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Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

First topic message reminder :

I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:58 pm

Says the guy who constantly talks about the Jguy.

"Personalists claim that the person is the key in the search for self-knowledge, for correct insight into reality, and for the place of persons in it. Other than giving centrality to the person, Personalism has no other set of principles or unified doctrine. Although many prominent personalists have been theists, this doctrine is not a requirement."

I agree.

I have explored personalism with no theism.

"There is also not a common set of methods or definitions, including the definition of person. Respecting that caution, personalists defend the primacy and importance of persons against any attempt to reduce persons either to the Impersonalism of an infrastructure, such as scientific naturalism, or suprastructure, such as metaphysical absolutism."

Personalists focus on the concerns of persons living in a personal world.

BINGO!

I focus on how best to live as a human being, I am the personalist, Dan is just confused Wink

I have suggested Pragmatism and Stoicism are the best systems concerning how best for persons to live in the world.

Throw in spontaneous action and you have something.

Metaphysics is concerned with being, knowing, etc. Pragmatism is concerned with how best to live as a Human Being.

How pragmatic.

Just my view of it.

Have I mentioned any gods or the Jguy Wink

You would do best to not simply swallow the swill of others, do your own work, arrive at your own conclusions, don't let Dan lead you. He has his interpretation, have your own.

If he isn't interested in helping you do this, he sucks at what he is doing.

I don't suck at it, so.....

Thomas Jefferson had a copy of Seneca's letters by his bed, as I do, obvious Dan has not idea what we are talking about how best to live. Jefferson knew intuitively, as I do, Jesus only maybe said a few words in the Bible. Jefferson was a Deist, he thought God wasn't involved in daily life.

I am no ist.

How best to live doesn't involve portals, prophecy, religion, or personality worship, accept to learn to avoid these things.

I suggest I am a much better personalist than Dan, that is really funny.

A smelly goat beat him to the finish line, I took a short cut.

So I wish you all your best lives by focusing your attention on your life in context of the time and world you live in.

What are UFOs is a valid question in context of the time we live.

Personalism does not imply a personal God or say anything about this.

Other views from history can be of little help to us really.

You have to do the work.

You are living this life, not them.
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Post by dan Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:21 pm

Chivo raises an excellent question....... can there be personalism without a personal God?  

I argue against that possibility...... and it is a point worth reiterating......

The salient feature of the best possible world (BPW) is that it is by us, for us and about us.  

Saying that it is by us, is to say that we are coCreators of the world.  



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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:38 pm

Pragmatism and personalism are one and the same, so no God needed.

We have the world.

Live in it best respecting the life you have been given and the others here living it with you.

Be virtuous.

Virtue is the real realization after you see materialism is not real, this world acts as if it is just material and humans are depersonalized.

We feel so out of place in the material system, because it is not a real world.

What I am talking about is real life and how to live it.

Fuck God.

Maybe it created this or not, I have to live here, it doesn't matter why it happened.

Living like Jesus did is not the real God imho.

Living as a slave best you can, is the real god.

Saying I am God on Earth or the One is stupid and a total fabrication.

"I am one of 3 visitors" doesn't sound very personal to me, as Dan has claimed.

I'm not a visitor, I live here, so do they apparently.

Hi, I'm a Human Being.

Maybe the visitors should learn a thing or two about being persons by being human beings.

Obviously, that is why they are here, I wonder if they have any clue about that.

Honestly, there are no visitors here, just us Human Beings, accept it or not, fight the truth if you like.

The truth is not OUT THERE, it is right here safe and sound in me.

Blend in with the persons, be the best person you can be, inspire others to do the same.

Considering Trump, he is the worst of Humanity.

Not a single view I agree with.

How can someone be so wrong about EVERYTHING!

His enablers are criminals and should be found and rehabilitated best we can.

Gotta take the rotten apples too.

I question his Humanity though.

All I have is my Humanity, otherwise I'm an unthinking animal.

I have to rise to become a Human Being, not one Human Being has ever been born.
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Post by dan Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:27 pm

If anyone wants to go further with personalism, be advised that there are two principle versions...... weak and strong.  

