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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:42 pm

    We are here to enjoy the beautiful garden of earth.

    One may walk among the gardens as they desire.

    One may even get lost in the garden and should.

    We are not alone in the garden.

    There are many wonders.

    Lovely illusions.

    Invisible beings and visible ones inside and out.

    No, we are not alone.

    But that same energy that leads us into the garden, leads us away.

    Dan and many true believers would say, to our true home, the spiritual plane.

    There appear to be many obstacles on our way back to said home.

    You can't go around them, you must endure and go through them.

    As one can get lost in the garden, one can get lost in the imaginal world.

    We are made to walk between it all.

    I cannot say what will happen the next second.

    I can make a probable guess after a lot of practice.

    The Kundalini energy is powerful.

    So, we go left or right, up or down, just enough.

    I dare you to love it with all your heart.

    You want to know the one.

    You can in that union.

    The Chasm of Fire is beyond description.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:43 pm

    I allowed myself to make some false assumptions as to big Joe’s awareness of our situation, or lack thereof.  

    He may well be more aware of little joe’s situation than is joe, himself.

    In fact big Joe became aware of the Princess’ presence in this country as early as 1984, with her arrival being in 1983.

    It is quite likely, then, that OSTP was aware that joe’s mission to the White House was not unrelated to the mission of the Princess.

    It remains possible that little joe is the only one of us who is still unaware.  

    And, yes, the Patagonia excursion may lead to some resolution of the above events.  

    I am left to strongly suspect that said resolution will be an essential aspect of Disclosure.  

    And what role does the Biden-Trump contest and the Libertarian party play in the resolution, pray tell?  

    The question of awareness is rapidly being turned around…….

    Who is not yet aware of her significance, besides, perhaps, little joe?  

    None of us is going anywhere without the approval of the Princess.  

    Get over it, get used to it.  



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    Post by dan Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:39 am

    1140z……..

    The explanatory problem shifts from how is Disclosure going to happen, to why hasn’t it already happened……

    Is it simply that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?

    The former Presidents might have issued a joint communique, for instance.  

    Then what is stopping them?  

    Presumably, they have already agreed on an existing plan of action.  

    Could no other group of individuals make a preemptive Disclosure?  

    Perhaps some have tried, unsuccessfully.  

    Did the Aviary try?  

    Well, the core story never made it to book form.

    Did they agree not to write it?  

    With the core story, we have no shortage of messengers.  

    But we couldn’t agree as to the message?  

    There may have been a general understanding that Disclosure had to be a package 📦 deal, and that the package was still being assembled.  


    1300…….

    In his meeting at the White House, today, little joe may be the only one who does not suspect the Princess’ involvement in whatever phenomena he has to describe or demonstrate.

    Presumably, if he is not bringing the device, there will be witnesses present.  I suspect that foot will not be present.

    Will little joe be under a non-disclosure agreement?  

    Will the meeting not be logged?  

    What phenomena does the device produce?

    And what does Patagonia have to do with all of this?  

    Recall that, on our way to Panama 🇵🇦, we met the couple that was on its way to Patagonia, and this time, allegedly, they’ll be going to Panama.  

    Go figure…….. we have entanglement with a considerable time delay.

    And, yes, the WCM has arrived on station 🚉.  

    And, speaking of the WCM, where is Tasseography going to emerge into this mix?


    1400……..

    Little joe has been off his substances for only a very few months.  

    We have to wonder how that is going.

    Can all of his meetings in DC be kept out of any wider circulation?

    Can the cone of silence still be maintained?  

    We can only suppose that this ‘cone’ will become increasingly porous.  

    Is no one, besides chick, waiting for the next shoe to drop?  

    Is no one else coming forward?

    Is there a conspiracy of secrecy, or simply a pall of indifference?  

    The latter seems rather more likely.

    The original reason given for joe coming to DC was for cyber security.  

    Casual inquiries could be met with the same response.  

    If Trump is still in charge of Disclosure, has Biden freely agreed.

    Or perhaps he made the suggestion in the first place.  

