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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:19 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by 101airborne Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:54 pm

    "The Biblical philosophy of history means that time does not come out of a primeval past but from eternity. The origin of time is not in chaos but in eternity. Evolutionary time emerges out of the past, gropes its way blindly into the present, and moves sightlessly into an unknown future. The movement of time is thus from the past to the present into the future. The movement of time, according to the Bible, is from eternity, since it is created by God and moves out of and in terms of His eternal decree. Because time moves in terms of the eternal decree, when its function is finished there shall be time no more (Rev. 10:6). Because time is predestined, and because its beginning and end are already established, time does not develop in evolutionary fashion from past to present to future. Instead, it unfolds from future to present to past. In Wood's words, "The future is the source, it is the reservoir of time which some day will be present, and then past." Better stated, eternity is the source; time is predestined, and therefore it moves from the future to the present to the past. 'The future is logically first, but not chronologically.' The past issues, it proceeds, from the Future, through the present." - RJ Rushdoony, The Biblical Philosophy of History, Pg 10-11
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:48 pm

    Airborne,

    I agree that the Narrative of our history is formed out of Eternity.

    I don’t follow the literal word of any particular scripture.

    I do believe that in the beginning was the word, and the word became flesh.

    I am a Logos Christian…… following the spirit of truth.

    I believe that ours is the only Creation.

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    Post by dan Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:56 pm

    So what are the most difficult things to explain for an immaterialist?

    The two things that I struggle with the most are atoms and photosynthesis.

    When faced with a puzzle, I resort to the logic of necessity.

    The point is that we could not exist without either.

    Our existence depends on atoms.

    But spirits exist without atoms.

    Why can’t we just be spirits?

    Well, we begin and end as spiritual beings.

    Why can’t we just leave it at that?  

    Having the option of having a material existence is a pretty big deal, most of us would agree.

    Natality, mortality, creating life…… not many of us would choose to forego such an opportunity.  

    A history without metabolism is pretty hard to imagine.

    How many of us would be willing to forgo history?  

    If we’re going to have metabolism, we need atoms and photosynthesis.

    It’s one thing to say that we need them, it’s another thing to figure out how we get them.  

    It’s hard to do better than simply asserting that where there’s a will, there’s a way.

    And here we are with every appearance of atoms ⚛!  

    So, there must be a way.

    But how do we coordinate all of atomic dreams?  

    Why not just have God spit on the dust?  

    We’re trying to minimize our need for a Deus ex Machina.

    This is supposed to be a DIY Genesis.  

    If we can do it ourselves, then we should give it a try!  

    My answer for everything is just to coordinate our dreams.

    Easier said than done?

    Sure, but it’s not beyond the realm of imagination.

    Let’s face it, without the Big Bang ‼, we’re going to have to invoke a cosmic conspiracy.  

    To my mind, the conspiracy is a lot easier to explain…….. especially if we have to invoke 10^500 Big Bangs ‼, as according to Lenny Suskind.

    So there we are!  

    I mean, we mostly agree that we are here, so we must have gotten here, somehow.

    You say by accident.

    chick 🐣 says by conspiracy.

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other.



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    Post by dan Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:09 am

    So, the gang is all here, all 10^10 of us.

    Now, what are we going to do about it?  

    We wait patiently for the cosmic trigger.  

    One substantial portal would likely be sufficient…….. you know, proof of concept.

    I’ve never seen a portal, and you’re not supposed to.

    But I’ve seen one in action, unambiguously…… entangled with three.

    This would have been a wormhole.  

    I saw just saw before she went in, and right after she came out, two blocks away, instantaneously, with me standing in the middle, with my mouth open.

    She smiled, and then I smiled.

    That’s all it takes.

    Was I surprised?  

    I was just biding my time.  

    I already knew that the world was going to have to bend under our weight.

    It did……. in its own sweet time, in its own sweet way.

    Have I ever doubted?

    I’m trying to remember.

    I always knew there had to be an answer……. out there, and in here.

    The two ends would meet up, at the appropriate time.  

    I’m nearly certain that everyone of us already knows this, but most of us moderns like to project a cynicism in public.  

    That’s what it is to be modern.  

    Remember, I had already been to crop circles in England.