The weak version is that persons are the final arbiters of all empirical claims.  

Empiricism is a close cousin to pragmatism.  

The primary problem with empiricism and weak personalism is that they fail to address our ontological status.  

Is there a place for us in the world, or are we merely interlopers?  

Weak personalism is the pragmatic claim that is no objective truth that can be asserted beyond our inter subjective agreements.

If we are all just interlopers then there is no basis for any moral claims that we may make upon each other?

Pragmatically speaking, anything I can get away with...... goes.  

Is this not exactly the philosophy of Donald Trump?  

This is the law of the jungle....... might makes right.  

These are just personal philosophies, which are nothing besides expressions of your personal preference.  


Chivo has made a point of stating that he is making no claims on anyone else.  His philosophy is meant only for his (private) consumption.  It borders on solipsism.  

Chivo claims stoicism, but others could equally claim hedonism, narcissism, etc.........

Everything is up for grabs.



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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:29 pm

Nonsense...


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Post by FatThorDude Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:17 pm

The rich man who wants more is truly poor.

We are all very rich!

I claim one part of everything I’ve ever experienced.

If one be contented, one will never know poverty.

“It is not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste a lot of it.” —Seneca

Friendship is trusting the other, it takes work to move beyond judgement to trust.

Friends are few and far between.

With a friend I speak as boldly to them as I do to myself.

A friend should know all your worries and reflections.

My journal on OMF was my stoic journal, my meditations.

It was something to behold and unfold.

You cannot trust everyone or no one.

You can’t always be in repose or always working.

El Chivo was birthed in a mystical cloud.

I could have settled for that, but I knew there was more to realize and looked deeper.

And I saw mysticism was my confusion about my being.

My fear made it mystical.

What did Ayahuasca and LSD and the Stoics show me?

They showed me my fear.

The rest was up to me.

They gave me nothing but sight into things seen and unseen.

I could have made my own religion from what I learned, but I wanted to know what was behind the fantastic images.

So I looked into the matter and I found my real life.

And I saw my sense life was not my real life.

I live well.

I live art and practice cultivation of life.

Until one cultivates themselves and life itself, we have not lived it fully.

I am glad the sun rises and that it sets.

I embrace I could die any moment and I make it count.

I am bold with those I love.

I judge harshly until I see quality.

I learned to be a true friend to myself first and then those worthy of it.

Not a bad life for a smelly goat.

Live according to nature is the stoic way.

Maybe the stoics will let me hang out on the porch one day.

Thankfully, I am not alone on the porch.

Thankfully, I can be alone with the alone.

But I do not wish to always be alone.

You see the vulgarian Trump.

He exists to mock ethics and morality.

He sees wisdom as weakness.

He sees restraint as a wasted rush.

But he does not know this quality.

He thinks he is in control because things follow his schemes.

He feels compelled more and more as we pull back farther and farther because who can stop his will he thinks.

He is a great man he thinks, the greatest most free man to ever live!!!

This is the angry father actually.

His children would end up angels or devils.

He forces you to choose.

I looked deeply into life.

I made a choice.

Wisdom, my beautiful mother.

I stand with Seneca and Plato and Aristotle and Socrates and Buddha and Jesus and those like them.

I hold the flame that we were first given.

I hold my light here sacred.

To be is a sacred trust we participate in.

The vulgarian is the ultimate cynic.

They believe in nothing but what they want.

They can find value in nothing and their appetites have an animal rage.

Me and my friends know not know better.

So yes, choose to live in the shadow of his being or shine in yours.

He can never touch this.

That brings deep peace.

I know that any that feels the pull, can know this flame.

Grace is a good name for that.

No one can help me and I can help no one.

Others can wisely follow the trail or rail against it.

One must be this self possessed to avoid possession.

You can take away my material life, and I have lost nothing, for truly, the greatest fruit of my life is realizing, all my goods are always with me and I can never lose.

To live for material things is to be governed by fortune.

The wise person is sufficient unto themselves, but they participate and long for society and family and friends.

But you can take it all and we can walk through cities of ashes.

True for epicurean or stoic.

The sheep 🐑 and 🐐 are being separated.

