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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am

    1440z………

    2.5?  

    chick 🐣 has generally referred to this entity as 3.5.  

    But 2.5 might be more accurate, topologically……. ontologically.  

    The pendulum is arguably the most ancient of mechanical ⚙ devices, having preexisted the wheel by an Aeon or two.  

    Tarzan was swinging from vines long before the wheeled chariot was invented.  

    The funny thing is that we still have no clue as to how the pendulum works.  

    If you wish to understand the pendulum, you might want to start with one of my fav entities, the Monster 👹 group, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Monstrous_moonshine , bearing absolutely no resemblance to 2.5.  

    Allegedly, pendulums work by gravity, but gravity is the most mysterious aspect of physics, bar none.  

    In fact, you might say the chick is a gravity skeptic 🤨, despite the sky 🌌 falling on his noggin.  

    But, if you can understand pendulums, you will understand gravity.  

    See, the problem is that, if you ask how pendulums work, you will soon become inebriated 🥴 with Monstrous Moonshine 🌚.  

    Instead, we need to ask why they work.    

    As foot points out, the pendulum is almost the simplest of oscillators.  

    Gravity waves are simpler.  

    Am I referring to the cosmic chirps?  

    Yes, but ocean (gravity) waves are simpler.  

    It turns out that everything is entirely composed of waves 🌊.  

    A pendulum then is a wave of waves.  

    But, no, chick doesn’t believe in quantums, either.  

    A pendulum works because we need a level playing field for all of the Source’s little avatars.  

    And because of the Identity of Indiscernibles.  

    Just as there is only one electron…… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe , there is also only one pendulum.  

    Well, pendulums do appear discernible, but that is only because you are seeing them askance……. kind of like we see ourselves and each other.  

    If you want to understand gravity, you will have to understand ADS/CFT…… just for starters.  Conformal field theory is all about indiscernibility…… also known as scale invariance.  

    Pendulums are nothing, if not scale invariant.  

    Every inverse square law is also scale invariant.  

    Holograms are also scale invariant…… in several crucial aspects.  

    And I’m sure you understand the holographic theory of gravity…… which is about the same as the entropic theory of gravity…… which invokes something like zero point energy.  

    With theories of conformality, it is easy to understand how we are all one with the One ☝….. and how pratītyasamutpāda works.  

    Oscillations, in general, are scale invariant.  

    If you’ve seen one pendulum, you’ve seen them all.  

    If you’ve seen one person, you’ve seen us all.  

    It’s all about the microcosm.  

    But wasn’t 10^10 of us going a bit overboard?  

    Well, if there is only gonna be one best possible world, you might as well do it with gusto.  

    And best be careful of whose toes you step on…… the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.  

    And, in the End, there is only the one cosmic Oscillation……. Ommm……. echoing in the Abyss.  


    1920……..

    I am spending some more time on the recent paper that Gary introduced to us last week on Minimal Primitivism (EK Chen), which takes the Humean view that physical laws are descriptive of phenomena rather than governing.  

    This is certainly the view of the BPWH.  

    The laws of physics merely supervene on the world of phenomena.  

    This is nearly the inverse of the mind supervening on the brain, as supposed by materialists.  

    In the Humean case, the physical supervenes on the phenomenal aspects of the world, whereas, with the materialists, the phenomenal mind supervenes on the physical brain.
    ………


    Unfortunately, this paper remains highly pedantic throughout.

    I suspect that there may be radical metaphysical speculations underlying the very technical expositions.  But the authors are not about to reveal any such agenda.   Too bad……..  

    In the end, they are even reluctant to admit that they might have an immaterialist agenda.  

    They are certainly not looking to pick any fights within the groves of academe.  

    However, to suggest that time/causality is not a primitive of their system is certainly to leave open the door to teleology……. they even mention the possibility of closed timelike curves (CTCs).
    ………


    Back to pendulums briefly…….

    If there did not appear to uniform laws of physics, nature would be in chaos.

    Life appears to emerge out of this uniformity. But is the uniformity rather emerging from life, itself.

    It just depends on your metaphysical proclivities…… priorities.



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    Post by dan Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:20 am

    1420z…….

    Yes, we have the Identity of Indiscernibles, but maybe Gottfried was being a little more clever than he was letting on.  

    The II sounds rather technical and precise, and that is the way that most philosophers have taken it.  

    But ‘indiscernible’ leaves the door open to much mischief.  

    If we have seen one pendulum, have we seen them all?  

    That is a more subjective form of indiscernibility.  

    If we are acquainted with one oscillating system, are we acquainted with all of them?  

    We certainly are, in some strong mathematical sense.  

    This is what numbers are about…… the lingua Franca of objects and subjects.  

