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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:04 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:The Chicken cannot tell the truth. There was never association of the most recent left foot with being Foot3. The Chicken just fabricates as he pecks along. No sane person wants to volunteer to Blog on a Liar Loon Blog.

    Hey, we are human beings dude.

    We make this shit up as we go.

    We do it live!

    In the moment!

    That will always beat the muppets with plans.

    The chicken can’t or won’t see this, shrug.

    He is a stubborn one.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:56 pm

    Change terrifies the powerful.

    They hide their invisible hand behind progress.

    It doesn’t matter that our tech progresses.

    Desire, anger, and ignorance are the truth of human existence.

    We mustn’t forget that today’s science and culture have only developed out of the lowest levels of consciousness.

    The basest desire.

    Postmodern psychopathy now infects our religions and philosophies and ideologies.

    There is no hope in any of those old constructs.

    They have only led us to a dead end destroying our own home.

    We are truly an insane people.

    We have done nothing redeemable.

    There is no savior or salvation.

    You don’t get to leave the burning ship, you helped burn and think you deserve to live forever in an imagined heaven.

    We are self compromised.

    Only turning to the root, to your mind, do we address our ignorance.

    We made all this supposed progress and we live under nuclear annihilation.

    No, this world we made has nothing to offer you.

    It only distracts us.

    The modern world musters up all of its knowledge just to run down a dead end street.

    People were idiots in the old days too. They wasted a fortune in gold and manpower building castles. And what was it all for? To bicker with each other. Today, people are even dumber. They build atomic and hydrogen bombs in order to erase humanity with one push of a button.

    How is it that humanity itself, unlike its science, hasn’t progressed in the least?

    I’d love to blame wetiko, but this is on us.

    We each have to clean up our mess.

    Nothing is going to save us from ourselves.

    The cosmos watches us.

    Powerless to do anything but speed our destruction.

    I would not want our cancer to leave the earth.

    The earth has been cursed by a stupid cruel muppet race.

    We all have a part of the blame.

    What are you doing about your part of it?
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    Post by dan Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:34 am

    1130z……..

    Poor Chivo,

    He can only see the past negatives.  

    He can’t see the future positives.  

    Salvation is only to be found within the individual.  

    Hell is other people.  

    Little chick 🐣 is liable to be the messiah……. the messiah of the gestalt switch……. the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).

    This is the switch from materialism to immaterialism….. from the big impersonal world to the small personal world.  

    This is to be the culmination of our cosmic setup….. the setup for the prophecy to end all prophecies.  

    This is to be our Omega point.  

    Chivo and his goat 🐐 mind couldn’t possibly imagine such an eventuality…. he could never wrap his mind around it.  

    Chivo complains endlessly that he is surrounded by the small minded, but his mind will turn out to be the smallest of the small…… when it comes to imagining the Omega Point.  

    The cosmic irony beggars the imagination.  

    Let’s face it, Chivo is going to be the perfect witness to the Second Coming.  

    Watch chick 🐣 waiting patiently for Chivo to have his road to Damascus moment.  

    This moment might even happen within my lifetime.  

    Chivo will be the perfect Road Kill.  

    Chivo might even have to share the Saul/Paul spot with Joe Firmage…… Heaven forbid.  

    Cheese 🧀 man is slated to be the perfect counterfoil to Chivo 🐐.  

    Goat 🐐 cheese 🧀 is my favorite 😻.  

    All that cheese 🧀 man has to do is admit the role of the Princess in powering his magic 🪄 gyros 🥙.  

    And who is going to spill these beans?  

    Will it be Biden or Trump?  

    chick 🐣 would much prefer Biden, but finally playing the trump card would make a certain kind of perverse sense.  


    1340……..

    This just in…….

    There was a meeting in the Virginia suburbs of DC…..

    Doug, down from NYC, hosted the meeting.  

    It included John Jr, Rob T and an unnamed fourth person.  

