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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by dan Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:15 pm

    The reference here is to Cheeseman’s project.  I may be able to provide interlocution...... albeit, in a non-disclosure modality.

    Kins of the Earth are may Bop.

    Does this rhyme with Hale-Bopp....... thinking of Bo and Peep?
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:32 am

    1130z........

    Ok, sports 🏀 fans 💗,

    The time of the chick 🐥 has come around, at last.  

    chick is being handed the enchilada, and, admittedly, there’s not a whole lot left, but I’d rather start at the bottom.  

    All that’s left is the Joe shop, while the family house is in the process of being torn down.

    But, little that it was, that was the center for global ufology...... there was never actually anything to compare, anywhere in the world.  

    We’re talking, of course, about the visible world, and not about the world of black ops and black budgets....... although, there was more than a trivial overlap of that world with Joe’s world..... mostly via the foot, of course.

    As a for instance, Joe’s excursion to Brazil 🇧🇷 was via 3’s pod, which, I understand, is based out of S1.  

    My purchase on Joe’s shop is via Kevin, I’ll be putting Kev up in a cheap motel in Salt Lake, on a nightly basis...... while we try to work out Joe’s transfer back East...... maybe to a Hopkins residency for instance....... in patient.  

    The biggest problem right now is figuring out what to say to the folks at Hopkins.  

    Basically, how do we explain Joe’s ‘transit’ fatigue?  They’ll probably have a need to know something.  


    1420.......

    Gosh, I’ve never done a takeover, before, and I imagine this could be characterized even as a hostile takeover.  

    Am I supposed to come in with guns blazing..... or what?  

    Joe may never have to know that I even exist...... better that way.  

    The LDS church has anomalous prehistoric artifacts.  Kev is currently working up a documentary proposal, in that regard....... while Joe’s house was being torn down around him.  We call that bouncing back.

    It’s not always easy.  I guess I’ve had it much too easy.  

    Joe, with or without tangible assets, remains a person of interest.  After all, this is supposed to be about immaterialism..... personalism.  

    I guess donny has the other side pretty well covered.  

    As far as I can ascertain, only foot, kev and me are even aware of the Brazil....... or any other such caper, and I certainly have no proof.  

    For instance, none of the investors are known to be aware.

    This is my only interest, of course, so there hardly seems to be anything to ‘take over’.  There’s the rub.  We’ll just have to see what Kevin says, if he even responds.  

    It was reported that Joe was mainly just embarrassed by the fact that he ended up in some farmer’s field.  


    1520..........

    The only question that was asked of me at the police station was what was the means of Joe’s conveyance.  

    If he had actually borrowed the Princess’ pod, what happened to it?

    You recall that, in the UB incident, the pod was very much present, and was also used for the departure.  


    1830........

    The implication is that a ‘pod’ might also be used as a stargate or as one side of, or simply as an entrance to, a portal...... you know, like Clark Kent’s telephone booth.  



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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:31 pm

    More to come, most will stay dumb, but one will eat the finest plumb.
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    Post by painterdoug Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:38 pm

    I LIKE PLUMBS
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:33 pm

    I like 🥪s

    You find the best ones at the cafe at the bottom of your soul.

    In The Hole 🕳

    Mmm mmm good.

    You are all so wonderfully distracted.

    Perfect for some sleight of hand.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:53 pm

    Plumb is lead=pb.
    Plum is a fruit.
    Lead is dense.
    Lead is a conductor of electricity.
    I use a plumb bob to determine depth of water when fishing.
    A plumb line will reveal vertical relative to location.

    Be careful with bee's, they make the difference.
    What did Einstein say about bee's?
    To be or not to be, that is the question.
    Bee's take a bee line to the hive.
    I follow those lines, clever bee's that see in infra red.


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    Post by dan Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:49 am

    1150z........

    Well, ok.......

    Through joe, vicariously, even, the telos hoves into view........ for the chick 🐥.  

