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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Popcorn in hand…can’t wait to see this

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:33 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:With head deep in the dirt, he sees nothing of what is demonstrated. Without proper education, he understands nothing of what is demonstrated. To comprehend that which is demonstrated, he must see, and possess adequate education and intelligence. To the chickens, it is incomprehensible, unintelligible, and not demonstrable, for the chickens refuse to lift their head from the dirt, watch, and learn.

    Without unlearning what you know, you are lost.

    Enjoy the darkness.

    Yes, pay attention to what is being demonstrated.

    The inner face emerges through the outer face.

    “When men see Han-shan
    They all say he’s crazy
    And not much to look at—
    Dressed in rags and hides.
    They don’t get what I say
    & I don’t talk their language.
    All I can say to those I meet:

    Try and make it to Cold Mountain.”

    Good 🍀

    I’m sure you all have no idea what I don’t mean.

    You who think you are so learned.

    I know you are NOT!

    Pretenders.

    Embrace the fool and get naked and there may be hope for joy for you.

    I’d love you to live in joy.

    But I can’t give it to anyone.

    And I can’t make anyone choose it.

    Remember who and what you are.

    Remember.

    It isn’t in a spinning top Wink

    Good lord.

    What are we going to do with all these muppets?


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    Post by dan Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:12 pm

    https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/86s6LIc7cveW

    This is most recent video from Joe Firmage.  

    It presents two contrasting future scenarios……..

    One is apocalyptic, and the other is a combination of Disney and Star Trek.  

    The future with continued technological progress is based on his reinterpretation of special relativity combined with a new theory of rotational motion.

    The language with which he has elsewhere presented his ideas is sufficiently vague to preclude testing.  

    There is no mention of any prototypes to demonstrate the new technology.  

    There have only been rumors of such, which Joe denies.  

    foot#3 does not appear to be adding anything intelligible about Joe’s presentations.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:02 pm

    “We are but a mirror 🪞
    Polished
    Made to remember
    To yearn for our beloved
    In the dark night of the soul
    In the realm of trials
    And responsibility
    The beauty of our beloved
    Becomes a veil
    And man learns to love I love you
    Through the pain of separation
    A love that angels can not comprehend
    And the Jinn can only envy”
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:45 am

    0740z………

    Chivo,

    Please, let me take on this new antagonist, Foot#3, on my own.  

    I would prefer for you not to be complicating the issues, until we can obtain a better understanding of where Foot#3 is coming from, and for whom he is working, etc……

    I have no idea, at this point, if this new person, we’ll arbitrarily call him Foot#3, for now, is capable of  cooperating in any pursuit of Truth.

    Or if he merely wishes to be purely antagonistic, thinking that this is somehow being helpful to Ron.  

    And, frankly, after 30 years of frequent communications and meetings with Ron, I can only profess a vague understanding of his motivations and intentions.  

    For whom is Ron working…..?

    For approximately  the last five years, Ron claims to have been working for Donald Trump.

    In his continuing loyalty to the former President, Ron is being disloyal to the Constitution of the United States, and possibly should be prosecuted as being a traitor.  

    I say all this with only a sketchy knowledge of the actual Truth of the situation.  

    As for myself, I place fealty to the Truth above loyalty to the Country.  

    And if you were to ask me…… what is the Truth, I would have to say that it is akin to Agape.  

    I take Agape to be the core of the message of Jesus, as with no other historical figure.  

    What does all this have to do with any claims or counter claims as to the functioning of Joe’s device?  

    In my best estimation……. precious little.  

    I have to consider Joe’s device to be little more than a major distraction on the path to Disclosure.

    I consider Joe Firmage and his message to be a major distraction on the path to the Disclosure of the Truth.

    However, let us not be led down any path of recriminations concerning Joe Firmage.  

    It will only lead us further from the Truth.  

    Being able to put the Joe Firmage episode into perspective may, however, help us to better understand the path to the Truth.  

    But, right now, it is 4:45 in the morning in Cooperstown, NY, and we have a 6 hour drive ahead of us, to get back to Baltimore.  