    Featured were the newly retrieved documents from the safe of John Sr.  

    Also in this retrieval were the documents that John Sr had received from Allen Dulles, a long time colleague in this arena.  

    Meanwhile, Joe F has returned to Salt Lake to begin his his run for President as an Independent candidate.  

    Joe already has his Presidential website up.  

    It features a video endorsement from the Princess.  

    However, there is no mention of any gyros 🥙, besides the assumption of some sort of magic to power his version of Tomorrow Land.  

    Joe is heavily into fundraising for his campaign, and also into obtaining government contracts for research into the exotic technology that he had recently been demonstrating in DC.  


    1440……….

    Joe’s recent video version of Tomorrow Land is basically a throwback to the original Disney version from the 1950s.



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    Post by jofo Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:35 am

    dan wrote:1130z……..

    Joe is heavily into fundraising for his campaign, and also into obtaining government contracts for research into the exotic technology that he had recently been demonstrating in DC.  

    ?????

    by 'demonstrating' you mean he marched on the capitol?  surely there was no demonstration of technology, must have been 'majik'.
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    Post by dan Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:49 am

    Joe will be back on September 7 to announce his campaign at the Lincoln Memorial.

    His campaign has been compared to that of Ross Perot…… a spoiler candidate for the spoiler Disclosure.


    Joe Firmage will be the candidate of unalloyed, unapologetic progress.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:29 pm

    Dan, do you have a link to Joe’s presidential website you could share?

    It’s quite early to announce a presidential run.

    I wonder if he’s run an exploratory committee of any kind, or if he’s just going for it.

    Financial rules from the Federal Elections Commission do disincentivize candidates from clearly stating their intentions so early.



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    Post by dan Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:05 pm

    The website…… http://firmageforpresident.org/ was supposed to have been up several hours ago.

    It is still not up.

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    Post by hobbit Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:38 am

    Aaron,

    "A seed fell on tilled land"

    The tiller should have been of bronze, not iron.

    The earth is mother, female, the tilled land needs the male input (sun)

    Iron discharges the soil.

    The princess, the water wizard and the king of Bulgaria.






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    Post by hobbit Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:57 pm

    Do You think Mr Biden has given some their best possible world?




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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:55 pm

    First day on the job and I did my homework reviewing past posts and other backgrounds. The Ugly Fat Dude is here because he has no where else to be, a Loser in every respect of life. He clings to a few bad metaphors to hide his utter lack of intelligence or insight. Dan is no Son of Satan or Jesus, he is just a Small World Marxist masquerading as a Fake News Christian while hoping for an Early End of the World to end his personal misery. Joe Firmage is a brilliant inventor with a clear vision of a better future (no Chicken Turd, this is not the Best Possible World). If there is one unifying theme to this Nothing Blog it is envy of Joseph Firmage who has the support of the Princess.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:13 pm

    Firmage For President is now Live as people from across this Nation already are pledging their support. Loons and Looser can't seem to figure out how to access a web page, but they can't read either so it does not matter much.  (http://www.firmageforpresident.org/)
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:37 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:Firmage For President is now Live as people from across this Nation already are pledging their support. Loons and Looser can't seem to figure out how to access a web page, but they can't read either so it does not matter much.  (http://www.firmageforpresident.org/)

    Joe's new grift/con!

    And you are grifting with him, frauds, liars, hiding cowards.

    This is like your words and your plans, the wind just blows right on through you.

    I can hear it, can you?

    It makes a funny sound when it moves through a muppet's empty skull.

    You are empty.



    古池や 蛙飛び込む 水の音

    The old pond

    A frog leaps in

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    Post by dan Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:02 am

    1300z……

    Even though I disagree with Joe Firmage on fundamental matters, I wish him Godspeed with his Presidential bid.  

    It very possible that his campaign would constitute a major step towards Disclosure.