The wheat is being threshed.

The vulgar’s/deplorable/gop/idealist/scientific hunger will never end.

Fear is insatiable.

Love is eternal.

Death is certain, man that wakes you up.

And here we spin until then my fellow human beings.

Whoever feels they don’t have enough is unhappy, though they be master of the whole world.

The ruler of the world may still be unhappy if he does not feel he is supremely happy.

Unblessed is he who thinks himself unblessed.

What does your condition matter if you see it badly?
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Post by dan Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:30 am

1230z.........

Chivo/Eric,
Wisdom, my beautiful mother.

I stand with Seneca and Plato and Aristotle and Socrates and Buddha and Jesus and those like them.

I hold the flame that we were first given.

I hold my light here sacred.

To be is a sacred trust we participate in.

Who in their right mind could disagree?

The only issue between us is that Eric wishes to draw the line, right here.  

Anyone, like me, who wishes to go further is transgressing.  

chick 🐥 goes beyond the pale.  

To suggest that the sky might be falling is to cause undue alarm.  

Such an observation is liable to impinge on our stoic calm.  

But this is not my only transgression of the civic order.  

That fact that I place this observation within the prophetic tradition is a further transgression, on my part.  

In Eric’s estimation, humankind has matriculated from any need for tradition....... indeed, we can now place ourselves beyond history..... beyond time.  

Would Eric not approve of burning a few books....... here and there...... books that disturb the peace?  

It seems that Eric may have achieved omniscience...... he has seen it all.  All that he has seen is worth forgetting.  We can just take his word for it.  


1330........

He would now like the world to stop 🛑.  

Eric has seen enough...... thank you very much.  

Trust me when I tell you that Eric is not the only one of this opinion.  

Every Green advocate wishes that we could turn back the clock..... back to our Garden idyll.  

And guess what, sports 🏀 fans 💗...... that’s approximately what’s going to happen on the other side of our little rapture.  

This is only to comprehend that our home is beyond time and space..... back with the Alpha and the Omega...... back with the Source.  

Yes, this is the home of every last thing in the world.

It’s like the Earth is where we come to hang out our laundry 🧺..... in the Sun.  

The Earth is where we can till the soil and rotate our crops..... and where we can just lie fallow...... as needs be.  


1515.........

It’s where we can let off steam..... and soak in the rays.  

This is the mountain top where we come to contemplate our navels.  

The monad itself is a tight ship...... more or less by definition.  

It might be Mt Olympus, but....... it’s not for R&R.  

Is it like the bridge of an aircraft carrier...... for traffic control?  

It’s not like we’re trying to second guess ourselves...... we’re just explaining ourselves to ourselves....... it’s not always easy.  

The bridge of the carrier is for rationale control...... if you will.  

It’s where the cosmic Self hangs out, when it’s not doing R&R.  

Down here, we can sit down and have a beer with the cosmic self/queen bee.........

Up there........ we’ll, I guess it might not be casual Friday.



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Post by Foot Mann Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am

The Cheese is on the Loose. This morning he confronted a Moose. He is trying to get some Juice. Then he will fly like a Goose.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:07 am

Yes, I demand your best Dan always.

But the supreme realization is it doesn’t matter if the sky falls or not.

We are each sufficient unto ourselves.

And when we want something, we blow all our energy into it and give away what is always true, we have enough, we are enough.

There is no work to do but realize this imho.

Those who can’t say this with me, fuck em Wink

Stupid muppets they are.

Behind the images and senses is perfect realization.

The emotions are like a deep ocean.

On the surface chaos, deep below slow movement.

Deep currents.

Don’t look to the sky, feel the ocean.

So relax.

We always carry our goods with us.

Having or losing the material world is not a concern here.

But I have not left the world.

I live in it and long for a golden society, loving family and deep friendships.

I participate here in life, with you and all the rest.

How I do that is my choice.

Truly there are non problems but with our thinking and judgement of things.

Letting things be, after I do my part, is not giving up.

It’s waiting for the storm to clear.

I enjoy the rain as much as the bright sunny sky.

The sky can fall, but I am still a little self contained monad if you like.

