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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:29 pm

    Perhaps Psychedelics and the new Ayahuasca craze is an initiation and connection to the phenomena.

    I’ve considered this before given the experience.

    Radical would not even begin to describe those states of mind.
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    Post by dan Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:52 pm

    Chivo.......
    They would rather riots on the streets than giving it to us straight?
    Aren’t these the best possible ‘riots’?

    The Wuhan phenomenon has effectively moved everyone’s cheese 🧀.

    In stumbling around searching for the new location, I would guess that we are liable to trip over a portal or two.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:41 am

    Eisenhower makes deals with entities.

    Entities do what they want.

    That would be funny if it’s somehow true.

    Creepy.

    Humans are not ones to yield, unless up against overwhelming force and even then we suicide against it like bees.

    The military would do everything possible to get the hands on the good stuff.

    They would have thousands of people working on this and not public.

    We are just a bunch of kooks.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:30 am

    "A portal or two"

    Jguy.
    Buddah.

    The buddah sat for six days under a tree, then on the full moon reached enlightenment.

    He was within the fig trees field.
    He was in the earths field.
    he was there from last quarter to full moon of the moons field.


    He was 34 years old.

    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89.

    Think of Your time here in those time spans.

    Jguy wanders off into the desert with just water, for 40 days.

    Returns "FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT"

    THEY BOTH ARE STORIES OF HOW TO EXPAND ONES FIELD OF CONSCIOUSNESS ( HOLY SPIRIT)

    Then think of the Fibonacci numbers again, think in terms of feet and inches relative to our scale.

    55 feet is a KEY measure in opening a portal, 55 feet of Your field POTENTIAL.

    The earths doorways are at 89 feet, it requires the correct combination for the key to match the lock.

    To attain the key ( which You will at death) requires practise whilst alive, magic mushrooms are a close by key, but not relative to our scale ( I reckon Charles lutwidge Dodgson realised all of this )

    The jguy FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT was able to transfer some of that to those who were depleted of such, thus to HEAL THYSELF, not any miracle or healing, but an enabling for the depleted field to operate as programmed.

    I have been wandering and rambling along for years detecting the geometry of the earths field, and all other independent life fields, trees are brilliant.

    Location, location, location, with the correct KEY CODE.

    Hobbit

    Stories with encoded information.

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    Post by dan Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:31 am

    Ok, hobbit,

    As long as you are aware that there can be no objects without subjects.  

    If you wished to demonstrate your humanity, you might wish to explore how we are essential to Nature......... or is that beyond your pay grade?  

    Perhaps you consider yourself non-human....... let’s explore that.  


    Chivo/Eric,

    Yes, I suspect that Ike might have met with ‘Charlene’, an earlier incarnation of Princess.  

    As far as working out any deal...... it likely would have been a formalizing of an existing arrangement.  

    As to what extent eschatology may have played a role...... it’s hard to imagine that it could have been ignored.  


    1500........

    Traditionalism was an institutionalized personalism.  

    Only secularists attempt to truncate the human potential.  

    Human potential is converted to transhumanism..... at the Singularity.  

    Will materialists go easily into the good night 😘?

    I suspect they will...... in the end..... for all their bluster..... go out with a whimper.....

    The Buddhists will be looking for the Maitreya..... and the Hindus looking for the Kalki.

    All the pieces of the puzzle 🧩 seem to be fitting into place.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:26 am

    Don’t be fooled by appearances Dan.

    The way to life as a human being has always been within.

    Self reflection.

    I commune with the moment through that mirror.

    There are no religions or philosophies or prophecies or creeds there.

    I read an account of an Indian shaman who participated in rick strassmans DMT trial.

    You should pay attention to this.

    Because what you think you are is a cosmic fart.

    He describes his massive dose DMT trip and you never heard anything like it.

    Yuh muppets are gonna get it and good.

    Say bye bye to your face and name.

    It’s comin, death will show you.

    All this philosophizing is irrelevant really.

    He describes how all sense of myself was burned off as if standing before the sun.

    All that from a natural psychedelic every living being created.

    It creates a portal to whatever this is.

    I do recommend everyone try psychedelics if they lack vision or are lost in their visions.