    Numbers inevitably point to the Logos……. the Logos Atomos/Spermatikos……. the indivisible core of the Logos.  

    This is something like finding the Monster 👹 group at the core of physics.  

    It is something like the Mandelbrot……. the simplicity at the core of extreme complexity.  

    If we have seen one number, have we seen them all?  

    Yes, if we have seen ‘pi’, we have seen them all.  

    In the End, there is but one subject and one object.  

    The self-aware I Am is both subject and object.  

    The I Am fell in love with herself…… and the rest is history.  

    We invited Nature to our party 🎉, as the best possible ground of our being.  

    If we see one tree, we have seen them all.  

    If we have seen 10^10 persons, we have seen the face of the cosmic Abyss, our own reflection, and then we can sit down and have a beer 🍻 with the Abyss.  

    What more could we hope for?

    Yes, we are the mirror of the Abyss.  

    We are why there had to be something rather than nothing.  

    We were the gleam in the eye 👁 of the Abyss.  

    Yes, in some sense, there have to be two numbers…… 0 & 1.  One sees itself reflected in the 0.  

    We are the progeny of 0 & 1……. 10^10.  
    ……….


    When we go to the other side, a physicist might say that we are going off the mass shell.  A mathematician would say that we are going off the real axis.  

    This is where virtual particles live.

    This is Meinong’s jungle.  

    The entirety of the Mandelbrot lies off of the real axis.  

    This is the land of altered states.  

    In some respects, the off axis is much bigger than the axis.  

    We are like a flatland.  

    The other side is not a level playing field.  

    It is not flat.  

    There are a potential infinity ♾ of inter-dimensions.  

    It might get very lonely 😞 out there.  Folks might want to stick together.  

    There is no part of the other side, however, that is not reflected in this side.  

    Does that make this the best possible world?  

    Well, if we think of one side as Heaven and the other side as Hell, the real axis occupies the best possible middle ground.  

    Off the real axis, in the imaginary plane, there is the optimal amount of compactification.  

    One would suspect that the Identity of Indiscernibles figures prominently in this compactification.  

    Off axis, especially because of the compactification, the topology might get a bit weird…… one could easily imagine objects like the Alexander horned sphere that is wild in three-space…… speaking of inter-dimensional.  


    1940……….

    A real particle goes virtual by entangling itself with other virtual particles.  

    No, technically it is the reverse……. it is disentangling itself.  

    To come back onto the real axis, it re-entangles itself with those other virtual particles that it had previously spun off.  

    This may only be slightly suggestive of what happens with actual portal transits.  


    0140……..

    My understanding is that some folks we know will review a certain set of documents to be sure that the sensitive material is not released to the public.  

    The documents of interest pertain to a particular governmental program dealing with the phenomenology problem.  

    Well, as the jguy said…….. render unto Caesar………

    The public does not have a need to know?  

    Not according to foot.  

    Is chick being asked to lend approval to the sequestration?  

    In order to do so, I would have to be apprised of the details.  

    Given such details, I could only reserve judgment.  

    It seems likely that the documents would pertain to three, among others.

    It could be a delicate situation.

    And/or I’m being asked to release my own third or fourth hand summary.

    That might be the best we could expect.



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    Post by dan Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:36 am

    Clearly, we are playing a game of connecting the dots.

    Dots, dots, who’s got the dots?

    Who is collecting the dots?

    Who is on the other end of the party 🎉 line?  

    How many even remember party lines?  

    Today, however, every line is a party line.

    Let’s party.  

    Whoever is in charge of the cover, has to also be in charge of the uncover.  It’s two sides of the same coin 🪙.  

    Yes, hold your friends close…….

    Them that’s talking, don’t know……
    ……….


    So, where does that leave us with the identity of indecernibles?  

    It leaves us with a very big loophole, ontologically speaking.

    Fools may have no discernment.  

    That’s why God loves them so much.  

    God looks after small children and fools.  
    ……….


    And, speaking of fools, I did just have a half hour conversation with Keith K.  

    Keith is the biggest skeptic that I’ve ever heard of.  

    I do have to wonder to what degree his skepticism may be studied.  

    To the degree that he might be working for the government…… collecting dots.  

    What some folks will do to put bread 🥖 on the table.  

    According to Keith, there is no phenomenology problem.  

    He does agree that foot is working on this non-problem.  

    In fact, foot is the only person, known outside the beltway, to be working on this non-problem.  

    But, yes, Keith does know many of the actors.  

    He came down to meet with Joe F, while Joe was making the rounds in DC.  

    He is aware that Joe was not really on a cyber mission.  

    Other than that, our conversation was like two ships passing in the night.  

    Yes, I’ll vouch for Keith…….. his cover runs deep.  

    You’d have to see it to believe it.  

