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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:34 am

    Dan wrote: The Throop Principle and the Anthropic Principle are the same. Alpha = Omega. The One = the Zero = the Everything.

    Actually, the answer to the great question of life, the universe and everything ... is 42 ... it was a tough assignment!

    "I think the problem is that you've never actually known what the question is ... you have to know what the question actually is in order to know what the answer means ... "

    "Tricky ..."

    "I speak of none but the computer that is to come after me ..."



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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:55 am

    I'm now convinced the question to the answer is the number of flavors of shaved ice!



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    Post by dan Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:33 am

    Gary,

    Wonderful.
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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:35 pm

    dan wrote:Gary,

    Wonderful.



    Cyrellys author of DRACO I GhostWolf CH 11 wrote:
    EXCERPT:

    "REFERENCE: The traditional concept of service is based upon the honor of the soul and the respect that
    we tender to other souls...It is only when we are able and willing to look beyond the
    boundaries of our own concerns and inquire what is wrong and to what extent we are
    involved in putting things right that we truly understand service. ~ Caitlin Mathews,
    on Service of the Grail, Celtic Spirit.

    Deferred life inevitably means lost opportunity. We can stand only so much of this. To
    refrain from action, from personal engagement, from practicing skills and talents, from
    the formation of satisfying relationships is to marginalize our power. Never being
    attuned to our power, never being able to cooperate with it, sends the message of
    despair to our soul. ~ Caitlin Mathews, on A Life Deferred, Celtic Spirit.

    The mapping of our spiritual progress will certainly not be straight forward or easy to
    record. We will have to be alert to subtle changes and correspondences between what
    we experience and what seems to be true for us. ~ Caitlin Mathews, on Spirtual
    Navigation, Celtic Spirit."

    QUOTE from Draft:
    "As a people," Connery explained, "we understand now that the beauty of creativity,
    opportunity and the pursuit of ALL BEING cannot exist with any true permanence without
    also the warriors vigilance. It is an allied quality."
    A flash of light occurred at the other end of the room and all three looked up to see Merope
    emerge from an ethereal rift between worlds. Her topaz gown, light and silken, catching
    the slightest of air movement, rippling around her as she moved softly forward toward
    their small group.
    "Lady! An unexpected honor," Alana murmured smiling in welcome.
    Connery bowed, his hand over his heart in an act of deep respect.
    Merope returned the smile, tipping her head gracefully to Alana and Connery.
    "I came to lay my own encouragement upon the child of the Gift."
    Merope took Zari's hands in her own and examined her face with the gleam of kenning. It
    flowed over Zari like a cool summer breeze, fresh as if brought straight from the Starlight
    Garden, it's touch so gentle it was barely perceivable, yet tangibly directed from within
    the complex mind matrice by the collective Adepts.
    "Daughter, the soul encompasses the vastness of time and space, uncircumscribed by
    temporal dimensions. It expresses itself within the physical life. Physical life is
    comprised of three elements described in metaphor: the depths of oceans, the breadths of
    lands, and the mystery regions of the heavens. The fusion of these elements with the
    ensouled, who lives within the dispensation of these dimensions, upholds the very fabric
    of our reality," she counseled in a voice soft, but precisely enunciated.
    "Yet," and Merope then reached up deftly brushing an errant strand of red hair from
    Zari's eyes, "the soul itself is greater even than this, capable of perception and travel
    beyond these realms, into a wider domain unseen by our immediate experience. For the
    soul, the passage of ages is but a day in cosmic time. You as twice-born are surpassing a
    threshold and entering a plane of experience where the greater truths and dimensions will
    in good time become apparent to you. This experience will come with appropriate
    teachers. I leave you in the good hands of Cheeosh, for he walks the path your qualities,
    soul-tied intelligences, and allies already tread...a path the immensity of the cosmos
    reflected within you, calls to you so powerfully about. Walk with confidence that you do indeed belong on it," Merope encouraged her.
    The incredibly beautiful Adept with the butterfly-wing patterns on her eyes, released her
    grip on Zari's hands, stepped back two paces with a gentle smile and vanished from the
    room as if she had been but a ghost.

    RELATED to above.

    A Dialog - wrote:
    A Dialog: Who am I; Who are You; What are We? Our tangled web of Theory and Implementation.