It doesn’t matter what the material of life does really, circumstances aren’t a concern.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:19 am

Yes, we have a Foot and we usually have it stuck all the way up our arses.

You are supposed to walk on feet.

Feet take you places.

But did we ever need to go anywhere?

I am as much a smelly foot as a smelly goat.

Yuh know when smelly is around.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:40 am

1440z........

What do you think about that, Eric......?  the Cheese is on the loose.... confronting a moose.  

That is a piece of the sky falling...... but you don’t believe in the sky 🌌.

A similar piece of the sky fell on Peruacu..... the weight and balance was almost correct.


1920.........

I’m forgetting, now...... what is it that Eric cares about?

I wonder if Eric cares about the Big Love?

If not, maybe Eric cares about a little love?

There is no need for Eric to care about anything, beyond his own lack of caring, perhaps.  

Eric is defiant.  Many of us are.  We are tired of being shoved around by life.  We see no choice but to shelter in place...... not caring anymore, about anything.  

All the caring in the world cannot change the position of one grain of sand in the best possible world.  

If we were not ordained to care, we will not care.  

But there are no ordinances that have been written in stone.  

There is only one ordinance, and it has been written in the stars ✨..... that is the ordinance of the big love.   All the rest is a smoke screen.  

So, hey, smelly, what do you say...... we might just as well go with that flow.  


I live in it and long for a golden society, loving family and deep friendships.
Golly, I just reread Eric’s earlier post....... he is saying exactly what I’m trying to say, but much better, of course....... we can forget about the sky, and just go along with the ocean currents....... paddling to the sea.......

I guess it was written in the stars ✨ that chick 🐥 would just be a worry wart...... hey, don’t mind me!  


2020.........

And, golly again, now that I’ve been beaten into submission, things may get really boring around here, sports 🏀 fans 💗...... that is if they weren’t already.



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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:17 pm

Who cares what falls out of the sky?

Just want to watch the falling rocks.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:03 pm

Not my intention to beat anyone into submission, I only clearly drew the line between us.

What you do or anyone does, is on them.

Straight on.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:30 pm

Eric,

Suppose we have it on good authority that love wins.

Should we keep that to ourselves?
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:36 pm

How about laying down our weapons and just let love flow.

This is what my experience with love is.

I beat my mom with love.

She had to love me with no condition.

Love is great and we can learn to live with it.

This is where pragmatism and stoicism can be of aid.

You don’t have to reinvent the wheel.

You can pick and choose whatever works to help you live with love.

If you resist nature, you will suffer.

But if one talks of religion and god and afterlife to me, I can only laugh in their faces.

It costs nothing to believe something until you act on your beliefs, living it everyday and how u live is the work.

Falling, getting back up, participating, repeat.

Invest in friendships.

Don’t lie.

Marry, have a family, support your family and friends.

Vote, be involved in civics and don’t argue politics.

Politics is a grand deception no longer serving us.

Fix it.

Don’t run from responsibility, embrace it.

Maybe even whistle while you work.

This is what Human Being is.

Lights in the sky, psychic whatever, Disclosure?

Not for me.

That’s all material, and the material is just part of it.

You will lose all the life you have built.

And then what?

I was losing hope after the existentialists until I found pragmatism and worked out a practical philosophy to live by.

Leibniz and many like him are just too religious for me, take what works in your life.

I just don’t respect religion or mysticism, I see those as hedges against fear.

I’m for ripping the bandaid off and exposing our open sores.

The air brings healing.

I think each has to do this on their own.

We should have 🪂  training schools to get folks ready to meet the Big Love and then live in the aftermath.

Instead we train our young to fight.

When will we prepare them to love?

There is a stoic practice I practice. Love the fuck out of whatever happens. In the pain is a message and warnings and love. Listen to these closely. In the joy of loving it all, you just learn to appreciate the many facets of human being.

I love the fuck out of this life.

Repeat that until it’s true for you.

Then tell me about anything Wink

One literally does brainwash oneself to counter the brainwashing of the lies.

I exist to prove Bernays was wrong.

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Post by dan Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:49 pm

The Big Love.......?

Does this come from Nature?
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:52 pm

I do not pretend to know Love.

