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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by dan Sun May 24, 2020 7:46 am

    Ok, hobbit,

    That’s not too bad.  It’s good enough for a beginner.  

    There’s only one problem.........

    There are no persons within the sound of your voice.  

    What we have are machines within machines.  

    You may be slightly autistic that way.  

    To put it another way, there is no Princess in your garden.  

    What is a garden without a Princess?  

    It is like a garden without a Sun.

    But, yes, hobbit is right....... a garden requires both yin and yang ☯ spinning harmoniously...... even implosion and explosion.  

    The seed is the implosion...... the Sun is the explosion, if you will.  

    Both the Sun and the seed are microcosms...... and, along, with the Earth, we have a trinity.  

    The seed is the Holy Ghost 👻 in this context...... logos Spermatikos....... it is the marriage of Heaven and Earth.

    But, yes, the scientists think they have seeds and suns all figured out, but they have nary a clue.

    The trinity is about pratītyasamutpāda.

    All that scientists know is cause and effect.

    Buddha was too much worried about the glass being only half full.

    No...... he wasn’t too worried...... that was his job...... to worry.



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    Post by hobbit Sun May 24, 2020 8:21 am

    As a "beginner"
    I was beginning.

    It is where to start from, nes pas?

    In the beginning was a sound.

    Then that sound reversed to where it originated with geometry forming from the outward vortex meeting the inbound vortex.

    The resultant complexity is You.

    From the perspective of an autistic person You will be hard to comprehend, but You are in a vast majority, thus You think You are verbalising correctly.

    The field about autistic people is enormous, I bother to check what the vast majority are blind to, to Me the autistic are brilliant reaching far greater potential than the vast dumbed down herd.

    They are capable of communications across variant field dimensions to the vast herd.

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    Post by hobbit Sun May 24, 2020 8:29 am

    The holy ghost, or spirit, is not the seed.
    It is that which enables the seed to transmute into what the seed is encoded to become.

    You are a consequence of a combination of information combined by your parents, that is the vehicle You.

    The driver arrives via the holy spirit where the driver resides in 5D geometry.

    The vehicle will become part of the planets memory form, the driver will exist back to base.

    Did You listen at all to Your jguy?


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    Post by dan Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 am

    1450.......

    hobbit,

    There is only one logical place to start........ I Am.......

    You try your darndest to avoid the I Am.
    .........

    There is only one driver, the I Am........ aka..... Source/Monad/One/Monadnock/Alpha/Omega, etc......

    Keep in mind that all of this is ‘happening’ in the dimension of the Logos...... the dimension of the timeless.....

    The I Am is the seed of the Logos...... the Logos Spermatikos.  

    This is the Monad.  

    The Sun is the logical spinoff of the I Am...... the spinoff into space and time....... along with the Earth.  

    For instance, all the structures of mathematics may be conceived as arising codependently in the space between One and Zero.  

    Clearly, poor hobbit is ignorant of the Anthropic Principle.  

    Without that Principle as your touchstone, you are as lost as upon a storm tossed ocean.  

    Without some such touchstone to organize your thoughts, you are as a cacophony to me....... It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

    Not once, hobbit, have you ever spoken of truth...... really!  

    How can a person be grounded who lacks any sense of center.

    All the explosions and implosions, but the center remains a void...... there is not even the possibility of a cosmic self...... how totally pointless.  

    You don’t know the first thing about quantum entanglement....... about the quantum observer.  Without any such, you are standing on the shoulders of pygmies.  


    1550........

    Even if there is only just one observer, there is going to have to be a narrative, and it might as well be the greatest story ever told.  

    The greatest story is necessarily about our hiding and seeking.   Has there ever been another story?

    Anyone here who does not know how to play hide and seek, you really are in the wrong place...... you are doubly lost.  


    Back to the Sun........

    The Sun is the organizing principle of the Earth.  

    Early on, the Sun was taken to be God, which it sort of was.

    But the Sun could not stand up to the Buddha and the jguy...... who pointed to the Kingdom within...... even if it was only half full.  

    The pleroma was still under construction....... now we are beginning to see the Pleroma at the end of the tunnel...... the shining Presence.  

    I guess that’s my job....... to point to the shining Source at the end of the tunnel.  Can’t you see it?  

    Neither hobbit nor Chivo seem even able to imagine it.  

    Even Buddha could not imagine the splendor....... but he did give out a few hints.  To an embarrassing degree to most Buddhists in the West, Siddhartha does personify that splendor.  