    Word on the ground was that they were not all by Doug and Dave.  

    How easy it is to forget that we are not Zombies 🧟‍.  

    We are treated like zombies every day.

    Where would we be without the Katechon?  

    Surely we would not be here.  

    We bide our time.  
    …………..


    I’ve never seen a portal.

    I’ve never seen an atom.

    I believe in both of them……. each in their own way.  

    They are both the result of entanglement.  

    The former is quite personal.

    The latter is decidedly impersonal/interpersonal.
    ………


    There seem to be two sides to reality……

    A subjective side and an inter subjective side.  

    The world is an entanglement of both sides.

    There is the amenable, the not so amenable and the unforgiving.  

    By some accounts, God is forgiving.

    By all accounts, logic and numbers are are unamenable.

    Physics is on the side of numbers.

    We have the physical vs the non-physical….. two sides of the portal.
    ………


    We have limited information about the other side.

    We have considerable information about altered states and near death experiences.  

    There may not be another side.  

    Almost by definition, moderns believe there is not.

    The lack of understanding that we have about the mind, should argue for an agnostic position.

    Without a biological body, our minds are liable to be much less constrained.

    Would we not tend to meld back into the cosmic mind, from which we are alleged to have emerged?

    I suspect that this is what most folks believe, in any case.

    The only real issue, in that regard, is the degree to which the cosmic mind is liable to have a personal dimension.

    Such a dimension is rendered more likely by the existence of the universal personhood of which we all partake.



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    Post by dan Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:25 am

    Every thoughtful person has come to the conclusion that thought is either nothing or is everything.  

    No.  

    That’s not where thinking starts.

    Thinking 🤔 starts with…… why ❓.

    Why what?

    Well, okay, why anything?

    That’s getting pretty sophisticated.

    The slightly more sophisticated question….

    Why is there something, rather than nothing?

    ChatGPT……..
    Ultimately, the question of "why existence" is deeply philosophical and may not have a single, universally satisfying answer. It's a question that invites contemplation and exploration of our place in the universe and the nature of reality. Different perspectives offer various insights into this profound and enduring philosophical inquiry.
    Prior to this conclusion, it comes up with four perspectives…….. existential, metaphysical, scientific and theological.
    ………….


    This is the best that a bot 🤖 can do.

    We need to do better……….

    Vladdie has called the bluff on postmodern pluralism and secular humanism.  

    He has called the bluff on existentialism.

    He and every other tin-horn in town is just ethnically oriented, and has told his people……. do it my way……… or else.  

    Secular humanism is not able to stand up.

    Its only dictum is that we should try to be nice.

    This is what the remaining democracies are telling the autocrats.

    The autocrats have no reason to listen.


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    Post by GSB Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:24 am

    Disclosure gets personal:

    Joe Firmage

    Aug. 31, 2023, 11:36 AM
    Tech Entrepreneur Sued Over $25 Million Lab Project Ponzi Scheme

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/tech-entrepreneur-sued-over-25-million-lab-project-ponzi-scheme


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    Post by dan Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:54 am

    Gary,

    I’m unable to get past the pay wall…….

    But, yes, fools and their money will continue to be parted.  

    And, for now, with the Coverup/Katechon remaining in effect, the Government is contributing to the confusion.  
    …………


    The scientific materialists are desperate for a continuation of material progress.

    They certainly don’t want to hear the truth.

    They don’t want to hear the message from the stars ✨.

    It’s rather clear, even from the congressional hearings, that bodies have been recovered.

    Undoubtedly messages have been received.

    It is doubtful that the messages fall outside the range of what we’ve been hearing from contactees, for the last eighty years.

    If the messages had technical content, there would be rumors of technical advances beyond what we are hearing from the likes of Joe Firmage.

    In point of fact, Joe considers himself a contactee.

    He doesn’t want to advertise that fact, because the message had little or no bearing on the ‘technology’ he has been attempting to promote.

    Rather, the message is in the medium.

    Yes, down through the ages, there has been otherworldly contact.  

    This contact has had almost nothing to do with technology.

    The preferred term for this contact is inter-dimensional…… or, simply, a visitation.
    ……..


    The ufo 🛸 phenomenon provides a common motif for these visits.