    So I’m enjoying the view.

    It is humorous to me as blessed as we are, how angry we are.

    I don’t know what awareness is beyond the body and neither do any of you.

    What is sure to me is that our current sense of yourself dies with you.

    I think it a waste of time to think about.

    Materialism brings an atheism.

    Leibniz was big on the force behind the motion as immaterial.

    And this force he saw as real and the motion not so much.

    He hated the idea that god played dice.

    I don’t care either way.

    I win.

    Leibniz was very motivated to work out the mind of god.

    Me, not so much.

    Leibniz quotes Plato’s Socrates on the best in Discourse on Metaphysics and I think this is the source of his BPW.

    The ancients looked to final causes.

    The angle of incidence always equals the angle of reflection.

    Fascinating.

    http://www.bard.edu/library/arendt/pdfs/Plato_Phaedo.pdf

    Been using a very nice resource for study, http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/
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    Post by dan Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:22 am

    1720z........

    Chivo,

    Excuse me, but personalism is not a creed.  

    It is essential to our survival.  

    You mention Strassman.  Rick was very much involved with the prophetic aspects of DMT, or did you forget?  
    The most cogent arguments I have found for the rabbinic declaration that prophecy ended are political ones.  That is, it didn’t end, but it was expedient to say that it had. Prophecy “ended” because the authorities told us so, and we believed them.
    ..... so don’t worry about smelly, he’s just being politically correct.  

    Prophecy has everything to do with our existence....... it provides a meaningful context for it.  It defines the Metanarrative with which we flow.  


    2020.........

    Chivo’s harping upon ego death might lead one to suppose that he and I differed on that score.  

    I don’t believe that to be the case.  

    A more serious question relates to the Buddhist doctrine of Anatta.... that there are no souls or essences...... that nothing survives the death of the body.  

    I do not subscribe to this notion.  It simply doesn’t make sense.  

    I argue that Buddha was not a nihilist..... he was rather a relativist.  

    Too many treat the soul as if it were just another object amongst the many objects of the world.  

    This is the view that Siddhārtha was arguing against.  This was the view of Hindus, for instance.  

    Relativism is the hallmark of immaterialism and monism.  Objectivity is the mark of maya.  

    There exists only the cosmic subject...... all else is relative illusion.

    The cosmic self may be identified with the greater self.... with Buddha nature..... with nirvana...... with the I Am.  

    Many equate nirvana with a state of total annihilation...... with the void.    

    Relationalism is very similar to the concept of dependent origination or pratītyasamutpāda.  

    The question that comes to mind in regards to Sunyata is whether Buddha just another illusion.  The Mahayana tradition equates nirvana with Buddha nature, which could be taken to be the cosmic subject.  

    To go beyond that is to be a nihilist, which was a no-no to Sidd.  

    Instead, we have radical/ontological relativism......the best possible relativism...... monism..... the monism of the Big Love 💗..... cosmic agape.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:56 pm

    I believe Rick to be rather confused on those points.

    I saw the symbols Rick did.

    I saw things I’ve never seen or imagined.

    It’s just like comic books.

    Do you see me writing books on prophecy?

    Oh brother.

    To each his own.

    We are each our own worlds.

    Call it want you want.

    He drank Ayahuasca in my group in SF.

    Small world.

    You can imagine any infinity you like on DMT.

    It looks like a fractal world in there.

    The beings look like fractal beings.

    They all sound like mad hatters.

    One should do it just to see it.

    You will never ever in life see anything as crazy as DMT.

    And we make this drug naturally.

    It has to be the source of every single god and prophecy.

    I agree with Rick there.

    But I don’t see any race as the holder of knowledge we all have.

    If you want to be a prophet, write a suicide note and then kill yourself.

    You don’t know diddly Dan about the real.

    Enjoy your convalescence ole geezer.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:06 pm

    Plato said we had an immortal soul.

    I’m not certain of anything really, just in a boat on the water whistling.

    My point was, the feeling of you now is what dies with the body.

    You can pretend to do that before death, but you don’t kill your ego.

    Death does Wink

    That’s the magick of stoicism.

