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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:10 am

    I am generous with my pity.

    I pity you too, cracked egg that you are.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 am

    dan wrote:Chivo is just full of noblesse oblige, isn’t he?  

    Really…… grow up and smell the coffee.

    Painter Doug wondered if the alleged meeting would be tantamount to Disclosure……. a meeting arranged by Stephen Segal, of all people……. but the logical one.

    I would be the last to deny.  

    If there is going to be a definitive event……. of course, it is likely to be billed as a conservation event…… conserving the world and the Siberian tigers 🐅…… and snow leopards 🐆, etc……….

    And what does Chevre 🧀 man know of cheetahs 🐆?

    The nemesis of little chick 🐣.  

    The Princess was quick to point out that it takes all kinds.

    Was this a kind too far?  



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    Obviously Dan is not a Hunter S. Thompson fan.

    Why we can’t be good friends really.

    He’s got this disclosure stick stuck all the way up his arse.

    Boring.

    Talk about needing to grow up.

    Not surprised that ole Doug still hunts snipes, not too bright.

    Govt workers are a certain kind of stupid that don’t know no better either.

    Just pawns ♟  in my game.

    I have heard whispers that snow leopards 🐆 roam the high peaks of cold mountain.

    Haven’t seen one sign of chick 🐣 on cold mountain.

    I met Hunter on cold mountain.

    He has a little hut 🛖

    We sit around the 🔥  talking shit and drinking until we fall over.

    Dan was never smart enough to realize I am gonzo reporting on disclosure.

    Not too bright is he.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:30 am

    Dan,

    You may well delete this post as You have been doing with many of My posts , but remember that the reality you participate in today becomes YOUR reality tomorrow.

    My best dowsing rods are carbon fibre based.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/dnVgJZsbPqIg/

    That is about the graphene content in the injections been given to billions, You included.

    Evil will spread when good men do nothing, and My strange senses keep telling Me that You are a good man.

    Stick Your head in the sand all You will, and then You will see billions return to source.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm

    hobbit wrote:
    Evil will spread when good men do nothing, and My strange senses keep telling Me that You are a good man.

    What evil?

    The moment of desire in the direction of becoming or changing anything in the world is the source of all the so called ‘evil’ in the world.

    Good and bad are two sides of the same deluded thinking.

    What is the difference between good and bad?

    I don’t see any difference.

    Bad is born out of good.

    Good luck to you.

    There is no source at all.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:11 pm

    236

    An emerald stream—pure spring water,
    Cold Mountain’s moonlight is luminous.
    In silence I realize my spirit is clear.
    Seeing the empty sky, things grow even more still.

    碧澗泉水清 寒山月華白 默知神自明 觀空境逾寂
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:47 pm

    Grant Cameron has brought to my attention the Space Pen Club by a Martin Keller, and asked for a response……..
    In the very first mention, he places me in a bar with Ron and Stephen Segal.  

    I have never met, nor communicated with Segal.

    As to the alleged confrontation with Daniel Sheehan (c. 1995)……..

    I recall no such event…….. or that I ever interacted with Sheehan, at all.  

    I also do not recall any Martin Keller.  I, or someone he took me for, seems to have incited his wrath and paranoia, however.   And/or he is using me as a convenient whipping boy for the CIA.  

    He seems to have been a major Steve Greer groupie, who, many years later, wishes to ride the coattails of the renewed interest in things ufological.  

    I could never fathom the whole Greer cult.  
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:15 am

    It’s easy to understand cults.

    People want to be special.

    We don’t want to die.

    Cult leaders promise to give them special attention.

    I’ve been involved with several cults in my time.

    It’s nice to belong to a community.

    No cult would have smelly goat.

    He was too smelly.

    The ufo field is dominated by charlatans, like religion.

    I’m sure there are some strands of gold in all the crap.

    These wolves circle around high information sources.

    The weak are picked off fairly easily and routed to different cesspools.

    Looking for answers in the dark opens the door 🚪 to the wolves 🐺

    Some could say OMF is a cult.

    Grant Cameron’s whackos row is a cult.

    Companies are cults.

    Political parties.

    Cells differentiate and so do humans

    Many cults everywhere.

    CIA and all the orgs we don’t know.

    Pretty wacky world.

    There are no cults on cold mountain.

    There is just the morning mist.

    In the mist.

    I see a green face 🤢

    The gurus are clamoring at the gate, the interweb.

    They shall not pass.

    Ironic, they dreamed of the internet connecting us and raising us up.

    Instead it short circuited us.

    Perhaps a golden remnant will yet rise.

    But first we have to get past the monsters.

    The monsters are us.

    And yes, I am entitled Dan.

    My state of mind was hard won.

    We know you are compromised by idols.

    You are no one to talk.

