With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
You just took the words right out of my mouth.........
Yes, our only practical option is to head inside.......
The only problem is that it’s probably not a good idea to try blast our way in, as we are wont to do with respect to outer space.
So, maybe hobbit knows the ‘open sesame’.......
We do have a written record of Admiral Byrd witnessing an open portal during his flight to the South Pole. foot 🦶, of course, has access to those records........ and, who knows, whether to the portal, itself?
If portals there be, there would be a great proclivity to attempt to exploit them as providing one advantage or another over those of us lacking access.
I give some credence to the assertion that portal access can be blocked from the other side.
Whoever might be over there is likely to also make use of existing institutions on this side, for limiting access.
1600........
Rumor has it that the US has some sort of preferred nation status.
There would need to be an existing intelligence infrastructure to help provide camouflage. Atomic secrecy would have provided a logical rationale.
Why not just throw the doors open?
At the very least, you might have some sort of PA system to announce some sort of exodus plan.
Such a PA system is already in place, especially via the various prophetic traditions.
Certainly, the ufo phenomenon does keep large numbers of us on the lookout for some off planet excursions opportunities.
Hollywood is hardly oblivious to our proclivities in that regard.
More often than not, Hollywood is likely to exploit our fears of the paranormal...... horror can do wonders at the box office...... the Friday night frights...... gets your girlfriend to hold on tight.
1720.......
If there is an exodus plan on our side, it would have started out as a closely held secret. Evidently, there has been no occasion to amend that policy.
(cont.........)
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Instead of accepting the assumption based theory of gravity which newton invented think of layerings of opposite charged fields that have a double vortex shape around the poles, and they spiral in and out of the poles reversing at the heart centre location.
You the reader are sort of hollow with a thin casing about yourself, and to a hobbits senses you are created upon a cross of polarity and equator with opposite spin zones of the Northern and Southern hemisphere.
Strangely this led to steel ships having to be treated when they crossed the equator regions as it sent their compasses haywire, and this happened in the Philadelphia ship yards where very high voltage cables were wrapped around submarines to reset the magnetic signature of the steel, strange things happened to a certain submarine.
I consider this planet to be a living entity, with a shell like sort of skin with alternate directions of the so called gravity enabling perhaps many hobbits to be upside down relative to Your perspective of up and down.
We have a global societal problem....... a problem that has been with us for aeons.
What is different, now, that can initiate a mass persuasion?
You have generally been very pessimistic on the forum.
From what new direction comes your optimism?
To what set of circumstances do we owe that this might be the best possible world?
Is Nature blind and indifferent to this pageant?
It seems that you expect to get something for nothing.
Might not the advent of the internet have any bearing on human possibilities?
You seem to perceive some sort of human potential?
Might this potential not dwell in the psyche?
Why are you unable to take a cue from Jung and Lilly that there might be an interpersonal dimension, especially in the depths of our psyche?
To a great extent you are toeing the party line of Buddhism...... that salvation is ever only for the individual....... the great mass is permanently stuck to the wheel of samsara.
The mystical tradition is only meant for the mystical 0.001% of us, who, with great solitary effort, are able to break free from the daily grind.
At least the Buddhist tradition is not caste bound like the Hindu counterpart. That is no mean accomplishment.
2000.........
Buddhism is much more involved with the individual psyche than is any other tradition....... but the social dimension is almost entirely lacking.
I find it hard to believe that this almost surgical separation of the mystical and prophetic traditions was not also written in the stars .
The potentially explosive 🧨 combination of these two traditions is just waiting patiently for us to bring down the curtain....... on our sojourn into the Wilderness.
Every political establishmentarian who has any clue about the future, is having nightmares about this apocalyptic eventuality.
These establishmentarians were praying for the goat to take out the chick . Is the goat finally going to let down this praetorian guard?
For 6,000 years, God, has been on the side of the Coverup.
Is God going to suddenly stand aside and allow the chick to blow 🧨 the coverup... sky high?
Is the goat going to stand by?
(cont.......)
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And I have never been pessimistic about anything but our ignorance.
It can end.
We can wise up.
You just don’t get the ole fat smelly goat Dan.
You spend your time with assassins and I spend my time with the pack and the flowers and my love.
Let people decide then who speaks from the heart here.
My heart always wants the best.
We dive into nothing grounded here. And until you spent some tome with Lilly don’t pretend to speak for him.
Persons have to reveal themselves to other persons.
He was isolated much of his life to his regret.
And at the end of all his crazy work.
He said, you don’t get lost in the infinities.
Just come home and enjoy it.
Nothing you think you know about a person is true.
Friendship and trust must be forged.
That’s pretty interpersonal.
Why did I have to meet such a confused
How many true friends do you have dan you trust?
Not many, same for me, but what if the world lived in that trust?
Oh boy, that would be something.
I always offer my hand in friendship.