    It took the jguy to really nail it down...... so to speak.  

    You are my sunshine, my only sunshine
    You make me happy when skies are gray
    You'll never know dear, how much I love you
    Please don't take my sunshine away.  

    Just ask the Troubadours, and tell me I’m wrong.  



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    Post by hobbit Sun May 24, 2020 11:35 am

    "Standing on the shoulders of pygmies"

    A hobbit stood on a pygmies shoulders.

    You do get wound up Dan really easily.

    The eye of the storm is a reversal location between two opposing vortex's.

    You really need a god for some reason, the great I am.

    Sorry, no such entity, it's just a system that We all inhabit, and crave the 3D physical for experience.


    Hobbit..getting vertigo on this pygmies shoulders
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    Post by dan Sun May 24, 2020 11:43 am

    Ok, then, hobbit,

    What is your explanation for the Anthropic Principle?

    What is your explanation for the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?  

    What is your explanation for consciousness....... etc, etc.......

    How many people should there be on Earth?  That’s a trick question, by the way.  

    And I should ask what you are here for...... both on Earth and at OM?



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    Post by hobbit Sun May 24, 2020 12:11 pm

    dan wrote:Ok, then, hobbit,

    What is your explanation for the Anthropic Principle?

    What is your explanation for the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?  

    What is your explanation for consciousness....... etc, etc.......

    How many people should there be on Earth?  That’s a trick question, by the way.  

    And I should ask what you are here for...... both on Earth and at OM?



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    Anthropic principle is arrogance assuming human life to be top dog in universe, whilst it is simply just one of countless life forms here on Earth, and the rest of universe will be countless relative to the variant conditions in universe.

    mathematics of current accepted is a limiting system to confine our potential , it's happy in a box.


    Consciousness is the omni present creator of all in universe, you call god, I call serpents.

    there can be however many people on earth as want to be here, it is a two way symbiotic system that adapts to whatever.


    I am here to catch fish, same as your jguy, on OM well the name gives a clue.


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    Post by dan Sun May 24, 2020 1:27 pm

    1930.........

    hobbit,

    You seem to, at least implicitly recognize the unlimited nature of human potential.  

    Do you ascribe this non-limitation to any other life form?

    What then might be the Telos of our unlimited potential?  

    Does human history, in any way, manifest the advent of the human Telos?

    Clearly, persons also have a great potential for evil.  

    The potential for evil is also a unique feature of human beings.

    Is there any question in your mind as to whether good can and will triumph over evil?  

    Is there any other question which should have a higher priority?  

    Is there any question in your mind as to whether love is our ultimate Truth?  

    No...... that last question needs to be rephrased......

    Is there any question in your mind as to whether love is The ultimate Truth?  


    1950.........

    What are you going to do about this Revelation?  

    And what about portals?  

    Are there any beings, besides persons, who exhibit any prospect of harnessing inter dimensionality as an essential aspect of our becoming cosmic beings?  

    Or, let’s make that simpler....... are there any Beings besides persons?  

    In other words, there is a universality to personhood which cannot be known or shared with non persons.  

    Personhood defines that essence of Being...... that potential for love that is essentially cosmic, and of which we have every right to demand of cosmic consciousness....... to demand of the cosmic Self.  

    To strive for any cosmic communion less than this is simply to renounce..... to deny one’s personhood.  

    The unreasonable and universal effectiveness of mathematics is just a dim reflection of the cosmic crystal of our Being-hood.

    The essential nature of personhood is our communion with Being-hood.

    The arena of the paranormal is replete with encounters with remarkable beings.  Have we ever met any such Beings with whom we might not commune....... who could not be seen as deeper reflections of our own selves?  

    In other words, when speaking of the Alien alien, whenever we meet, they are merely different versions of our deeper selves.  

    For instance, let’s speak of the ‘Reptilians’........

    I strongly suspect that they are merely shape shifting for our edification and amusement....... a parlor trick among cosmic Beings.  

    The mammalian form is not just another cosmic accident of Being-hood.  

    A reptilian might well admonish me to not knock reptile-hood, if I haven’t tried it.  Well, ok, but please allow me to take that admonition with just a grain of salt!  


    2050........

    Amongst shamanic practitioners, there is alleged to be a great deal of inter-specific shape shifting.  

    I strongly suspect that that is a one way street.  