    But allow me to say that, at best, Joe Firmage has a very distorted understanding of Jesus and Agape.

    As for Ron’s understanding of these matters, the jury is still out.  


    1040……….

    At the very least, we should treat it as a serious fire 🔥 drill.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:58 am

    These are muppet matters and do not concern the management.

    No one truly knows the views or state of mind of another.

    It is too easy to put up a front.

    It is easier to lie than tell the truth.

    This is why the truth is so precious.

    I hope you are successful in uncovering the hard to find truth.

    I am just an old harmless man passing through with a goat muttering ancient poems.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:00 am

    1100z…….

    Chivo,

    Muppet matters……..?  

    Do muppet lives matter?  

    I say that they do.  

    Are you suggesting otherwise?  


    1220……..

    Individual lives should not be of ultimate concern.

    Agape is ultimate concern.

    Billions of lives have been sacrificed to Agape.

    A principal question facing us is how many more lives will have to be sacrificed.

    As a matter of principle, I seek to minimize that number, other things being equal.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:23 am

    Do muppet lives matter?

    Hmmm

    To muppets.

    This is always happening and you have everything yuh need to live.

    You are provided for.

    Didn’t you want to depopulate the earth?

    They don’t seem to matter much to you.

    They are just part of an eschatological equation.

    As a person I say, it all matters or nothing does.

    I live like it matters.

    I smile like I mean it.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:33 am

    Do I want to depopulate the Earth?  

    Yes and no.

    Let’s start from first principles…….

    Our first principle is Agape.  

    How many of us have died in the name of Agape?  

    Every last one of us has been dying in the name of Agape.  

    What does Agape have to say about population?  

    Aside from Agape, we have Jeremy Bentham……
    Bentham defined as the "fundamental axiom" of his philosophy the principle that "it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong."
    Bentham is the patron saint of Utilitarians.

    Clearly, Bentham was pretty stupid.

    It is equally clear that Joe Firmage is a Benthamite, along with every other modernist/humanist.

    And they are all being stupid.



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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:50 am

    Joseph Firmage is the one true door man. His door is enabled. All he has to do is open the door. When he does, people see the truth. But you have to lift your head from the dirt and open your eyes. The Chicken needs to step forward to the door.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:33 am

    1430z…….

    Foot#3,

    Ron and I have a bet as to how long it will take to put you down…… to force you to turn tail and run.  

    Actually, we didn’t bet, we agreed that we could put you down in a very few days, at most.  

    Evidently, there are only two Disclosure teams left, at this point.  

    It looks like you picked the wrong 😑 team.

    Do you really want to hitch your wagon to Joe’s ill-conceived efforts.  

    We’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have no clue 🕵️‍ as to what you have gotten yourself into.  

    You are just a poor nother moth drawn to the flame 🔥 of Truth.  

    Well, I agree that it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved 🥰 at all.  

    I’ll give you an example……

    In my last conversation with the Princess, we discussed Deborah, my older sister……..

    Wait…….. Stop ✋ the presses…….

    I just got a news 📰 flash ⚡ from Ron……

    Foot#3 is just a poor little high school student…… being thrown into the maw of the fiery 🔥 furnace.  

    What’s the expression…… team B is having to reach far down into their lineup to find anyone to volunteer for the fiery 🔥 furnace.  

    And, here I was thinking 🤔 it might be Kamala Harris whom I was going against, speaking of prominent Benthamites.  

    Ron gave me several quotable quotes, some of which I was not given permission to blog, but I’ve already forgotten which were which, so I’d better proceed with caution ⚠……

    A not so little bird 🦅 tweeted some sweet nothings into my ear 👂……

    Even Joe F has no clue as to what he has got himself into…….

    And why not?  

    He has let his not so little ego get the better of his ability think rationally.  

    It has never occurred to poor little Joe that he has allowed himself to be used…… big time.  

    In this little game of ours, we all better be very careful as to what we’re wishing for.  


    1200…….

    Let’s get back to my last conversation with the Princess…



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am

    We are spinning on a rock around a fireball.