    But the Ufos are almost invariably accompanied by paranormal phenomena.  

    The does not prevent the investors and governments from throwing money at the presumed technological dimension.  

    This brings us back to the why questions.  

    Why would we be haunted, thusly?  

    Such hauntings only tend to push us closer to the collapse of scientific materialism.

    Is that their purpose?  

    If not the purpose, it is the effect.  
    …………..


    I suggest that scientific materialism or physicalism is the Katechon that is restraining the advent of the metaphysical harbingers of the Eschaton.

    It was the prophetic traditions that, in the West, overwhelmed the pagan traditions.

    Trafficking with the spirits was made a deadly sin.

    There were centuries of inquisition before the emergence of science.

    Contrary to what I was told, I don’t believe that the opening of the portals can be massively spontaneous.

    This eventuality would contradict what I was told about the entanglement of the portals.

    Such entanglements would necessarily span both sides.

    The conceptual hegemony of scientific modernism along with the continuing influence of the prophetic tradition has very effectively restrained the entanglements on this side.



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    Post by dan Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:46 pm

    The forces of history have powerfully restrained our metaphysical entanglements.  

    This is the lid on Pandora’s Box 📦.

    An opening of the portals will effectively remove that lid.

    One might even say that all hell will break loose.

    At this point, there is considerable confusion.

    We have the prophecy of the Tribulation…….
    And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
    The literalists are rather sure that the Tribulation is yet to come.

    My view, on the other hand, is that the four centuries of scientific modernism constitute our collective dark night of the soul.

    The opening of the portals will bring back the spiritual light.

    We have spoken about godless communism.

    Vladimir now portrays himself as resisting godless capitalism.

    Yes, there is considerable confusion.

    We have been through four centuries of spiritual tribulation.  

    Here’s hoping that our Tribulation is mostly behind us.

    However, the opening of the portals is liable to result in considerable social chaos.

    Where in this historical confusion will Disclosure be able to provide any relief?  
    ……….  


    Then there is this……. “The Story of Our Universe May Be Starting to Unravel” in the NYT.  

    Unfortunately, the confusion is only liable to increase.
    An even more radical possibility, discussed by the physicist John Wheeler, is that every act of observation influences the future and even the past history of the universe. (Dr. Wheeler, working to understand the paradoxes of quantum mechanics, conceived of a “participatory universe” in which every act of observation was in some sense a new act of creation.)
    ……….

    The philosopher Robert Crease has written that philosophy is what’s required when doing more science may not answer a scientific question. It’s not clear yet if that’s what’s needed to overcome the crisis in cosmology. But if more tweaks and adjustments don’t do the trick, we may need not just a new story of the universe but also a new way to tell stories about it.
    Hmmm…….

    Story-time, anyone?

    So, we have the Grand Deception and the Great Apostasy of the last four centuries.

    We should not go around pointing fingers at innocent bystanders.

    It looks like we may be in the middle of our own cosmic setup.

    All the better for the Cosmic Self/the I Am, to have us for dinner.

    After all, we are her chicks 🐣.

    It’s ok ✅ to put all your eggs 🥚 in one basket 🧺.

    Just be sure to watch the basket carefully!



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    Post by RealPan Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:21 pm

    Great response. It is hard to take a position orthogonal to the Loons and Crooks, as you no doubt will alienate most of the schizophrenics; and who else might care? They have their shared delusions and technoscams, and as with the so called military industrial complex, the Crooks have infiltrated the political sphere to perpetuate the flow of cash and ensure a mental illness crises that feeds their increasing demand for Loons. Crazy as you may be perceived, you have managed to keep your independence of thought enabling the blog to flow in its own path.
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    Post by dan Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:36 am

    With loons, crooks and worse, there is, of course, an implied disparagement.

    Over the years, however, they have become veritable terms of endearment.

    We are the best possible loons, crooks and worse.

    Doug’s musical sports a song to this effect.  

    And these are not idle words.

    We have all come to know one another.  
    ……….


    Ques que le problème du jour?  

    Today, let it be the Moon 🌝.  

    Let’s consider two classes of existence…..  

    We have the mundane and the supra-mundane.

    Or, say, the sub-lunar and the celestial.  

    How about the accessible and the inaccessible?  