    Take the nearly universal presence of the belief in transmigration.......  

    In that great tradition are there any reports of a preference for an extra specific migration?

    Now, be careful, chicky 🐥....... what about Ganesha?  

    Speaking of personhood, Ganesha is a great patron of the arts and sciences.  Will hobbit allow me to rest my case?  

    In the great traditions, anthropomorphism is a much maligned feature, and Christians are often the butt of such aspersions.  

    But consider personhood in the Trinity........ consider how much resistance there is to anthropomorphizing the Holy Ghost.  I know whereof I speak.  

    We can let history be the instructor.  



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    Post by Ghost Sun May 24, 2020 8:32 pm

    Called you today Dan, at least I think I did. Not sure if it was the right number.
    If it wasn't the right number, can you send me the correct information through a personal message.
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    Post by dan Sun May 24, 2020 9:34 pm

    0333.......

    Thanks, yes, we did have a conversation.


    1530z........

    Let’s get back to seeds, for a minute........

    My modest contention is that life and mind cannot be manufactured.

    Manufacturing violates pratītyasamutpāda..... it violates organic holism.  

    It violates cosmic entanglement.  

    How does a seed differ from a pebble, with respect to entanglement?  

    With entanglement, here, I’m thinking of something rather more robust than mere quantum entanglement....... it is a metaphysical entanglement that derives from our monistic immaterialism.  Quantum entanglement is just an analogy...... but also, ultimately, deriving from the one Source.  

    In its simplest version it is the chicken and egg problem....... which came first?

    Neither could....... there was a codependent arising.  

    We can’t have the seed without the plant.

    But, now that we have the plant, can’t we go back and manufacture the seed?  It is my contention that not...... no more than we can have artificial consciousness.  Seeds and plants are all essential aspects of cosmic consciousness.  

    Doesn’t the sheer profligacy of nature speak against essence..... not if the profligacy is itself essential.  Profligacy is hardly synonymous with redundancy...... with expendability.  

    What about the many instances of historical genocide?  Don’t they speak to redundancy?  Genocide happens, and it does not rip a hole in the cosmos.  

    Murder happens.  Plagues happen.  Species become extinct.  We wiped out the Neanderthals...... etc.  

    Where is the magic of seeds?

    Is not a bioengineering factory just another part of Nature?  

    What about hybridization, in vitro fertilization, etc?  


    1750........

    What about the indefinite storage of seeds?  There is nothing holistic about that.  

    It is no different from the storage of digital media.  

    And what do I do?  I don’t even believe in digits.  

    I don’t believe in telephones, but where would the MoAPS be without the internet?  

    Chivo’s tarot is a sort of actuator...... a sort of cosmic antenna.  

    Each byte is such..... every atom of dna 🧬.  

    Atomic redundancy is essential to reproduction...... is essential to the BPW.

    Doesn’t this render atoms ⚛ to be objective....... absolutely?  

    Have we disproven pratītyasamutpāda?  

    What makes for the symmetry between the Alpha and Omega?  

    According to science, there can be an Alpha without an Omega.  It is called the Big Bang.  

    All of this goes to disprove Deleuze.  

    What is going to turn the tide of materialism?  Or will it be our Telos?

    What does the virus 🦠 tell us about all this?  

    Monism is solipsism on steroids, of course.  

    How does a virus integrate...... ingratiate itself into consciousness?  

    What about a virus is not simply mechanical?  It is certainly an in vivo process.  

    I might as well ask how electrons insinuate themselves.  

    Is a virus merely an unfortunate side effect of electrons?  

    Are immune systems analogous to other systems?



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon May 25, 2020 10:14 am

    https://www.academia.edu/777274/The_Role_of_Intuition_In_Thinking_and_Learning_Deleuze_and_the_Pragmatic_Legacy

    As we experience other people in our day to day existence we are shaped by them, perhaps even more so than any environment we experience ... anyone doing anything in a committed, determined way will be influenced, indeed, even changed by it ... interacting with clients & the tarot (or other divinatory tool) over many years will have an effect on the way a person thinks and relates to others ... and needless to say, with their self!

    And there is variation within this! some may work with a divinatory tool a short time and have either no effect on them of a negative, non-reinforcing effect that makes them run away from it ... but, I argue, unlike anything else, when we study thought & thinking with yogic intensity and discipline it is initiatory in ways unknown to the butcher, baker or candlestick maker ... though I am beginning to suspect theoretical physicists may experience something similar with their symbolic logic ... Very Happy
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon May 25, 2020 2:21 pm

    Deep stirrings...