    If you really take that in, you will be free on the spot.

    You see every breath precious.

    Your eyes open in wonder.

    And you don’t want to rob your neighbor, but instead give them a hand.

    But your still here seeing it.

    Can’t explain it to muppets.

    You would never admit your alone Dan, your mind would implode I think.

    Best thing to do really.

    “This has been said again and again, down through the ages. All the religious people have been saying this:

    "We come alone into this world, we go alone."

    All togetherness is illusory. The very idea of togetherness arises because we are alone, and the aloneness hurts. We want to drown our aloneness in relationship.... That's why we become so much involved in love. Try to see the point. Ordinarily you think you have fallen in love with a woman or with a man because she is beautiful, he is beautiful. That is not the truth. The truth is just the opposite: you have fallen in love because you cannot be alone. You were going to fall. You were going to avoid yourself somehow or other. And there are people who don't fall in love with women or men--then they fall in love with money. They start moving into money or into a power trip, they become politicians. That too is avoiding your aloneness. If you watch man, if you watch yourself deeply, you will be surprised--all your activities can be reduced to one single source. The source is that you are afraid of your aloneness. Everything else is just an excuse. The real cause is that you find yourself very alone.“
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:22 pm

    Nirvana is regular moments in life with nothing between you and the moment.

    It is not a mystical state.

    It is being natural, being real, hanging out.

    I’m going to take all your ists and isms and roll them in my joint here and smoke 💨 em up.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:09 am

    I can only report as has occurred.

    DMT.

    I reckon My little producers of this are on overtime, or maybe hobbits are such because they produce too much?
    I wonder if it makes your toes hairy?

    The onset of this has always been location relative, and I hadn't a clue about it or anything related to it, but now recognise what others like Eric are reporting.

    Fractal whirling colours and sounds that I cannot verbalise , and an overwhelming feeling of love and peace, but then.....

    Along came Myself as a voice , whilst My vehicle was becoming annoyed at Me the driver that it said wasn't supposed to see this.

    Me the voice and Me the driver started chatting, whilst the vehicle was ever more annoyed, it was funny.

    Me the voice in all the whirling fractals explained as to where I was, My home eternally.

    And I don't know how long this lasted but Me the voice sure is clever, and explained about this wacky system, and kept telling Me to repeat each bit so it was within My limited memory field here on earth.

    I didn't want to leave, but My vehicle was ever more annoyed saying that it was encoded to keep Me safe and here on Earth to experience and keep reporting back to Me the voice.

    I have had several of these episodes, always slightly different, and I have never even smoked a cigarette in My life , or owned a stupid mobile phone.

    No wonder My family think I am potty?

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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:15 am

    Ziggurats, why do You think they built them????

    To get to the location, the portal pinch point in geometry where the potentials are strong enough for the high potential ( so called magi) to interact with to meet the gods.

    To Meet their eternal.


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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:20 am

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=spiral+ziggurats&qpvt=spiral+ziggurats&FORM=IGRE

    Spin, spin, spin.

    The potentials spin in/out of a finite point, You have to have the spin field to match, otherwise nuffing will occur.

    Like a whirling dervish, spin.

    hobbit who can follow the spin.
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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:16 am

    1210........

    Well, for the first time, hobbit is talking about entities.  

    That is a refreshing departure from wall to wall geometry.  
    ...........


    Chivo/Eric....... I’m getting a better handle on his problem with persons......

    Eric’s problem with persons is everyone’s problem......

    Persons are essentially relational subjects.  

    We implicitly understood this fact when we were in a clan or tribal setting.  

    However, as we moved into agriculture with its larger settlements, we, as individuals, became our own economic/political units, often we became specialized by skills, ownership, etc...... besides just by age and gender.  

    We also became spiritual units, and so the notion of an individual soul was developed.  

    This individuation was the main effect of the breakdown of the bicameral mind...... and the development of individual rationality.... the notion of the Logos..... and of self-awareness.  

    Hindus and Christians took the idea of individual souls to an extreme.  

    Buddhist have attempted to push back against this extremism.  

    Thus does smelly 🐐 come up with his wild 😜 notions of anatta and sunyata.  

