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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by Cyrellys Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:44 pm

    Any updates on Dan?


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    Post by 99 Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:05 pm

    Dan logged onto the forum earlier this evening Cy. He didn't post anything but he was here for at least a half hour.

    I would like an update on Dan too.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:35 am

    I spoke with Dan 20 min ago and he seems to be in good spirits

    Living his best lil chicken life

    Taking art classes from the Princess

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    Post by 99 Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:00 am

    So you talked to him at around midnight last night?

    That's really late but great that he sounded ok.

    Thanks for the update!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:44 am

    I am just letting Dan be myself.

    If he calls, I pick up.

    He’s been way out of it the last few times we spoke.

    Lack of sleep I suspect mostly.

    Here is his daily meditation for today.

    "A calm and modest life brings more happiness than the pursuit of success combined with constant restlessness."

    — Albert Einstein

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:07 am

    Dan’s daily meditation.

    “Frame your thoughts like this—you are an old person, you won't let yourself be enslaved by this any longer, no longer pulled like a puppet by every impulse, and you'll stop complaining about your present fortune or dreading the future.”

    —Marcus Aurelius
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:38 am

    I may have misinterpreted my last interaction with the chicken

    After he face timed me this morning I realized the situation is different than I previously understood it to be

    We didn’t talk long but he gave me the number to his land line at the hospital

    I don’t know any of the details around the reasons behind his need to be at the hospital

    I thought he was home yesterday but I was mistaken

    He didn’t seem like he was fully cognitive to me

    My guess is some of that could be from medication and maybe a lack of quality sleep like Smelly mentioned

    Who knows?

    I don’t mean to make the situation sound more dire than it really is

    Im saddened by it though

    The old man has touched my life deeply and I will never forget his larger than life love for persons and his desire to reach out to the confused and suffering

    I picked up Petersons book recently, “12 Rules to Life, an Antidote to Chaos”

    I’m just starting chapter 2, or rule 2, which is “treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping”

    Dan has spent much of his time over the past decade focused on helping others that he may have forgotten how to help himself

    Stay frosty

    Stay vigilant

    Stay relaxed

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:04 am

    Not that you asked, but Peterson is a toxic moron.

    Good luck there, give me some good ole Epictetus, Cold Mountain, or Marcus any day.

    I am only speculating, but I believe Dan’s situation is serious.

    Could be Dementia or some other degenerative situation caused by his surgery.

    My spirit tells me he is on his way out.

    I wish him the longest quality life he can have.

    But if he is going to end up very diminished, I’d want to checkout myself.

    That’s his private business and between him and his family.

    I hope Ron and crew are keeping their distance, Doug mentioned they were.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:25 am

    I don’t see anything toxic coming from Peterson

    Maybe I missed something


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:33 am

    Shrug.

    To each his own.

    It’s fairly obvious what a loon he is.

    The crying is a sign of his instability.

    He was an atheist basically and now he’s dancing around god and the Bible to relate to the lunatic right.

    The dude almost died from his drug addiction that he got cured of in Russia?

    Benzos and such.

    Haha, ok.

    He’s a false face.

    He’s manipulating a bunch of incels.

    His advice is clean your room?

    How about not be a drug addict.

    Anyway, his philosophy is shit.
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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:44 pm

    Hey Ack, different people speak to those who may be in need of a certain kind.  Smelly may not care for him, but if his writing suit you and you find something useful for yourself in them then don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Keep reading.  Be thoughtful.  Appreciate what you can and then move forward as you see fit.

    Even if you read someone's work and you can only take away one little thing, that one little thing may end up being profound enough to make the time spent worthy. We should never regret where we've been, who we've encountered, the things we've learned if we can say after all of it, we can appreciate who we are today, because all of that experience made us who we are today.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:24 pm

    I just found out Dan had surgery on his frontal lobe

    Maybe rule 2 isn’t quite applicable in this case

    Strange day

    Thanks Cy, I agree

    I think smelly just has a left leaning bias

    Sure, Jordan can be cringe when he gets emotional, but other than that I think he is pretty on point and a clear and rational thinker



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:45 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kx09eXm-KYI?feature=share

    This is way before he became popular

    I don’t think he changed his philosophy to relate to the right

    His position on god has been for a long time, to act as though god exists

    And the god he refers to is just the Logos

    I like him

    And I’m a gnostic atheist

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:12 pm

    He became popular for not using people’s chosen gender pronouns.

    Hey, you can call yourself anything you like in this world imo.

    To find anything valuable, you have to dig.

    There are no easy answers.

    The gold is generally not sitting on the surface unless there has been no one there in awhile.

    Beware those selling self help books Wink

    Even a clock is right at least twice a day, true.