    I asked who he got his skepticism from.

    He didn’t have a straight answer.  

    I think he may have a case of blue flu 😷.
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    Post by Allthereis Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:45 pm

    El Chivo is a smart guy. He's impressive in plenty of ways. But he's crude and cruel to Dan Smith. Dan Smith is called a chicken but he is a human being. El Chivo calls himself a smelly goat but he is a human being.

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    Post by Cuan Scott Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:10 am

    Homo Nosce te Ipsum Smile

    Smelly isn't so mean he is nice..


    I trust all here are good and well


    BTW Liked your recent poems and prose Smelly


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    Post by dan Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:36 am

    1530z……..

    In being a monist, one traffics in issues surrounding the Identity of Indiscernibles (PII).  

    Who does the identifying, under what circumstances, and to what end?

    As a monist, I claim that there is only one thing.  

    That one thing could be the I Am, or cosmic consciousness.  

    But I am also a relationalist……. all existence is relative.  

    One cannot exist without another.  

    The I Am cannot exist without a you are.  

    The I Am cannot exist without an Abyss.  

    The Creator cannot exist without Creation.  

    I’m also an observationist……. any existence must include an observer……. self-awareness is an interpersonal phenomenon.  

    There cannot be a Yin without a Yang.  

    Thus is the best possible monism mitigated.  

    It takes two to tango.  
    ……..


    At one point, chick 🐣 was to participate in the review of a collection of papers.  

    That is not still the case.  

    This review, even in my absence, could provide further evidence for monism.  

    The sensitive documents will be filtered, and be passed on to foot who will pass them on, again.  

    It is more than likely that the documents of interest contain references to a known individual.  

    Such documents could lend considerable credence to the alleged series of meetings in ‘79-‘80 that I have previously referenced.  

    This, and similar types of evidence, lend credence to monism…… taking the IDH/UTH to be much more plausible than the ETH.  

    In other words, all existence is relative to the I Am.  

    This is the only coherent way to understand the world….. which is to say that it is the only way to understand the world.  

    All else is incoherent.  

    Will confirmation of any substantial part of the above disposition of said documents be able to tip the scales ⚖ towards coherence?  


    1700……..

    https://youtu.be/uoREKB5KUsw
    Hmmm 🤔………

    Sound familiar……..?  

    It sounds like the convergence of the 32 vectors…… the timelines are only slightly askew.  

    The information I was given made no reference to Looking Glass, but that reference makes more sense than what I was given…… simply mundane analyses.  

    A Project Looking Glass is often mentioned in association with the Stargate Project.
    ………..


    Nature or an objective world emerges relationally or interpersonally as a necessary background for any robust Metanarrative.  

    For there to be a robust Metanarrative, the world must appear to be perfectly objective……. all signs of its relational ontology must be confined to the paranormal, anomalous and to altered states.  

    For those who study the anomalous, the evidence is extremely diffuse.  

    The two pieces of evidence mentioned above would provide a much needed focus for the collection of additional data.  

    If you don’t know where to look or what you are looking for, the anomalous will lead you all over creation.  

    In order to connect the dots, you need to know where to start.  

    Here we have a rather tangible starting point.  

    If this starting point withstands scrutiny 🧐, it constitutes the beginning of the end of…… incoherence…… ie. the beginning of Disclosure.  

    When you realize where Rome is, you soon come to understand that all roads are leading there.  

    It’s ok to put all your eggs in one basket 🧺, as long as you watch the basket carefully.  In fact, ultimately, it’s the only way to go.  

    It’s called personalism.  

    It’s also called the Earth…… ie. the best possible world….. the best possible Metanarrative.  

    The only question now is to know where to direct this information.  

    Is there anyone in the public who might know how best to dispense this information?  

    The problem we have is that them that knows ain’t talking, and them that’s talking don’t know.  

    This buck is going to have to stop 🛑 somewhere, sometime, and sooner rather than later.  


    2010……..

    Over the years, foot has gone out of his way to tell all and sundry that I am crazy.  

    Why do I keep accepting his calls?  

    I occasionally get interesting tidbits of information, such as the above.  

    In compensation for telling me what is occasionally incendiary, he has to make sure that he has queered any potential confidantes.  

    Otherwise, this show would have been over long ago.

    Also, as an additional layer of protection, he maintains a reputation as a disinformer and trickster.  Information that he does occasionally dispense can be easily dismissed, if it gets into the wrong hands.  

    On top of all that, there is maintained a control over any mass media with regard to sensitive information.  

    The social media do not represent any significantly greater challenge.  

    If something does get out, it can be easily overwhelmed with distracting stories.  

    But, yes, foot has not been remiss in sharing information with those who have a need to know.  

    Many folks have a need to know the bare bones.  

