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I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......

1240........

I can see that Chivo/Eric is struggling to transcend the limits of selfism.  

Understandably, we all harbor a deep fear of the borg..... of the hive.  

But understand that there is a very big difference between selfism and personalism.  

It is said that humans are essentially political/social animals.  

This attribute defines the difference between selfism and personalism

Selfists are necessarily mystics.  Personalists are necessarily gnostics.

In this scheme...... gnosticism = logocism.  

A notice that Eric is reluctantly but gradually transcending his selfism.  

Humans..... every one of us is precariously balanced on the edge of our personal abyss.... of our eternal dark night of the Soul.  

Only by hanging on and supporting each other can we avoid that precipice.  

Our challenge collectively is to negotiation the Abyss..... the Monad

We get by...... with a lot of help from our friends.  

Now that eric is showing signs of diving into the communal pool, there are some pool rules, here, especially at the deep end......

We cannot afford to compartmentalize.  

We cannot ignore the social/political dimension.  This should go without saying, but it didn’t in my conversation with Scott, yesterday...... and I ended up screaming...... in frustration.  

Understand that Scott happens to be a citizen Northern Ireland.  

As Eric points out, the borg that we call capitalism is disintegrating.  

As our institutions are disintegrating, people everywhere are looking for strong leaders.  

As we approach the precipice of the MoAPS, what we need is a visionary/philosopher King..... one who can see our path beyond the paradigm Shift....... one who can guide us into all the Truth.  

Scott apparently had no clue about the need for a philosopher king.  I see Donald Trump as the antithesis of that.  Apparently he had no clue about what any of this was about.  He would prefer to have Eric as our spiritual leader...... leaving politics to the politicians.  

But I see Eric as slowly coming around...... to facing the music on the ground....... not just the harmony of the Spheres...... or the choirs of angels.  

But is it not true that Marcus Aurelius was a good example of a philosopher King?  

Only problem is that Marcus had no Vision.  His was a personality cult, sufficient to get through the next battle...... operating on blind faith.  And after the heat of the battle, Marcus would commune with his Muse.  

That strategy worked pretty well, if all you had to do was go out and smite your enemies..... in the daytime.  


1400z.........

Our situation is a little different.......

We have an Eschaton to contend with.

I doubt that Eric is about to buy into the Eschaton...... so he has to contend with it under the aegis of cosmic skepticism..... acosmism it is called.



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Marcus was the greatest philosopher king, known anyway.

Stoicism isn’t perfect, but it’s a damn fine tool to crowbar open yourself.

Their biggest problem as I see it is determinism.

I suppose this is what I react to most.

They had made themselves into walking sages, who were afraid to truly exercise their will.

They looked for a healthy balance.

They were very socially minded too.

Dan doesn’t know this, but I worked a lot with the elderly and homeless.

I have a genuine heart for the forgotten.

How a society treats its weakest speaks of its depravity or greatness.

Marcus was a reluctant general.

I think he could have done more to make peace maybe.

But what do you do with hungry barbarian hordes?

Feed them maybe.

Teach them to fish.

Life is paradox more than anything.

Too bad I have no real taste for politics.

Marcus would scold me.

I do not want to argue over ideas.

Show me your quality.

Show me how you improve and develop yourself.

I don’t care what anyone thinks really.

Most don’t know how to think or live well.

So we show them.

We invite them.

We challenge them.

Bless you, Eric, for your social mindedness.  I set no example on that score.  

My social mindedness is limited to the keyboard.  

There is much confusion abroad in the land.  Confusion does not facilitate social cohesion.  

Coherence facilitates cohesion.  Capitalism has its built in corporate structures to mandate cohesion.  

Ultimately cohesion has to come from a place of love, and money is a poor substitute.  

Notions of material and social progress have been closely intertwined.  

The BPWH envisions material progress being replaced by spiritual progress as the cohesive force...... as our guiding light.  

