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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by hobbit Sun May 10, 2020 12:21 pm

    "Terrible overwhelming soul crushing fear"

    What is to fear???

    Everyone dies sometime, every pebble was once an independent living entity, everything becomes the planet ( in this reality)

    "soul crushing"

    What dat?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun May 10, 2020 12:33 pm

    All of this is either an embrace or denial of death.

    Star Forge

    Pressure

    Stellar Ignition

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    Something I wrote to my mom she actually listened to...

    It's like we see the inside of ourselves out there. And when we look inside, we see the sky. We are microcosms of cosmos. Drops of the ocean. We contain all we need, but most is hidden in our unconscious. That voice inside us is always there, it is us. Makes for good poetry. What is the voice? Some ancient people saw us as jewels in the web of Indra which might be like fractals.

    Fractals are infinite. If u meditate or pray a lot you can fall into fractals inside. We learned math and logos inside. We can't take much of the light of consciousness. It would blow us away. But we live on a little blue ball at just the right distance from the sun. Spinning just like we need it to. So what gives us everything, the sun and moon and earth and other planets 🪐 block comets. It seems perfectly setup for us to live here. That's too much to ignore one could just be thankful for all that. I am and it doesn't really need explanation to me. Science is describing the appearances, but appearances are just part of the experience. But something amazing is always happening. How could we waste our time then arguing and being unhappy here?

    Just breathing isn't enough? I look at breathing and my heart beating and I think my god life is amazing. So to me, nature is our preserver and life giver and taker. I just have to breathe to know I'm here. But we don't just exist, we also have awareness of this. A mystery. One I don't seek to answer anymore, I found just living in the middle of it is the best way I can know it. And in this it is my act of worship. To participate in this, is to worship.

    I was way too constrained by religion. Religion was just a spring board into the ocean. A basic guide. But one has to learn to swim on their own and it turns out we are free diving down into the depths of being. Some of us can go deep. Some can take the pressure. At that depth one must be self contained and can rely on nothing else but their own self integrity. One is compressed into a small point. In that space it's just you and this until there is only this. No more distinction.

    Just like you feel when you look into the sky.

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    That’s how all this feels to me anyway.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun May 10, 2020 2:03 pm

    You may like this one hobbit.

    I have just had a string of points on the web connect.

    “Widening Circles” by Rainer Maria Rilke

    "I live my life in widening circles
    that reach out across the world.
    I may not complete this last one
    but I give myself to it.

    I circle around God, around the primordial tower.
    I’ve been circling for thousands of years
    and I still don’t know: am I a falcon,
    a storm, or a great song?"

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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun May 10, 2020 4:40 pm

    El Chivo,

    Delighted to hear you and your mum have re-engaged. Smile

    Mum's need their children and the children need their mother, or at the very least her love.

    As one who shares a home with my mum I know the love and equally the pain that comes from that relationship..

    My mum and I are very close and I am blessed to have shared this part of our sojourn with her.

    That said though, this past week especially around the super moon I was not.

    Blown around like a little paper boat.

    Between the conspiritorium, the world of Q and Covid19

    Lost my footing and slipped... foolish muppet that I am!

    Felt like I was Maverick flying through a jet wash..

    I can say I didn't talk to Goose or maybe it was Goose but I did get control back and re-engage in the best place to be.

    I have not read or developed a depth and body of knowledge that most here have. I often times like to read, listening to the conversation and dialogue and like a child with little coloured shapes, try little slots to put them into my little noggin.

    Sometimes they go in, sometimes not, but I still have the shapes to play with.

    Not sure if I said before but around 3 years ago it took me to be lying in a strangers garden, held in the arms of a kind lady, waiting for an ambulance, to learn, for me, all that was important.

    I can't remember the exact words but I told her, "If I don't come back if I close my eyes, "tell my mum and sister I love them".

    That was enough.

    All the rest, is scenery..

    We all like nice scenery but it is scenery

    I did say to Dan long ago when he asked me "What's the frequency Kenneth?" the only thing that came to mind - Agape

    Must be Agape DAB Stereo

    We need each other because each and everyone of us is a brushstroke on the masterpiece of our story.