    Don’t be afraid to call out charlatans.

    Jesus wasn’t.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:23 pm

    That’s the popular opinion

    The reality is much different

    It was about giving the government the power to control what comes out of our mouths

    If you don’t see the danger and idiocy in that you are a bloody moron

    Stay away from CNN

    And Fox

    Jesus


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    Post by U Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:05 pm

    Smelly, wasn't there a time you used to like Peterson?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:17 pm

    I read all his stuff Ack.

    And I don't lean right or left or listen to partisans, I am for wise government and always improving things, not parties.

    I liked where he was going with individuation, but then he cracked up.

    I just can see through BS better than you can, kidding kidding Wink

    To each his own.

    I don’t follow personalities.

    Cy, that smelly is not in the sites keywords deeply offends me, haha.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:26 pm

    Ok

    I haven’t read all his stuff

    Hardly any actually

    Mostly just a few interviews on YouTube

    Maybe a few min of his classroom lectures

    One chapter of a book I randomly bought after seeing his interview on Piers Morgan

    I was stoked to see him back to form after the whole Russia drug thing


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:33 pm

    Everything matters and opposition is your best friend.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:39 pm

    Actually, when I think about it

    Most of the content I’ve consumed on Jordan is stuff smelly has posted or shared over the past 5 yrs 😆

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:45 pm

    Part of me is seriously questioning the reality of what is going on with Dan

    Like come on

    You have to be kidding me

    The poster boy for frontal lobes had frontal lobe surgery

    Give me fucking break

    It’s some kind of joke or act or fuck if I know

    That’s messed up

    I don’t like it one bit

    Fuck you simulation!

    🐐💨

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:45 pm

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:47 pm

    Everything matters and opposition is your best friend.

    My whole shtick is just about knowing thyself and taking responsibility, don't worry about what you can't control or what other people do.

    So you can see why I have no like for Peterson's current rhetoric.

    Peterson used to point at knowing thyself and I liked it, but now he is this new Frankenstein partisan after he had his big fall. I don't recognize him. He seems like a zombie.

    If I was a conspiracy theorist I wold say he threw in with Putin and went anti-west and is just trying to tear things down.

    The left feet often would say, nothing matters outside of their circle. This is the truest sign that they do not know what they are talking about or are wise, joking or not, I appreciated their opposition, foolish and weak as it was. They seemed to oppose the Chicken mostly, maybe just for show. They could speak intelligently on no topics, but their own actions, another sign of weakness.

    They were aloof and arrogant. Now, here’s the thing with arrogance. Arrogance is an emotion that comes from relating to other people that aren’t within our control. You can see this arrogance all over social media when one group hates or tears down another group it can't control. In the media you see it everywhere too and in business.

    They do not control me or anyone else here, not even Dan. You can influence people using social engineering and get people to go where you want them to go. Peterson is now part of this apparatus. Dan said this was our greatest advantage in being outsiders. Imagine how trapped you are on the inside of hiding reality. It must be miserable to carry that burden. I have great empathy for Dynamite, Skaiz and the left feet. They are all obviously in pain.

    There is no such thing as wokeness. But we do want to wake up! It's a bogeyman and cope out the right invented because they didn't have any better ideas, accept to say, nothing can change. Well, everything always changes. They use political platforms to minimize the cost of change and slow it down. So of course it is frustrating for any involved or watching it. It's not meant to be clean and efficient. Peterson, mistakenly often refers to it.

    Peterson has become a partisan. So that's the reason I no longer listen to him. He picked a side and there are no sides. There is just oneness for me. So he is now a force of division, where he could have been a bridge builder.

    Did Jesus divide? No, I don't think so, he illustrated the choice we have to love. You either love or rebel against it. People divide themselves I think. God doesn't do this.



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    Haha.

    Right wing propaganda machine.


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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:48 pm

    hmmmm, seems sus to me him needing 'frontal lobe' surgery....a way to shut him up?  He wasn't mentally degenerative till his fam got their hands on him and the trip.  Eccentric is not the same thing as mental degenerative. IMO.  My two cents.

    Well the whole thing has only reinforced my low opinion of the medical industry. Not trustworthy. Shy away folks.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:56 pm

    I don’t know what’s going on

    I haven’t been following the blog

    It’s a nice place to vent sometimes

    I’m chill now

    Your ok simulation

    You know what’s weird but not

    I literally saw an entire car disappear in front of my eyes today

    I was driving, staring at it waiting for it to pass so I could turn and it literally vanished into thin air before my eyes

    That’s not normal

    Truman show/simulation vibes are strong today

    Haha

    But being is beyond the material

    Shit can disappear all it likes

    I don’t waver

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