    I look back across the abyss and see the people falling into a black hole 🕳

    I hope you have a lot of rope.

    Can’t get to close or some 🐺  will snap us up.

    Why does Dan want to go back to love and order so bad?

    Nothing happens.

    A soulless vortex.

    He forgets his Empedocles.

    Heraclitus said you never step in the same river twice.

    Who is Eric and where is my identity?

    Parmenides said the opposite.

    Change is an illusion.

    Have to reject sense perception.

    The atomists react to Parmenides with their theory.

    The pluralists come up with elemental theory.

    They rejected monism.

    And sophists wonder if anything is knowable.

    We did a lot of thinking.

    And Socrates emerges from all that and he asks what is the good life?

    I ask, how best to live?

    I have no idea what Dan is talking about.
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    Post by dan Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:49 am

    1250z……..

    Poor Chivo,

    He has no clue…… no idea.  

    I am just a nebbish with a messianic Princess complex.  

    And/or someone senses that little chick 🐣 may warrant a targeted character assassination….. bringing a superannuated Greer groupie out retirement for a last assignment.

    If Keller is going to be my biggest threat, I’m one fortunate chick 🐣.  

    Actually, foot 🦶 is barely mentioned, only to introduce the chick 🐣.  

    There is no word of the Princess 👸.  I wouldn’t put it past foot 🦶 to have a finger in the pie……. and, yes, she was barely out of the cradle, in the early Nineties.  

    And all of this is accomplished in just a handful of paragraphs.  


    foot reminds me that there were two different decks on the starship Enterprise……. The Holodeck for communication and the Transport deck……. and, yes, when little joe showed up in Brazil 🇧🇷 he was wearing his flip flops.  

    Did I mention that ftgm came up with a 1950s Navy patent for a tic-tac shaped fusion powered rocket 🚀.  foot found that amusing……. doesn’t he know that tic-tacs are not real.  

    Understand that, in inter-dimensional spaces, flip-flops 🩴 are real but tic-tacs are not.  Got that?!  

    What does ftgm think about the Princess and the Putin?  

    He wants to see the paperwork on that.  He can only get his teeth into something if it’s on paper.  

    And, by the way, chickie, your future in the Royal 👑 household depends on your ability to blend in with the Chevrè 🧀 man.  

    Goodness, my nebbish qualities are really coming to the fore…… coming into demand.  


    1430……..

    Flip-flops vs tic-tacs………

    Objects are just energy and information.  

    And your neighborhood black hole/portal 🕳 can produce that transformation for you.

    When anything falls into a black hole, it information is conserved in terms of the photons that are radiated back out.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:45 am

    Go barefoot.

    You can feel much more of the earth that way.

    True, I am idealess.

    Sweet bliss.

    No clue about you or your looney friends, tis true, you are all greatly distracted and in your egos, in your minds, thinking silly thoughts.

    You don’t exist.

    You are ghosts.

    Zombies.

    You just can’t get yourselves together.

    I know exactly where I am, out of my mind, enjoying my days and nights on cold mountain around my little fire in my little hut on the side of a rock face.

    Scribbling on mountain walls.

    Join me when you like, or not, shrug.

    Fat chance of that happening in 2 lifetimes methinks.

    But you only have one.

    You specifically, don’t have long left.

    What do you want your legacy to be?

    Chasing ghosts or helping people face the hard work of living?

    I know you can do better, because I have done better.

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    Post by dan Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:23 am

    So we’re trying to understand what happens to 3.5’s flip-flops 🩴 when she goes through a portal.  

    She said it had something to do with black holes 🕳…… I didn’t catch the whole sentence, but I’m pretty sure that it included ‘information’.  

    So I’ve been studying up on black holes and information theory.  

    There are lots of paradoxes.  

    It is believed that these paradoxes are trying to tell us how space-time emerges from something more fundamental.



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    Post by hobbit Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:50 am

    IN''FORM''ATION.

    No thing exists except as a memory within ever larger memories, and all memories have a dual whorl heart ( black hole) central reverse location.

    IF???/
    You look into the central location with just the input flow , You will not see the other side of the coin as such because the reverse side is flowing in the opposite direction.


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    Post by dan Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:50 pm

    foot asked me to call Chevre man.  

    I did.  Little joe claims that there never was a White House meeting, and blames me for having stated otherwise.  

    I apologized, and pointed out that any information relayed was only done so on behalf of foot.

    For all I know, foot was trying to sabotage the meeting.  

    foot claims that I needed to use a code word with Chevre man.  

    This is all much too convoluted for chick 🐣.

    The information paradoxes of black holes are, by comparison, much more straight forward.  
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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:25 am

    Son of Satan purposely violates protocol so he can dissemble unfettered. There was a very clear and unambiguous one time phrase needed to clarify the phone call was authorized and approved. He chose not to use that phrase, then proceeded to blog with evil intent.
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    Post by dan Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:58 am

    1300z…….

