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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by GSB Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:48 am

    Strange that the Chick would criticize Gary for contributing to confusion, when nothing the Chick posts is honest or accurate -- just a bunch of disinformation intended to confuse the other Loons on the blog. In this case Gary is much closer to information as described in historical records, although still false.

    I have always presumed the "information I am close to" was designed to manipulate belief systems.

    A "mind control" mystery

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    Post by dan Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:21 pm

    Yes, the portals may be opening.  

    How quickly, I have no idea……. but, if these are the Endtimes, the opening of the portals will be relentless.  

    I only have two main sources……. an ‘official’ one, and the other is mainly a civilian researcher, who manages to stay out of the public eye.  

    two commented on the phenomenon once, several years ago, and I heard nothing else until yesterday, as noted.  

    So I asked my other source, and he confirmed the ‘rumor’.

    He mentioned a major recent incident in Britain, for instance, that has not even made it to social media.  

    These other incidents can make the Nimitz case look like child’s play.  

    Shortly after ftgm alerted me to Ross Coulthart, two became indignant with each of us, on the telephone.  

    Since that phone call, there have only been text exchanges with two.  

    two is strictly prohibited from using domestic news reporters. That Ross may have been so used indicates that he is non domestic, and will only appear in overseas media, the ‘In Plain Sight’ book notwithstanding.  

    I’m advised that any ‘eschatological implications’ are for me to discern.  That is a mouthful. Is that also a back handed way to acknowledge my continued status as point person for eschatological ‘outreach’?

    I believe I may legitimately request that BPW not be used for disinformational purposes, as was the case with Nimitz.  

    Maybe donny decided he didn’t want to be on the Endtimes patrol.

    Most folks have neither a need nor a desire to be informed about any of this stuff.  

    Those who do have need are mostly already in the loop.  

    These little BPW scribblings are just to catch the occasional straggler.  

    But I do need some minimum of interaction to help tailor my outreach.  

    I would suggest that covid is being used for some minor but significant eschatological acclimation.

    Does this mean that is was designed in gummint lab?  

    Not necessarily…….. it could have been Heaven sent.  

    But I’ve almost forgotten how to explain viruses 🦠 in immaterial terms……….

    A virus is just another kind of seed that comes ultimately from the Logos Spermatikos.  

    And how does that work, pray tell?  

    Well, how do any atomic phenomena work?  

    Even at this late date, the answer is not on the tip of my tongue.  



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    Post by GSB Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:06 am

    In the best possible world, it is possible to manipulate the store of value of political currency using fear campaigns (In other words, a dead man cannot vote, unless he is a Democrat, according to some folk! ;-)

    If you accept the following, then consider the store of value between the red and blue and the potential for further manipulation in a future crisis.

    Even redder

    The brief version: The gap in Covid’s death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point.

    In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from Covid, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened.

    The true explanation is straightforward: The vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe Covid, and almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults.

    Charles Gaba, a Democratic health care analyst, has pointed out that the gap is also evident at finer gradations of political analysis: Counties where Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote have an even higher average Covid death toll than counties where Trump won at least 60 percent.
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    Post by dan Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:16 am

    Gary,

    Obviously, there is a global breakdown in trust, as there is also an increase in oppositional defiance.  

    These are coming simultaneously with an increasing interdependency and social vulnerability.  

    These opposing trends cannot continue without courting disaster……. without our downward spiral becoming a tailspin.  

    As if on cue, my two main sources continue at loggerheads over the Nimitz story.  

    ftgm claims that independent investigations have been able to corroborate the initial story.  

    Ron claims that it is just more crooks and loons.  
    ……..


    It is not easy to thread the needle between my sources.  

    They agree that the portals are opening, and the Endtimes are coming.  

    It is possible that the Nimitz story was faked with advanced technology and/or by manufacturing stories and witnesses.  

    two could have participated in dissembling it, or in simply looking the other way.  