    One sees where and how folks can begin to come around.  If that’s a plum..... I’ll take a little bit more of that.

    True, it is about seeing the uv/ir...... it can be subtle.  

    joe wants to be  the first professor in a straight jacket.  That would be high couture.  

    We see that entanglement is all about vicariousness.  The jguy got that right....... and that’s the only thing you ever need to get right.  

    That is the telos, and it is hoving...... hovering.  

    Understand that, on a clear day, we can see wuhan from here, and how it’s a not insignificant part of this portal...... yes, to end all portals.  

    One might even see it in eastern Oklahoma...... now that the entanglement can get a little bit disentangled...... in light of the telos.  After the PoNR, one can’t quite turn back...... ask joe.  

    The telos is the ponr, is the event horizon, understand..... a leap of faith that is also written in stone..... notes 📝 from the underground.  

    sam may be the designated guinea 🇬🇳 hen.  

    joe and sam could team teach, even..... in the right place, at the right time.  

    It’s also called mix and match, and once we get the right mix..... the matching won’t stop 🛑...... it’s also known as a critical mass..... don’t get too close...... if you don’t want to get burned.  

    This is vicariousness run amok....... buddy would call it the big love.  

    vicariousness run amok is also about surfing 🏄 the telos 🌊, and you also need to know how to pearl dive..... while hanging ten.  

    donny had part of this right, but he was not quite playing with a full deck...... and when you’re not, the chicks will come home to roost.  

    Remember, it’s about the first ten people in the cambridge directory.  

    You begin understanding about which cards, which people are missing.  


    1400........

    chick 🐥 thinks we’ve established that 3.5 can be a bit of a TEAS.  

    So the old folks will have to do PEATS....... starting with sam and joe.  

    Yes...... eschew obfuscation, and don’t immanentize the eschaton.

    Or, as 3 would say....... by all means..... do immanentize the eschachaton....... vicariously.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:23 am

    Nothing is missing

    We are all here

    No one is teaching

    Or doing any preaching

    Down the hole

    Down the hole

    Down the hole

    Come one

    Come all

    Enjoy the Great Fall
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    Post by dan Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:42 am

    1440.........

    Yes, Chivo knows how to pearl dive, but he doesn’t know how to hang ten 🏄 🌊.

    Well, ok, he does, but he doesn’t know that he knows it.

    It’s sorta like the lady who doesn’t realize that she’s sitting on a gold mine.


    1520........

    Yes, this is about immanentizing the Eschaton, but, this time, it’s for real, sports 🏀 fans 💗.  

    It’s like this is now an action item, and the action could start with hopkins.  

    Yes...... the Eschaton  🌊 🛑 🦠 here.  

    Isn’t that right, smelly?


    1620..........

    Okey dokey....... it looks like we can scratch the looney bin, and just use zoom 🏎 with sam and joe.

    We’re on with sam for tomorrow afternoon.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:25 am

    Hanging 10 watchin the fools wipe out.

    Go ahead, try to surf the still point.

    U simply can’t Wink

    You are trying too hard.

    This is effortless.

    Just be here.

    Zoom zoom zoom 🏎 away

    You aren’t ever going to find it that way

    Pay the boatman all the gold

    Forget all you were ever told

    When yuh stand alone amongst the trees

    Yuh will know what it is to be free

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    Post by dan Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:19 am

    1220z..........

    Ron claims that a question circulating in Washington is...... who died and left Dan Smith in charge?

    I don’t think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.  

    But what am I in charge of?

    I’m in charge of the Truth.  

    How and why did the Truth come into my possession?  

    The Truth came into my possession because no one wanted to claim it.

    Truth had been orphaned.  

    I was provided with temporary custody...... just until it came of age.  

    Individually, Joe and Sam have denied me ‘three’ times....... as with Peter in the Bible.  

    But together, now, they will be unable to deny me..... to deny the Truth.  

    They will be my two witnesses, as prophesied in Bible.  