    I have to wonder what might happened had I used the code phrase.  

    Would little joe have confirmed the meeting, with the presumption that I would go ahead and mention it, anyway?

    What I found to be of much greater interest was foot’s contention that Joe Biden was aware of the Princess’ mission, as early as 1984.

    I was afforded that, much more critical, piece of information, without benefit of any code words, thank you very much.  

    In the larger scheme, however, I find that contention to be quite unremarkable, after the fact.  

    At some level, bipartisanship necessarily kicks in.  

    IOW, partisanship below that level is mainly for our entertainment.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 am

    I got a secret code too.

    Pay attention...

    🐐💨
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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:29 am

    The Duck must Quack the Code or no Pie ala Mode.
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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:05 am

    Foot Mann wrote:The Duck must Quack the Code or no Pie ala Mode.

    Is it "got any grapes"??



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    Post by dan Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:26 am

    1430z…….

    It seems that there is some agreement that Joe Firmage should not be making a solo presentation to the United Nations, if such an eventuality is even in the works.  

    Joe basically subscribes to the Mormon cosmology, which is radically impersonal compared with every other (traditional) cosmology……. in as much as it patterns itself on the scientific worldview.

    There is the claim that Joe F has already given his presentation to members of the Biden cabinet……. this being a totally one man show.  

    It appears that he is attempting a preemptive Disclosure…… not a good sign.  

    Who would be giving him permission to address an international forum, is not at all clear.  

    It might even be possible that Biden is trying to preempt Trump in this matter.  

    The whole business does not smell right.  

    I guess we are in good company, in as much as Vladimir Putin is reported to also be unfavorable to this alleged development.  

    It does sound like this is a last ditch effort to hijack Disclosure.  

    This is in no way meant to indicate any political preferences on my part.  

    I have never been favorable to Donald Trump, for instance.  

    At least, however, Trump seemed to be willing to maintain a background role……. letting Disclosure proceed on its more natural and gradual course….. without shock and awe.  

    All of this may only be clouds in our coffee ☕, but I’m not one to not say something when I hear something, possibly relevant.  

    Otherwise, we may carry on……


    1520……..

    I’d like to get back to using the black hole/information speculations amongst the physics community as potential metaphors for our best possible Metanarrative.  

    The physics community is showing a great deal of imagination on this score……. as long as they don’t have to bear any burden of its possible relevance to our mundane world.

    To their thinking, their speculations are only relevant to places and events far away and long ago……… on the other side of the universe…… bless their innocent and mathematically disciplined hearts 💕.  

    When I first heard of the spaghetti vacuum (c. 1975), it seemed to me to be detracting from the much more significant Anthropic Principle, also emerging around that time.  

    Little did I suspect how two such wildly disparate speculations might one day be able to reinforce one another.  

    Me of little faith……. as if everything didn’t have its place and time, in the best possible world.  

    It seems, according to some of these speculations, that black holes are comprised mainly of the spaghetti vacuum, where the spaghetti 🍝 is a placeholder for quantum entanglement.  

    It does seem that we’ve come a long way from the days of atoms ⚛ swerving in the void.  

    In our brave new world, everything is connected with everything else.  

    Our world, in actuality, is filled with spaghetti, but we have not yet been fitted with our spaghetti glasses that would make all of this apparent.  

    As it is, we generally have to travel to the other side in order to get some clues as to what is actually going on.  

    Freud and Jung were the early modern speculators as to the types of things that might be going on.  

    Psychedelics provide us with another window 🪟 onto spaghetti 🍝 land.  


    1620………

    And what does any of this have to do with black holes, pray tell?  

    Honestly, chick 🐣 doesn’t even believe in black holes…… rather, I see them as mainly providing a good excuse for…… and becoming….. a mathematical proving ground/playpen for speculations about our immaterial cosmology.  

    Right off the top, I would suggest that mathematics makes up a good deal of the sauce that is going to make all of this spaghetti 🍝 digestible.

    Also, I might venture to suggest that, in this best possible world, the two Joes are having the effect of keeping all of our feet 👣 to the fire 🔥, when it comes to Disclosure.  Otherwise, we just might fall asleep at the switch.  


    1730……..

    Number three and the chick appear to be in alignment on these matters.  

    Hopefully, joe will have his road to Damascus moment…… somewhere along this line.  

    A good, brief history of black holes is…… https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-black-hole-information-paradox-comes-to-an-end-20201029/

    And……  
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/newfound-wormhole-allows-information-to-escape-black-holes-20171023/  etc…….

    Quanta magazine appears to have the most complete information package 📦.  