Living just in the present moment is a specious idea.  The present barely exists without a notion of past and future.  The idea of being here, now is hardly sensical where a circular time frame has been largely routinized and ritualized.  

Whatever is present is largely informed by what is absent.  This is pretty much the whole point of rituals.  

We have gotten as far away from the Source as we can get.  

The out breath transforms into an in breath, as we return to the Source, which now appears as our Telos.  

Time becomes our spiritual dimension...... this is turning dialectical materialism on its head.  This is not too far from the original idea of Hegel....... his idea of history being a one way street to the Absolute.  

Teilhard had a similarly spiritualized notion of evolution.  

The mystics suppose that existing social structures will just continue on of their own accord, while we introspect to our heart’s content.

The gnostics seek to reconnect with the cosmic mind, as part of a collective salvation. When this gnosis breaks into the open, revolutions occur. There is the Millennial idea of bringing Heaven down to Earth.



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Some of the greatest humans imho who were stoics and pragmatists would totally disagree with you, as do I Dan on living in the moment.

Without intention, without our ability to be in the present moment, to feel ourselves and our “essential nature”, we cannot invest our time properly.

We must free ourselves of the tyranny past and the future.

We make the future living well now.

We have to look at where we are now, consider our lives in context.

You have rich people and corporations forcing us into positions we don't agree with or want, this is tyranny.

They have become our enemy and politics and economics is their instrument to force us to their will.

They do not seek to free us, they seek to contain us, while they stir the worst tribalism up to support their untenable extreme positions.

These are not quality human beings.

They are the coldest and most greedy, warped by a system we don't even understand or really control.

"Consider the practical effects of the objects of your conception."

There is no such thing as prophecy or gods, just wishful thinking.

“The word of the past is an oracle uttered. Only as builders of the future, as knowing the present, will you understand it.”

You can look to no oracle.

You must live this.

DAN: Living just in the present moment is a specious idea. The present barely exists without a notion of past and future. The idea of being here, now is hardly sensical where a circular time frame has been largely routinized and ritualized.

Feedback is the process by which a fraction of the output signal is used as an input. If this feed back fraction is opposite in value or phase (“anti-phase”) to the input signal, then the feedback is said to be Negative Feedback, or degenerative feedback.

Negative feedback opposes or subtracts from the input signals giving it many advantages in the design and stabilisation of control systems. For example, if the systems output changes for any reason, then negative feedback affects the input in such a way as to counteract the change.

Until you begin to think in systems, you have no hope of understanding our world.

"Practical theory, as distinct from applied theory, is based on the notion of inquiry developed in human systems research and pragmatism. It rejects the practitioner-theorist dualism and treats theory as formalizations aiding inquirers' efforts to join with human systems to improve them, rather than as propositional maps of social reality."

We make incremental improvement from where we are.

We refactor mercilessly.

Hardly, Eric, am I saying that the present does not exist...... that we shouldn’t always be prepared to seize the moment.  

I’m pointing out that, in a holistic world, context can hardly be discarded.  

It is simply impossible.  

It is impossible to rip consciousness out from the unconscious....... there can be no figure without a ground.  Where are we if not grounded?

“The word of the past is an oracle uttered. Only as builders of the future, as knowing the present, will you understand it.”

Only the future will allow us to appreciate the present.  I totally agree.  


1950...........

It is impossible to have a sense of the present, except in a period of change.

When going through periods of change, we are forced to be living mostly in the present.

This can be stressful. Introspective meditation can be a very effective stress reliever.



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I have worked my philosophy out living it, it isn't a theory.

It works and is highly practical and oriented around the moment and what is happening.

So I will hear nothing from religious prophets, irrelevant nonsense.

They are misunderstanding what is happening to them.

At least for myself, I have learned how to live.

There is value in that, for others?

It seems so for the ones who live in the moment with me solving problems.

We must consider history skeptically.

To continue to do what is not working, is only making things more difficult, it's also insane.