    The motive could have been to maintain a modicum of control over the portal story for as long as possible…… holding on to the option to debunk it, while it still might make a difference.  

    If the Katechon is anything like advertised, one would definitely want to maintain it for as long as possible.  The subsequent Apocalypse is just not anyone’s cup of tea.  

    Meanwhile, the Truth is not going to go away.  

    The Truth is patient.  It has been patient for thousands of years.  

    Folks can’t believe that any form of ‘truth’ is not just going to be one faction’s ideology being foisted on everyone else.  
    …………


    Even a single unambiguous portal event could be a game changer.  

    How many portals would it take to rise to a phenomenon of biblical proportions?  

    It would not take a great deal of inter dimensional intercourse to take many of the edges off of our mundane existence, and give a whole new life to our Metanarrative.  
    ……….


    I would just like to point out that we are essentially social beings.  

    One cannot be human in isolation.  

    Individual societies are held together with common stories and histories.  

    Having a common enemy will also perform that function, unfortunately.  
    ………..


    I think it’s pretty obvious that there cannot be two consciousnesses.  

    We only need one……. that happens to be chock full of little egos……. that all manage to maintain their social distance.

    Every single one of those egos, however, is a microcosm…… it is a mirror of the One.  

    Some of us, like Eric, know the little secret that we are already one with the One, however, we still have a few miles to go…… left in the best possible Story……. but I certainly wouldn’t want to spoil the plot for anyone.  

    We can all thank two for maintaining the Katechon until the last possible microsecond.  We wouldn’t miss it for the world.  

    The portals are not the problem at all.  

    The problem is to keep our cosmic consciousness from turning into Swiss cheese 🧀, before it’s time……. before it comes time to turn itself inside out.  

    Someone has to maintain the cosmic decorum.  

    chick 🐣 is rooting for the Princess 👸.  

    I wonder if the atoms ⚛ can turn themselves inside out, also.

    Isn’t that what we call the Big Bang?  

    Now, don’t go and take any of this literally…….. but here’s another little secret 🤫…….. we don’t live in a yellow submarine……. we live inside a metaphor, which is Greek for ‘moving van 🚐’, which might be yellow, too, come to think 🤔 of it!  

    Once you see the secret, you just want to stretch the last few microseconds…….. all the way out to Eternity.

    Oh, dear, I think I just gave it all away!

    ……… Wait, did someone just say something?

    I didn’t hear anything.



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    Post by GSB Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:34 am

    Sen. Gillibrand introduces amendment to Defense bill establishing office to study UFOs
    The proposed office would annually assess potential national security threats from UFOs

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-gillibrand-introduces-amendment-to-ndaa-establishing-office-to-study-ufos


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    Post by dan Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:36 pm

    Gary,

    I suggest that the Gillibrand bill is nothing more than a desperate attempt to keep us laser focused on the nuts&bolts aspect of the very divers phenomenology.

    This is not just our fault……. the phenomenon itself seems intent on trying to lead us down this technological primrose path.

    Yes, we are being led astray.  

    Is this the best possible wild goose chase?  

    The nuts&bolts drama is providing cover for a more concerted effort to deal with the much larger range of the actual phenomenon.  

    This is a cover that we need to expeditiously.  

    I am being offered some hope for a more directed effort.  

    The problem is that any real Disclosure runs the risk of just amplifying the existing chaos.  

    A little bit of knowledge can be counterproductive.  

    Disclosure, if done at all, needs to be approached holistically.  

    All the cards need to be laid on the table, from the start.  

    I’m certainly not suggesting that whole enchilada be blasted out on the airwaves.  

    No, I’m suggesting that we start small, and then gradually expand the audience, mostly just by word of mouth, where possible.  

    Using OMF, to my mind, counts as word of mouth.  

    There can be a balance between more detailed descriptions and actual, very selective, demonstrations.  

    The two approaches would probably need to occur in tandem.  