And I have forged true friendships.
Not so isolated after all now
“Friendship is unnecessary,” C.S. Lewis wrote, “like philosophy, like art, like the universe itself… it has no survival value; rather it is one of those things which give value to survival.”
Don’t you know what is valuable in life Dan?
No, you never speak personally about what you value.
That’s what moves people.
Being vulnerable and honest and strong and weak.
That is maybe the biggest part of living your best life.
To be truly be seen and known as much as one can be is nirvana.
Not blissed out empty solo cosmic orgasm.
Do you hear me.
I’m not a nihilist or a fucking Buddhist.
I killed them all, all the imposters and deceivers and liars.
I’m a god damn human being!
Talk about life here on the ground grand pa
Stop dreaming about the sky or don’t.
If u don’t, you missed life.
Sorry, I set you up to say this.
Listen to Seneca on friendship.
“If you consider any man a friend whom you do not trust as you trust yourself, you are mightily mistaken and you do not sufficiently understand what true friendship means… When friendship is settled, you must trust; before friendship is formed, you must pass judgment. Those persons indeed put last first and confound their duties, who … judge a man after they have made him their friend, instead of making him their friend after they have judged him. Ponder for a long time whether you shall admit a given person to your friendship; but when you have decided to admit him, welcome him with all your heart and soul. Speak as boldly with him as with yourself… Regard him as loyal and you will make him loyal.”
I’m guessing that my dad was one, but take away religion.
Note that both Steve and Dan Sr come out of HBS.
If my dad had a hero, it might well be Churchill.
He was certainly not a materialist. Neither is Steve.
His would have been the great man theory of history, which, admittedly has some overlap with personalism.
The Traditionalist vision of a perennial wisdom is not based on mystical experiences, but on metaphysical intuitions. It is "intuited directly through divine intellect." This divine intellect is different from reason, and makes it possible to discern "the sacred unity of reality that is attested in all authentic esoteric expressions of tradition"; it is "the presence of divinity within each human waiting to be uncovered."
Here there is a lot overlap, obviously.
Portals...... channels to the divine..... would play a role..... secret societies, etc.......
There is certainly an element of gnosticism.
This is what you would be stuck with, prior to Revelation.
There would be a strong adventist element...... anticipation..... amongst the true believers.
Dan Sr was mainly a pessimist, however...... how to slow down the inevitable deterioration. My dad would not be standing out on the hill, in anticipation, like my Montana sister.
Here is Schuon......
The key to the eternal sophia is pure intellection or in other words metaphysical discernment. To "discern" is to "separate": to separate the Real and the illusory, the Absolute and the contingent, the Necessary and the possible, Atma and Maya. Accompanying discernment, by way of complement and operatively, is concentration, which unites: this means becoming fully aware — from the starting point of earthly and human Maya — of Atma, which is both absolute and infinite.
With the understanding that Atma/Brahman/Buddha nature is at the core of every personal being.
This core is often, initially apprehended as an abyss, in the dark night of the soul.
What hill is Steve standing on? What MoAPS does he anticipate?
0740z.......
I suspect that an increasing number of folks realize that we’re not going back to business as usual.
Now isn’t this ironic, “Leibniz gave the name of the Perennial Philosophy to this theme.”
I read Guenon and others.
It just started to taste bad.
And I dug in more and saw what cults of personality grew around it’s leaders.
It’s a fog of ancient symbols.
Mysticism is fear based ultimately I feel.
The fog clears if yuh don’t get swept away in the rapids of thought.
Drugs seemed to convince Huxley this was the truth.
I think it very unwise to draw certainties from drug induced experiences.
I was so overwhelmed by the drug experience it seemed maybe the perennial philosophy mirrored my drug experience deep symbols.
The drugs are not to learn the meaning of being, they assist with healing, can provide perspective.
But fools go looking for god or ultimate reality.
What I found was balance and responsibility for my actions.
No divine truths.
I became incredibly creative.
It is these incensed seekers causing so much confusion.
Mommy and Daddy issues.
Let go what you want I told myself.
I told myself I am enough.
Accept your life as it is and do your best to live with self integrity and compassion.
That was for me, spoken by me, to me.
Huxley and others thought mystical religion was the answer to confused religions.
Transcendence of personality and worldly affairs.
Transcendence?
Transcend what and go where?
What, now you speak for god?
We have an inner self reflective mirror that creates the personality as maybe a side effect.
That image can be transcended when one realizes there is an inner life, not just a relative sense life.
Yuh see ego is just an approximation of you, partly created by our time and culture.
To say ego is to abstract yourself with a symbol.
So what really is the personal and impersonal.
Just more clumsy symbols.
You aren’t a binary person or nothing.
You are this swirling awareness.
What words or symbols define you? DNA?
That’s just a map.
You show up and live the life in the body.