But I breathe and i thank the Big Love.

I don’t know what it is, maybe it is just existing.

I am clumsy with it.

I just happen to be floating in an infinite ocean of it.

I think the partners of love are Wisdom and Evil.

When you figure it all out, let me know.

In the meantime I will guide my boat best I can and try to watch out for the evil.

We are participating with this Crazy love.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:14 pm

This country is a fake.

All of it.

Head to toe.

America picked up right where Hitler left off.

We saw his techniques moved millions, we MUST have that power they must have thought.

How could anyone in a Propagandized society believe one word told to them?

Come on muppets, cut your strings, walk out of the cave.

We have been greatly wronged, so do better.

Adolf Hitler's widely quoted comment rings true in America today 'by sagacious and persistent use of propaganda heaven itself may be presented to a people as hell and, inversely, the most wretched existence as paradise.'



So, let us be honest here, let us take our masks off.

We are always playing a role, and if you know that, you are free.

This is the Matrix.

The machines are the corporations, a lot run now by machines and data science algorithms meant to maximize profit.

There is no saving this.

Ron is part of the Propaganda and so is Dan and so am I.

America is only a PR machines, you can believe none of it really, you can only learn to play your part with a smile and a grin.

Don’t make too many waves and you can have a good slave life.

They sell us things to only manipulate us.

The symbols all have deeper meaning.

Media, propaganda.

Education, Culture, Religion, New Age, just propaganda.

All the Pentagon Disclosure stuff, propaganda.

Core story, propaganda.

I know what is behind all the propaganda.

I think Dan needs a new PR agent.

We are DAMN GREAT LIARS!

God must be a liar.

It leaves one feeling very alert when one cracks the code.

A stark startling moment.

No, it can’t be this, yes, it is ONLY this.

I did not lie to myself, no one is coming to help me.

So the Big Love made me a farm animal that is fed off of.

I love that!

I love fucking love my brainwashing.

Thank you.

May I have some more?

This is how Sisyphus beat them!

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Cosmic Consciousness can kiss my smelly goat ass.

What now?

Suicide?

Guru?

Priest?

Philosopher?

Naaaaaa

May I have some more?

Masks back on.
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Post by dan Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:46 am

1145z........

It does appear that smelly is having a nervous breakdown.  

The world is having a nervous breakdown.  

This is the symptom of a paradigm breakdown.  

What paradigm is breaking down?  

Every paradigm is breaking down.  

smelly is just waking up to the fact that we cannot exist without a paradigm.  

So what are we going to do when the only available paradigm states that this is the end of the world?  

This is more trauma than some of us can take.  

smelly will not be the only one going off the deep end.  


1230..........

To smelly, this is an impossible situation.......

Yes, smelly had discovered that we can no longer rely on there being an objective truth....... out there.  

So he turned inward, as many new agers had.... he was tuning in/ward and dropping out.  


Then, what changed for smelly, and much of the rest of the world?

Basically, the world got in his face.  

Ok, so what would Seneca do?  

Try not to pay too much attention to the chaos rising around you.  

Shelter in place.  

But then you discover, even with the curtains drawn, the world is a very interconnected place.  


1300.......

Science seized upon the notion that the truth was objective.  

It got away with this notion for almost four centuries.  Only now, with postmodernism, are we beginning to take science to task.  

Under the rubric of postmodernism, the truth is plural..... it is whatever you want to believe...... whatever you need to believe..... whenever you need to believe it.  

The epitome of modernism is global capitalism.  

But this global hegemony is breaking down..... before our eyes.  

We have both the pandemic, with its economic fallout, and the failure of global/US leadership to contend with.

Anarchy is loosed upon the world, while autocrats try to keep the lid on.    

Any notion of truth has gone by the wayside....... has been tossed overboard...... as the storm rages.  We hunker down as best we can.  

Is it too late for us to be saved from an impending global breakdown?  

If there is hope in this situation, it is tenuous and inarticulate.  


Yes, smelly and Seneca are full of advice on how to cope with adversity....... with local...... with personal adversity.  

But what do we do with global adversity?  