    Talk about being thrown into the maw of the fiery 🔥 furnace.

    And we have muppets pretending.

    Just another day on our spinning rock.

    Tilted just the right way, spinning at just the right speed.

    I’m not worried about smelly 🦶
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:36 am

    1640z……..

    Chivo can be our exhibit A for how to play with fire 🔥.  

    Exhibit B can be Deborah.  

    When she was about 8 years old, she encountered a blue Angel 👼 in a copse of trees 🌲 behind the house.

    But let’s start back at the beginning of the conversation……
    Have you met an jochis?

    I presume you to the else son of the Genghis Kahn.  

    If I did, I was not introduced.  

    However, my sister, Louise was in a history class with his great.... grandson at Harvard.  

    ..... are referring to the eldest son......

    Did you meet him?

    Her classmate would have been the Aga Khan.

    Once again, I regret to not have been introduced.  

    Jochis means Visitor

    Genghis Khan knew his son was a visitor

    And it's too bad you didn't meet his great great great grandson! You might have learned much sooner

    But you have met his great great great great great granddaughter

    I presume that I have met more than one visitor.  
    .......

    I was just about to ask, Princess 👸.  

    Yes

    Does this mean that you are prepared for Disclosure?

    I was born prepared!


    Well, of course.  

    You have been so hesitant 😬.  

    You have been pretending all the time....... to not be prepared.  

    Chèvre man is only one in the way.  

    Are you going to let Chèvre man stop 🛑 you??

    He's not stopping me

    Is anyone or anything in the way?

    Are you not the last Katechon, Princess 👸??

    The only

    Well, then, it looks like I came to the right place.  

    Yes?  

    And you have already given the green light.

    So you are the sister of the Aga Khan.  

    What else do I need to know, Princess 👸??  

    I got give blue lights

    Debbie is my feet 👣.  

    You are my wings.  

    Blue lights??  

    My sister, Deborah, saw a blue Angel 😇 when she was ~8 years old.  

    She saw me

    And we were about to have dinner at the Blue Mingo Grill, but they were too busy.

    Did you see her?  

    Yes, I did

    What was communicated?

    If I might ask

    I don't want to be nosy 🧐 or anything

    It was between us.

    She had a request

    Princess, then tell me something I have a need to know, please.  

    She passed

    Was that what she requested?  

    Yed
    Yes

    And I had agreed

    Had agreed, or did agree?

    Had when she was 8

    Why did she request a particular passing at the age of eight?  

    Was that unusual?  

    No, she was wise beyond her age. She knew what she wanted.

    What was she afraid 😱 of?

    I can't share that, private information.

    Interesting 🧐

    Is she ok, now?

    Yes!

    She passed!

    She was never happy in life.  

    Was she also a sacrifice?  

    Well she made a request that cost her happiness

    Because when she asked for it she thought it would make her happy

    Along with with Louise and and Mother?  

    I don't know about dad.  

    Wait....... you failed to warn her??

    Brb

    Being happy can be an acquired taste.  

    Would you agree, Princess?  

    Did Deborah acquire this taste, retroactively?  

    Do you ever remember being unhappy?  

    Unhappiness is important

    Without it you won't know happiness.

    All that matters is Deborah and crew are all happy now.

    Why, pray tell?

    Tell what

    I just told you

    Why are they happy 😃?  

    Did someone tell them that this is the best possible world 🌎?  

    Who told them?  

    Don't you get tired 🥱 of being asked these questions?  

    Of course, not.

    When people ask questions that means they are actually thinking.

    Otherwise, they are asleep.

    Ok ✅.  

    So, I would like to know the answers.  

    Or should I be able to answer them, myself?  

    Try answering them?

    They were overjoyed to find out that their little boopie was Jesus.  

    Always about you?

    Have you heard of humility?

    Princess, I can also be ironic.  

    Do you know irony ?  
    There was no further response.  


    1820…….

    In other words, sports fans, if you wish to continue playing these games, consider yourselves as having been warned…… just be careful, playing with fire 🔥…….