    The question is though, setting aside our differences (which are only perceptions) when we place the new canvas on the Easel, what shall we each paint with our brushes..

    The great work of "Infinite Potential"








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    Post by U Sun May 10, 2020 7:31 pm

    El Chivo wrote:I would guess there are women in time we don’t know who caused the biggest ripples.

    Our great mother.

    I met her in the underworld.

    Oh, so you have met Q.

    Quite a woman.

    She takes after her father.



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    Post by whoknows Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 pm

    Chivo wrote: We are microcosms of cosmos

    As I watched this I could not help but think the same thing.

    So many ways to see, so much more to know.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun May 10, 2020 10:45 pm

    Wow...pretty cool wk, the symphony of nature.

    I mean, what in the world is all this, right.

    Kinda funny picking Queen of Swords and the Weaver in a few tarot decks.

    The Queen is temperamental and always evaluating, cutting in her correction at times.
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    Post by U Mon May 11, 2020 4:37 am

    Hey Chivo, when can we expect new episodes of the BPW show on YT?
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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 7:32 am

    Been at sea when on the bad side of the Queen, waves big enough to sweep us from stem to stern.

    But then my favorite places is at sea at night with the sky full of stars. Absolute fav is at sea in the arctic on a clear night with the auroral lights rolling from horizon to horizon.  

    Been thinking about gettin a deck, nearly 50 years since I last had one. have to take a look, maybe a weaver deck.😏
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    Post by GSB Mon May 11, 2020 10:01 am

    Dan doesn't believe in atoms but will he believe in single atom quantum transistors?

    https://scitechdaily.com/new-recipe-for-single-atom-transistors-may-enable-quantum-computers-with-unparalleled-memory-and-processing-power/

    The scientists demonstrated that they could precisely adjust the rate at which individual electrons flow through a physical gap or electrical barrier in their transistor — even though classical physics would forbid the electrons from doing so because they lack enough energy. That strictly quantum phenomenon, known as quantum tunneling, only becomes important when gaps are extremely tiny, such as in the miniature transistors. Precise control over quantum tunneling is key because it enables the transistors to become “entangled” or interlinked in a way only possible through quantum mechanics and opens new possibilities for creating quantum bits (qubits) that could be used in quantum computing.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 11, 2020 10:49 am

    That's just the appearances Gary, not what we are talking about really. Science can dissect it for eternity and not see their noses.

    We are talking about the animus mundi and you harp on about the particles.

    Bahahaha, the particles is all you see!

    OK, thanks for describing the appearances.

    No one disagrees with you about the way the appearances appear.

    But they appear in the BPW.
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    Post by dan Mon May 11, 2020 12:16 pm

    “The present" raises the question: "How is it that all sentient beings experience now at the same time?"[7] There is no logical reason why this should be the case and no easy answer to the question.
     Yes, there is a problem, here, but try to find a discussion of it.  

    Most problems of philosophy are named, but not so with this, here problem.  

    It is a spooky sort of problem....... it sure has spooked 😱 the philosophers....... besides, perhaps, the problem of consciousness, itself.  

    The unity and primacy of Now is the core teaching of Buddhism, for instance, as Chivo is at endless pains to point out.  

    We tend to think of ourselves as lost in time and space, but here we all are....... dancing on the pinhead of the Now.  

    We are faced with the interpersonal unity of consciousness...... particularly in its temporal aspect.  The very subjective experience of the qualia...... of color..... are they not something, also, universal?  

    The fact of the gestalt of mind is at the core of our experience of it.  

    These facts form the basis of our impetus toward monism.

    Our various subjectivities are supposed to divide us, but subjectivity is the glue that holds us together.  



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    Post by hobbit Mon May 11, 2020 12:45 pm

    Spooky things with no distance.

    I must be crap at describing this????

    I have tried multiple times......attempt again.....

    Consciousness enables creation and maintains such within a memory field of consciousness.

    The planet Earth is such, and all separate living entities are within that memory, as separate memories and are able to displace within the overall memory as long as a field of consciousness is present.

    When that field is not present the host will be declared as dead.

    The multitude of so called atoms that compose any living entity are self similar to the overall with their own field.