    In the run up to the 2016 election, I got the impression that there were different teams briefing the two candidates.  

    I was given similar information with regard to the Democrat and Republican members of the SSCI, when I met with Chris Straub.

    However, the Firmage episode suggests that there can be considerable  overlap between elections.  

    However, the bipartisanship was something to be remarked upon, in the case of Firmage.

    Back in the day, how balanced was the dissemination of information with regard to 3, and how widespread?  

    Back in ’84, Joe was still just a junior Senator.  He was not active with national security issues.  


    1630……..

    Granted that eschatology is not a crowd pleaser, but is the Eschaton also acting as the Katechon with regard to Disclosure?  

    It could well be.  But at some point, the Restrainer is going to have to give way.  

    How far into the Abyss will the Restrainer be allowed to block the Truth?  

    If all of us are the Katechon, how much will it take to overcome our Qualms as the co-Creators?  And how could it be accomplished?

    The concept of the best possible Eschaton is not going to be an easy sell.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:45 pm

    Dan wrote:None of us is going anywhere without the approval of the Princess.

    Bullshitz.

    One authorizes themselves, that is to say, pierces their ego and sees they are not doing anything really.

    And if you have submitted yourself to another, you are an old fool Dan Smith.

    Dan is scared of this Princess image.

    He has yielded to it apparently.

    He worships this being as an idol.

    This form.

    Not good.

    It is an obstacle for him.

    I wonder what he will do.

    He has been very angry in the past when pushed in regards to said Princess.

    If you met Michael the Archangel, he would bow to you.

    Perhaps Dan is wrapped up in a Luciferian plot after all.

    No one being has any significance.

    All of it together does.

    One should not seek the significance of another, one must realize their own significance, part of all of this.

    Enough of this idol worship.

    Barfield would chide you.

    I don’t care what being knows what.

    Do you love this with all your heart?

    Dan has fallen in love with or been captured by the doors to perception it seems to me.

    Open them and walk through.

    You have the key.

    No one else can block or authorize you.

    You don’t have much time left.

    Dan talks of Disclosure as an event to come.

    It was always plain to see.

    And I don’t mean the core story layer.

    Go deeper.

    It is deeper.

    It’s an abyss.

    The question is not when is disclosure coming, it’s how are you going to cross the Abyss?

    Indeed.

    No one will help you but yourselves.

    Quite a pickle we have here.

    Maybe the princess can show you.

    Not.

    I guess this is why I never met her.

    She would melt in my presence.

    All false melts in my presence.

    It’s kind of a game cheat.

    God gave me a power up.

    I guess God was sick of waiting for all of you.

    I got it.

    I don’t quit.

    And I fail less and less.

    While you were busy chasing fairies Dan, the ground has given way beneath your feet.

    Do you see what has been uncovered?

    Not yet I think.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:22 pm

    She can make me mind my manners

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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:33 pm

    Although still uneasy interacting with Son of Satan, he is the most reasonable on the Blog. He was one of the first people the Princess chose to meet after coming out of the "closet" and she continues to keep him on her Team. Despite a long history of failures, disloyal behaviors, and dishonest actions, the Princess has him on her short list representing the underworld, but soon perhaps one small world.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:44 pm

    Buy the ticket, take the ride.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:44 pm

    dan wrote:She can make me mind my manners

    No one came make me do anything.

    Glad you know your limits.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:49 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:Although still uneasy interacting with Son of Satan, he is the most reasonable on the Blog. He was one of the first people the Princess chose to meet after coming out of the "closet" and she continues to keep him on her Team. Despite a long history of failures, disloyal behaviors, and dishonest actions, the Princess has him on her short list representing the underworld, but soon perhaps one small world.

    Oh yah, wtf cares what she likes or I like or you like or what Dan likes?

    Doesn’t matter.

    No one speaks for another.

    All have to give their own account.

    If she knew her shit, she would know that.

    Trust must be earned.

    It is best to trust no one at the beginning.

    She sounds like a child to me, which is not a bad thing.

    No accounting for taste.