Either might will determine right, or we will have to reexamine what is the alternative.  

The only obvious alternative, throughout history, has been to find someway to objectify..... to universalize right.  

Which would we rather have?  

The only to might is to find a new notion of truth.  

There is an obvious alternative....... one that I have touted......

There are just two kinds of truth, and for all of recorded history we have struggled with just one of these.  

And this notion of truth is written in stone....... and in the sky.  

It is objective.   No one can dispute it.  

Unfortunately, this notion of truth does not speak to any sort of people problem....... beyond capitalism, it does tell us how to organize our lives.  


1400........

If the objective version of truth is not sufficient, the only alternative will be a subjective version.  

But isn’t that just anarchy?

Well...... not if it can be rendered sufficiently inter subjective.  
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On his own thread, U supports Eric as being anti Disclosure and for leading just a ‘simple’ life.  

I agree....... the last thing we need now is more complication.  

But is ‘simplicity’ any sort of answer to anarchy and autocracy?  

Is there anything simple about a pandemic or an economic collapse...... or a global protest movement?  

I’m not sure what world Mr U is inhabiting.  

I don’t think it’s this one.  
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If the objective truth is written in the stars and in the rocks, what chance does the subjective version have?  

At first glance, it has none at all.  

You have look more carefully...... think more clearly.  

In a moment of global crisis, we have to hope that calmer heads will prevail....... but how?  

There is only one way that a new truth might prevail....... that is if history is being orchestrated.  

In other words, sports 🏀 fans 💗, Truth will be able to prevail only in the best possible world.  

To look at it another way, only in the best possible world will there be an endgame strategy...... and the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS) would very likely be an essential feature of that strategy.  


1600.......

Yes, the Truth is within, but that doesn’t make the Truth just stand out against all the noise and clutter.  

There will be a lot of clutter to clear out.  

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with astronomy or geology.  

They are a wonderful way of saving the appearances...... in fact they are the only way.  


1700......

But, when all is said and done, it is only the appearances that are being saved.  

Is there nothing behind the appearances?


1830........

Eric.......Civilization and its discontents.......

If one does not recognize any truth, how is one to recognize what is not the truth?

How can there be disinformation without information?  

Eric has many complaints, but precious little by way of suggestions.  

Yes, there is a great deception abroad in the land, but what is the nature and source of this deception?

The general assumption is that this must be the doing of the power elite.  

However, if you don’t know what the truth is, any change in personnel is only going to be replacing lies with more lies.  


2100........

Nature is the grand deception, which has led to our great apostasy.  

But this apostasy has been essential to achieving our status as co-Creators.  

We are co-Creators to such an extent that we have rendered God nearly obsolete.  God is little more than cheerleader and instigator.

In other words, Creation is essentially a bootstrap process.  

Only a bootstrap world is possible, and ours is the only one possible.  

Calling ours the best possible bootstrap is virtually a pleonasm.  

Why could there not be other bootstrapped worlds out there?

There are other worlds, but they have always been an integral part of ours.  

Why not independent worlds?  

We are so accustomed to the great diversity of life in our biosphere, would it not be strange indeed for there not to be a diversity of worlds?  

It certainly seems that a diversity of alien species has been reported.  

The preying mantis form of ET is an extreme such example, but one which is not that uncommon in the literature.



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Post by FatThorDude Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:35 am

Checkmate Mr. Propaganda.

Bahahahahaha

I am just channeling the emotions moving, flooding the world.

You don’t know me Dan or what my true heart is.

I’m a player on the board and I can wear any mask Wink

Disclosure is a propaganda operation, as is most public talk about UFOs.

A distracting movement.

You know our system is so cynical assuming we must be manipulated.

Let me tell you something, idiots manipulating idiots is just an ape shit show.

It stinks.

“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”

Thanks for your thoughtful opinions and perspectives Dan.

A person is self contained and sufficient unto themselves. No one can give or take anything away from us.
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Post by dan Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:04 am

A person is self contained........?  That would be news to most folks.  

smelly postures himself as being self contained....... chick 🐥 says bs to that.  

But we shall leave smelly to his splendid isolation, and get back to the cosmic self....... talk about splendid isolation.......!