    You have to be careful as to who you hang with…….

    You may always be just on the verge of tmi…… and, when I say tmi, I do mean tmi.  

    There is some toothpaste that can’t be put back in the tube.


    2000………

    We might be wondering about the connection between the Katechon and the Antichrist.

    The Katechon is the Restrainer.

    Restraining what?

    Maybe we’d better Google that.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:10 pm

    I was a firebug 🔥 as a kid.

    Always liked playing with matches.

    Now I like the slow burn and warm glow of a nice fire.

    No need to burn yourself up.

    But I am having crazy contacts with these forces in my unconscious.

    I don’t think I can put that genie back in the bottle.

    But smelly 🐐 helps me stay on course when leaping from rock to rock on cold mountain.

    I’m seeing scenes in my mind never before seen in normal life.

    A crazy geometric world with forces beyond my imagination.

    Sounds fun, huh?

    Kinda scary actually.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:21 pm

    Paolo Virno has a long discussion of the katechon in his book Multitude: Between Innovation and Negation.[6] He refers to Schmitt's discussion. Virno says that Schmitt views the katechon as something that impedes the coming of the Antichrist, but because the coming of the Antichrist is a condition for the redemption promised by the Messiah, the katechon also impedes the redemption.

    Ok, so be it.

    Here I was supposing that Joe F might be the Katechon.  

    But it looks like chick 🐣 was wrong….. again!

    When will the chick 🐣 stop 🛑 being wrong 😑?

    As soon as the Katechon is identified, it loses its grip on history.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:29 pm

    Not to belabor the point, but I don’t go in for all that scripted reality talk.

    That’s a weird convo Dan above.

    So matter of fact about things most can’t see.

    I disagree about thinking.

    Thinking is a tension.

    Desire is a tension.

    But you don’t enjoy the wind down unless you have been wound up.

    Agree there.

    But that blue is also a recurring thing in my inner visions.

    Blue flame.

    Blue glowing rocks.

    Blue and red blood.

    Who can say what all of it means.

    It happens.

    But happiness is real, the joyful kind and it cancels everything else out.

    It comes after crossing the abyss metaphorically and spiritually.

    Then you are looking back or down and people can’t understand you anymore.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:40 pm

    Well, Chivo,

    I guess we’ll just have to see if we can do something about that.

    It does seem like we’ve all gotten our knickers bunched in a knot 🪢.

    Let’s just hope that it won’t take an aeon to untangle our knot 🪢 of fear.

    There are two folks connected with chèvre that foot suggested I call…… tv and eh.  

    I have placed my calls.

    Poor little Joe, never stopped to think through the possibilities.

    Oh, dear, it can happen to the best of us……. we fall behind in our homework 📚.



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    Post by GSB Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:16 pm

    A parable, for Dan:



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:37 pm

    Dan has a 🦶 fetish doesn’t he?!

    I wonder if he is into tickling too Wink
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    Post by hobbit Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:31 am

    FatThorDude wrote:We are spinning on a rock around a fireball.

    Talk about being thrown into the maw of the fiery 🔥 furnace.

    And we have muppets pretending.

    Just another day on our spinning rock.

    Tilted just the right way, spinning at just the right speed.

    I’m not worried about smelly 🦶


    The planet is not "spinning", and it is not "going around a fireball"

    All of that is an illusion of our limited senses, no matter how magnified or measured.

    All is one, a super packed stuff called universe.

    The packing has multiple faces that create the dimensions, thus all dimensions are present in everything, but each dimension is unaware of all the others, what travels between them all is consciousness which is magnetic and forms local fields of concentrated consciousness , variant orientations of such are attracted to become whatever in 3D.

    The stars are net emitting this and the planets are net collectors.

    There will be a continuous reversal of and transfer where the planets become stars and the stars become planets.

    The only thing so called moving is consciousness and all fields of this react to all other fields to displace the 3D concentrations in the super packed universal stuff, this gives the illusion to anything in 3D of been separate.....all is one with every point in direct contact with every other.