"If a factory is torn down but the rationality which produced it is
left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another
factory. If a revolution destroys a government, but the systematic
patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact,
then those patterns will repeat themselves. . . . There’s so much talk
about the system. And so little understanding."

—Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

We can at best, just manage the mess of living.

"Managers are not confronted with problems that are independent
of each other, but with dynamic situations that consist of complex
systems of changing problems that interact with each other. I call
such situations messes. . . . Managers do not solve problems, they
manage messes."

—Russell Ackoff

A paradox, systems thinking leads to determinism, there it is again. When we interact with objects, we suppress or release some behavior that is latent within the structure of the object. Is it things are deterministic or just are shaped to do certain things?

We do not have the ability to do anything, we work within our shape, we work with others, we cooperate in context.

We paradoxically use these techniques to optimize production, but not considering the world, people and the systems connected to production, we cause imbalances.

Science is not end all, it is just an epoch of our awareness.

Whenever you get confused, just breathe, repeat, relax and consider again.

Thank you, Eric, I couldn’t have said it better myself.  

Comprehension is another way to relieve stress.  

If we can catch glimpses of the road ahead, we can maintain our balance much better than if we are just being buffeted by random forces.

We can better appreciate a piece of music if we understand the harmonies and dissonances, and have a feel for the patterns.  It’s nearly impossible to conceive of music without rhythm.  

When a composer is composing she will always have a sense of the context of the entire piece.  This is true even or especially in an improvisational performance.  

A Metanarrative is just a meta system.  Systems thinking is contextual, par excellence.  

A context is as well defined by what it excludes as what it includes.  


Ok, we have the admonition to ‘know thyself’....... but how can we accomplish that without understanding our own situation..... as interpreted most broadly?



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I wanted to get Owen Barfield's take on some of these ideas.

He saw science as a fallacy and ended up not too concerned with what it could or couldn't prove.

He sees science trapped in Cartesianism, I agree.

Anything Barfield saw as disconnected with the real qualities of the world he called RUP, Residue of Unresolved Positivism

He saw causality science binding us in prison walls of mental habits that could not account for the many ways we act and live.

To not see anything beyond matter is actually a misunderstanding of Aristotle.

Microscopes are not showing us anything qualitative.

His answer to this was creative imagination, not better tech, but don't we use intuition and creativity to invent better tech?

Science is a tool, use it in context with imagination is how he might say it.

A mechanical universe governed by abstract causality is a dead universe.

Are you dead?

Modernity tries to save the appearances using material technology making idols of objects.

Detachment from the inner world occurred due to the promise of technological freedom.

A faustian bargain.

Information technology, my bread and butter, fuels the division.

Perhaps it is time for a career change.

I have to say, I think Owen is right is right on critical points.

We would rather monkey around with the outer, than strive from the inner, well, we can turn that around.

He says modern physics is just "cosmic masturbation".

Science can say nothing about the qualitative reality of being.

We have dashboard knowledge of the universe.

Princess Violet, an artist, in his "Silver Trumpet" book, is scared to death of her cynical sister's mechanical toad.

Creativity, thus, is not immanent but mediated, a participation in God's primordial poiēsis?

I have never said to be present to the exclusion of the past and future, always I have said consider them in the context of the moment and what you are connected to, which are part of long causal chains.

Those long causal chains can represent a lot of bad and wrong limited thinking and can become habits.

We don't work it out from the past or try to guess the future, we work it out from here, step by step.

From the moment, we consider the past, from the moment we learn to make the best decisions given our context, guaranteeing nothing in the future really.

We maximize the value now, we have no guarantee of a future.

Creativity, thus, is not immanent but mediated, a participation in God's primordial poiēsis?

Did you actually just say this?!  Who said that?

That’s a little bit scary.   This must be Barfield.  

He can be scary.

Final participation is another aspect of pratītyasamutpāda...... how we wake up to it.