    And another goodie…… https://www.quantamagazine.org/tensor-networks-and-entanglement-20150428/ …… How Quantum Pairs Stitch Space-Time



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:28 pm

    Disclosure is a profound distraction.

    No one controls it.

    It’s seemingly beyond top secret.

    Muppets are keeping more secrets now, not less.

    Now that we live in true big brother world, suspect all agents of power as corrupt.

    But we accept anything that happens.
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    Post by jofo Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:28 pm

    disclosure happened long ago, it remains uninteresting

    nothing secret or intriguing

    firmage addressing the UN, that would be entertaining, and talk about distracting...what could he possible compel them to do?
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    Post by dan Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:11 pm

    Yes, Disclosure happened long ago in the infinite recesses of the Metanarrative.  

    All control that any of us appear to be exercising concurrently was actually worked out by the cosmic Consensus, even before the beginning of time.  

    Whatever drama may appear to us will still be dramatic to us, nonetheless.  

    It may not be much, but it’s still gonna be the greatest show in town.  

    Relax and enjoy it, or did someone say that already?  

    You may not think much of it at first, but it’s liable to grow on you.

    It may be an acquired taste.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:08 pm

    You are both far far more ancient than I, so you would know of such things better than I.

    I have not a care for your core story.

    Oblivious.

    I’m onto the first core story.

    The one still happening.

    Why settle for shadows and illusions when u can be here.

    There is another side of life.

    Not modern.

    Not religious.

    Not written.

    Not spoken.

    Not philosophical.

    Hermetic.

    Being with the monad I suppose.

    Cold Mountain 🏔

    I’ll meet you there.

    We will watch the sun rise and feel the wind and we will be with this.

    There are no disagreements on 🏔
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    Post by dan Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:20 am

    1120z……..

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05095-z ….. What Is Spacetime?  
    In causal set theory, they are events related by a web of cause and effect. In the amplituhedron theory and some other approaches, there are no building blocks at all—at least not in any conventional sense.

    Although the organizing principles of these theories vary, all strive to uphold some version of the so-called relationalism of 17th- and 18th-century German philosopher Gottfried Leibniz. In broad terms, relationalism holds that space arises from a certain pattern of correlations among objects. In this view, space is a jigsaw puzzle. You start with a big pile of pieces, see how they connect and place them accordingly. If two pieces have similar properties, such as color, they are likely to be nearby; if they differ strongly, you tentatively put them far apart. Physicists commonly express these relations as a network with a certain pattern of connectivity. The relations are dictated by quantum theory or other principles, and the spatial arrangement follows.
    Hmmm……. the best possible connectivity……


    1320………

    So, we have and entanglement paradox…….

    Entanglement can be used to construct space, and it can also be used to deconstruct space….. in the form or portals.  

    But that’s not right……. in the case of portals, entanglement is being used to stitch two different spaces at a particular portal.

    In other words, entanglement can also operate as a wormhole between spaces.  

    This is something that physicists are already working on.

    Wormholes are being used to avoid the information paradox of black holes 🕳.  

    They are coming to the conclusion that ER = EPR, or, in other words, that entanglement can produce holes 🕳 in space, ie. portals.  


    1430…….

    And here is a news flash…….

    Like many of us, the Chevre man 🧀 would like to meet with the Princess 👸.  

    It seems, however, that he would need to meet with chick 🐣, first.  

    It has also been suggested that he and I give a joint Ted Talk, prior to any UN 🇺 appearance.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:28 am

    Anyone who thinks they need to meet anyone else is a very very confused muppet.

    More of the same from chic and crew.

    All this time and no where to go.

    All these flowers and they want portals.

    I stared at a daisy yesterday and it took me to the other side of being.

    I was laying with my dog and we both fell through a portal to Mars.

    We could even breathe.

    We met Elon there and had some tea.

    Then we were back in our bed lickety split.

    But we were not trying to go to Mars or meet Elon.

    It just happens.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:44 am

    If Joe wants to meet with the Queen bee 🐝 let him, haha!

    Not sure why he would need to meet with the Chick 🐣 first.

    That’s kinda funny.

    Sometimes muppets have muppet protocols.

    Don’t know, maybe there’s a logical reason.

    🤷🏼

    Good luck to him.

    Yes smelly, I am calling her the Queen bee 🐝. Eat it. Wink

    I know it smells culty, but this is not like your typical cult, not even close.

    The Queen bee cult might be the cult to end all cults, for realz.

    I don’t anticipate anything happening, but Joe and whatever Mormon ideologies might still be there, could possibly be in for a real treat. 🍭

    🙃

    Just saying.

    I wouldn’t discourage anyone from taking a good long hard look in the mirror when necessary.

    Joe may very well be confused but sometimes confusion has to work itself out.

    “Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them; that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like.”

    -Lao Tzu

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