    It is impossible to explain why different people like different things, especially those things that another  considers unappealing.

    I find liking everyone is the best strategy.

    That’s what it means to love life with all your heart.

    A lesson your crew seems not to have learned yet.

    Obviously, you are children.

    Hello children.

    Don’t be afraid.

    In the making of anything of value, there are many failures.

    Fail harder.

    Improve one step at a time.

    No skipping to the end now.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:28 am

    Thinking is how you know matter, not yourself.

    Rudolf Steiner was one of the best thinkers who ever lived, but he was also very wrong.

    Dan demonstrates the same kind of thinking.

    Barfield was misled by Steiner and others.

    For the meditator there can be no central figure.

    Concentration is a narrowing.

    “When a cuckoo goes crazy, it is God going crazy. Don't exclude, don't exclude him; you will be excluding God. Don't exclude anything; be inclusive. Concentration is a narrowing of consciousness; meditation is expansion: all doors are open, all windows are open, and you are not choosing. Then of course, when you don't choose you cannot be distracted. This is the beauty of meditation: a meditator cannot be distracted. And let that be the criterion: if you are distracted, know that you are doing concentration, not meditation. A dog starts barking -- a meditator is not distracted. He absorbs that too, he enjoys that too.”

    Love the loons or you are a fraud left 🦶 a total complete inauthentic fraud.

    Reject what comes and you are a fraud.

    Yuh are the ego, judging and choosing.

    So let’s be honest, your ego wants Disclosure.

    With all your heart you want the tension resolved Dan.

    Bless your little chick heart.

    I think you are sincere.

    Your ego wants eschatology.

    Your ego wants an answer and resolution to the tension.

    Goats are just smelly and don’t need answers.

    Fat dudes are just fat, they have no answers.

    No answer is an answer, like a zen koan.

    To seek answers is to seek for your conditioned ego.

    2000 years of thinking and it’s brought the earth to the edge of destruction.

    So tell me how great our thoughts are.

    But ‘no mind’ exposes being.

    A Christian has to let their Christian mind go.

    A Hindu, their Hindu mind.

    A Buddhist, the Buddha mind.

    We are easily captured by idols.

    Those seeking disclosure or Eschatons, have a tension.

    They seek to go somewhere they don’t realize is here now.

    The tension has to be released by writing or speaking it.

    The poet is not at peace.

    They write poems to express the tension of resisting being.

    To make the princess a central figure, is to be religious.

    Buddha, Jesus, Christ, Princess, just states of being.

    You can experience those states.

    They aren’t special.

    The split mind cannot realize or see beneath my words.

    Yuh create a polarity and duality where there is none.

    No, Steiner was wrong and right and an ego maniac, as are his followers.

    He was a genius and narrow minded.

    When you open up, you don’t find I, yuh find nothing, which is everything.

    There is not a path, because a path or way is needed if your reality is far away from you.

    Then it has to be joined by a path.

    But my whole insistence is that your reality is available to you right now. It is just within you. A path is not needed to reach to it.

    In fact, if you drop all paths, you will suddenly find yourself standing in it. The more you follow paths, the farther away you go from yourself.

    Paths misguide, mislead, because you are already that which you are seeking.

    So paths, nor portals, are needed accept to learn that there are no paths to anywhere that is not here.

    Have you ever seen a portalless portal?

    A portal is an oxymoron.

    A portal is a cosmic joke.

    Have you seen a gateless gate?

    A gateless gate is a gate yuh never go through.

    What is a pointless gate?

    Pointless is a clue.

    You will never have a thought that totally satisfies you.

    Every thought is a tension, where there is none.

    The mind and thinking make the body shameful and sinful, not the body.

    You just arrive on cold mountain one day is all I can say.  

    You will leave not a rack behind.

    If you don’t love the loon
    You will seal your doom
    If you don’t love the muppet
    Forever will you be a puppet

    In the end Prospero gives up his magic.

    All magicians give up their illusory magic worlds in the end.

    When the magician dies, so do their illusions.