    Each field is unique in it's field geometries and are able to accumulate with other fields that have attractive geometries and electron spin suitability.

    The earth will be within the next larger field, and that will be in the next larger, the overall some call god.

    Displacement is enabled by consciousness variability in a kind of magnetic fashion.


    The above is known and has been weaponised, and is currently been utilised .

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    Post by hobbit Mon May 11, 2020 1:20 pm

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/sun_tzu_384112

    Know any part, know it all.

    Know thyself, know your enemy.

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    Post by dan Mon May 11, 2020 1:25 pm

    Yes, hobbit, the Monad has been weaponized, and it is going to eat you alive.  

    It is called the Rapture or the Wedding Feast in the sky....... and you will be an hors d’oeuvre.

    When you go to the Portal, be sure to bring your AR15.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 11, 2020 1:58 pm

    All that bible stuff is not about history.

    It’s a code to your inner unconscious, like the Tarot.

    So I have no idea what you are talking about dan unless you are being metaphorical.

    U, Dan and I really don’t have anything to talk about, I’ll post my group chat with ack Dan and Bryan.

    But I don’t know when we will chat again like that.
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    Post by hobbit Mon May 11, 2020 2:13 pm

    https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-boris-johnson-lockdown-stay-alert-9508441

    Dan, Mr trick cyclist,

    I had better STAY ALERT.

    Gone green from red, it was red border with stay home.


    What next????

    They will blame the people for not following the advise, when the big bad virus is SAID TO HAVE RETURNED.

    And billions will die.


    Trick cyclists everywhere.


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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 6:16 pm

    Chivo wrote: It’s a code to your inner unconscious, like the Tarot.

    To tell you the truth the Tarot for me are more about the art, they can be attractive.
    I was thinking they could be cool for playing solitaire at the mo.

    Beauty to find in so many ways.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 11, 2020 9:24 pm

    Not to me.

    i don't use them to reflect the future, not possible, just guesses.

    I use them for self reflection and meditation.

    Tarot is an amazing intuitive tool with incredible results.

    I'm prob an intermediate level practitioner.

    If you are interested, highly recommend this guide, https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Tarot-Journey-Christian-Hermeticism/dp/1585421618

    Gypsy tarot is a scam that uses your own insecurities against you, but as a personal tool, this is a powerful mirror of the unconscious.

    You get out of these rituals and tools what you put into them.

    Ritual in some way I discovered personally helps us navigate the flow.

    Provides a framework to work with the inside of us.

    The tarot encodes the fools journey, as it was for royalty back in the day.

    We are all royal.

    The I Ching is a similar tool.

    Like all material objects, they are mirrors.

    The more you work with the Tarot or any similar tool, and I have everyday for 3 years, the closer and more accurate to your circumstances the cards seem to reflect.

    Discovering the esoteric meaning of the Tarot for yourself is a stop along the way to personal awareness for many.

    I have theories about them I can't prove form personal experience.

    Carl Jung made his own tarot deck, I have also begun work on my own deck, that is the most potent deck.

    The thing with Magick is you go with what works.

    Tarot is an incredible mirror for me.

    They open doors to the unconscious, and that may connect all of us.

    You can do a lot of self therapy with focus on a deck too, one version of our psychology is encoded in the cards.

    Card games today come from the Tarot.

    There are several Tarot Systems, The Golden Dawn version is most used, I use the Thoth system a lot that Alister Crowley created.

    I really like the Tarot de Marseille as well.

    Check this out about Jung.

    We have likely used divination tools since our earliest dawn of awareness.

    Thrown sticks, read guts, or stones.

    If you are sensitive enough, you can know almost exactly the best move in almost any human situation.

    We are using different muscles using this tool.

    This would have been needed even more or less when the Oracles went silent.

    It was created by the unconscious itself maybe as a way to communicate with it using images and symbols, that is the language of the unconscious.

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    In a 1933 lecture Jung went on at length about his views on the Tarot, noting the late Medieval cards are "really the origin of our pack of cards, in which the red and the black symbolize the opposites, and the division of the four—clubs, spades, diamonds, and hearts—also belongs to the individual symbolism.