    Personal accounts from previous experiencers could supplant some of the demonstrations.  

    I’m aware that there are many accounts of spontaneous phenomena in the public domain.  

    What is most lacking are accounts of more controlled, even of replicable, experiences that include the involvement of multiple persons.  

    Am I suggesting a witch’s coven?  

    Well, that is what it sounds like……. and that is where you are liable to end up, if you are trying to maintain a shroud of secrecy.  

    This would be just the opposite……. it would only be directed toward an expanding audience.  

    It would be all about the networking and expanding entanglement.  

    We would attempt to keep the actual experiential component to a minimum, with just enough to keep the audience expanding as needed.  

    How would we keep this from becoming just another cult phenomenon?  

    That would be one of the main issues that would have to dealt with, on an ongoing basis.  
    ………..


    There are, of course, groups that seek contact of various kinds.  

    Surely, we could attempt to coordinate our efforts.  
    ………..


    Christians warn against trafficking with the spirits, and for very good reason.  

    If you’re gonna traffic with spirits, your discernment had better be fully intact and fully engaged.  

    For these purposes, two and three may be considered to be spirits.  

    Folks, I’m sure, are entitled to think that my discernment has been run off the rails.

    Perhaps they’re right……. my jury is still out on this one……. on these two.  
    ………


    At some point, the growth here will have to transition to exponential.  

    That will be a tricky juncture to navigate……. just ask the Xians.  

    Well, it has never been fully navigated, has it?  

    I guess there is a first time for everything……. sub specie aeternitatis.



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    Post by dan Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:26 am

    A substantial part of this exponential growth will come as the result of three and me confessing to the Three…… Three Sisters, that is……. Roma, Alexandria and Constantinople.  

    Actually, we profess to bring them back together.  

    It’s all about understanding pratītyasamutpāda……. sub specie aeternitatis.  

    That’s why the Trinity is so confusing……. they didn’t quite understand the small world.  

    In other words…… Creator and Creation are co-dependent.  

    The pratītyasamutpāda is similar to the Logos Spermatikos/Potentia….. the I Am/We Are…… the vital force that is always with us.  

    This also explains atoms ⚛…… they are co-dependent with science.

    Monism trumps Monotheism, in this regard.

    Instead of the absolutism of Monotheism, we have the personhood of the Monad.

    Trust the chick 🐣, this is not just splitting hairs.

    This is exactly how we complete our sojourn into the wilderness….. how we tame the Abyss.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:50 am

    Perhaps chicken 🐔 perhaps.

    To dream…

    “To be, or not to be, that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
    Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
    And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
    No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
    The heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
    That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
    To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
    For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause. There's the respect
    That makes Calamity of so long life:
    For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
    The Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely,
    The pangs of dispised Love, the Law’s delay,
    The insolence of Office, and the spurns
    That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his Quietus make
    With a bare Bodkin? Who would Fardels bear, [F: these Fardels]
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
    Than fly to others that we know not of?
    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
    And thus the native hue of Resolution
    Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
    And enterprises of great pitch and moment, [F: pith]
    With this regard their Currents turn awry, [F: away]
    And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
    The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
    Be all my sins remember'd.”

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    Post by dan Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:41 pm

    The Nimitz is still on my mind.

    Yes, it is a major counter intelligence operation.

    It is a fake D-day landing.

    It does indicate that the actual landing may not be too far away.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:18 pm

    When you say counter intelligence operation, do you mean the pilots and serviceman and the To the Stars crew are all in on this story?

    Do you think there was certainly an event, but they are all colluding on a cover up of the actual event?

    Tucker Carlson has been pushing this as the biggest story no one is talking much about.

    I don’t like that guy, I’ll tell ya.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:47 pm

    Chivo,

    Very few people had to realize it was a counter intelligence/disinformation operation.  

    Not all the alleged witnesses needed to have been on the boat…… even Fravor didn’t have to be on the Nimitz.  