    Awakening from the Cosmic Dream



    “A good example is the best sermon.” - Ben Franklin

    Philosophy is not reasonable.

    Everything is possible.

    Dan is running from despair, like all of us, screaming his head off, in that I do not relate.

    Urgency?

    Beyond existentialism we do not run around Wink

    We embrace not knowing’s freedom where anything is possible and we see oneness is a dream.

    A Quantum Dream.

    "...we need to think that only one assertion has or can have any objective reality: that nothing on earth is impossible. Every time someone wants to force us to admit that there are other, more limited and limiting truths, we must resist with every means we can lay hands on.”

    As one awakens, we confront and use nihilism or we fall into the Abyss of despair knowing we can never know oneness, but this...

    “...is only a shaking free of the human psyche from old bonds. The positive central idea is that the human psyche, or soul, really believes in itself, and in nothing else.”

    The Truth of others is not really a threat to awareness. One christian existential view I can’t touch really is immortality, but freedom I am exploring. I can’t speak about oneness either, because I can’t know oneness really.

    “...reason should be rejected in the discipline of philosophy. Furthermore, it adumbrates the means by which the scientific method has made philosophy and science irreconcilable, since science concerns itself with empirical observation, whereas philosophy must be concerned with freedom, God and immortality, issues that cannot be solved by science.”

    I gravitate to fringe philosophers who feel modern day Academic philosophy has totally lost it’s way and has been beaten back and down by scientism and positivist thought.

    Scientists may also have that belief gene working in full force, just like the ones they pity.

    Could humans be inoculated against belief?

    I think they can be, by getting a glimpse of themselves.

    It acts like a protective in small doses.

    Variolation.

    Some felt Kierkegaard didn’t go far enough, they felt there should be a...rejection of idealism, and a realization that man can gain ultimate knowledge through ungrounded subjective thought rather than objective reason and verifiability.

    Ungrounded is scary to false authority and small minds.

    I agree life is deeply paradoxical, and not comprehensible through just logical or rational inquiry. No theory can solve the mysteries of life. Fundamentally this non-philosophy is not 'problem-solving', but problem-generating, with a pronounced emphasis on life's enigmatic qualities.

    The experience of despair describes the loss of certainties, the loss of freedom, the loss of the meaning of life. The root of this despair is ‘Necessity', but also 'Reason', 'Idealism' or 'Fate': a certain way of thinking (but at the same time also a very real aspect of the world) that subordinates life to ideas, abstractions, generalisations and thereby kills it, through an ignoring of the uniqueness and livingness of reality.

    'Reason' is the obedience to and the acceptance of Certainties that tell us that certain things are eternal and unchangeable and other things are impossible and can never be attained. I do not oppose reason, or science in general, but only rationalism and scientism: the tendency to consider reason as a sort of omniscient, omnipotent God that is good for its own sake. It may also be considered a form of personalism: people cannot be reduced to ideas, social structures, or mystical oneness.

    "But why attribute to God, the God whom neither time nor space limits, the same respect and love for order? Why forever speak of "total unity"? If God loves men, what need has He to subordinate men to His divine will and to deprive them of their own will, the most precious of the things He has bestowed upon them? There is no need at all. Consequently, the idea of total unity is an absolutely false idea....It is not forbidden for reason to speak of unity and even of unities, but it must renounce total unity - and other things besides. And what a sigh of relief men will breathe when they suddenly discover that the living God, the true God, in no way resembles Him whom reason has shown them until now!"

    We are all seemingly alone with our suffering, and can be helped neither by others, nor by philosophy.

    This is not reasonable stuff, it’s radical. I can’t know Jesus’ suffering, I must have my own and know all in that struggle.

    I come across a very unreasonable Russian, Lev Shestov, over and over.

    He’s kind of a blowhard as they say. There is an urgency I read in his work that I relate to the Dark Night of the Soul. An urgency arises in us and then we hit this Self-evident WALL.

    Science says it stops at the self evident.

    OK, so we must go INTO the wall. This may be what a seed is. The is through the experience of dispair.

    We each must have a total loss of meaning in the light of death.

    I remember that realization now and it shakes me if I resonate on that moment too long.

    One can fall into the abyss of no meaning.

    It is a total nihilism.