    The more He (Man) attempts to clutch the world,
    the more he feels it as a process in motion.
    And he mutters "How Wondrous, How Wondrous!"
    and when his friend asks What is the Tao of Physics?
    He answers simply "walk on" and they realized
    they are in a conscious living space where the great gate
    is wide open to bestow alms and no crowd is blocking the way.
    ~ Joy Roy Choudhury, author of Rains Winds and Cycles;
    via email thread August 31st, 2015

    Which Universe Do You Want to Live In? It's Your Choice
    ~ Deepak Chopra.

    The Human Universe Theory - is based on the undeniable fact that any universe must be
    based on the human mind's ability to think about reality. If all knowledge is rooted in
    human consciousness, perhaps we are viewing not the real universe but a "selective one
    based on the limitations of the brain." It is a confusion of epistemology with ontology,
    i.e. confusing our knowledge - the map with objective reality - the territory. It is
    basically a narcissistic new age me-generation view from the 60s and 70s that was
    unfortunately actually stimulated by Niels Bohr's Copenhagen Interpretation of
    Quantum Theory. For historical background see David Kaiser's book "How The Hippies
    Saved Physics. ~ Jack Sarfatti, via email thread August 31, 2015.

    The Simulation Argument - Until I talked to Nick Bostrom, a philosopher at Oxford
    University, it never occurred to me that our universe might be somebody else’s hobby. I
    hadn’t imagined that the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the heavens and earth could
    be an advanced version of a guy who spends his weekends building model railroads or
    overseeing video-game worlds like the Sims. But now it seems quite possible. In fact, if
    you accept a pretty reasonable assumption of Dr. Bostrom’s, it is almost a mathematical
    certainty that we are living in someone else’s computer simulation.
    ~ John Tierny, Our Lives, Controlled From Some Guy's Couch;
    New York Times, August 14, 2007.

    The simulation is the the ontology in that case. We are pieces of the simulation and you
    might say that the simulation is a stubbornly persistent allusion but functionally
    speaking it's no different from the concept of objective reality. ~ Jack Sarfatti, via email thread August 31, 2015.

    However, there remains the possibility that "knowledge" (of the map) creates the
    simulated reality -- "knowledge" (of the map) is the only reality we can experience and
    the physics we "think" we observe serves to keep the human mind/map coherent (I think
    that is Dan Smith's position?)
    ~ Gary S. Bekkum, Jedi Journalist-Author-Researcher.

    "The field of the finite is all that we can see, hear, touch, remember and describe. This
    field is basically that which is manifest, or tangible. The essential quality of the infinite,
    by contrast, is its subtlety, its intangibility. This quality is conveyed in the word spirit,
    whose root meaning is 'wind, or breath'. This suggests an invisible but pervasive
    energy, to which the manifest world of the finite responds. This energy, or spirit, infuses
    all living beings, and without it any organism must fall apart into its constituent
    elements. That which is truly alive in the living being is this energy of spirit, and this is
    never born and never dies."
    ~ David Bohm, Quantum Physicist.

    The Question is what is the Question?
    Is it all a Magic Show?
    Is Reality an Illusion?
    What is the framework of the Machine?
    Darwin`s Puzzle: Natural Selection?
    Where does Space-Time come from?
    Is there any answer except that it comes from consciousness?
    What is Out There?
    IT`is Ourselves?
    Or, is IT all just a Magic Show?
    ~ John Wheeler, Theoretical Physicist - General Relativity.

    Phenomena as they appear and resound
    Are neither established nor real
    Since they keep changing in all possible and various manners
    Just like appearances in magical illusions.
    ~ Asvaghosa, Philosopher-Poet; India d.150 A.D.

    Definition "FiOs" : "Vision, Memory, Dream" Berla Feini (Old Irish), "Knowledge"
    Modern Irish.

    Dreams (truths, intent, ontology) will not manifest without
    our active help, or without the energizing grace of the spirit.
    And while that grace is generously available to us,
    it will not accomplish our dreams without our hard work.
    When our dreams manifest through this process, the whole world is creation.
    ~ Caitlin Mathews, Celtic Revivalist & Author in the Celtic Shamanic
    Ancestral Tradition.

    The soul of each one of us is sent, that the universe may be complete. ~ PLOTINUS, Enneads.