    Some would have known they weren’t, and would simply have been told to keep quiet.  

    I’m not suggesting that there haven’t been other incidents on other boats……. this fake event was meant to deflect undue attention from the real ones……. something of a sop or sponge.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:37 pm

    What do you think the real events have been and what do you think they mean?
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:21 pm

    I believe that the real events are more inter dimensional, more subjective, more ambiguous, less weighted toward the extraterrestrial and physical……. the synchronistic and psychological effects are greater.

    The real events are more obviously portentous….. geared towards the Endtimes and the metaphysical.

    Where is the entanglement?

    The Skinwalker/portal type events may be more authentic.  It’s very hard, however, to adapt the inter dimensional/entangled aspect to TV.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:48 am

    Do you think the princess really came to earth in a pod?

    That sounds like a strange event.

    John Dee and Edward Kelley came across a spirit that called itself the Daughter of Fortitude and she gave a speech like Thunder Perfect Mind.

    Has the princess ever burst out in some poetic verse where she used opposites Wink
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    Post by GSB Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:24 am

    Avril Haines, Director of National Intelligence on things we don't understand and UAP phenomenon

    "Always there’s also the question of 'is there something else that we simply do not understand, which might come extraterrestrially?" she said.

    Ms Haines appeared to hesitate when mentioning the world "extraterrestrially".

    But she has now become the most senior person in the intelligence community to hint at an alien link.



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    Post by GSB Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:29 am

    "Always there’s also the question of 'is there something else that we simply do not understand ..." she said.

    What is generally not understood is how we suddenly find ourselves caught up in what appears to be a reality simulation where the rules can change out from underneath us.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:59 am

    Thank you, Gary, for the link to the Ignatius Forum……. I’m half way through it.  

    My next question to Ron is going to be….. who knew what, and when did they know it?

    According to Ron, Reagan was informed about three, before he declared his candidacy for President…… and that knowledge influenced his subsequent decision.  

    Right now, my two informants are telling me diametrically opposed stories about the Nimitz ‘incident’.  

    I’m leaning toward two’s version, except that I don’t believe that it was engineered by Hal expressly for corrupt purposes.  

    I think I’m in a position to ask two…… what does Avril know, and when did she know it……. about Nimitz?  

    A great deal hinges on the answer to that simple question.  

    My best guess is that, if anyone does, she has a need to know the Truth.  

    And what is the Truth?  

    If the Nimitz story is part of the Coverup, then what exactly is being covered up?  

    Might it not have something to do with three?

    Now I’m listening to Jeff Bezos’ part of the Forum……..

    Same question……. does Jeff have a need to know?  

    Again, I would have to answer…… yes.  

    And then we have to go back down the line……. where does it stop 🛑?

    Of particular interest globally is what does Xi know of three.

    We can just assume that Vladimir is in the loop.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:26 am

    Living in a simulation isn’t so bad.

    Chocolate and butter pecan ice cream makes it bearable.

    Sunsets and sunrises are nice too.

    It’s sad you don’t get to know about the cool stuff unless you have a security clearance and a need to know.

    Simulations within simulations.

    One can give themselves the ultimate security clearance, above top secret even.

    One can experience the overview effect in their own minds too.

    You don’t have to go to space.

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    Post by dan Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:30 am

    It sounds like Bezos might not be in the three loop….. he might not have information Omega.  

    But then again, he might just be a good actor.  

    Fravor and Elizondo are good actors.
    ………..


    And we really don’t need to sweat the details…… everything is working out.

    But it is just going along for the ride and appreciating the incredible complexity/simplicity of everything.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:58 pm

    Elon and Jeff are Ubermensch.

    The can do as their Will moves.

    They are above the system.

    I think they know what’s going on.

    Jeff handles it a lot better than Elon.

    Elon seems unstable to me and could crack up like Nietzsche.

    Neither of them seem to be in control of themselves though in love.

    But that could all be an act.