    One can be annihilated.

    But in that darkness, something can be born. From despair comes total freedom. Great pressure may create a spark that crosses the gap and has ultimate potential.

    Check this desperate guy Lev out...

    Despair is not the last word, it is only the 'penultimate word'. The last word cannot be said in human language, can't be captured in theory. His philosophy begins with despair, his whole thinking is desperate, but Shestov tries to point to something beyond despair - and beyond philosophy.

    This is what he calls 'faith': not a belief, not a certainty, but another way of thinking that arises in the midst of the deepest doubt and insecurity. It is the experience that "everything is possible" (Dostoevsky), that the opposite of Necessity is not chance or accident, but possibility, that there DOES exist a god-given freedom without boundaries, without walls or borders. Shestov maintains that we should continue to struggle, to fight against Fate and Necessity, even when a successful outcome is not guaranteed.

    Exactly at the moment that all the oracles remain silent, we should give ourselves over to God, who alone can comfort the sick and suffering soul. In some of his most famous words he explains:

    "Faith, only the faith that looks to the Creator and that He inspires, radiates from itself the supreme and decisive truths condemning what is and what is not. Reality is transfigured. The heavens glorify the Lord. The prophets and apostles cry in ecstasy, "O death, where is thy sting? Hell, where is thy victory?" And all announce: "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him." (Quoting 1 Corinthians 15:55, 2:9)

    Furthermore, although a Jewish philosopher, Shestov saw in the resurrection of Christ this victory over necessity. He described the incarnation and resurrection of Jesus as a transfiguring spectacle by which it is demonstrated that the purpose of life is not "mystical" surrender to the "absolute", but ascetical struggle:

    "Cur Deus homo? Why, to what purpose, did He become man, expose himself to injurious mistreatment, ignominious and painful death on the cross? Was it not in order to show man, through His example, that no decision is too hard, that it is worth while bearing anything in order not to remain in the womb of the One? That any torture whatever to the living being is better than the 'bliss' of the rest-satiate 'ideal' being?"

    Likewise, the final words of his last and greatest work, Athens and Jerusalem, are: "Philosophy is not Besinnen [think over] but struggle. And this struggle has no end and will have no end. The kingdom of God, as it is written, is attained through violence." (cf Matthew 11:12)

    We each deal with the despair of meaninglessness best we can I suppose.

    But God and immortality is still a bridge too far. I get his meaning I feel though. He is naming something that can’t be described as he said.

    Those who live with limits are limited.

    This is what this dude Joy was trying to show me way back.
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    Post by whoknows Mon May 25, 2020 2:31 pm

    Intuition, I find, is operative.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon May 25, 2020 3:33 pm

    “No statement or judgment about the world is absolutely certain or incorrigible. All beliefs and theories are best treated as working hypotheses which may need to be modified—refined, revised, or rejected—in light of future inquiry and experience.”

    Richard Rorty believed that without the representationalist accounts, and without metaphors between the mind and the world, human society would behave more peacefully.

    My intuition has had me destroy any idols my mind had erected.

    Imagination seems to work best grounded in your life.

    Pragmatism clarifies meaning in terms of action and remains aware of creative, temporal and experimental dimensions of experience.

    Now check this out, very cool, pragmatism is dynamic and the idea of an event in a situation contains the actual and potential ontological modalities.

    We cannot think in just Parmenidean third person present ‘it is’ or a total abstraction of the cosmos in any given moment. Pragmatism is a pretty good theory of meaning if you ask me.

    Why is Dan not pragmatic?

    Why did he not come to the simplest conclusion?

    Portals and princesses are his simplest practical view of all of this?

    We are suffering a pandemic most likely partly caused by our mismanagement of resources.

    It would take a deep practical look, minus abstractions, into what is happening to determine best how to proceed, but we are not pragmatic, we are delusional and confused. Pragmatism has given us many advancements.

    We have created too many unsolvable questions caused by our abstractions.

    Time to take our medicine maybe and take some rest.

    My view is quite different I must say and arrived at after careful personal consideration.

    I find Dan’s theories lacking I must say in light of my personal experience.

    A life takes work and is artistic to find most meaning in it, all while the ground is always shifting.

    We do our best work from rested mind and body and focused attention.