    When it comes to inaccessible, consider the Multiverse.

    Consider two kinds of universe……. the inhabited and the uninhabited.  

    Or, let’s make it simpler…… the ones with life and those without.  

    Ok, so we are considering an inaccessible, lifeless universe…… or just call it unobservable.

    In what sense might we say that such an object exists?

    Does its claim to existence differ from that of a square circle, for instance?  

    The cosmologists, almost universally, take multiverses very seriously.

    They have to.

    Their livelihoods depend upon them.  

    Otherwise they would have to become chick 🐣’s eschatological acolytes!

    Can anyone think of a worse fate?!

    Ok, so, all possible universes exist.  

    All are mutually unobservable, by definition.

    But, wait a minute, how do we know that they’re not remote viewable?
    ………..


    I’ve been watching Jack Sarfatti on YouTube with AlienScientist, Jeremy Rys, from 2 days ago.  

    Jack is entertaining, as always, with lots of name dropping, and a few equations mixed in.  

    One thing for sure, Jack hates ‘philosofawzy’.

    He must be on the spectrum, I’m just not sure which spectrum.

    Ontology is his weak suit.
    ………..


    Similar stuff with fewer interruptions is on with Danny Jones (Koncrete) a few days earlier.  Jack has been pretty busy.

    Jack’s ontology is Pythagorean/Tegmarkian.  

    His take on non-linear QM explains consciousness.

    With mathematicism, it’s not always clear if you are talking epistemology or ontology.  

    And where were we……..

    The ontological status of unobservable universes…….

    They could be remote viewable.

    I would strongly suspect that RVing also requires entanglements.

    Entanglements are all about life and mind.

    Wikipedia has a helpful article on the many versions of multiverse theory.

    For now, let’s consider the notion of an infinite universe.

    If you’re a physicalist, you have to believe the ETH.  

    In an infinite universe, there would be an infinite number of ET civilizations.

    If you are a strict materialist, you believe in no paranormal or psychic phenomena.  

    Even physicalists believe in spooky quantum physics.

    But strict materialists believe in evolution.  

    Then there are the strict skeptics.

    Do they believe in technological progress?  

    At some point mind overcomes matter, otherwise progress is limited.

    And we must be near that limit.

    All civilizations are limited.
    ……….


    What I’m suggesting is that scientific materialism is not holding out much hope for us.

    The days of robust technological progress appear to be waning.

    We can even shed a tear Crying or Very sad for those days.

    Switching gears appears daunting.

    We have gone way out on a limb pursuing our blue sky dreams.

    Sustainability is not presently within our grasp.

    What I’m claiming, however, is that it is unlikely that we are here by mistake.

    Yes, many see that we have gotten ourselves into a tunnel.

    The question is whether there is any light at the end.

    Most all of us go on with our daily lives……… as if we had any choice in the matter.



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    Post by dan Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:14 am

    We’ve only made a billion babies.

    We could have made a trillion!

    All that starlight going to waste……

    We’ve taken our WEB pictures, and left our footprints 👣.

    We have led storied lives.  

    But where is all that starlight?  

    The philosophers tell us that it is in our heads……

    Because we are meant to be one with the One.

    Can we doubt that ours has been the best possible narrative……. sub specie aeternitatis?  

    Can we doubt that Eternity is waiting for us.  

    How long do we want to keep her waiting?

    Only long enough.

    Now it’s time to laugh and cry, and cry and laugh about it all again.  


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    Post by dan Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:51 am

    For there to be such a show as ours, we would have to keep ourselves distracted and down on the farm.

    There would have to be a Grand Illusion.

    Did we not outdo ourselves?  

    Well, we would need a bit of leverage from the Telos.

    Better than this, however, we would need a narrative…… complete with the choreography.  

    I mean, what else is there to do, chéz the I Am, for Eternity?

    There would have to be a stage and a backdrop.

    There would have to be plenty of Easter Eggs 🪺.  
    ……….


    Wait a minute, I think we need to slow down here.

    We need to take ‘er easy……….

    Here’s the deal……

    We either have a Big Bang, or an I Am.

    If we want to create something, these are the recommended/available foundations.  

    We go with mind or matter.

    We’ve been seeing the matter game for the last several centuries, at least.  