    Extrapolate what I've just said. Cy

    Exploration of: The Mythic Truth - Quote with honor, from the book, The Celtic Spirit by Caitlin Mathews wrote:For some people, the juxtaposition of the words mythic and truth may take a lot of
    swallowing. Myth has become so devalued by our society that we fail to see how there
    could be anything remotely truthful about it. We have substituted news and history for
    myth in our society, giving them the primacy of factual truth; myth, on the other hand,
    has taken on connotations of wild and wooolly believing, of unsubstantiated rumor or
    the warped understandings of ancient peoples. Myth is not just about ancient stories of
    spiritual beings, however; it is the current and ever-living dimension of things that are
    happening now, to us, to the land, to the world. Myth is the concordance of life's
    meaning, the story behind the story.
    The mythic truth represents nothing less than the totality of a thing; it is all that we can
    know about something, its essential core and being. Our daily self-deceptions and
    contradictions cannot hide from the light of mythic truth, which illuminates the truth or
    error of our lives. The psychological application of myths to the human condition is very
    interesting and often enlightening; we do indeed share many truths from world myths.
    But the greatest enlightenment comes when we understand our own mythology, within
    the context of our own lives.
    -- Caitlin Mathews.


    tbc.


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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:40 pm

    tbc pt 2

    Excerpt from "DRACO I - GhostWolf wrote:A lively native flute tune whistled over the pre-dawn red desert plateau. The table land
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    itself, echoed the tune out into the vast drop of the large dry-season arroyo below. Behind
    him in the scrub, a cricket had ceased its own song just to listen to Chee's.
    Satisfied with the new tune, Cheeosh put the flute down on a rock, then lit a white sage
    chub in an elegantly etched ceramic bowl boasting a star motif on the inside. Chee then
    waved sage smoke over his body. The greenish blue smoke carried its heady scent in giant
    swirls around him. He set the bowl and chub to one side rose and went to a bedroll that
    was laid out beside a dormant fire pit. He stretched out on the bedroll, gazed up at the
    stars, and allowed himself to fall slowly into the half sleep of the shamanic state.
    The universe arrayed beneath his wingtips. Immense constellations vied for his attention
    and then rolled away. For a time he floated in that in-between place, devoid of millennial
    reckoning or charged concerns and expectations. Then he was high above the Earth in a
    position he'd not visited before. His eagle's wings stretched, instinctively seeking the
    touch of wind and sun, but there was only the flow of unseen subtle waves of cosmic
    energy to find.
    He banked and wheeled in that void over the world to come down closer to the realm of
    nature, with its potentcies of human and inhuman reflections and revelations.
    It was then he came upon a strange sight. It was a battle of titan proportions whirling,
    rising, and diving in a dance that reminded him of something he might otherwise have
    forgotten. He watched as the delta's wingman fired the red-flaming arrows that took off
    the wing panels of the boomerang. The big boomerang rolled over to realign for another
    run at the delta. And then a silvery psychic energy snaked from the clear canopy top of
    the boomerang, down its bent wing and encapsulated the damaged area.
    Chee's dream eagle screamed in surprise. A deep desire to protect the occupant of the
    boomerang welled up in him and his dream mind sought out the pilot of the other delta.
    His thought-wave streaked into the delta's cockpit. Wielding the warriors frenzy, he
    pulverized the draco inside, causing the craft to fail reacting to the boomerang's final drive
    to shoot it down.
    The colors of the delta's explosion filled his eagle eye, growing till only there was only
    fiery yellow light and then slowly receding into the wake of an intense magnetic
    disturbance in the stratosphere. His dream eagle rolled in the void, momentarily drawing
    its wings in close protectively then fanning them out to their greatest extent, as it took up
    a new trajectory.
    His spirit-eagle sought out the damaged boomerang. It was slowly heeling over into an
    uncontrolled dive to the earth. Smoke billowed in a long sad stream from the broken
    wing. Chee sent his ghostly eagle body diving after it, reaching out with quantum thought
    waves, first to match pace and then to protectively envelope the cockpit of the critically
    damaged craft. He focused on sealing the rents in the wing as it vented atmosphere.
    Side by side they raced toward the earth, the ethereal eagle of the Jemez shaman and the
    broken starship.
    As the craft careened earthward they passed a high-altitude aircraft with blinding speed.
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    At that moment, he sensed the boomerang pilot's struggle to maintain flight control. And
    he sensed something else...
    ...an unfettered howl of elemental turmoil; a star-rending fury melded with a frustration
    no man could hope to understand.
    Chee awoke violently from the dream and bolted upright from the bedroll on the mesa
    with a physical speed he had not mustered in more than a century.