A cosmic self is an impossible object..... also an impossible subject, yet it is a bare necessity....... no cosmos would want to leave home without one.  

The Buddhists and Hindus argue both sides of Brahman.  



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Post by FatThorDude Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:22 am

I am starting a new blog about American Propaganda and how it’s unfolding.

No book titles for this, I think I must be the one to write one.

Good name, American Propaganda in the Age of Trump, AI and Lights in the Sky.

I’ll work on it.

These are Strange Times.

Some in the esoteric sphere have written on this, the rest are mesmerized by the propaganda system.

I’m gonna write Gary Lachman and see if he will give me some tips.

Maybe he is a propagandist, but I don’t think so.

I will put all my skills into this.

I’m diving into QAnon and the current state of the Trump/Disclosure Lie.

I’ll even give a chapter to Dan, Ron and the princesses.

Or...how to create a UFO cult.

Dan as one of its High Priests.

I’m going to take it all apart.

Who has the greatest to lose and gain is the first place to look.

Thanks Dan, you have birthed an anti-propaganda radical.

This is a lot of work.

No one will notice, but at least I found my voice.

I stand against the Lie and I will expose the lies I find starting with myself.

Thanks and again I appreciate your opinions and perspectives Dan, neither fact or truth.

I have no facts or truth either.

I just know how to live here.

And I know my part.

That’s gud nuf.

We are just jewels 💎 sparkling in the light.

You have to dig for the jewel.

So deep and it will cost you all you think you are.

And then you will face the sun and moon as you are.

A Human Being.

To the Sky and Underworld, I accept this.

I am here and I will speak for the living and dead.

Mmmmmm, this is good slop, may I have some more?
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Post by hobbit Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:35 pm

"American propaganda"

You certain of that?

Land of the free My arse.

look to the city of London and the city of Rome.

America is a slave colony, where the humans were eradicated from.

Now the slaves ( all Americans) are rebelling.

The lie is America, the slaves were given bigger presents to produce the war machine.

Well the war machine is now technology, Your twinkling stars that are flying along in the sky, and China is the new war base, America will be ditched.

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Post by dan Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:47 am

1250z...........

We are between paradigms and confusion reigns.  

Surely some revelation is at hand.  

If history is not just one darned thing after another, it’s not hard to deduce what comes next.

If the world is going to make any sense to us, our range of options is surprisingly limited.  

The only option is to assume that this is the best possible world.  

If the world is not for us, it is against us.  

That is to say, if sapience is a fluke in the cosmos, our existence has ever only been on borrowed time...... and it sure seems like our time is running out.  

The only way to beat the clock ⏰ will be to hunker down, and try to blend in with Nature.  

Our brief sojourn on Earth is most easily interpreted as a cancerous growth on Nature...... our only chance is to rein ourselves in before Nature does.  Nature is not likely to be gentle with us...... nor are we likely to go gently into the good night 😘.  


1350..........

If there is any place for us in the world, then there is something about scientific cosmology that is fundamentally akimbo.  

There is no denying that Homo Sapiens stands out from Nature like a sore thumb.  Can we really be expected to voluntarily crawl back into our caves?

If science is akimbo, our only recourse is to look within, which is certainly what Eric has been doing.  

The only message that Eric brings back from his spelunking is that, sorry, sports 🏀 fans 💗, but three is a crowd...... no, two is crowd.  

Whatever is on the other side is very anti-social.  

Funny, but, propaganda or no, the Princess has exactly the same message.  

It just seems that we’re plumb outta luck....... no place for us here, and no place for us there.  

The only option being touted is for us to head to the stars ✨.  

Ok, heading for the stars ✨ is just a no brainer.  

And that seems to be the problem....... it’s a no brainer.  

Yes, we’ve been kicking our can down the road, but now we running out of road, so, hey......... why don’t we see if we can kick it out amongst the stars ✨?



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Post by hobbit Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:34 am

Did eric reply to My last post????

What if???
The best possible world in within, not outwards to the stars but within.

What if ???

This planet is hollow with openings north and south..

It would make sense from how nature operates and it would be safer than here on the surface.


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