Tomorrow is the Princess’s ‘Birthday’.

And those are called ‘scare’ quotes.  


0540........

Truth be told.......

The future is more guaranteed than is the past.  

..... ‘Tis Gospel......


0620z........

Apropos of nothing........

It was once said of Eddy Fisher and Elizabeth Taylor.......

Like he was trying to flag down the Santa Fe Express with a candle.  

Maybe this is apropos of chick and the Eschaton.  

I try not to take it personally.  

I might have more luck with the Princess ?


0650.......

What we have to understand about donny is that he is just another force of Nature.  

What happens when the irresistible force meets the immovable object?  

This 🦠 is one thing that happens.  

But I wouldn’t want to take it personally.  

.

Just keep in mind that the Eschaton is for us, by us and about us.

It has been personalized especially for us.  

It will be the sunny side of the virus 🦠.......

For donny’s sake, it just can’t come soon enough.  

I’m holding my breath, now, until Eric embraces the Eschaton.  

That will be good enough for me.  

This is what Eric doesn’t quite understand, yet........

I asked him
"When it sank in
That this might really be the real end
How's it hit you
When you get that kind of news?
Man, what'd you do?"
He said
"I went skydiving
I went Rocky Mountain climbing
I went 2.7 seconds on a bull named Fumanchu
And I loved deeper
And I spoke sweeter
And I gave forgiveness I'd been denying"

Eric was vouchsafed his personal glimpse of death.......

Now we’re all gonna have it...... right in our face.......


1610.......

When I first heard about the Anthropic Principle, in 1975, thanks to Jack, I said, wait a minute...... stop the presses.  

But the presses didn’t stop until I met the Princess...... 2009...... and then in 2015 when I was told about the coming alignment of the Vectors.  


1700.......

Let there be no mistake.........

Aliyah came on slow and steady, over the years.  

And, trust me, there is no smoking gun, and I doubt there ever will be.  

But there it is......... entanglement that will not go away...... will not end.

You do have to be a connoisseur of entanglement, and only then can you appreciate that she is a walking portal.



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Call me dense, but I’m actually fairly light.

You will never move me from here.

Only death will.

I know nothing of Eschatons, endings, viruses, conspiracies, Donny or vectors.

I don’t live in those illusions.

That is not what god whispers to me Dan

I’m doing exactly what I can.

In the light of life and shadow of death, I am here.

Barfield doesn’t scare me.

You don’t.

No spook either.

I fear my anger.

That’s scary.

It can overwhelm still.

It brings the boat low in the water.

It allows water into the boat.

Something about the constant friction of life makes me angry.

People hurting others makes me angry.

My wife makes me angry.

That’s about it.

So this is all very personal to me.

It shows me who I am partly.

I’m honest about who I am and am not.

I am not oneness.

I am real.

But what appears is not all there is.

There is a participation.

I share part of that participation here for better or worse.

I reflect back what I feel.

It just feels like the way to be.

I made my act up in response to the inner and outer.

Straight on.

I’ll not go quietly.

I’ll call it as I see it.

The future is...gonna be what it will be.

Not my problem or worry.

I have no future.

Hey, Eric,

No problemo........

I wouldn’t have you any other way.

You are not quite as slow and steady as the Princess....... but no one is.  

The last thing I want you to be is a worry wart.  

And me........?  Do I worry?  

Not with the Princess by my side.  Would I fall out of grace?  

foot 🦶 had to hold my hand for 20 years, poor guy.  

Now it’s the Princess’ turn.  She suffers fools gladly.  

How could anyone worry, after Chris Straub told me to rest assured that I was dealing with some very competent people.  

I’m the only one who can know that, for now.  

But, trust the chick ........ the time will come......

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Yes, we have had many false summits...... many false dawns.......

But the flame keeps burning, even if you try to hide your lamp under a bushel.  


1800.......

There are only three kinds of folks in the world....... scientists, mystics and gnostics.  