    I believe that Joe is not just a mechanic…… not even just a glorified one.  

    I believe that it is very likely that he has seriously entangled himself with some inter dimensional magic 🪄.  

    In other words, Joe has been a person of interest since his earliest days.  

    That Joe is something of a huckster, I don’t doubt.

    That Joe is sincerely confused in his cosmology, I don’t doubt, either.  

    Furthermore, Joe is certainly not deserving of the vitriol that Chivo was pouring out, and some of which I have managed to delete.  

    Chivo seeks the worst in others……. I seek the best.

    Plot spoiler……. the Best wins!

    Poor Chivo……. he suffers from a ingrained case of coprolalia.  

    Chivo, like Joe, is one confused muppet.  

    Both of them are capable of much better…… are capable of being one with the One.

    Confusion reigns upon the land…… in these latter days.  

    We appear to be suffering from a terminal state of confusion.  

    But, trust the chick 🐣, our confusion is highly orchestrated, and, no, not just by Ron&Co.  

    Our confusion is but a speck of dust in the eye 👁 of the I Am…… the best possible, orchestrated speck of dust.  


    1340……….

    And what is the cause of all this confusion…..?

    Progress is the cause…….. the best possible two millennia of progress have led to a great residue of confusion.

    This progress manifests primarily as material progress.  

    It’s material aspect almost completely obscures a much more subtle spiritual aspect.  



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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:45 am

    Finally the Chicken blogs something interesting. If our future President is confused, then join the team as an advisor. Joseph Firmage is dynamic, learning, and evolving. As one of his closest advisors, I would not have been invited to participate on this Blog without approval of the Princess.
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    Post by dan Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:53 am

    We only need to understand that words and ideas matter.

    The seminal idea of cosmic agape is the Logos Spermatikos……. is the gleam in the eye 👁 of the I Am.

    The Princess 👸 is the glue holding it all together…… she is the cosmic Entangler…….. spinning the web of Creation.  

    Joe has some difficulty understanding all of this.  

    But he has the power to help to bring all of us around…… even our very own coprolalic Chivo 🐐.  

    If the Lord gives you lemons 🍋, you had better learn how to make lemonade……. or, in this case…… goat 🐐 cheese 🧀.  

    Have we the slightest doubt that God knows all about making Lemonade?  

    She has just been waiting, ever so patiently, for all her little lemons 🍋 to reach their individual peak of ripeness…….. before plunging us into the cosmic Juicer…… to begin the process of fermentation.  

    The Internet, of which Joe was a very early facilitator, will play a crucial role in the magic 🪄 to come.

    Dropping a mustard seed of truth, strategically, into our supersaturated solution will be all it takes to form the cosmic Chrysalis.  

    The strategem is already in place.

    If Joe Firmage cannot rise to this occasion, I don’t know who could.  

    All we need is the secret 🤫 sauce……. oh, wait, we already have the secret 🤫 sauce.  

    The secret sauce is also known as stone soup 🍜.  


    1500……

    It seems that I need permission from the Foot*** and the foot 🦶, in order to visit the Princess 👸 and talk to Rob.  

    Both feet may be the same One, for all that chick 🐣 knows.  

    Yes, we just need a mustard seed of Truth strategically placed.  

    The truth is that we are looking at the world upside down, backwards and inside out.  

    That would seem like quite a trick, but we have no peers, when it comes to tricking ourselves.  


    2010………

    So….. progress is a strange animal…..

    We have come to take it for granted.  

    Joe Firmage, along with many others, takes it as a modern day religion.  

    He is challenging us to push our blue sky dreams to the limit.

    But even Joe has come to the conclusion that there must be a limit to material progress.

    Eventually we will turn inward toward spiritual matters, but not in the foreseeable future.

    We still have generations, perhaps millennia, to go, before we can finally turn to the spiritual.  

    There are all those worlds in all that space that demand to be explored…… perhaps, if only to be re-explored, afresh, following in the footsteps of our cosmic ancestors.  