    They are psychological images, symbols with which one plays, as the unconscious seems to play with its contents.” The cards, said Jung, “combine in certain ways, and the different combinations correspond to the playful development of mankind.” This, too, is how Tarot works—with the added dimension of “symbols, or pictures of symbolical situations.” The images—the hanged man, the tower, the sun—“are sort of archetypal ideas, of a differentiated nature.”

    He suggested indeed, “we can predict the future, when we know how the present moment evolved from the past.” He called for “an intuitive method that has the purpose of understanding the flow of life, possibly even predicting future events, at all events lending itself to the reading of the conditions of the present moment.” He compared this process to the Chinese I Ching, and other such practices. As analyst Marie-Louise von Franz recounts in her book Psyche and Matter:

    Jung suggested… having people engage in a divinatory procedure: throwing the I Ching, laying the Tarot cards, consulting the Mexican divination calendar, having a transit horoscope or a geometric reading done.

    Content seemed to matter much less than form. Invoking the Swedenborgian doctrine of correspondences, Jung notes in his lecture, “man always felt the need of finding an access through the unconscious to the meaning of an actual condition, because there is a sort of correspondence or a likeness between the prevailing condition and the condition of the collective unconscious.

    What he aimed at through the use of divination was to accelerate the process of “individuation,” the move toward wholeness and integrity, by means of playful combinations of archetypes. As another mystical psychologist, Alejandro Jodorowsky, puts it, "the Tarot will teach you how to create a soul." Jung perceived the Tarot, notes the blog Faena Aleph, “as an alchemical game,” which in his words, attempts “the union of opposites.” Like the I Ching, it “presents a rhythm of negative and positive, loss and gain, dark and light.”


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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 9:39 pm

    I can relate to what you’re say and that may come back. Like I say it been almost 50 years now since I last touched a deck. Back then as I remember it, I felt I no longer needed devices to reach those things that were in me.

    I do have fond memories of the tactility and the laying out and meditations, as you say, the ritual.
    It is a nice dance. Who knows 😏 what I might find when and if I visit once again.

    Hmmm just found a movie that had wanted to see, Terry Gilliam’s “The Man Who Killed Don Quixote”
    No Spoilers please..... I’m saving it for tomorrow evening.
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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 10:03 pm

    Chivo wrote: Carl Jung made his own tarot deck, I have also begun work on my own deck, that is the most potent deck.

    Now that’s what I’ve actually been contemplating. I keep thinking what better time. Doesn’t take a whole lot of material. This afternoon I was thinking Specifically about backing and making my own.

    It’s so true the whole process would bring another dimension...
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 11, 2020 10:05 pm

    I think the purpose of all matter is to reach the things inside of us Wink

    The cards will show you how to use them Wink

    Maybe that first time I pulled three Fools in a row in between shuffles caught my initial attention.

    Correction, a dude made his own cards based on Jung's work.

    Jung did make his own Tarot too, it's called the Red Book.
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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 10:13 pm

    let me put it this way, as a teen stuff happened related to the cards that freaked me. Didn’t scare me away but I eventually felt it was indeed a road inward and outward.

    All day long this subject has not been far from the surface of my thoughts.

    Any suggestions on a good free design app I could use on my iPad Pro?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 11, 2020 10:23 pm

    Yah, they freak me out all the time.

    A scientist would say blind chance.

    Chance isn't blind.

    I would sketch out images on paper.

    i have drawn many images and am starting to organize them into a deck.

    I do my work with Procreate.

    I would definitely get a feel for them again and see where it goes.

    Many decks on ios, The Fool's Dog is a great company that makes great ios decks.



    Many just hand draw decks.
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    Post by whoknows Mon May 11, 2020 10:48 pm

    OH, for sure by hand but I know my creative process. I feel it would help the flow start the design digitally and finish on a ground up material line up. a friend has a space and has been asking me to start making paper for him, a bit stalled right now but no reason not to figure out a medium to finish.

    Yeah, that’s why I mentioned the “Weaver” card deck, maybe “The Wild Unknown” deck.

    I’ll get one or both. 🤷‍�

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