    ”We may contrast the western scientific view of knowledge with that of the east, where personal experience is everything. The east “does not care so much for the elaboration of particulars as for a comprehensive grasp of the whole, and this intuitively.” The western  way of knowing is folly, qen would say, because “life itself must be grasped in the midst of its flow; to stop it for examination and analysis is to kill it, leaving its cold corpse to be embraced.” By contrast, in the eastern way, just “once touch the heart of it and the whole universe will rise from its grave where we have buried it with our logic and analysis.””

    I enjoyed this today in place of celebrating sacrifice.

    My best answer to history is to live well and better myself.

    Makes every bite of your hot dog, infinitely more tasty.



    The universe told me something about the Cosmos I had written about here the other day, evil. Everyone has a potential for evil. Evil doesn’t harm the cosmos or the one it is inflicted upon. IT only hurts the person doing evil and they can cease doing evil anything they like.

    We can stop denying what we are and love one another and live the best way we can anytime we like.
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    Post by dan Tue May 26, 2020 2:37 am

    0840z.........

    Poor Chivo 🐐,

    He so wants to be an iconoclast.  

    He so wants to be an iconophobe.  

    And here he is, embracing the chick 🐥...... his worst fear.... his worst enemy.  

    Yes, Chivo has met the chick, and chivo is about to realize that he is the chick.  

    I was taking a little breather, remembering how seeds work.  

    I remember.......

    If you understand seeds, you can understand Galileo, and vice versa.  

    If chivo can understand seeds, he will understand chick, and then he will have met himself for the first time....... howdy doody.  

    After all this remonstration, chivo was mainly afraid 😱 of meeting chivo.  

    Yes..... life is tough!  

    Chivo’s biggest fears were God and Jesus.  Now he understands that he is God and Jesus....... Hallelujah!  

    The I Am has met the I Am, and he is us!  

    This day will go down in infamy.

    From now on, everyone who comes this way, will have to come by way of the chick 🐥.  Why?  Because the chick 🐥 knows the Princess 👸.... and now chivo 🐐 knows the Princess 👸!  

    And now, for the first time, we understand the biblical sense of knowing.  Hallelujah!  

    Here’s how it works.......

    You can’t know everything without knowing the Princess 👸, and you can’t know the Princess 👸 without knowing everything.  

    It’s called pratītyasamutpāda.  Get over it.... get used to it.  

    By the same token..... you can’t understand anything without understanding everything.  

    Did the jguy understand this?  

    Did the bguy understand this?  

    I leave these questions as an exercise for the reader.

    You will know the answers if you understand that Galileo did and did not discover the moons of Jupiter.  

    By the same token, you can’t understand numbers without understanding the Mandelbrot, and you can’t understand the Mandelbrot....... you get the pratītyasamutpāda.  

    And you can’t get the pratītyasamutpāda without getting the Princess 👸...... in the Biblical sense.  


    0940........

    And here’s a curious fact......

    You can’t understand either the Quantum or the Mandelbrot without also understanding the square root of minus one, and you cannot understand (-1)^(1/2) without understanding pratītyasamutpāda.  

    A lot of people thought they did, but alas they didn’t!  

    Here is my modest claim.......

    You cannot understand -1^(1/2) without also understanding the Princess 👸....... and vice versa.  

    Now you understand why ronny had to go to the other side to pull the donny lever.

    And now you know why the chick 🐥 is donny’s worst fear, and why donny is the luckiest guy in the world 🌎.  

    All the rest of us are just visitors.  


    1020........

    The bguy understood pratītyasamutpāda, but he didn’t understand about time, so he only had half the picture....... the rest is history!  

    Now we understand the place of the virus 🦠 in history...... why it had to come at the end of history.  

    Pratītyasamutpāda...... A = O.....
    He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.  7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.
    ........

    I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

    14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
    ..........

    I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

    Pratītyasamutpāda....... 4M/K/SOT/X2.  


    1200........

    Flower in the crannied wall,
    I pluck you out of the crannies,
    I hold you here, root and all, in my hand,
    Little flower—but if I could understand
    What you are, root and all, and all in all,
    I should know what God and man is.
    When I first quoted this, I was admonished.......

    It was the original sin of science to pluck the flower.

    Now I understand pratītyasamutpāda.

    Science doesn’t....... yet.




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    Post by hobbit Tue May 26, 2020 5:17 am

    http://www.kitselman.com/index.php/his-books

    I spent years researching this man, his knowledge of Sanskrit, maths, languages and consciousness free of time.

    He was heavily involved with TT Brown and His works.