    Then I can ride off into the Sunset, with the Princess......
    When I die, take my saddle from the wall
    Place it on my pony, lead him out of his stall
    Tie my bones to his back, turn our faces to the West
    And we'll ride the prairie that we love the best

    Back to the witnesses.......  https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/revelation/two-witnesses/
    After explaining this important principle about how His work is done, God then returned to the vision of the olive trees Zechariah had seen: “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth” (Zechariah 4:14, emphasis added throughout).

    In Revelation 11 God reveals that these two prophets, who will be full of God’s Holy Spirit in order to do His work, will arise prior to Christ’s return to fulfill their ministry as a light to the world.

    Just as God accomplished things through the power of His Holy Spirit during the time of Zerubbabel, He will do the same through His two witnesses during the end times.
    The Truth shall set you free...... free to go home...... and freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.  

    Joe, Sam and I will simply be a microcosm of prophecy....... all you good folks are the macrocosm....... the best possible...... the only possible world.  


    1350..........

    There is light...... at the end of the tunnel.  

    Go toward the light.  

    Me......? I got a rendezvous with a Princess.  

    It is a small world, after all.  


    All the world is a stage....... it is our stage...... our best possible...... our only possible..... stage.    

    All the rest is background....... the ground of our Being.

    The heavens are the roof over our head...... the Earth is the ground beneath our feet.  

    The starry sky 🌌 above, simply reflects the Truth in our hearts 💗.  

    The virus 🦠 is pretty much a preview of coming attractions.

    It is definitely portalific.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:21 am

    Love the ones you’re with.

    Always with you wanting to go away from where you are.

    No one is in charge of anything but their own ignorance.
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:42 am

    Well, Chivo,

    Most of us realize that this is our home away from home.  

    We don’t really belong here....... certainly not permanently.  

    This was our mission into the Wilderness.  

    Yes, God might be a figment of our imagination.  

    Ok, but, by the same token, we might be a figment of God’s imagination.  

    It’s virtually the same with the mind-brain problem...... is our mind in our brain, or our brain in our mind.

    We can take our smart phones as an example.......

    The scientists and engineers have explored all the way into the heart of the matter....... and come away with a ‘virtual’ reality that connects us to our brothers and sisters all around the world.  

    I humbly suggest that our phones are portals back to our Source..... back to our cosmic Self.  

    Are we going to have to squeeze into our phones?  Well, that would be one way to look at.  

    Or, we could just don our google goggles 🥽....... same thing.  

    This will be for the rest of you to work out.  

    All that has to be done now is to connect the dots...... Joe, Sam and the White House........ and the Eschaton...... this is how we immanentize/politicize the Eschaton.  


    1640........

    It’s about entanglement....... where three of you are gathered together.......

    We look to the sky 🌌, and we see entanglements...... call them galaxies.  

    Look to our brains 🧠, and we see entanglements of neurons........ we call them a mind.  

    How is a galaxy like a nation......?

    At the center of each is a portal, of some sort....... we are allowed to speculate....... and that’s my job.  

    The White House is no exception, and Joe seems to have a foot in that door, or foot has a joe in that door.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:04 am

    Alright Chuckles.

    Chuckles wrote:Most of us realize that this is our home away from home.  

    We don’t really belong here....... certainly not permanently.  

    This was our mission into the Wilderness.

    I think the above evidence of extreme mental illness.

    Duality.

    Your phone is not the portal, it’s just a mirror of the art of the heart.

    You are and always will be your only portal.

    Nothing outside of you is true.

    Nothing is outside.

    Home is always with you and you can always be at home wherever you are.

    Uncle Chuck just can’t relax where he is and be content with what he has.

    A lesson you and most of the muppets have obviously not been smart enough to learn.

    Everything an icon with you lot.

    The portal is himself and he cannot grok it.

    Maybe the painter and uncle chuck should have tea more often.

    It may have a calming effect on chuckles constantly looking for the escape hatch.

    Maybe they can have art appreciation walks and talks.