    But rest assured that we are all working off of an agreed upon timeline.  

    This line is calibrated, not in absolute time, but with various marker events……. as the various scenarios gradually converge.



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    Post by GSB Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:04 am

    Dan: "When we go to the other side, a physicist might say that we are going off the mass shell. A mathematician would say that we are going off the real axis."

    A psychologist might say you are going "off the rails!"



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    Post by dan Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:06 am

    Thank you, Gary, for that bit of wisdom.  

    What I’m looking to see is if there are any intermediate states between a material body and an immaterial body.  

    Being an immaterialist, I don’t believe that the ‘material’ body is an independent object.  

    There are only differing degrees of inter-subjectivity.  

    In dreams we generally find ourselves to be embodied to various limited degrees.  

    A virtual particle cannot be observed, as such.  

    All unobserved particles are virtual/imaginary, depending on how long it has been since their last interaction/observation……. the shorter the elapsed time, the more uncertain will be their new state, which sounds counterintuitive.  

    What I am suggesting about bodies on the other side is contrary to what is the case for elementary particles…… the longer you stay on the other side, the more difficult it is to return to this ‘reality’.  

    But, by the same token, if we don’t get a refresher in dreamland 😴 every night, our lives here will soon deteriorate.  

    It’s sounding like both sides are pratītyasamutpāda…… codependent….. as if we didn’t already know or suspect that…… we being the coCreators, etc.  

    Our bodies and minds are, of course, entangled with each other, but have their own entanglements with the rest of the world, particularly with the One.

    Our bodies only have a very indirect entanglement, therewith.  

    In as much as our bodies might be ‘teleported’, there is a problem with the local conservation of mass.  

    Conservation laws involving portals would have to be taken as non-local.  

    There are numerous examples of portal type phenomena resulting in ‘physical’ interactions on this side.  ‘Angel’ events are just one such kind of interaction which may leave physical traces.  

    Of course, our going the other way presents additional issues.  

    Presumably, there are time constraints on either side.  

    Most transits are out of body, with only apparitions at the other location.  

    Disappearances are reported, however, as are bi-locations.  

    Physics puts great emphasis on conservation laws, which would be violated in some of these instances, but I’m not going to rule them out on that basis alone.  However, it would be very helpful for there to be a rationale, to avoid undue arbitrariness.  

    One likely rationale would be the Metanarrative imperative.  

    In the past, miracles played a major role in many cultures, but in the last several centuries, Science has done its best to suppress such stories.  

    The question before us is whether, in the context of the Endtimes, miracles will re-emerge.  It would certainly seem that such re-emergence would be a necessary component of Disclosure.  

    We are dealing with mind over matter, on a global scale.  

    Portals will be expediting our exodus.  This raises logistical questions as to the disposition of our bodies, for those of us who wish take advantage.  

    Portals are the most direct way to demonstrate that, with the Endtimes, we are simply not in Kansas anymore.  

    Such a demonstration will be essential, in my opinion, even if just to maintain a minimum of social cohesion.  

    The portals would provide quasi-tangible foci for the realignment of communities.  They would enhance the communal aspect of our mutual Destiny.  

    If ever we need to reinforce the interpersonal nature of our Being, this would be it.



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    Post by GSB Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:42 pm

    Dan: "What I’m looking to see is if there are any intermediate states between a material body and an immaterial body."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_body


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    Post by dan Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:31 am

    Gary,

    I believe that most folks would place such alternative bodies amongst the immaterial.

    Such bodies do not age and decay.  

    I was searching for a path by which our biological bodies might transform from the ‘physical’ to the metaphysical.  

    A continuous pathway would put less emphasis on the seeming miraculous.  

    However, within the animal kingdom, the boundary between the quick and the dead is a rather sharp one, excluding the comatose, perhaps.  

    The transformation for a person between the biological and the non-biological would seem equally discontinuous.  



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    Post by GSB Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:45 am

    We presuppose the co-existence of the astral body and the material body shell from which it emerges.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoskeleton


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    Post by dan Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:01 am

    1400z……..

    Come on, Gary,

    You’re talking to a non-dualist.  

    I believe that portals offer confirmation of our non-dual existence.  

    Dualists, including Platonists, suppose that there is an ontological dichotomy between matter and mind, between body and soul.  

    The BPWH is closer to the Neoplatonist theory of emanation.  

    In general, the portal facilitated Eschaton is a recapitulation of primordial/logical emanation of the world from the One.  

    More accurately, with pratītyasamutpāda in mind, it is a co-emanation.  

    Yes, we have something of an immaculate Creation.  

    I’m looking for a slightly more immaculate Eschaton than having rotting corpses piling up outside the portals……. to put the matter bluntly, Gary.  

    This question raises more than just aesthetic issues.  