    We’ve pretty much forgotten that there was an alternative.

    What would be the deal with the mind game?  

    Us, mentalists, are liable to have Big Bang ❗ envy.  

    The Big Bang and Nature make a terrific background.

    But there is no here……. there.

    Being Here/Now is what the I Am is all about.

    It might be more to the point to say that the I Am is all about Being.

    But how would we get there?  

    Well, why is there something rather than nothing?  

    The Big Bang ❗ is something…..

    But the I Am is….. Something!  

    Trust me, there is a difference.

    Without a boot on the ground we are Nowhere.

    But we are Somewhere.

    How did we get from Nowhere to Somewhere?  

    Was it via the Big Bang?  
    ………..


    How does Being emerge?  

    We have been told that it is something spontaneous.

    But wait one minute……. not so fast, Buster!

    How many such spontaneities have there been?

    Somewhere/somewhen, there was an experience of Now.

    So far, so good 😊……..

    But what happens with the next emergence 🚨?

    And wait again……..

    We’re already going too fast.  

    By saying ‘next’ we’ve already loaded the die 🎲.

    We’re falling back onto the Big Bang.

    But there are two time frames.  

    There is the fixed frame……. and the moving one.
    …….  


    For the purpose of our discussion, it might behoove to put the Big Bang in brackets.

    (The latest word from the JWST is that the BB is simply not showing up.)

    So let’s take Fred Hoyle’s steady state theory as a for instance.

    Let’s suppose that consciousness arises in the Milky Way.  

    We separately take consciousness to have arisen in the Andromeda galaxy.  

    We have two Nows…….. one for the MW civilization and another for the AG civilization.  
    …………..


    Ok, we have two civilizations, many light years apart.

    And suppose they emerged simultaneously, according some hypothetical universal time.

    How could they communicate?

    Each one is always signaling into the other’s past.  

    Sorry, I can only receive your future signals.

    Presentism doesn’t work with a finite speed of communication.

    Einstein told us, over a century ago, that there is no such thing as the present.

    But if there is no present, then there is no Presence…….. no I Am.

    God is impossible……. there is no such thing as a cosmic Self.

    When I first learned this, it seemed to be an epistemological platitude.

    But as I’m seeing it, now, it is an ontological certitude.

    Something is not computing.

    Or, is this just another argument for the small world hypothesis?



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    Post by RealPan Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:37 pm

    He who travels without a guide needs two hundred years to complete a journey of two hundred miles. Respect your guide and travel wisely.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:52 pm

    Well, RP,

    Would you care to suggest someone as a Guide?
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    Post by dan Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:26 am

    What I’m suggesting is that cosmic consciousness makes sense only in the context of a small, presumably geocentric, world.    

    This is said with the understanding that consciousness is defined as being focused on a self and a now.

    The self and the now are virtually synonymous.

    This is personalism.

    However, there is no person outside the context of the interpersonal.

    This is the most rudimentary form of Pratityasamutpada……. co-dependent arising.

    There can’t be one person without another.

    Cosmic consciousness must be personal….. it must be small and presumably geocentric.

    You may say that I’m biased, but this very simple fact is what distinguishes xianity……… For God so loved the world……..

    It’s all beginning to make sense.  

    To be anything, consciousness must be shared.

    The I Am was sharing his consciousness with the world…… via the jguy.

    Understand that this explains the observer problem in quantum physics.

    Well, to be honest, I’m not entirely sure how, yet, but I’m rather sure that we’ll get there.  

    I’m pretty much saying that prior to that time we were zombies.

    We recognize that as being a rather strong statement.

    So be it.

    Did you get that, all you modernists out there?  

    It doesn’t say that God so loved the Universe or that God so loved the Multiverse.

    No, it doesn’t, does it?  

    chick 🐣 wonders if Elon has gotten the message.

    There is no there, there.

    There is only here…… here and now.  

    This is why scriptural fundamentalism doesn’t work.

    Be here, or be square.

    Wonderful.  

    So, then, how do stars work?  

    Quantum or no quantum, we are the only observers.

    In other words, stars exist only sub specie aeternitatis.

    Even stars are not there.

    There is no there, there!  

    Is it all in our heads?

    That’s pretty much what we’re saying.