    He can’t save himself so he has to play these word games which don’t really mean anything.

    Chuckles is demonstrating a great lesson to you distracted muppets.

    Buddha and Jesus were dead wrong and should have kept their big mouths shut!

    Had families and settled down. I hope they did, in fact, I’m sure they lived their lives and were simply misquoted.

    If one tries to emulate the lies, they end up with egg 🥚 on their faces.

    It’s not see something, say something, it’s see something, shut the fuck up about it.

    You can’t stop anyone else from suffering.

    The ones claiming they don’t suffer, suffer most, as they are just hyper aware of their suffering.

    Anyone can show themselves that everyone else speaking up on how it is is a liar.

    They are making that shit up.

    Out of thin air.

    Smelly goat is not telling you how it is, smelly only speaks about what it isn’t.

    Smelly goat is backing away slowly the way he came...
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:30 am

    Yes, and Chivo is our exhibit A....... his is the portal around whom the rest of us may orbit.  

    Chivo certainly can’t deny that he has a notable window on the cosmos.  

    And/or Chivo could be our anti-portal, which amounts to about the same thing.  

    About this dualism stuff..... where’s that coming from.....?

    I’ll tell you........

    I’m not so concerned about dualism as about pluralism...... e pluribus unum.

    The nations are fragmenting, and sliding back into their original participation (Barfield)....... tribalism.

    Chivo sees this slide as inevitable, and just too darn bad.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 am

    If you are paying attention, I have noted how to open said window and clean it.

    I have not judged what is seen in and through it.

    Clear seeing is for each to have or not.

    The window does not show you meanings.

    The window does not offer prophecies.

    A clean open window let’s you see clearly.

    Anyone can do it.

    I certainly am not special.

    I’m just an individual beholden to no philosophy, god or devil.

    It only takes the will to open the window and let some fresh air in.

    What you see is for you and you alone.

    Alone with the alone is the only thing I can say about it.

    Hey, you could be like Billy Graham Jr. preaching sin and Jesus saves in these idiot commercials.

    Evangelicals/dualists are assholes, boring and simple.

    When you meet the monsters, they knock whatever you are holding out of your hands.

    Then you see the monsters are only ugly because of how we see them.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:12 am

    0810z........

    Let us please forgive smelly.......

    He knows not what he does........ but, we’ve got to admit...... he’s absolutely brilliant at it.  

    And, remember when I used to say that everything is a portal...... well, I truly had no clue of where I spoke.  

    Everything is a portal...... in twenty different ways.  

    But that’s only true for things.

    Everyone is a portal in infinite different ways.

    See, three is a beast, and she knocked everything out of my hands.  So that’s why I’m in charge.

    And let’s just pray that smelly doesn’t wake up, while he’s in the middle of his high wire act.

    Or...... maybe he is awake, but I hope he’s not quite that clever...... that would be scary.  

    And, yes, it’s all about immanentizing the Eschaton.  

    Which is also kinda like surfing 🏄🏼...... that’s why we have to let go of everything...... if we’re gonna maintain our balance.  

    Oh, yeah, and she knocked everything out of joe’s hands, too.  

    Need I go on?  

    In this context, I’d be remiss, if I didn’t mention the Israelis.  

    Yes, and freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.  

    And, yes, sports 🏀 fans 💗, that does include your life.  

    And, yes, smelly, the jguy may have got hisself turned into an icon, but it was the best possible icon.  


    1020.........

    And, yes, the smart phone is all about immanentizing the Eschaton.  In fact, it’s our actuator of choice.  


    1220.......

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/opinion/sunday/republican-party-trump-2020.html

    So, I guess the question now is whether donny is ready for his come to jesus moment.  

    If you understand how the smart phone works, you’ll also understand how atoms work......... it’s like they’re not quite as dumb as they look.  

    Atoms, too, are also about actuating the Eschaton, didn’t we know?  

    donny is dumb........ like an atom.  

    See, a smart phone 📱 is about the entanglement of atoms.  