    The ancient term geis refers to a concept that means a binding obligation that has to be
    upheld at all costs. It also at times contains a sense of taboo, something forbidden. It is
    a concept who's meaning is intertwined with one's honor and the obligations or
    prohibitions to which an individual is bound and proclaimed, often at birth or at a childs
    initiation into adulthood. Each champion is imbued with a geis or geasa (plural) which
    ensure our success, our survival, and our integrity; keeping us and the greater story
    singing us from harm. Every geis increases or evolves as the bound individual, he or
    herself, grows. No one chooses all their geasa. Those laid upon a champion are often
    highly inconvenient, demanding, restricting freedom. But also reminding us of the
    boundaries of our honor, the universe in relation to us, and to the contracts of life itself.
    ~ Old Irish Tradition, Pacific Northwest USA.

    ...an unfettered howl of elemental turmoil; a star-rending fury melded with a frustration
    no man could hope to understand.


    Deferred life inevitably means lost opportunity. We can stand only so much of this. To
    refrain from action, from personal engagement, from practicing skills and talents, from
    the formation of satisfying relationships is to marginalize our power. Never being
    attuned to our power, never being able to cooperate with it, sends the message of
    despair to our soul. ~ Caitlin Mathews, on A Life Deferred, Celtic Spirit.

    The soul of each one of us is sent, that the universe may be complete.
    ~ PLOTINUS, Enneads.


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    DEFINITIONS:

    Quantum Thought Field: A thought energy field, viewed as either a singular or
    series of collections of thoughts, attributes, or whole consciousness matrices that
    are inter-related by their common theme or experience and bound together as a
    functional unit. Thoughts are the information that first precipitates from energy as
    it begins a process of slowing down until finally it is slowed to a standstill, as if
    frozen in time in the form of matter. In this view, mind and matter differ little at
    all; they are simply different transformational steps is the process of creating
    manifest 4 dimensional reality. Thoughts are the energetic expressions of
    consciousness entangled, like any other set of particles or source of energy, with
    everything we've ever encountered, the environment around us and the rest of the
    universe through the zero point field. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peterbaksa/-can-thoughts-manipulate-_b_971869.html


    Tuirigin: (TOOR' ghun) is a very precise word for which there is no English
    equivalent; the nearest translation is "a circuit of births" correlating to different
    types of transformational journeys. One such journey being the movement of the
    soul between the otherworld and this world in a series of journeys resulting in
    metempsychosis - the migration of soul from one body or state of being to another.
    Tuirigin is nothing less than the birth of the true nature, for it is not until the soul
    has been fused with everything else that it assumes its true nature; the soul's many
    turnings bring about its potential; wisdom. The Celtic tuirigin is about fusion - not
    refining the soul til it reaches nirvana, but a profound communion with everything
    that brings authenticity to the soul.
    Source: Caitlin Matthews, book "The Celtic
    Spirit".

    Theosophy: refers to systems of esoteric philosophy concerning, or seeking
    direct knowledge of presumed mysteries of being and nature, particularly
    concerning the nature of divinity. The theosopher seeks to understand the
    mysteries of the universe and the bonds that unite the universe, humanity, and the
    divine. The goal of theosophy is to explore the origin of divinity, humanity and the
    world. From investigation of those topics, theosophers try to discover a coherent
    description of the purpose and origin of the universe. The three characteristics of
    Theosophy consist of: A. Divine/Human/Nature Triangle: The inspired analysis
    which circles through these three angles. The intradivine within; the origin, death
    and placement of the human relating to Divinity and Nature; Nature as alive, the
    external, intellectual and material. All three complex correlations synthesize via the
    intellect and imaginative processes of Mind. B. Primacy of the Mythic: The
    creative Imagination, an external world of symbols, glyphs, myths, synchronicities
    and the myriad, along with image, all as a universal reality for the interplay
    conjoined by creative mind. C. Access to Supreme Worlds: The awakening within,
    inherently possessing the faculty to directly connect to the Divine world(s). The
    existence of a special human ability to create this connection. The ability to connect
    and explore all levels of reality; co-penetrate the human with the divine; to bond to
    all reality and experience a unique inner awakening. More: https://
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy

    T-Boundary: also called Thought Boundary; is the boundless region which is the
    source of simultaneous manifestation of all superdomains within the Unum. To an
    outside observer, the T-Boundary would appear as an extremely bright point; much
    like the opposite end of a black hole, but without the rotating, familiar whirl that
    goes with it, when viewed from inside the Prime-Causal Superdomain. It's the TBoundary that allows manifestation and de-manifestation to flourish. There is no
    primary function of the T-Boundary beside its "instinct" alone, which makes it
    uniquely important for the creation and manifestation of the Unum. More: http://
    www.truthcontrol.com/forum/tboundary-tboundary-or-thoughtboundary

    Qualia (see Quantum Mechanics): In philosophy, qualia (/'kw? li!/ or /
    'kwe"li!/; singular form: quale) are individual instances of subjective, conscious
    experience. The term "qualia" derives from the Latin neuter plural form (qualia) of
    the Latin adjective qu#lis (Latin pronunciation: ['kwa lis]) meaning "of what sort"
    or "of what kind"). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

    Ontology: noun - the branch of metaphysics or theosophy dealing with the
    nature of being.

    Neart: (NYART') an Irish word for which there is no English equivalent, meaning
    roughly 'strength' or 'power' in the sense of the 'energy of life.' This sacred energy
    is the source of all movement in the universe...including transformation.

    Cartesian Theater: "Cartesian theater" is a derisive term coined by philosopher
    and cognitive scientist Daniel Dennett to refer pointedly to a defining aspect of
    what he calls Cartesian materialism, which he considers to be the often
    unacknowledged remnants of Cartesian dualism in modern materialistic theories
    of the mind. In his book "Consciousness Explained", Dennett writes: Let's call the
    idea of such a centered locus in the brain Cartesian materialism, since it's the view
    you arrive at when you discard Descartes' dualism but fail to discard the imagery of
    a central (but material) Theater where it "all comes together" (107)

    Biomind: complex entities consisting of not just the biochemical and bioelectric
    activity in the three cranial brains. Rather, it also involves and includes the entire
    human living matrix complex and the information cloud that interpenetrates the
    body and expresses itself as (a) unipolar, dipolar, and quadrupolar scalar spectra of
    electromagnetic fields (or scalar electro-magnetic fields not measurable by current
    human instruments), and (b) the dipolar, and quadrupolar electro-magnetic and
    bioluminescent biophotonic (light) fields emanating from every square inch of
    human body surface at right angles from the skin. These two kinds of fields make
    up what over millennia has been known as the aura. For more information: LERM
    Manifest Production Observership http://lermproduction.blogspot.com/

    Awen: the three drops of inspiration - "the encryptions of primal creative power,
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    experience glance upon and inspire the dormant seeds of knowledge within us." It
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    I've just painted a concept picture for all of you. Can you follow the concepts and meaning? Extrapolate and apply to Dan's work and life.


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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:25 pm

    However, there remains the possibility that "knowledge" (of the map) creates the
    simulated reality -- "knowledge" (of the map) is the only reality we can experience and
    the physics we "think" we observe serves to keep the human mind/map coherent (I think
    that is Dan Smith's position?)
    ~ Gary S. Bekkum, Jedi Journalist-Author-Researcher.

    I think Gary has understood Dan and where he's been trying to go/produce, since August of 2015.

    Does Gary remember?


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:38 pm

    Smelly is distilled water

    Dan is melted ice cream
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:14 pm

    Ha!

    Have a Looney Holiday all!

    You too scrambled eggs!

    Hope you get to hang out with your fam.

    Maybe GSB, instead of sugar plums, will dream of Many other worlds!

    Maybe 99 will dream of nuclear ☢ apocalypse.

    Maybe Cy will dream of the Fairies.

    Maybe U will have sweet lizard 🦎 dreams.

    And Ack might dream of golden tablets.

    Left 🦶 will just be confused, as always.

    Doug may dream of a coat of many colors.