    Creator and Creation arose co-dependently.

    We are all sharing in that Being……. here and now!  

    This is what cosmic consciousness is about.

    Now, we can sit down and have a beer 🍻 with the cosmic consciousness……… we all partake.

    This is personalism…….. sub specie aeternitatis.

    And what about our free will?

    This and the Quantum, we’re still working on.



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    Post by dan Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:01 am

    Ok, sports fans, there is a rumor afoot……..

    The guide for this arduous journey is alleged to be Ibn Arabi (1165-1240).  

    And, if Ibn and I get along, there would then be a Tasseography meeting.

    Ibn 'Arabi is known for being the first person to explicitly delineate the concept of "Wahdat ul-Wujud" ("Unity of Being"), a monist doctrine which claimed that all things in the universe are manifestations of a singular "reality".

    We might get along….. real good.  
    ………..  


    Ibn may have a fatal flaw.

    He professed the eternity of the world.

    The BPWH claims that history is finite.

    There is a fine distinction……..

    I’m not totally clear about this distinction, myself.

    It’s finite history is eternally accessible.

    Exactly how that access is mediated…… I’m not the one to ask.  

    The idea of ever being one with the One is simply not accessible outside of xianity.  

    Even, or especially, Ibn’s monism is not personal.

    It is absolute, as with Parmenides, who scooped Ibn by a couple of thousand years, in that regard.

    He states that humans are merely reflections of God.

    An xian would never say that the jguy was a reflection of anything.

    He was the real deal.

    And, besides……..
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do……


    And it goes on……..
    If you love Me, you will keepe My commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocatef to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.
    Hmmm…….



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    I earned the title of West Coast Marine engaged in Missions that I fortunately can no longer recall, the worst of which was guarding the Chicken while on travel so that the Princess might complete her mission. He interjects and interferes -- disregards and disinforms. Where the Chicken travels, there remains a trail of chicken crap for others to clean. As the West Coast Marine, my role is NOT cleaning up the chicken crap.
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    Chicken crap may be offensive when first delivered, but over time it matures into a high quality fertilizer nurturing those who follow to bloom.

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    Post by dan Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:48 pm

    What happens when the Katechon and the Eschaton walk into a bar together…… as choreographed by Pan.

    There is liable to be friction.

    That being said, I have great respect for the WCM and his Katechon.  

    It is highly principled.

    The chick 🐣 is not here to sell the Eschaton.  

    I speak of it with no small amount of trepidation.

    But there is handwriting on the wall, which many of us find difficult to ignore.

    WCM also sees the handwriting.

    He strongly believes, however, that it is not something for mortals to tout……. or to meddle with.

    The Katechon, on the other hand, is just plain old conservatism.

    In the meantime, we have Ibn Arabi.

    He did tout the Eschaton, but not as anything imminent.

    He was able to defend the Eschaton on just rational grounds.

    But notice that he was explicitly engaging his rationality just for that purpose.

    As for me, one can hardly fail to notice that eschatology is being touted far and wide.

    Given that prevalence, it behooves us to put it in its best possible context.

    And, given my immaterialist sympathies, I can hardly ignore its prophetic pedigree.  

    Color the chick perfectly innocent!  

    Just don’t try to tell that to Skai.
    ……..


    Nevertheless, Ibn and I are monist eschatologists.

    This is a fairly exclusive club.

    Show us one other member.

    Ibn, however, needless to say, never had to face up to modern cosmology.
    ………..


    Things are a bit more daunting these days with cosmology and the JWST.  

    But don’t think I’m not tracking the JWST.

    That the Big Bang ❗ is coming under review has hardly escaped my attention.  

    Between Chivo and three, chick might be able to get a better handle on the portal situation, and get a better handle on how we could combine Disclosure with a more gradual opening.

    That would be the trick of the hour…….. a significant step towards the best possible Eschaton.

    Yes, what would Francois V say about them apples 🍎?  

    What would Ibn A say about them apples?

    Chivo suggests that we check out Peter Kingsley.

    He also suggests that the likes of Dugin may have corrupted the Russian Orthodox Church, but that elements of the Eastern Orthodox Church may still be intact.

    He is also saying to pay attention to Persephone.

    I’m wondering how Persephone and Prometheus might relate.