    Pratitya samutpada

    Two Sanskrit words.

    I know the web that consciousness resides upon, there is no alpha and omega, there is no start or end.

    The seed forms from the bud, the bud attracts consciousness to empower the transmutation , the seed displaces in location, the seed that falls on the webs concentration location receives huge inflows of consciousness in duality of spin, it transmutes to expand into the earth and into atmosphere, it does not grow.

    The tree/plant knows there is no such thing as gravity, it locally reverses the dominant earths field on the cross of polarity it is created upon to enable water to fall to it's outer leaves.

    The tree plant protects the water from the suns radiation to keep it charged with consciousness.


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    Post by dan Tue May 26, 2020 6:55 am

    hobbit,

    There you are...... your making the same mistake that Buddha and Chivo 🐐 are making.  

    The jguy understood the Omega, and he also understood that Alpha = Omega.

    Some of us are trying to get the zoom meeting going

    The meeting ID is 417609 nine doubleone seven.  

    https://us02web.zoom.us/j/4176099117


    1315........

    Help......!  Where is everyone?  

    It look Scott is going to be the first customer.  



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    Post by hobbit Tue May 26, 2020 7:14 am

    dan wrote:hobbit,

    There you are...... your making the same mistake that Buddha and Chivo 🐐 are making.  

    The jguy understood the Omega, and he also understood that Alpha = Omega.  

    If one =the other, then it equates to zero.

    There are reversal locations at all scale, the so called black hole been a large scale such, and this is where consciousness chasing itself reverses in spin.

    It is the balance between these two ( or near balance this planet been 55/34) that the seed awaits to trigger the transmutation, and this occurs at the equinox periods.

    At this time I can detect how the trees are operating ( trees are best at our scale) when they react to the equinox percentage changes , they literally reverse their North and South spin field directions ( softwoods)

    The tree of life???????

    With spiral serpents entwined?

    The self same serpents that are entwined about Your spine, unless You release them to reach Your potential, Your jguy did this by going into the desert with just negatively charged water, until at the point of death the serpents erupt and form a huge field of consciousness, then it is about field diameters and the ability to tune into variant geometries of the web, I can.


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    Post by dan Tue May 26, 2020 7:29 am

    This is from Scott.......

    Tat tvam asi.......

    You are that....... which is the same as pratītyasamutpāda.


    1400........

    It’s still just Scott and me........ on zoom......


    And poor hobbit...... he still doesn’t understand about history......



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    Post by hobbit Tue May 26, 2020 8:23 am

    Poor little hobbit doesn't need to know about history, or words, or science, or maths, or biology, or chemistry, or religions.

    Consciousness knows all, and You just have to tune to it with intent and the reply will be instant.

    Does a tree know about history?
    Does a fish?
    Does a cow?
    Does the bird?


    No to all the above, they KNOW when they radio out from the seed, and the reply informs them.

    Humans are the dopey ones, thinking they are superior.



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    Post by Cuan Scott Tue May 26, 2020 8:42 am

    Hobbit,

    If you are around, why don't you join the call?

    Online now
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    Post by dan Tue May 26, 2020 1:07 pm

    Scott and I were on zoom for two hours, and then Eric and I were texting for two hours.......

    And now here is chick 🐥 sitting by the phone ☎, just waiting for it to ring....... 443799 seventwoohone.......

    I gave Scott a hard time about donny.  

    My action plan for foot 🦶 is to have donny re-elected...... on Nov 3.  

    On Wed, Nov 4, donny will resign, in favor of Mike Pence.  

    In the meantime, chick 🐥 will have been coaching Mike about the BPW.  


    2040.......

    Buddy and I are ready to zoom 🏎....... we are waiting for John the Ghost.  


    2140.......

    All others will be welcome to join........ possibly as early as tomorrow.  


    Mind you, I’m not supporting Trump over Biden.  I’m simply acknowledging that foot claims to be associated with the former.  Scott suggests that we might need the ‘forceful’ personality for difficult times.  

    Scott’s main point was that Trump had kept us out of wars.  I cannot fault him on that score.  I cannot deny that he could well be the best possible president for this time of darkness and ignorance...... leading up to Disclosure.  I would love to see these days, and him, be gone, as soon as possible.  



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue May 26, 2020 5:22 pm

    The thing with Trump is he's fairly harmless.

    I'm voting Biden all the way.

    I have no taste for Trump's lunacy.