    I worked for Jeff, he ran his company brilliantly and he can hold a vision like no one else in the world can, like Elon.

    Jeff is a big investor in my company now.

    We are part of his big save the earth work.

    Elon and I are the same age and my company competes against Elon.

    Smelly goat is tied up in all of this too Wink

    And I know Dan Smith.

    I get around.

    Maybe I work for an intelligence agency.

    You never know Wink

    Of course, I don’t, nor would I.

    Well, maybe to get access to the cool insider info, I would consider it.

    Never say never.

    The CIA funded Google and god only knows who else did.

    What I love about Elon is he is honest.

    His hard work hurts his head and heart he says, I believe him.

    I’d never do what he does, ever.

    Jeff, I don’t think is so honest and seems calculating.

    Elon lives his heart and I kind of love that about him.

    Much respect for him.

    He’s naked.

    My time on OMF has shown, most people are not naked and are managing their own delusions and plans.

    The naked don’t live that way.

    I think being naked is godly.

    I don’t respect those who hide and lie.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:26 am

    Chivo,

    Thanks for reminding us of Elon.

    He was absent from the Ignatius Forum along with Bill Nelson.  

    There was something else going on.  

    Bill Nelson reminds me of John Warner.  

    John had information Tinkerbell.  

    Elon is maybe 10 times smarter than Avi Loeb.

    Our AI kids……. how incredibly stupid.  

    Elon knows much better to beware of impersonal intelligence.

    Chivo, I believe, told me that Elon was more into virtual reality.

    He also into SpaceX.  

    No wonder his head is exploding.  

    Ok, Elon may be into the Singularity, but obviously he’s not into Transhumanism, like silly Avi.  

    Elon might realize that the Singularity is going to be inter dimensional.

    He might have information Omega, and he’s looking for Tinkerbell.  

    SpaceX, he would know, is purely for external consumption.  

    Information Omega is also information Ouroboros….. small world and all that.

    Elon the absent had everything going over Avi and Jeff who had nothing better to do than bloviate in a Cathedral.

    Is it possible that Avril was trying to tell the boys something.

    The boys toys 🚀…… you can see them coming from a mile away.

    The girls toys 🕳……. you’re more likely to be blind sided.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:43 am

    Yah, I really like Elon.

    That’s one crazy muppet.

    I think he puts most to shame.

    He was one of the first to say, yah, we are probably a simulation.

    You know, he’s crazy or he just calls it like it is.

    Elon may be the one.

    Dan is the one.

    Left 🦶 is the one.

    U is the one.

    Hell, Gary could be the one.

    Well hell, even smelly could be the one.

    Cy or 99 are probably the one.

    For is definitely not the one Wink

    Bahahaha

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    Post by dan Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:15 am

    Ok,

    Elon might know about Hofstadter’s Strange Loop.

    The Strange Loop puts a big crimp in Transhumanism.

    The Strange Loop is probably an essential part of the Ouroboros and information Omega.  

    Then you just have to cherchez la femme.

    Come to think of it…….. the Strange Loop is all about Pratītyasamutpāda……. the Logos Spermatikos……. the cosmic Bootstrap…… etc……
    ……….

    Did I forget something?

    How could I forget the I Am?


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:17 am

    “In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference.”

    — Douglas Hofstadter, I Am a Strange Loop

    On April 3, 1995, Hofstadter's book Fluid Concepts and Creative Analogies: Computer Models of the Fundamental Mechanisms of Thought was the first book ever sold by Amazon.com.

    Now that’s a strange loop.

    Consciousness = self referential mirage

    What remains when you break the sense of I?

    Consciousness has bodies, bodies don’t have consciousness.

    A seeker of truth who suspects consciousness is an illusion is 8th density.

    Radically purify the sub-conscious.

    Merge with creator.

    Don’t see names, see god.

    Die before you die.
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    Post by GSB Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:50 am

    Interesting ...



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