    Smelly 🐐 will be dreaming smelly dreams.

    All the loonies will be snug in their beds.

    Not a creature stirring, not even a mouse.

    Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night!

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:49 pm

    Ferry funny smelly!

    Happy Hollidays!

    😃
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    Post by 99 Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:28 am

    Ha, no mere visions of sugar plums dancing in Chivo's head for Christmas.

    And instead we get this deranged, unhinged and warped rendition of the surreal internal world he roams in.

    Am I surprised by this revelation?

    Not at all.

    Goodnight Chivo, I can see it's going to be a long one. lol





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    Post by dan Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:07 am

    I am so glad to be able to be the host site for Cy’s novella…… seriously 😐.

    I am so glad 🙂 to be getting back in the loopity loop 🔁!  

    And everything is on course for points south, I just got the countries reversed.    
    ………


    A Smarter Robot
    A new chatbot shows rapid advances in artificial intelligence.
    The Grey Lady wears her heart 💜 on her sleeve for AI.  

    The materialists has no clue 🕵️‍� that they are about to be gob smacked.



    (cont…….)
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    Post by painterdoug Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 am

    Smelly. as I just read your comment about scrambled eggs, I was boiling two eggs.

    Good to see Dan on his pride and joy

    pd

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:23 am

    99 wrote:Ha, no mere visions of sugar plums dancing in Chivo's head for Christmas.

    And instead we get this deranged, unhinged and warped rendition of the surreal internal world he roams in.

    Am I surprised by this revelation?

    Not at all.

    Goodnight Chivo, I can see it's going to be a long one. lol


    I’m the only sane one alive Wink

    Sweet dreams.

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    painterdoug wrote:Smelly.  as I just read your comment about scrambled eggs, I was boiling two eggs.

    Good to see Dan on his pride and joy

    pd

    Eggs 🥚 are so fascinating.

    Just absolute marvels.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:50 am

    dan wrote:I am so glad to be able to be the host site for Cy’s novella…… seriously 😐.

    I am so glad 🙂 to be getting back in the loopity loop 🔁!  

    And everything is on course for points south, I just got the countries reversed.    
    ………


    A Smarter Robot
    A new chatbot shows rapid advances in artificial intelligence.
    The Grey Lady wears her heart 💜 on her sleeve for AI.  

    The materialists has no clue 🕵️‍ that they are about to be gob smacked.  



    (cont…….)

    Loopity loop.

    I like those words.

    When a self turns back upon itself and does a loopity loop, it sees its origin.

    This is pure Plotinus.

    There is more bad science built up around quantum mechanics than any other area of science.

    It is telling perhaps GSB is obsessed by it.

    Einstein didn’t believe in Quantum Mechanics, neither do I.

    David Bohm wrote a book about quantum mechanics and went to Einstein to talk about it and in hour and forty-five minutes, lost his faith in QM and spent the rest of his life looking for a classical explanation.

    Physicists get trapped by beauty.

    Bohm was a true genius and Einstein bested him.

    But GSB has his faith in the spooky science.

    Haha, I’ll go with Bohm and Einstein.

    It’s funny how religious we are.

    “Cornell University physicist N. David Mermin once described quantum entanglement as "the closest thing we have to magic," since it means that disturbances in one part of the universe can instantly affect distant other parts of the universe, somehow bypassing the cosmic speed-of-light limit. Albert Einstein memorably dubbed it ‘spooky action at a distance.’”

    Dan laughs at these materialists.

    “Einstein and his collaborators had the rough idea that hidden variables could augment conventional quantum mechanics: as-yet-unknown local properties of the system that serve as hidden instructions "telling" particles which result should be determined in a given experiment. Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen argued that this should account for the discrepancy, so that no instantaneous spooky action would be necessary. But they didn't have a specific model to propose. And the physics community became convinced that hidden variables were impossible.

    John Bell, however, questioned that rejection of hidden variables after reading up on the heated debates around the philosophical implications of quantum mechanics in the 1920s and 1930s. "I hesitated to think it was wrong," he once said, "but I knew it was rotten." Bell was inspired by David Bohm's construction of a hidden variable theory that seemed to work perfectly well, but it came at a cost: the violation of locality.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie–Bohm_theory

    Something is hiding, or to play with words, nothing is hiding.