    Anatta and sunyata were only ever meant as counters to the Hindu and Christian extremes of individuation.


    1330........

    Atomism may be viewed as merely the logical extension of the objectification of individual souls.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:27 am

    Errrrr,

    Location, location, location.

    With geometry that doesn't recognise any walls, or hills or valleys, or planets.

    That's where We inhabit.

    This reality is hardly there to the overall.


    I am He as You are He as You are Me.










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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:52 am

    1400.........

    hobbit,

    Whad’ya mean by ‘We’, Kimosabe?  
    ..........


    There is no soul, but there is an aperture, with an associated (personal) memory.  

    The memory has a significant teleological component...... a component that operates backward in time..... just like Creation does..... the Alpha and Omega can never be separated.  

    The aperture is our window onto Eternity...... which can easily be mistaken for an abyss.  

    The window on the world is the window onto our archetypal/collective memory.

    This collective memory significantly includes the Metanarrative...... particularly its Alpha/Omega aspect.  

    Chivo is time blind....... ok.....

    But culture is not.  

    We are social animals....... we are cultural animals.  

    Can Chivo deny that?  


    1500.........

    Culture, by definition, is imbued with history...... with historical change, particularly in the modern era.  

    This fact holds true...... both East and West.  

    Chivo and hobbit both have their window on the world.  

    They are both overwhelmed by the Timeless aspect of that view.

    They may be blind to the Metanarrative, but culture is not, and they are still products of their culture.  

    Yes, the prophetic tradition has a front row seat for the Metanarrative, but, in as much as there is a modern global culture, the Metanarrative has gone universal.  


    1620..........

    In as much as there be time blindness, it is a very studied...... very selective blindness.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:01 am

    Interesting my hobbit friend.

    This is why I deny or challenge no ones experiences, just their conclusions.

    All religious experience the result of a set of chemicals.

    That’s quite a governor nature built into us.

    We all meet the voice and see the symbols, some barely, some intensely.

    Some idiot apes takes that voice, because they are too stupid to realize, as god, but it is themselves, the deep part under the water that truly drives our life.

    That may be the same difference.

    While our silly little egos are worn like masks.

    My version of it anyway.

    But you must have intellect to integrate these experiences or blow them out of proportion.

    I had to become a stoic philosopher to learn to live on earth.

    Hobbit I hope you have some practice to keep you grounded in the shire.

    I’m sure you know, as I know, how easy it is to lose yourself in the voice and fractals.

    I made the mistake of telling close family and fiends about what I heard and saw.

    Don’t do that.

    Keep it to yourself until the time is best.

    Until your life is calm.

    Until you have let what happened integrate.

    Yuh can’t pin down a spinning dervish Dan.

    Yuh can try to reason with them, but now, the spin is going faster and faster.

    That brings you close to the Voice.

    The smarter one.

    The puppet master.

    I do not deny I am here or related to here.

    I simply maintain yuh have always and will always be truly beyond appearances be alone with the alone.

    We long for wholeness, but we just can’t get there and it drives us mad.

    That’s not a terrible thing, but it does result in pain and suffering, even at our best, we feel the deep pain of division.

    It moves us.

    You really need to read Ian McGilchrist’s updated book, The Master and his emissary Dan if you want better insight.

    We here are emissaries.

    We venture out to sail to the shores of other people.

    I don’t deny it.

    The master may be the same master in every single one of us, speculation.

    You have to look deeply into yourself before you can make any sense of persons or appearances.

    I believe you have come to the end of your road Dan.

    Yuh must go and meet the Master.

    Yuh should not be accepted as a scientist or politician until you have met yourself.

    It should be a requirement.

    The children now run crazy all over the ship.

    But the master is here too, always here.

    And it cannot make you do anything.

    It can seriously though make things harder or easier and I now know it can direct synchronicities.

    But this is wonderful news, good news.

    I am not alone.

    I am just fully my self.

    There is no concept of alone when one stands in the center, they are alone and they are the circumference.

    It may only suggest and guide, until you are ready to truly stand in the world.

    So stand up and straight on.

    I think I have chosen wisely.

    In fact I know I have.