    I've had my fill, he's great at trolling the establishment, but there is nothing there.

    Biden has no original thought, he's a creepy grandpa.

    Between two thoughtless wits, either is fine.

    We will continue to struggle to make progress on the social front hopefully, but our politics will only splinter more the further from accepting personal responsibility we move.

    Capitalism IS out of control, we need to deal with it sooner rather than later.

    I think that can only be done through war or a rich person turning it around.

    Trump could try to raise up insurrections.

    Good, that's healthy, even dummies rising up is a good thing.

    I wouldn't shed a tear over politics.

    It is a distraction.

    Ultimately one can only have faith in themselves.

    But that means you have to accept yourself.

    On a personal note, I am studying stoic freedom and causal determinism.

    The Russian Christian Existentialists continue to be a challenge.

    Who was the last effective Christian thinker you can recall?

    Rick Warren's mindless drivel?

    A purpose driven life, bahahahaha.

    What is this will in us?

    We have to make incremental improvement where we can.

    Study why you do what you do, what can you do better?

    How can you deepen your quality?

    Until one comes up with some honest evaluation and change to their own beliefs and actions, they have nothing to offer anyone else really and even then, we have nothing to offer anyone else but our patience and kindness.

    If you are not silent, alone with the alone, you are distracted.

    What is all this movement about then?

    I move less and less, no need.

    What is the pragmatic view of Disclosure?

    If you don't need to show them what's really happening, then why would you?

    Causal determinism is a bitch.

    Maybe this is the role of conspiracy theories.

    There may be. kernel of something real in a conspiracy myth.

    They aren't theories, they are myth.

    I've been looking deep into the psychology of conspiracy.

    Yes, things are being done you don't know about, period.

    Much evidence of the hiding, but we really have very little idea what these cabals of conspirators are really up to.

    There are conservative cabals, the dumbest ones in my opinion and ones in every group with some power.

    I think conspiracy is systemic, not centrally directed, too big and complex.

    But it is to the advantage of the conspirators for us to feel this way perhaps.

    Kennedy stands out as a significant and true conspiracy never explained or resolved.

    Epstein.

    He was obviously a fake identity, a front for a very large operation.

    They think we don't see this?

    In a way, it is a threat that hangs over us, get out of line and you are dead.

    I say to that, fuck you, it's not your Earth, fight me for it.

    You can't beat us they say, and I say, you have no idea what one person can really do.

    That evil exists, one accepts it, but you don't have to settle for it.

    In a post truth trump world, is our only choice really that of paranoid or skeptic?

    I am skeptical of appearances themselves, the biggest conspiracy in the cosmos?

    Paranoid or pronoid?

    Not everyone likes you or is out to get you.

    One doesn't need to be skeptical of everything, but should be skeptical when needed.

    One can be paranoid or pronoid, when needed.

    I do not trust individuals to be thinking clearly in our time.

    I feel most are thinking and acting very unclearly, that's a fact.

    But conspiracy can also be a sign of a rising doubt.

    Doubt is the best thing, a necessary concept.

    One must raise the greatest doubt they can.

    Trump may be better to foster doubt, so I begrudgingly give my approval for his reelection Dan Wink

    The more doubt, the more instability.

    I do not seek to suppress people, so instability in an evil system seems very good, doubt brings confusion.

    You can dig into your beliefs like a tick or you can reexamine your positions.

    I say take no position ultimately as the best position.

    We use what we can and we make it up as we go, that's pragmatic and likely the best path.

    Be legally bound by no idea or concept from history.

    We are alive now, this is the world we live in, we need to look here, not what's to come or what happened, but here.

    The Alpha and Omega, meet here.

    Now talk about politics Wink

    The politics of the moment.

    Just do the best you can I say.
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    Post by U Tue May 26, 2020 8:05 pm

    Busy day, I'll try catching a meeting soon when the schedule lines up.



    I'm not a big fan of Trump but I can't bring myself to vote for creepy uncle Joe either.

    Right now Joe Exotic, Andrew Basiago and Dan Throop Smith are in a three way tie for a write in.

    I'm basically a liberal but the left has been trying my patience and the threshold of what I'll accept for many years now.
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    Post by U Tue May 26, 2020 8:40 pm

    El Chivo wrote: In a way, it is a threat that hangs over us, get out of line and you are dead.  

    No.

    You will all fall in line.

    This is the purpose of the demonstration.





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