    Contact between points is via consciousness , not via any 3D concentration , 3D can only see 3D.

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    Post by dan Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:19 am

    This article……. https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/new-hypothesis-argues-the-universe-simulates-itself-into-existence  almost gets to the obvious Truth, but then it veers away, back into a conventional big world…… even including Darwinism, it seems.  

    I have not read the original article.
    ………

    Poor hobbit, he is unable to transcend his hydro-mechanical models.

    What if there were a thousand dimensional universe, but no one was there to observe it?  

    As John Wheeler said…… the only real phenomenon is an observable phenomenon.  

    If you have no clue as to where the observer comes from, then you have no clue.  

    Folks like hobbit can always fall back on the night sky……..

    All those worlds exist out there, in the vast distances of space, and there may or may not be anyone there to observe them.

    And where was the Earth before there was life…… etc…….

    We, immaterialists, may have difficulty explaining the cutoff between the observable and unobservable.  

    There is no cutoff, but there is gravity to keep us, more or less, self-contained.

    If there were no night sky, what would be the phenomenal horizon?  

    What would our ceiling be?  

    In the dream state, we don’t worry about ceilings.  If we did, we’d wake up.  

    Only in our consensual state do we start worrying about horizons and such.  

    In our consensual state, if we have our head in the clouds, we tumble into the ditch.  We have to worry about city hall.  


    2010……..

    The above magazine article is based on the following more technical journal article…… The Self-Simulation Hypothesis Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics …… https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247/htm , which is itself worth reading.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:56 am

    There is no such force called gravity.

    It is You Dan that is deluded and stuck in indoctrinated false belief.

    Your EGO is constantly belittling Myself, which demonstrates Your arrogance.

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    Post by jofo Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:49 pm

    "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions."
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    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
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    both apply equally most of the time...carry on

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:23 pm

    Hobbit, for myself, things are as they appear.

    I do not imagine a world to come.

    I’m here.

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    Post by dan Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:45 pm

    hobbit,

    Neither of us believe in gravity as having a fundamental/independent existence.  

    Both of believe that gravity has a secondary or derivative existence.  

    I am suggesting that physics derives from metaphysics, ie. matter derives from mind.  

    When I press you on this topic, you seem to agree that everything derives from some sort of cosmic consciousness.  

    But you go on to interpose your ideas concerning intermediary fluid flows, and crystalline structures, etc.  

    In the meantime, you become absorbed in these fluid crystals, and forget about where they may be coming from……. you leave the cosmic consciousness behind in the dust.  

    In other words you’re asking the how questions, and I’m asking the why questions.  

    I’m suggesting that we need to understand the why of gravity before we can understand the how.  

    And I go on to suggest that gravity exists in order to contain our geocentric consciousness.  

    Gravity becomes an essential part of our dreamscape for the purpose of containing that dream.

    We could have invented a box, and placed ourselves in it, like in a prison cell.

    However, I think that we can all agree that a starry sky is much more conducive to our human imagination than are iron bars.

    Yes, I’m glad that you are using your imagination to reimagine the world.

    That is what engineers have been doing for centuries.  

    But we seem to be coming to the end of our physical tethers.  

    If we wish to progress we will need to consider our metaphysical situation.  

    Your problem is that you are treating consciousness as if it were another physical entity.  

    All consciousness is ultimately personal.  

    If we wish to get a handle on it, our primary tool will be introspection.  

    Introspection is to treat the why questions as primary.  

    Once we understand why, we have only to know that where there is a will, there is also a way…….. but the motivation must come first.  

    What we have mastered is how to reproduce ourselves and our material stuff.

    But the question, sooner or later, becomes….. what are we going to do with ourselves and our stuff.

    Why are we here, in the first place.

    Capitalism and socialism certainly do not have the answers.

    Our spiritual traditions claim to have such answers, but the answers are not to be found down here.

    Actually, the materialists and spiritualists agree that the answers are going to be found either extraterrestrially or transcendentally.

    There are physical limits to physical growth in any given physical location.

    We can all agree on that, too.



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