I’d say that we got them covered.



(cont.......)

Something just whispered to me...

You have no future?

Maybe you have all futures.

Take your pick.

“Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.” — Ben Franklin

And goats will act like clowns, farting in their faces until they see the truth is all around and within us.

Very strange happenings.

YouTube’s algorithms are crazy yo.

Same cards pulled in different decks related to YouTube vids.

Ok

A very random person thought of yesterday, is first documentary in YouTube about said person today.

Then another vid just pops up, echoing topics discussed here.



Man was Leibniz religious, too much for my taste.

He would maybe call me a rebel.

But I think the world is awesome, it’s muppets who wear MAGA hats that stink it up and smelly goats and chickens

While the world provides optimal conditions, humanity has not quite stepped up to the plate yet.

Makes some good points.

Much turbulence around the eye-wall.

In the center...stillness and total focus and unfocus.

1130z.......

As the global situation becomes increasingly chaotic, it is increasingly important for people to understand the importance of Truth.

The only bulwark we have against total social collapse, is our notion of Truth.  

Most modern minded folks actively disbelieve that there is such a thing as Truth.

Eric, on his better days, is willing to toy with the idea of Truth.

If we wish to continue communicating across individual divides, some notion of truth will have to inform our communications.  

donny, the POTUS, is, globally, the spokesperson for the Lie.  

The Lie is that there is no Truth.  

At this point, President Donald John Trump is the Spirit of the Lie...... the cosmic Liar...... in the obstinacy and potency of his denial of the Truth.  

This simple fact positions him as the #1 candidate for the Antichrist.  


1300..........

If, indeed, there is a phenomenology problem, then foot 🦶 must be in the presidential briefing loop.  

That simple fact would place the SoT in juxtaposition with the SoL.  

Small world, yes?  

Virtually the last communication I had with Ron was to the effect that he was going to have OMF2 shut down.  

You understand that he was a likely culprit in the shutting down of OMF1.

What I am saying is that we should be in crisis mode.  

I have no doubt that Truth/Love will triumph in the end, but, in the meantime, the position of Truth does not allow us to ignore our dire circumstances.  

If you can keep your head when all about you  
   Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,  
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
   But make allowance for their doubting too;  
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
   Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
   And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise........

I consider these to be my marching orders.  

I expect all others using this BPW section of OMF to acknowledge our crisis mode, or to move to another section of OMF.  

Agreed, everyone?  

I thank you in advance for your compliance.  

I have alerted the Princess to this crisis mode.

She is in the most difficult position of all, with regard to these developments.  

She has skin in this ‘game’ in ways that the rest of us can hardly imagine.  


1400........

Going forward...... the focus of this BPW Section will be Truth.......

Can Truth exist, and, if so, what is its nature?

From hence forth, you must be able to cogently address yourself to this question.  

Of course, you might also wish to argue against the existence of, or imposition of, this ‘Crisis Mode’.  

If you cannot, you must, respectfully, hold your peace.  

Now, for a word about our particular situation, here, at OMF.......

As mentioned above, our predecessor, much bigger, forum was shut under murky circumstances.  

The owner of OMF1 basically got into a pissing match with a small but very vocal element of the forum, which quickly escalated into legal threats.  

At this point the owners of the parent board stepped in and unilaterally shut down OMF, and erased all the contents, with only 24 hours notice.  

The partially salvaged remnants of the take down are to be found in the OMF Archive section.  

We can suppose that this was just another random act of chaos, in a increasingly chaotic world, or we can attempt to ascertain a (larger) pattern of motivation.  

First of all, I don’t believe everything I see.  

I don’t believe in randomness...... I don’t even believe in chaos, theoretical or otherwise.  

If there is one iota of meaning in the world.......

Allow me to rephrase.......

I believe that the world is pregnant with meaning.  

The world is either a tissue of lies, or it is a potential pleroma of Truth.  