    This is our material imperative that must be fulfilled before we can rest on our laurels.  

    The only disagreement that Joe and I have is in the matter of timing.  

    Well, no, it does go deeper to the problem of dualism.  

    Metaphysical dualism is an occupational hazard of the prophetic traditions…… where we tend to make a strict distinction between Creator and Creation.  

    It is simply blasphemous to suppose that such distinctions could be blurred.  

    But this is where personalism comes in to upset the apple cart of our conventional distinctions between science and religion.  

    Of course, the believers in the hypothesis of Strong Artificial Intelligence believe that we are at the threshold of a quantum computer, or such, that will break open the gates of Heaven…… that will transform the physical into the metaphysical….. as we approach the Kurzweil Singularity.  

    Joe and his cosmic fellow travelers have difficulty believing that we already live beyond the Kurzweil threshold.  

    This view is akin to the Boltzmann Brain hypothesis…… that somehow we are creatures of the cosmic Mind that we are living in a simulation.

    It is not difficult to mash up the metaphysical speculations of Nick Bostrom, Sean Carroll, Ray Kurzweil, etc………

    These speculative physicists/philosophers/metaphysicians are, in effect, attempting to mash up the scientific, prophetic and mystical traditions.  

    It is precisely at the end of that rainbow 🌈 where the best possible world resides.  

    If I managed to get there slightly ahead of the herd, it is only because of the Princess, my alleged goddaughter…… cherchez la femme.  

    Après nous….. la Deluge.  

    And it is Joe Firmage, who, as Foot*** suggests, is perfectly capable of leading us to that pot of gold.  

    Do I hear any better ideas?  

    Monadnock 🏔 beckons……..

    You might even speculate that a mountain 🏔 goat 🐐 ought to be able to figure this out……. go figure…… Monadnock is barely a revision of Cold Mountain.  

    chick 🐣 will be relieved to be able to let the historians and theologians hash which, if any of us, answers to john 16.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:59 am

    Evil muppets.

    Joe’s chessy 90s presidential website, which has ridiculous fluff videos that say absolutely nothing, is divine comedy.

    You guys are great for laughs.

    Let’s see what nonsense Dan and left 🦶 come up with next.

    There have maybe been only a dozen Magi on earth in recorded history.

    I can assure u, Dan nor his friends are not these.

    What ever forces Joe may or may have not connected to I also assure you are not out for your benefit muppetz.

    Know a tree by its fruit.

    You have no idea what you are doing.

    Pure divine comedy.

    At least Joe isn’t out there shooting things up…yet.  

    Dan and his other crew can handle all the muppet shooting I guess.

    Me, none of this is at all relevant in cold mountain.

    These are muppet delusions.

    And the Band plays on.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:34 pm

    Having fun deleting posts Dan?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:15 pm

    If he can’t get by me, he certainly can’t face the dragon or the abyss.

    The first thing that happens in the depths, is that anything you are holding is slapped out of your hooves.

    It happens as it happens.

    No censoring will help.

    It is better to delete things after their impact is felt anyway.

    No one’s words need to stay around to pollute the world.

    Dan might find his zen in the moment yet.

    You could delete all my words and I could care less.

    Ahhhhh

    OMF is part of my personal practice now.

    It is sacred to me.

    Dan really does help me to learn to not attach to anything that comes out of me.

    Where he never changes and is stuck, I keep making my way jumping ridge to ridge.

    Treat everything you do as myth and sacred and it will be.

    Even when the ignorant muppets throw rocks.

    7 of Wands, stay the course, straight on and all pretenders will fall away.

    Because you are not as focused as I am, I assure you.

    I have the high ground.

    I can see icy ❄ pinnacles up ahead.

    How am I gonna get up there?

    Hmmmm
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    Post by dan Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:39 pm

    Or, perhaps, the stepladder is staring you in the face.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:43 pm

    There may be one laying around here.