    There is a whole cosmology at stake.  

    The logistics of the Exodus, or return to Source, is just the tip of the iceberg.  


    1710……….

    It might seem that the Logos has been so deeply implanted in the Earth that we will never be extirpated.  

    And, in the deepest ontological sense, we will not be.  

    It might be more accurate to ask if the Earth could be extirpated from us.  

    But, in the merely historical sense, we will be transplanted……. back to the One.  This transplantation is the crux of the Metanarrative.  

    As the Exodus traffic increases, it will become more entangled, interpersonally.  

    Metabolism, of a sort, will carry forward.  

    Will there be air to breathe, for instance?  

    Interpersonally, the air will be pulled along in the backwash of our entanglement.  

    The Earth will be stretched out behind us, so to speak.  

    Ultimately, aspects of Earth will be pulled back to the Source.  

    The Alpha and Omega will rejoin as aspects of the Logos/Monad.

    In some sense we will have pushed the reset on Creation.

    But there is no repetition here.  

    It is simply a recapitulation.  

    Phylogeny is recapitulating ontogeny……. or whatever.  

    We are talking deep into the Logos Atomos.  

    We will definitely be plumbing 🪠 the depths of the Abyss.  

    Will there be the Dark Night of the Soul?  

    On the way home to the Monad, there will be ample opportunity for Soul searching.  

    We will be spelunking halfway into the Abyss, and then we will be starting back.  

    This is no journey for day-trippers.  

    Before you go pearl diving, you may wish to take a deep breath 😮💨.  

    Then just follow your breath.  

    We will learn how to breathe the Aether…… to inhale the ambrosia of the gods.  

    Does this completely answer our questions about metabolism on the other side?  

    Such is our cosmic Communion……. our being one with the One.  
    ……….


    Keep in mind that, once on the other side, time becomes increasingly non-linear.

    Time goes from being historical or narrational to being being logical or ontological.

    In going far enough, one is participating in the Creation process.

    Can a person change history in this spelunking?

    Can one improve upon the best possible world?

    This is doubtful 🤨……. it certainly cannot be done with intent.



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    Imagine this……. foot accuses chick 🐣 of being a materialist!

    This is in reference to portal transitions.  

    It was when I suggested that there might not be that much difference between a portal excursion and an out of body experience……. he just laughed.  

    He said that going through a portal is like going through a door, except that you don’t come out the other side……. well, the other side is on the Other side.  

    He said that your body is ‘recreated’ on the other side.  

    That seems rather onerous.  

    I become skeptical at this point.  

    I try to ask more questions, but he mostly laughs them off.  

    He suggests that the woman professor 👩🏫 in the Tasseography group might be able to answer my questions…… the one from down south.  

    He is saying that I attended one such meeting, but I have no such recollection.  

    According to foot, then, we won’t have to worry about the corpses piling up around the portals.  

    I guess that’s a good thing…… I’d just like to have a conceptual handle on it.  

    Is he suggesting that when we return, we have to recreate our biological body from scratch?

    Excuse me…….. but really!  

    There must be some extenuating circumstances that I am not grasping……. of course, it could all be just a crock, but I don’t think so.  

    I return to the analogy of an elementary particle going off the ‘mass shell’.  
    ………


    It has been stated that you can’t bring devices through a portal.  

    What happens if you try?

    I suspect that the point is that you don’t even try.  

    I suspect that we have to think of portals holistically….. we can’t analyze them or the processes they are entangled with.  

    The notion of ‘recreating’ a body, on one side or the other, is being too analytical about it.  

    I doubt that we have to buy a new set of clothes on the other side, for instance.  This would be like trying to analyze the size of the fig leaves 🍃 in the Garden of Eden.  
    ………..


    I’m sorry, I’m unable accept the recreation of bodies.  

    As you cross these boundaries, you necessarily drag your own cocoon of entanglement with you, no matter in which direction.  

    The longer you spend on the other side, the more more you become disentangled from your previous circumstances, and the more you become entangled in the new.    

    The fact that everyone of us is a reincarnation of everyone else has to be figured into this process.  

    The longer we spend on some other side, the further we depart from whatever was our previous ‘mass shell’……. our previous reality.  

    What then is going on with altered states of consciousness?  

    What is the great distinction between in and out of body experiences?  

    In the first instance, we may not be able to suppose that the distinction is dichotomous……. there may be gradations.  

    Biological death, however, is almost always a binary phenomenon.  

    Dead bodies are not known for disappearing, despite an almost total lack of (social) entanglement.  

    On the other hand, it is a primary tenet of faith that the tomb of the jguy was vacated……. talk about missing bodies.  