    What are we without our beliefs?

    Nothing.

    “The ability to perceive or think differently is more important than the knowledge gained.”

    — David Bohm

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    Post by dan Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:38 am

    Who is going to brief whom?

    One briefs from the bottom up.

    chick 🐣 briefs from the top down.  

    We’d better end up on the same page.

    There have been issues about die-backs of humans.  

    We came from the One, we return to the One.

    There is a melding.  

    Is that a die-back?  

    God made us from one flesh

    There are three persons in one substance.

    Get over it 😤……. get used to it!  

    Time reverses after our close encounter with the Eschaton.  

    Biology gives way to our cosmic destiny…… back with the Source.  

    Do we grow younger?

    Biology becomes optional.

    Reality becomes increasingly porous 🧽.

    I’ve said that from the beginning.  

    We revert to Dreamtime.  

    Will the Sun 🌞 go out?  

    Suntan lotion 🧴 may go out of style.  

    What about photosynthesis?

    What about respiration?

    I suppose the cosmic breath will take over.  

    Don’t eat the daisies…… or do eat daisies?  

    Remember I said it was the sunflowers 🌻 that keep the Sun 🌞 in the sky 🌌.  

    Just another case of Pratityasamutpada!  

    And how do we get something from nothing?

    Pratityasamutpada and plenty of TLC.  

    And what will we do with the three stooges?

    We will love 💗 them to death.  

    Let’s all have a love 💗 in for Vladimir……. see if we can raise the Kremlin.



    (cont…….)

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:48 pm

    Once you get the message, you can hang up the phone and drop the body.

    Not needed any longer.

    But you can’t cheat, no suicides now, play it out to the end.

    Was all of evolution driving us to the message?

    So a die back to me sounds reasonable and fine, once the message has been received.

    Drop the body and move on when it’s time.

    We cannot truly know what is beyond the body, in the body, but we can get a glimpse.

    But we can learn to be natural and go with the flow.

    What is wisdom?

    Wisdom is the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment. It is the ability to apply one's knowledge and experience to make sound decisions and judgments. Wisdom is often associated with being able to think deeply and critically about complex ideas and situations, and to use that knowledge to make thoughtful and well-considered decisions. It is also often associated with the ability to understand and appreciate the interconnectedness of things, and to use that understanding to make wise choices.

    When you know this interconnectedness, you are home.

    Our apparent disconnection is a necessary illusion.

    Don’t fear the reaper.



    More cow 🐮 bell 🔔 please.

    Major synchronicity.

    I checked out the recent Blue Oyster Cult album, The Symbol Remains.

    Went to this song immediately, Secret Road.



    The album is ok, but some interesting looney tunes.
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    Post by GSB Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:27 am

    And then there was The Beast:



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    Post by GSB Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:38 am

    More cow 🐮 bell 🔔 please. And "really explore the space!"




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    Post by GSB Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:44 am

    This just in ... Travis Taylor is promoting Jack's G= kT idea on Twitter and confusing the masses!

    https://twitter.com/travisstaylor1/status/1601812754670592000




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:55 pm

    GSB wrote:More cow 🐮 bell 🔔 please. And "really explore the space!"



    GSB has the cultural references I guess.

    Surprising, he always has seemed like a boring muppet to me, like Ron, if that is RP and his band of merry dweebs Wink

    Ya got to really get into this and participate.

    Ya have to go all in or wtf are ya here I say.

    Ya gotta skip past the morons, haters, and the bullshit and get to the heart of this.

    To the heart of darkness.  

    Then take a big Fin bite out of it and yell,

    "AWESOME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE COW BELL PLEASE?!"

    Then you may be living a life, otherwise, you are just an NPC muppet.

    I'd be doing everyone a disservice if I didn't play the hell out of this!


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    GSB wrote:This just in ... Travis Taylor is promoting Jack's G= kT idea on Twitter and confusing the masses!

    https://twitter.com/travisstaylor1/status/1601812754670592000



    The masses are already at full confusion, anything else now is just noise.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:11 pm

    GSB wrote:And then there was The Beast:


    There is no one really here, so this is funny, who is being tracked?

    And no, you shouldn't be worried, there is no one here to worry about anyway.

    Haha, dumb muppets thinking they are real.

    When you have the key to the universe, things sure do get simple.

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