    Some dreams take awhile to fade away, but they all will.

    Truly, when you know your goose is cooked, there is nothing to let go of.

    Decay is your helper.

    Nature has solved your life’s dilemmas.

    You don’t have to let go, because there is nothing to hold onto.

    This being human is a slippery business.

    “Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
    As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
    Are melted into air, into thin air;
    And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
    The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces,
    The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
    Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve;
    And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
    Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
    As dreams are made on, and our little life
    Is rounded with a sleep.” —The Tempest (IV.i.148–158)

    Sleep 😴 well my muppet friends.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:15 am

    Chivo makes a point or two.

    All the thinking 🤔 has already been done……. we are just going through the motions.  

    We are merely the re-enactors.

    But we all have to go through the motions of remembering.

    We are here to recollect……. ourselves…… to literally gather ourselves back together.

    That’s all…… it’s no biggie.

    Portals are not necessary, but they can be useful in a pinch 🤏.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:01 am

    Exactly.

    We are gathering ourselves back together.

    What do you do when the world melts down and all seems lost to chaos?

    Your best work.

    You do not reach for saviors or disclosure or Trump or easy answers.

    God damn it, when will humanity grow up?!

    The only way is to love this, cheesy, but profound.

    Remember your heart.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:10 pm

    I have been trying to explain that the planet is a living entity.
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-warning-from-planet-climate-change-163804202.html

    I wonder WHO the planet is talking to?

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    Post by dan Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:46 am

    0950z……..

    The Earth talks to the Monad.

    The Monad talks to the Earth.  

    The I Am talks to the We Are….. and vice versa.

    The I Am is a conscious entity……. and is the Source of mind.  

    The Earth is the source of biological/mortal life.

    The Earth is not an entity.  

    There is a sense in which the Earth is the rim of the Abyss.  

    It is the Event Horizon.  

    In as much as the Earth is an entity, it would be the Princess.  

    The I and the We are mutually dependent.

    Together, they form a core of Pratītyasamutpāda.  


    1300………

    Joe Firmage doesn’t have a thesis.  

    chick 🐣 claims to have the only/best possible thesis.  

    In that sense, he incarnates my antithesis.  

    All I need to do is protect my turf vis à vis the Princess.  

    He is probably aware of her role, but they have not communicated.  

    foot communicates frequently with joe, but not in person, to my knowledge.

    Today Joe is taking a test run on the investor’s yacht 🛥 that he is bringing to Patagonia.  

    I’m having a difficult time imagining the two of us on the same expedition.  

    The latest thought being bandied about is that little joe would replace big Joe.  It’s not clear what would happen with Kamala.  

    I’m sure that the Trump people would welcome this development.  

    What I need to ascertain is what role his alleged device may play in his alleged access to the White House.  

    Is joe being used as a decoy for the Princess?  

    Joe’s Mormon/big world hypothesis is a principal, incoherent antithesis of the small world hypothesis.  

    As far as I know, joe is residing at his Canadian investor’s apartment in DC.  The investor is likely to be a co-religionist.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 pm

    OK,

    So! WHO or what ( the borg) has instructed what is occurring presently
    as detailed in this video globally???
    Is it the big I am?



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    Post by dan Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:19 pm

    Rumor has it that Chevre man and the Princess are likely to be engaged in a pied-a-deux somewhere along the west bank of the East River in the next few weeks.

    Is chick 🐣’s beak even slightly bent out of shape?

    Nah……. not a chance.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:20 pm

    The Trump people can go to hell.

    I mean, really go to hell and burn.

    Man I wish there was a hell for them.

    Wink

    Don’t get me started on princesses.

    Royalty can go to you know where to.

    There is no royalty or trumpets on cold mountain.

    Their hearts aren’t the same as us ole goats.

    Poor hobbit, lost in the jet wash.

    I hope he can find his way to Cold Mountain.

    Meet me there hobbit.

    We don’t need anyone to show us anything.



    Road to Cold 🥶  Mountain 🏔

    A road to Cold Mountain? Ridiculous! A "road"
    Gashed by no hoof-scuff of horse or rut from cart?