    And when the connection is made, yuh can receive all of it.

    All of it.

    In the old way, in a little hunter group, I would have certainly been the shaman.

    Not all have this drive.

    But you must have this terrible hunger to face the deep.

    It desires you and you desire it.

    I am no longer just a fool, I am not a god.

    I am a teacher.

    I am a partner.

    I am a father.

    I am a mother.

    I am a son and daughter of the Sun.

    I am a lover.

    I am a Human Being and happy to be here breathing.

    I don’t deny life, I don’t deny the past.

    I embrace it all here now.

    We have come into the world to help one another.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:52 am

    Yes wise smelly one,
    I keep quiet even though My need to inform those who cannot know is powerful.
    Forgive them for they could not know.

    Location, location, location.

    Just been looking at the Catalan atlas.

    Location points all meet up with each other along straight lines, and the solstices and equinox's are shown relative to moon phases.
    I must have lived before.


    Alpha and omega= spiral implosion locations where time compresses tightly, thus information of vast time flows is available if with intent You desire to tune across.

    I really did think I was potty when I first did that and viewed back in time, but six deer wandered right up close to Me and revealed why they were not alarmed until I tripped back into the here and now, then they shot off like rockets.

    My vehicle was parked on tick over whilst I had ventured off in time.

    A trick cyclist would have a field day if I ever went near one, but no, they are crackpots.

    They are simply and totally fixed to the here and now physical reality, as is science, thus everything must conform as they are EXPERTS.

    Hobbit

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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:57 am

    1800z........

    Yes, thank you, hobbit, for bringing the Voice to us...... and us to the Voice......

    As we spin faster, we have to gravitate nearer to the Center, lest we simply  get spun off.  

    We mistake the Voice for God.......?

    Not if we understand that there is that of God in each and everyone of us.  

    In other words, the Voice has to be triangulated by us, communally...... holographically.  

    hobbit is voicing the fact that we are spinning faster.  

    Chivo has been reluctant to acknowledge this simple fact.

    smelly says...... stop 🛑 the world 🌎, I want to get off.  

    We are here, now for a reason..... Eric is acknowledging.  

    We are here, now to help triangulate the Center.  

    I don’t know about anyone else, but that is what we are doing...... whether we like it or admit it or not.  

    Folks who are unable to follow the light.... who are unable to locate the center will simply be spun off into oblivion.  

    Locating the Center, the still, small voice is what we are doing here, now.......
    but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire.....  a still small voice.
    ..... this is what it’s all about.  

    Yes, hobbit, it is all about...... location, location, location......

    Be on the triangulation committee, or be square.  


    1850........

    If, indeed, the world has been spinning faster, it has been prophesied.  

    The internet is like a skater pulling in her arms..... and spinning faster, as she does so.  

    The faster we spin, the more obvious becomes the Center....... location, location, location......

    But, yes, the prophetic tradition has not merely been playing a passive role in this acceleration.  It can be..... it has been argued that the prophetic tradition has played a crucial role, and may even provide the crux of the matter.  

    The Big Love 💗 provides the centrifugal force..... to keep us hanging on...... and, yes, X marks the spot..... location, location, location.....

    Where Buddha and the jguy intersect is precisely on the notion of communalism..... our transcendence must be communal.... mediated by the Big Love 💗.  

    There is only one cosmic Soul that we are all time sharing.

    That is the Source of the still, small voice.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:09 pm

    I know I can beat any theodolite or satellite.

    Should I mark out the four corners correctly?

    "Let Him that can hear write this down."

    That's basically what I was told by way of repeating what I heard, and it was explained that We have a limited memory here that can only contain so much information.
    I have always had the ability to forget that which I find as irrelevant.

    We also can only know what is within the overall memory of the planet, in the here and now We are switching along with, but can tune to other time memory but must repeat it to enable such to be in the here and now memory field.

    The internet is very near to the overall matrix memory , if it blends I doubt this internet will have the capacity to contain such.

    My main objective is to comprehend that which I can detect.

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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:15 pm

    Yes, hobbit,

    Let us box this compass.  

    Let us draw the compass Rose 🌹..... the Rose of the winds 🌬.