    Oh my, I see a hand reaching down out of the clouds, I probably should take it.

    It's a little scary.

    Here goes nuthin...
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    Post by dan Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:00 am

    1400z…….

    It seems that the current left foot, designated Foot***, is the last in the line of the Salt Lake feet 👣 to have been so designated, which designation may go back for well over a year.  

    I have no idea of how or why this arrangement for an Alt Foot brigade may have been worked out.  

    Possibly related is that there is a developing rift between the Joe Firmage and the Brandon Fugal camps…… Brandon’s group being affiliated with the Hal Puthoff group.  

    I had forgotten that three years previously, Joe had also mounted a Presidential bid, and some of that campaign organization is still intact.  

    I have never had any contact information for any of the Alt Feet 👣.  

    The last post from Foot*** left the impression that he might be open to discussion.  As with the previous Feet 👣, he is likely to be of a Mormon background, with a more or less active status.  

    There may have been some contact between Firmage and Trump….. it not being precluded by their divergent politics.  

    Exactly where Ron/foot 🦶stands in this four dimensional game of political chess ♟….. he remains loyal to Trump, but, otherwise, maintains contact mainly with the Firmage group.  
    ………..


    With any sort of narrative, there has to be some sort of development.  

    The development with our Metanarrative is technological progress, along with a massive accumulation of knowledge…… scientific and historical.  

    Now, with the advent of the internet, that knowledge base is instantly and universally accessible.  

    The pace of development, especially in the last century, has been mesmerizing.  

    Many of us fully expect the pace of technical development to continue.

    That was certainly my expectation, from an early age, until I outgrew it in my early twenties…… quitting a career in physics.  

    By then I could envision the limits of material progress.  

    What, if anything, was going to be next?

    What might possibly come after our blue sky dreams?  

    I held no further expectations.  

    Well, not until ten years later when I ran into the Anthropic Principle, in 1975.  

    This, rather neatly, coincided with the emergence of postmodernism amongst the intelligentsia.  

    Looking back, it was the Sixties where we had soured on material progress…… where everything started going sideways…… an entire generation contemplated its navel…… with a considerable psychedelic assist.  


    1550……..

    Have there been any intellectual developments since the Sixties?

    Hardly any to speak of.  

    Well, very belatedly, we see an intellectual turn from the physical to the metaphysical.  

    This turn has been somewhat reflected in the media, but, otherwise, remains barely visible.  

    However, if you wish to look for speculative metaphysics, you will find that plenty is out there.



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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:59 am

    Dan,

    What is Your take on the looking glass scenario where all the time lines are coming together, and thus all information may be about to be inputted into the overall planets consciousness?

    Total revelation in other words.


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    Another Mormon eh?

    Fun.

    Must be something in the water here.
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    Post by dan Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:11 am

    hobbit,

    I think it’s no secret that chick 🐣 considers hisself to be on the cutting edge of that development.  

    However, I do not believe in planets……. I believe that there is only the best possible world, and that the BPW is anthropocentric and geocentric.  

    There are many antechambers and other dimensions, but they do not challenge our centricity……. they only add to it.  

    Yes, ever since I became cognizant of the intellect, I have wanted to be where the intellectual action was.  

    By 1966, it was clear to me that the intellectual action was necessarily bypassing academia.  

    When the Eschaton first hove onto my radar screen (~1981), I knew that I had seen something, and I was going to have to say something.  

    It took me ten more years to figure out exactly what and where.  

    I have been there ever since.  

    What I don’t know at this point is whether Joe Firmage, wittingly or not, will be able to run interference for the Eschaton.  

    I await the return of Foot***…… but he may already have seen more than he bargained for, when he signed up for the Foot* 👣 patrol.  

    It could be that donny 🐜 sees the Cheese 🧀 as something of a stalking horse for things paranormal.



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