    Bodily resurrection is a very big deal in some quarters…… empty pajamas, cars careening out of control, and all…… you have to see the postcard……. but no sooner does it get resurrected than it gets glorified……. why bother with the bones and ashes?  Again, I must be missing something.  Or maybe I missed that class in Sunday School.  
    ……….


    Perhaps the upshot is that I will have to revise my eschatology to put more emphasis on the transformation of the Earth…… the glorification of the Earth, if you will.



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    Post by dan Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:37 pm

    Glorification of the Earth……..?  

    Most environmentalists would say that all we can or should do is get rid of the humans.  

    I’m suggesting something more fundamental.  

    I’m suggesting a return to the regime of the ontogenic emergence of Nature, coeval with the emergence of persons.  

    This emergence was of a ‘mythic’ dimension, logically prior to the emergence of biology.  

    Call it the inter-dimensional emergence of Nature.

    Under the aegis of pratītyasamutpāda, Creation emerged internally to the I Am, and ‘contemporaneously’ with it.

    It would have been similar to a parturition and/or with cellular division.

    Persons would have come slightly ahead of Nature……. Nature being an interpersonal stage setting…… the best possible setting.



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    Post by dan Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:12 am

    If we wish to glorify the Earth, all we have to do is understand the magic of numbers.  

    Understanding the magic of numbers is understanding pantheism.  

    If we understand pantheism, we can then understand personalism.  

    Understand that the Greeks, for all their glory, missed the magic of the Earth.

    With Pythagoras, they should have known better.  

    Plato made the fatal mistake.  

    It has been taking us two millennia to get around Plato.  

    To see the magic, all you have to do is see the Riemann Hypothesis and the Mandelbrot set.  

    Well, and then you have to understand mathematical physics.  

    To understand mathematical physics, all you have understand is the magic of (-1)^1/2……. the imaginary unit ‘i’.  

    Even Pythagoras would never have believed it.  

    Plato made the best possible egregious mistake.  

    If you want to understand synchronicity, you have only to understand why all the Riemann zeros are on a single line in the imaginary plane.  

    Then Darwin made the worst egregious mistake that has ever been made…… bless his heart ♥……. someone had to do it.  

    He ordained humanity’s dark night of the soul.  

    The Riemann Hypothesis is how we get all our ducks 🦆 in a row.  
    ……….


    I’ve been exploring fractal zeta functions, to see if they can provide any insights.




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    Fractal zeta functions are trying to say something……. I’m just not quite sure what.  

    What is the Riemann zeta trying to tell us with its alignment of zeros?  

    It must mean something.  

    How can we prove it, if we have no idea what it means.  

    The primes try to be as evenly spaced as they can be without giving up the pretense of really being random.

    What does number theory have to do with the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?

    And what does complex analysis have to do with the Anthropic Principle?



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    dan wrote:Fractal zeta functions are trying to say something……. I’m just not quite sure what.  

    What is the Riemann zeta trying to tell us with its alignment of zeros?  

    It must mean something.  

    How can we prove it, if we have no idea what it means.  

    The primes try to be as evenly spaced as they can be without giving up the pretense of really being random.  

    What does number theory have to do with the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?  

    And what does complex analysis have to do with the Anthropic Principle?  



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    Post by dan Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:27 pm

    Please excuse my impromptu sabbatical……. I got into the Riemann zeta, and then got distracted with large numbers, the first of which was Skewes number.  

    The Skewes was the biggest number in its day (1933), but now it seems positively tiny…… 10^10^10^34.  

    Now we speak of TREE🌲(3), which I’ll call the smallest inconceivable number.  

    Inconceivable number……..?  

    Suppose you could place one digit of TREE🌲(3) in every Planck volume of the ‘universe’……. and you would barely be making a dent in TREE(3).  

    And the ‘universe’ would have collapsed long before you could have written even its last few digits.  

    That’s a big number, chick 🐣 would say.  

    And, of course, we’re only talking about a finite number.  

    When you get into the transfinites, it’s a whole new ballgame 🏈.

    If you want to see a current development, check out…… https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/33/13238.full.pdf … Model theory and the cardinal numbers p and t

    So what did chick 🐣 learn from his sabbatical?  

    I learned that we like to exercise our imaginations.  

    Does this make us closer to God?  

    All we have to do is put our imaginations together……. and we’re one with the One ☝…… all 10^10 of us.  

    Golly, I never realized how few there are of us.  

    Does any of this bring us any closer to Disclosure?  

    Well, I get to tutor the cheetah 🐆 lady in mathematics…… that’s not nothing.  

    Taming the Eschaton is clearly the biggest challenge ahead of us.  

    I read an article……. Green Dream…… suggesting that the reality of fusion energy may not just be receding endlessly beyond the horizon.  

    Are we in a race between taming Fusion and taming the Eschaton?