    The internet, if properly condensed, under the Aegis of the MoAPS, becomes our pearl of great price...... our philosopher’s stone.... our lode stone.  

    Yes, there has been the breakdown of the bicameral mind. All the king’s soldiers, all the king’s men have tried to put Humpty together again.

    chick 🐥 to the rescue......?

    Where the information explosion 💥 becomes the information implosion.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:27 pm

    I feel ya hobbit.

    You just can't believe what's happening as it happens.

    The world appears as it is and we just are like, omg, what are we and I doing?

    You just want to find others and tell others.

    I know just what you mean.

    Hahaha

    OK Dan.

    So how does all this connect to Disclosure?

    The Voice is speaking to those entities too or whatever it does.

    I just like to keep the 'God' word out of it given our profound misunderstanding of ourselves, we have no business talking about God, but getting close to the Voice is never a dumb thing, but don't pretend we dictate anything there.

    No way, it is some kind of profound touching that happens.

    There are so many layers of crap between us and ourselves, I don't know any way to do it casually, it is very disruptive thing to engage.

    It could end your life.

    You could lose everything.

    I think it's worth it to know yourself.

    I would pay any price before.

    But I know now the price was my yielding to it and accepting how fear driven I was. It does not dominate, it is a cooperation under the right conditions.

    I sound like I have invented a new religion, but I think this is the oldest religion.

    This is why I know Trump to be a profound liar and I know what fuels his lies, his fear.

    I kinda feel bad for the guy.

    It doesn't need to be domination, domination will always end in failure.

    He will lose everything, mark my words, as long as he resists, he will never have the value he needs.

    Why wouldn't someone reach for themselves in a plastic world like ours, a chance at meaning oneself and being heard?

    It breaks my heart to see them all reaching where it is never found, beyond themselves.

    If I have one thing I could ever say to anyone, it would always be, you are enough, know thyself, relax, breathe, repeat.

    You are the Philosopher's stone, but if you want a material analog, the Internet works.


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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:49 pm

    If Disclosure there be, it would somehow have to involve the Princess 👸, centrally.  

    However, a very reluctant queen bee 🐝 is she.  I’ve been working on her for eleven years, and she doesn’t bend...... certainly not for chick 🐥.  

    If there is ever to be a smoking gun...... she is the one.  

    She bides her time...... she keeps her own counsel.  

    Next  to her, chick 🐥 is a nattering nabob.

    In these latter days, the spirits do come.......

    But it is up to us to discern the spirits.  

    We have to use our internal compass 🧭...... our internal navigation.  

    We have to have some notion of truth.  

    Our internal, microcosmic notion of coherence is, logically, the only place to begin....... after that we follow the light..... follow our hearts.... as communally as possible.  

    There is a centripetal flow and a centrifugal flow. You don’t want to confuse one for the other.

    If you are already centered, like Chivo, you may not need to move a muscle...... but you may need to discern the nature of the motion around you, if you don’t wish to be buffeted in the backwash.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:20 pm

    Does not compute, ERROR ERROR

    If our conversation has not moved her, I can't imagine who could have done better Wink

    I am not waiting on Godot.

    You have to reduce yourself to your elements.

    Rituals are only for appearances.

    'It's all symbiosis."

    "It is a game, everything is a game. When all four of them are lying on the ground, that cannot be handled naturalistically. That has got to be done artificially, balletically. Otherwise everything becomes an imitation, an imitation of reality [...]. It should become clear and transparent, not dry. It is a game in order to survive." - Sam Beckett
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    Post by dan Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:32 pm

    Chivo,

    I’m not waiting either.........

    But, one portal 🚪 is worth a thousand words...... in my estimation.  

    It could do wonders to break up our intellectual log jam.

    If the ship 🚢 sinks, there will be too many of us pulled down in the undertow.  

    Or how about there being a cosmic knot of fear......

    How many aeons would be required to untangle that knot?

    After all the bravado about spiritual self sufficiency, we are all entangled in this game together. Our splendid self sufficiency is probably our biggest illusion of all.

    What would Seneca do......?

    Seneca never faced..... never imagined an eschatological down draft.



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