    They are all definitely involved with portals……. and not just in the ancient of days.  

    Hopefully, then, with a little help from C&P and P&E, etc……., we could have a soft landing 🛬 with the Eschaton.  

    That’s the basic idea, anyway.

    I’m not sure that Skai would approve, however.

    If you’re like me, you’re getting the feeling that all the world’s problems have already been solved, and that we’re about the last ones to figure it out.  

    All we’re trying to figure out now is how and when to make the announcement.

    Why wasn’t the announcement made yesterday?  

    Remember when I said to three that our biggest problem was that we didn’t have any problems.

    So she looked at me and said…….. you want to see problems…… I’ll show you problems.

    Somehow, our signals are getting crossed.

    It wouldn’t be the first time!  

    Maybe we just have to negotiate it with Skai.  

    Ok, so the Katechon and the Eschaton walk into a bar together and settle how and when to make the announcement.



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    “When I came to you with those calculations,” Oppenheimer tells Einstein, “we thought we might start a chain reaction that might destroy the entire world.” “What of it?” Einstein asks. “I believe we did,” Oppenheimer says.

    Chivo pointed this out to me, as an indication that Oppie had esoteric knowledge of the sort that Peter was discussing, above.  

    I didn’t get it last night.  

    Now, I’m wondering if Chivo got it.  

    Do you get it?  

    Did Einstein get it?  

    The Peter Kingsley style interpretation should be that Oppie &Co started an historical chain reaction that would be the end of history.  

    How many of us are getting this?  

    How many of us are blogging about it?  

    With this understanding, we open the portals.  

    Is the chick 🐣 wrong 😑?  

    Until this morning, I had thought that Robert was just referring to the potential to destroy worlds.

    But now I’m wondering if he realized that he/they were opening the portal at the end of history.  

    Isn’t this is what Chivo was pointing to?  
    …………


    I spoke with Painter Doug.  

    Things do seem to be coming together.  

    There may be a Tasseography in the works.

    We reminded each other of some recent happenings. $
    ………


    Kant's Ethical Community: Social Contract, Eschatology, and the Role of God" by Justin  Hawkins
    Did we already know that the father of modern philosophy was an eschatologist?

    How widely known is this, pray tell?

    The modernists just don’t know what to do with this kind of information.

    And there is only one topic amongst the postmodernists that is verboten…….. any notion of a Metanarrative.

    Eschatology has got to be at the heart of any Metanarrative.  

    Kingsley reads Parmenides as saying that this "ultimate reality" is not on some supercelestial plane, but rather is very simply the reality of the world all around us. We live in an unborn and deathless world of oneness, wholeness, and changelessness—but we are unable to recognise it because mortal perception itself is dualistic. Thus, as in Empedocles, everything in Parmenides' cosmos is divine—and, importantly, the divine is not "somewhere else," but rather, right here and now.
    . Uh, oh, whatever happened to the Metanarrative?

    There seems to be some sort of confusion here.



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    Post by painterdoug Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:23 am

    oppenheimers , " I think we did" could carry many an interpretation.

    an end of one era and a start of another?

    An actual cosmic alteration of sorts. The " WE" that continued since, are collectively altered from those prior .A new timeline, a new trajectory?.

    but it still stinks so Ill get back to my work

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    Post by dan Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:20 am

    I don’t believe that you do justice to these words.

    Especially not in the context of his more dramatic words soon to be uttered…… quoting Vishnu from the Bhagavad Gita.



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    Post by painterdoug Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:54 am

    the maker and destroyer of worlds quote? yes , Why dont you share your take on all ?
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    Post by dan Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:10 am

    It’s between the Katechon and the Eschaton.  

    No one, in their normal mind, is pushing the Eschaton.

    In the guise of the chick 🐣, I advocate for the best possible Eschaton.  

    Scientific materialism cannot hold out much longer.  

    Too many anomalous phenomena have been swept 🧹 under the rug of materialism.

    Applied science will continue.

    Physicalism,  however, will be replaced by a metaphysical ontology.

    The shock of Alamagordo has faded, and, now, we carry on as if it were business as usual.

    Current events, however, demonstrate that there are cracks in our normality.



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    I rather think we have normality in our cracks

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