    How to follow the bends and crooks of zigzagging valleys?
    How to link trail-splits where peaks vanish into peaks?

    A "road" where millions of grass-blades weep tears,
    And ten thousand windblown pines wail as one -

    Where whenever, and again, you lose your way,
    Of your body's shadow you must ask, "Where next?"

    --Translated by Stanton Hager
    in Huangshan Poems from the T'ang Dynasty
    ( Cape Cod: 21st Editions, 2009)

    There are no boats on Cold Mountain.
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    Post by U Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:42 pm

    Trump is gone Fthor, why do you still care about him?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:06 pm

    U wrote:Trump is gone Fthor, why do you still care about him?

    Dan mentioned Trump’s people, so I had to be a smartass Wink

    🧠🐐

    **rant on**

    Trump is no better than Hitler in my book.

    Hitler and Trump are good at destroying things.

    I guess then more flowers can grow.

    I just would have never thought an idiot like Trump could capture their small minds, but he’s a good pro wrestler.

    They don’t know pro wrestling is fake.

    But apparently 1/3 of America is literally dumb as a rock.

    Fascinating really.

    I knew we were dumb, but not that dumb.

    **rant off**
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    Post by U Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:14 pm

    Yeah he plays a character, he's very obvious.

    He was a New York Democrat for many years probably still is.


    I'm of the mind socialists and communists aren't Democrats either, I'm sure you agree.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:58 pm

    I’m not ideological.

    I’m not so stupid to be involved in politics.

    It’s a game for the idiots.

    I watch how people treat other people.

    So fuck Trump and all the cons.

    In a way they teach the fool a lesson.

    In a way they are evil fucks.

    Don’t be evil.

    You will never find cold mountain through evil.

    If a man makes Trump his idol, fuck them to.

    I put Marcus Aurelius up to him and all who have come before and since.

    That was a god damn beautiful man.

    More of that.

    I am not about tearing the world down.

    I love life.

    I love my life with all my heart.

    And if others don’t, so be it, but they shall not have my respect.

    I’m a naked fool, but I love life.

    More of that.

    We can do better.

    I can do a lot better.

    I will.

    What are you gonna do?
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    Post by U Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:16 pm

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:25 pm

    I’m selfish for humanity.

    Fuck those in it for themselves.

    🔥  in hell.

    I’m optimistic about our future.

    We can pull it out best in the worst.

    So go ahead Zeus!

    Bring your worst!

    Let the storm rage!!!

    We will bring our BEST!

    A person who makes a beast of themselves gets rid of the pain of being a human.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:16 pm

    What has driven people to this rabid love for fat oranges?

    Hunter S. Thompson said it about them when he wrote about the Hell’s Angels. The ones who keep their venom bottled up, erupt the most. The venom grew through a program of obsolescence.

    The ones most negatively effected by technological progress, are least equipped to realize what is happening.

    They break things.

    They throw bottles at mirrors.

    They beat their families.

    They molest children.

    They storm the capital.

    The venom grows in them from being made obsolete and being devalued.

    I don’t blame them.

    Not all of us have the ability to do well in this new tech world.

    There are a lot of losers.

    We can’t forget them.

    We have to just accept them broken.

    It’s hard to listen to their drivel at times.

    And painful to watch their silly insurrections.

    But they don’t know no better.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:03 am

    Chivo is just full of noblesse oblige, isn’t he?  

    Really…… grow up and smell the coffee.

    Painter Doug wondered if the alleged meeting would be tantamount to Disclosure……. a meeting arranged by Stephen Segal, of all people……. but the logical one.

    I would be the last to deny.  

    If there is going to be a definitive event……. of course, it is likely to be billed as a conservation event…… conserving the world and the Siberian tigers 🐅…… and snow leopards 🐆, etc……….

    And what does Chevre 🧀 man know of cheetahs 🐆?

    The nemesis of little chick 🐣.

    The Princess was quick to point out that it takes all kinds.

    Was this a kind too far?



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