    And, yes, Virginia....... everything is about actuating/immanentizing the Eschaton.  

    We get the Millennium, Armageddon, the Rapture and Judgment Day...... all rolled into one....... oops 😬, I left out the virus 🦠.  

    Some folks might even think 🤔 it was worth the wait.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:31 am

    You sir are in no position to know who is awake or not.

    Being awake is not about ultimate meaning, it’s about ultimate living.

    Those obsessed with being heard are not awake, especially those wanted to be seen as special or who claim some cosmic authorita.

    We are all special, though none are equal.

    We all have an equal chance to avoid self deception.

    Those living a life kindly shame the wisdom of humanity.

    I have no and lean not on understanding.

    U should be thankful I’m just a smelly goat and not a dancing dragon.

    Immanentize the Eschaton, eschatologists love to say this.

    There is no heaven or hell.

    You do not immanentize the eschaton, you dispel it.

    Just wave your wings real fast and it just blows away like dust.

    Dreams of heaven and hell, just the fog that has been blocking our vision.

    We can’t see beyond death because there is nothing to see.

    The chicken has a lot to learn.

    Just be responsible and content unto yourself.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 pm

    Smelly,

    Run....... do not walk...... to the nearest dictionary....... and, when you get there, look 👀 up ‘immanentize’.....
    In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton in the immanent world. In all these contexts, it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now."
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:22 pm

    Again, you are confused sir.

    There is nothing beyond this life to bring here that is not always here.

    But it’s ur confusion.

    There is a lot to go around.

    The eschatology shit is very cultish of you.

    Very cringy.

    You know I enjoy when true believers tell you how arrogant you are not believing what they do.

    Believe what you like I say.

    You should be able to defend it if you throw it out there.

    But you can’t defend or prove belief.

    You can only lord it over others.

    To resist with opposite force is the same confusion.

    You can only grin and back away.

    I can’t really go along with an end timer.

    Buh bye, have a nice trip I say.

    You want to end it, then end it, you first.

    Maybe if we find the god damn missing disclosure documents we can figure all this out?!
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:33 am

    Still, smelly 🐐 has no idea what chick 🐥 is up to.......

    I’m immanentizing the Eschaton........ does 🐥 have to spell it out...... I think he just did.......

    And I know exactly how to do it, and it’s already been done ✅, even if chick 🐥 were to drop dead tomorrow.  

    It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s got to do it....... somebody’s got to pretend to be the Second Coming........ and, maybe, get away with it.  

    Ultimately, Truth is whatever you and chick 🐥 can get away with.  

    Is this might makes right, or right makes might?  

    And, don’t forget....... God, she is a drama Queen 👸.  

    She gets to show up at her own funeral....... tell her own Eulogy...... the best Eulogy ever told.  

    Ok, Nietzsche made a stab at it....... but I think 🤔 chick 🐥’s nailed it....... just as long as donny will play along.  

    And, yes, donny will play along only if he has to....... we all have to..... and necessity is the mother of all invention.  

    By thinking 🤔 outside the box 📦, we can only end up thinking 💭 inside God’s little noggin....... and that’s what the Princess 👸 and chick 🐥 were doing....... out in her garden, yesterday.  

    When I tell you that I have to be the Second Coming........ what are you gonna do about it....... cry a lot?  

    Yes, sports 🏀 fans 💗, by managing to squeak out a zoom 🏎 call with Joe, Sam and the Princess 👸, we definitely put another nail in this coffin ⚰....... the coffin of our ignorance.  It’s time to put away our childish things, and all get born again.  


    1530........

    In other words, chick 🐥 is gonna be donny’s October surprise...... it’s kinda like having Christmas 🎄 in July.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:27 am

    As this is a mad tea party, you can immanetize what you like.

    We are all mad here.
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    Post by 99 Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:04 am

    Miss those wild Christmas in July parties we had in Ogunquit/Kennebunkport. Not a Trump in the bunch… rest assured.

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