    Is fusion energy going to allow us to keep kicking the Disclosure can down the road?

    chick 🐣 wouldn’t complain.  

    Let’s not the crash the Pearly Gates.  

    The glory train will not be leaving the station 🚉 without us.  



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    Post by dan Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:19 am

    Fusion energy does not figure into foot’s vision of the future.  

    He still speaks a near term quasi ELE.  

    And this would not necessarily be a spontaneous ELE.  

    What about Disclosure?  

    Well, assuming that he runs again, donny might introduce the topic at some critical point in his campaign.  

    I failed to inquire whether donny had any opinions on the ELE or Eschaton.  

    NB, that chick 🐣 sees the Eschaton as preemptive of an otherwise inevitable ELE.  

    And what is the difference, pray 🙏 tell?  

    In some superficial respects, there would not be much difference.  

    The best possible Eschaton entails a massive voluntary exodus, via portals, back to the Monad….. personal Source…… with a minimum of tribulation.  

    The ELE is synonymous with a maximal Tribulation…… a plague on all our houses.  

    Granted that folks are not likely to want to exit the Earth without, at the least, some mildly negative inducement…… this is the minimal tribulation, such as a credit meltdown.  

    Heaven would not have to be too shiny to induce folks to wish to leave a socially collapsing Earth behind.  

    Robert K is working on a history of the Aviary, with assistance from foot.  

    At one point, Chevre man was planning to have a philosophy plank in his platform, possibly with input from the chick 🐣.  

    I’m unable to see the BPWH as a political football.  

    I’m equally perplexed about donny’s use of Disclosure as an election gimmick.  

    I suspect that someone’s hand will have to be forced.  

    How that force might emerge, I’m at a loss.  

    My best guess is that it would involve a quasi permanent portal phenomenon…… qPPP.  

    An initial, isolated such phenomenon would require a considerable sustained effort.  

    That Chevre man has been able to demonstrate anything of that nature is disputable, certainly by Robert K.  

    foot proposes the theory that emptying of the mental health facilities provided a major stimulus to the ufo community, back in that Sixties.  

    There has been a migration of the lunatics from the asylums to the Internet.  

    This might actually be true, if one understands that ‘mental health’ is increasingly difficult to define in our postmodern world.  
    ………..


    The other possibility for Disclosure arose recently in connection with the the papers of a recently deceased Senator.  

    These papers have not been mentioned, since.  

    If there are other such archival materials referring to the so-called Core story, they would not amount to anything, if taken individually.  

    foot is the only person known to be collecting them, and his agenda is alleged to be to remove them from possible circulation.  

    It’s not clear who, if anyone, would have the authority to ever release these materials.  

    Whatever authority there might be would have to be…… inter-dimensional.

    The same consideration applies to the opening of a portal.  

    I occasionally raise the possibility of the collapse of scientific materialism.  

    Scientific materialism is certainly much weaker than at its high-water mark (~1950), but it has been only a gradual erosion since then.  Anything more noteworthy would, again, require some sort of qPPP.  

    Coming from the other direction, we have the ontological status of persons…….

    This ‘philosophical’ question could conceivably become a political issue.  

    It certainly is a religious issue……. but the religions are to busy fighting each other to be able to stake out any concerted position vis à vis modernism, on this issue.  

    I don’t know of any individual who is personally taking on the issue of personalism……. besides, perhaps, the occasional Pope.  

    There are not even any living philosophers who have managed bring this question to the surface.  

    Maybe this is the exception that proves the rule……. Personalism: The Philosophy We Need…… https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/opinion/personalism-philosophy-collectivism-fragmentation.html  This is the opinion piece of David Brooks…….
    Back in 1968, Karol Wojtyla wrote, “The evil of our times consists in the first place in a kind of degradation, indeed in a pulverization, of the fundamental uniqueness of each human person.” That’s still true.

    …….. but the movement is still something of a philosophic nub. It’s not exactly famous.

    The big point is that today’s social fragmentation didn’t spring from shallow roots. It sprang from worldviews that amputated people from their own depths and divided them into simplistic, flattened identities. That has to change.

    If you just google personalism, this is almost the first item to come up.  

    Did anyone suggest that this should warrant the stopping 🛑 of the presses?  

    The world just kept on turning.  

    Personalism is the only philosophy that can fill the gap being left by the demise of scientific materialism.  

    How long will it take us to understand that personalism is our only safety net as other systems begin to collapse?

    Yes, personalism comes with a great deal of historical baggage.  

    I am certainly doing nothing to lighten that load.  

    Chicken Little 🐣 is only adding to it……. yes, with the Disclosure of personalism, the sky is going to fall.  

    This simple historical fact that all of us can ultimately sense is, indeed, the only thing that is holding up the sky 🌌.  

