there until it’s the only thing.

    Then you will have only the slightest clue at why.

    No point.

    One direction.

    Straight on.

    My burden is light.

    “Come let us mock at the great“

    by W. B. Yeats

    Come let us mock at the great
    Come let us mock at the great
    That had such burdens on the mind
    And toiled so hard and late
    To leave some monument behind,
    Nor thought of the levelling wind.

    Come let us mock at the wise;
    With all those calendars whereon
    They fixed old aching eyes,
    They never saw how seasons run,
    And now but gape at the sun.

    Come let us mock at the good
    That fancied goodness might be gay,
    And sick of solitude
    Might proclaim a holiday:
    Wind shrieked—and where are they?

    Mock mockers after that
    That would not lift a hand maybe
    To help good, wise or great
    To bar that foul storm out, for we
    Traffic in mockery.
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    Post by aaron Fri May 05, 2023 3:58 pm

    ok boomer
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 05, 2023 4:05 pm

    says a doomer

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