If the world is pregnant with Truth, then, quite possibly, the seed of Truth is located here at OMF, in the shadow of the Father of Lies.  

Small world, in other words.  


1500.......

But surely, if there were such a thing as Truth, wouldn’t it already have started leaking out?  

What ever happened to the word of mouth theory of this...... the Mother of All Paradigm Shifts (WoM/MoAPS)?  

If you’ve been watching the numbers at OMF, the numbers have only been trending downwards........ from a high water mark of 141 to now usually just in the single digits.  

What is going on?  

Pronoid that I have to be, I have to believe that it is for our protection...... for the protection of the Truth.  

Yes, sports fans, the Truth is being protected with a bodyguard of lies.  

Protection.......?  Since when does the Truth need protection?  

Since whenever.........

Since the very beginning, there has been a Truth embargo.  

That has been Satan’s one and only job...... obscure the Truth.  

Only thing is, I’m not a dualist....... I don’t believe in Satan.

There is only one thing that has ever obscured the Truth......

Our fear of it.  

But aren’t most dedicated to searching for the Truth?

Hmmm........ up to a point.......

Up to the point that it appears to conflict with our lives and livelihoods.



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Let me tell you why Ron is a fucking idiot.

The Lie is that there is no Truth.

Indeed.

What are we doing here on OMF2?

Having a real conservation.

But he would protect the Lie?

He should be protecting our little flame here.

These embers.

I could reboot a society with what I have learned.

I would not be a king, I am just a Gardner.

The cosmos didn’t teach me to be a king or assassin, it made me a smelly gardening goat.

God damn these are good hot embers here.

So instead of open dialogue here, he protects the lie.

Fuck him and his idiot friends.

That they are not here in conversation only exposes them as liars.

It only shows their lack of quality and intelligence.

Ron can shut his stupid confused thoughts down.

How bout that?

Fuck them.

Straight from Gods mouth.

We are not lying here on OMF.

Fuck liars.

Just distractions from this here.

I don’t waste my time on conspiracy cause I’m not an idiot.

In this age one has the whole of mind searchable, ain’t much, but it is far deeper than the idiocy that runs the world.

And the muppets waste their time on UFOs?

They could be drinking from the inner stream.

I’m sad so many will never know and love themselves.

This is what love is.

It lets us see it and choose it because we love this.

No one could ever imprison this or shut it down.

Please, morons.

This is only beginning.

It’s a force of nature.

If not me, then you?

If not you, then who?

Ron can go suck a big orange.

Sweet when you squeeze it.

I have no respect for whoever Ron is, not one bit.

Stupid is as stupid does or doesn’t.

And if your knife ain’t sharp enough for the knife fight here, sharpen it.

God has given us the ability to sharpen ourselves.

But, the sharpest knife comes when blade sharpens blade.

I would put my blades strength up against any on earth.

I will cut you as deep as possible.

But I’m only playing here, roaming in the mind of god.

While they hide.

Hilarious.

A smelly goat and chicken shame them.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-pragmatic/

Yes, the smelly goat does know how to make a stink.......

And he can also be very confused, which he is, especially now, just as the Truth is beginning to emerge.

The thing is...…..

I don't lie, as I know I would only be lying to Myself.

Myself been eternal.

Hobbit

And dan, if yuh be with the liars, fuck yuh too

A plan?

I know I frustrate dan saying this, good.

Fuck the plan

Eric and I just got of an hour long conversation.........

The bottom line is that Eric is challenging me to step up to the plate........ step up to the bully pulpit.  

Well, isn’t that what I have been trying to do........ with a little help from my friends?

With Eric’s challenge, I’ll just have to try a little harder.

What Eric does not totally realize, yet, is that the Truth is not a bulldozer. It is a very sharp sword, and, yes, Eric is my sharpener in Chief.

But Eric does not fully understand that he is not my only hand holder.

He has to share in that capacity with the Princess, et al.......



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