    The Truth simply bides its time…… john xvi.  

    The dimensional barriers are nothing to us, interpersonally.

    Those barriers will collapse in due time.  

    We don’t even have to game the system.  

    Trust the chick 🐣 when he tells you that the system has been gamed…… from the git go.  



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    The Sarfatti list has been active recently……

    Two new members are Charles Upton and John Warner.  

    Upton is a long time Sufi and a sometimes eschatologist.  He is in the tradition of Owen Barfield.
    ……….


    My foray into mathematics left me with the impression that mathematics is making more progress than physics, of late.  

    They are both delving into infinities. Physics is stuck with strings.

    The strings are a phenomenological dead end.

    All the low hanging fruit 🍎 has been picked bare.

    Mathematics, however, only gets more entangled.

    The end is not in sight.



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    Post by dan Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:52 am

    It was mentioned, just in passing, by way of Disclosure, that donny was keeping that option open, leading up to the midterms.  

    Also there might be a meeting with John, subsequent to his archive being filtered.  

    Charles U might also participate in a phil group.

    I’m reviewing three of Charle’s books that touch on eschatology.

    His ‘System of Antichrist’ is his most……. systematic.
    ……….


    The NYT has just posted a posted a 40’ video synopsis of the Jan 6 insurrection……. https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html




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    My first and last day on the job responding to this screw loose chicken.
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    Post by dan Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:03 pm

    This is yet another imposter poster.  

    Poor imposters.  

    The first set of imposters were from Utah, and mainly Mormons, I believe.

    Ron used them all up.  

    With this next set, he is going to have to turn to professionals in his own organization…… that is my understanding.  

    We’ll see how long they last……. here on the front line of Disclosure.  

    In the meantime, ronny continues to stand firm with donny.  

    The NYT video posted above indicates that donny is not going to get any more free rides.  

    As his dwindling base becomes further radicalized, any remaining moderates are going to be heading to the hills.  

    Already, donny is throwing in the towel by telling his die-hard supports to start boycotting the elections.  

    If donny had any political acumen, he would have kept his powder dry, after his defeat in November.  

    Instead, he went off half cocked.  

    He started p*ssing in his own soup.  

    It’s just a question of for how long donny can continue to intimidate the Republican Party.  

    donny should have waited for the Republican state legislatures to gradually erode votive rights.  

    But he was impatient…… he jumped the gun.  

    One wonders if donny is not a double agent……. sent to sabotage the radical right in this country.  

    He is doing a bang up job.  

    donny has no competent Lieutenants.  

    I’m watching closely what happens to Steve Bannon.  

    Bannon is the closest one he had to being competent.  

    I don’t think Steve can come out of this without being severely wounded.  

    Then, who will he have?  

    There is no one else who has not been fatally compromised.  

    But, no, the never Trumpers…… we cannot rest on our laurels.  

    If the trumpies can somehow regroup, then we will be entering the next phase of Disclosure.  

    Or donny may elect to play his trump card……. unilateral, preemptive Disclosure……. foot might even tempt him into it.  

    That would be interesting 🧐.  
    ………


    In the meantime, I’d better get back to Charlie Upton……. seeing if he has any surprises…….
    …………


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-republicans.html ………
    “This should be a 100 percent, straight-up referendum on Biden,” Mr. Jolly said. “Instead, you have Trump the narcissist trying to inject himself into what should be a glide path for Republicans to an incredibly successful election, by making it all about him.”

    Come next October, donny may be looking for a hail-mary Surprise……

    He might be tempted……. Hail, Mary……..!  



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    I’m going to have to check it out, but I’m beginning to suspect that Charlie’s main problem is that he has no clue about the crucial difference between the trans-human and the trans-personal.

    Oh dear, there’s no competition…… he is a non-starter.

    This is precisely where the rest of the prophetic tradition falls off the glory train 🚂.

    Too many xians have missed this boat 🛶 as well.

    They don’t quite get that born-again thing.  

    Or, if they do, they’re not quite able to integrate it.  

    Being born again becomes a thing in itself, and they fall off the bread-crumb trail…… they lose perspective on the Eschaton.  

    You can lead an intellectual to water, but you can’t make them drink.  

    If you’ve been born into it, it’s not easy to reprise that road to Damascus moment.

    johnny ‘sixpence’ might be one thing in bible study…… it’s quite another thing when it just falls on your poor little noggin 🐣.  

    The scales have not yet fallen from Charlie’s eyes.

    The Eschaton remains an abstraction.

    He hasn’t taken it personally.



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    Just an old Chicken who can barely read the NYT: https://www.infowars.com/posts/william-shatner-says-world-needs-to-prepare-for-the-coming-catastrophic-event/

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