I used my active imagination is all to deconstruct life.
There can be an inner exploration that does not negate the person.
This is what I have tried, badly, to discuss with Dan.
There are no clear lines.
The pragmatists and stoics helped me most to ground myself in my life.
I’m not preaching transcendence, I simply suggest our inner experience is maybe the source of our actions and hide deep wounds that appear as monsters until you make peace with them. Value is forged through self reflection.
Can one not speak of their inner world and not be called impersonal?
We don’t really understand what we are seeing in there.
It should be studied holistically.
The old texts can’t be taken literally and we have to engage this in our time, in our own mind.
There are so many opinions and voices out there.
One must find their own voice.
I do not make claims as to what will happen.
I seek the real.
I seek to understand my thinking and my thinking about thinking.
I engage nature in being.
I don’t have neat definitions for these experiences.
Just breathe.
And relax.
And consider.
Doing the best I can Captain.
I will not take the bit or be boxed in.
I am a slippery smelly goat.
You cannot draw ultimate conclusions from intuition or thoughts or feelings.
I may only have had in mind that, since the time of the Roswell and Arnold incidents, the US has frequently been associated with ufos in the popular mind.
But, yes, I’m also aware of stories about secret agreements, however I could not be more specific, off the top of my head.
All power on earth in my opinion is a lie, a corruption by the ones given stewardship over aspects of civilization.
We are caretakers not tyrants or owners of anything.
Blonde aliens from the poles doesn’t do it for me.
That’s the biggest conspiracy.
I recognize no authoritative power in the cosmos.
So who could ever bless America
I like that Dan, good summary, anarchy and monarchy, guess what?
It’s ALL malarkey!
Can someone take away my self reflection now and put me back where they found me
No one is ever going to find out how we came upon our mental machinery that gives us self reflection.
It annoys us maybe.
I agree with Bernardo, this mirror is the cause of suffering.
Learning to live with it and use it is my only concern.
I have no idea really why the anarchists and monarchists waste their time isting.
What is fun with philosophy is you really dive into new ideas and try them on in phases.
As one grapples with different systems it becomes clearer what is worth something and what can be discarded.
It is very fluid.
I’d say I have not arrived at the end, but I gather from many many self accounts, living your life connected where you are is the greatest philosophy of all.
Dan, just give me a pointer to sources discussing said agreements.
I have no specific sources concerning the generally alleged coverup conspiracy. Intimations of various sorts of conspiracies are endemic to the literature.
The prototypical conspiracy allegations point back to Eisenhower’s alleged meeting with an alien......
There was some agreement to the effect that we would not interfere with them, if they would go about their business discretely. In return, they would give us some access to their ‘technology’.
The subsequent extent of the abduction phenomenon was considered to be in breach of that agreement.
It is not generally specified as to what, if any, recourse we might have had.
I believe that there has been a coverup...... one that has been mutually agreed upon.
However, the alien presence is only ancillary to the coverup.
Mainly what is being withheld is the impending MoAPS.
The MoAPS is of such a radical nature, that it is self-concealing.
2100........
Back to traditionalism......
There is only a minimal overlap with personalism......
Divine truth is not alien to our personal intuition, but we would be very unlikely to stumble upon it, were it not revealed within each of the several traditional cultures.
In this context, modern culture is just an aberration...... brought on, perhaps, by personal greed.
chick begs to differ..... there are no aberrations in the best possible world. Every last bit has been orchestrated..... especially including the science bit.
The various traditions make no sense when removed from their historical context..... from the eschatological Metanarrative.
The individual traditions make sense only holistically..... a holism that is reflected in the microcosmic mirror of every person.
However, there must be an interpersonal collaboration to allow our metaphysical intuitions to shine through. The discernment of truth is a collaborative, historical, not an institutional, effort.
Institutions cannot keep up with the times, especially in the Endtimes.
This is exactly where social mediation is essential.
As material culture commences its death spiral, eg. Wuhan, the window for Disclosure is narrow...... the continued functioning of the global internet is essential.
It’s not the body count of the virus 🦠 that is critical, rather it is the psychological impact...... it is our belated awakening from our slumber of materialism...... our awakening to our material vulnerability, and its impetus to look deeper...... and the timing is critical..... the sense that we exist on borrowed time.
2200......
The gnosis that is embedded in the prophetic tradition segues smoothly into our scientific gnosis.
The limited nature of the scientific gnosis then leads us back to a rediscovery of our primordial transcendental gnosis. Wuhan is delivering us to that doorstep.
If the above scenario is in the right ballpark, the portals should simultaneously be emerging from their modern obscurity. The porosity of the ‘objective’ world will be manifesting.
(cont.......)
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is gonna drag Chivo 
into the best possible world....... kicking and snorting. 
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for the goat 
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thrower at heart...... didn’t you know? 
so bad I bet, Bahahaha.
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