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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

    We only know ourselves.

    Best of luck with that.

    The only Eschaton is the moment we stop lying to ourselves.

    Sadness is a lie.

    Ignorance is all it is.

    Anyone can look into the matter.

    It is not my concern who does or doesn’t do this, but I’d always encourage anyone I meet to seek into themselves and what and how they think and feel.

    I can teach a person to fish, but they learn it only after they do the work.

    Now, if god or the devil, the sun or moon or the wind want to stop by and have a chat, they know where I am.

    I can show god and the devil they are full of shit.

    I can dance for joy under the sun and moon.

    And my farts and words and life can blow away in the wind.

    Then I’ll be done here.

    My mind simply can’t contain or control the joy of my body.

    If you can’t beat em, join em.
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    Post by dan Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:47 pm

    “It is not my concern...........”

    Yes, Eric, you said it all.  

    That is the sum total of your philosophy.  

    Your philosophy ends precisely where the world begins.

    It ends at the entrance to your cave.  

    It disturbs you so much to see the folks outside, walking about in the sunlight.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:54 pm

    The world you have imagined is not the real world.

    “So the person who knows what is good is also the person who knows how to love.”

    — (Epictetus’ Discourses, Bk II 22.3)

    “Perfection of character is this: to live each day as if it were your last, without frenzy, without apathy, without pretence.”

    — (Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations, 7.69)

    I will leave the frenzy and urgency to the fools who call themselves Eschatologists.

    No one can tell you about death.

    Do you know who becomes an escapologist, I mean eschatologist?

    The one least able to love their lives.

    It’s their time to waste.

    But a great tragedy in this comic land.

    There is no need for sadness when we can laugh at it all.

    Let’s just keep it to the weather and life between us Dan.

    The weather is beautiful here today.

    The sun is shining, solstice is powerful.

    I enjoyed the morning with my hands in the dirt sweating onto the flowers.

    I had a lovely dog walk with the pack and now I am chillin 😎 after a lovely cheese plate.

    I spent some of the day taking care of the corals and fish tank. They were hungry.

    Spent some time chatting with a confused older gentlemen, early senility, lucky him.

    How is your day goin?

    If this was my last day, I lived it well.

    Hope you did too.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:03 pm

    “For the most part, we can manage ourselves; other people, not so much.”
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    Post by dan Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:09 pm

    I guess there is a failure of imagination...... in failing to imagine the Parousia.  

    It baffled your mother...... it almost baffles chick 🐥.  

    As the problems multiply, there will be more of this turning inward.  

    It is our last refuge.

    But, as a budding physics student, I was able to imagine solving the energy problem.  

    I don’t suppose you’ve ever been able to imagine such a thing.  

    I never outgrew that vision...... but it did transform.  

    It would be beyond your ken.  

    You truly cannot grasp cosmology...... I guess it frightens you..... overwhelms you.  

    It has overwhelmed the modern mind.

    I could not grasp it, either...... not until I met Sophia.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:28 pm

    As simple life seems to overwhelm you.

    The best thing Jesus could have done was hang up the first coming robe and quit it, settle down with Mary Magdalene and had some little ones and some goats and eaten some oats.

    That sounds ok to me.

    I’ll leave the imagining to the lost.
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    Post by dan Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:34 pm

    I’m only beginning to fathom the depth of your acosmicity!

    There is a breathtaking obtuseness....... lack of vision.  

    But that’s mostly between you and your mom...... I imagine.

    Such is the difference between the gnostic and the mystic.....

    ...... between the cosmic and the acosmic.  

    Phew 😅........ I’m not quite sure why that took almost four years?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:26 pm

    Sticks and stones grand pa.

    My obtuseness is much greater than you could possibly imagine.

    I’m gonna take your imagination and roll it up here in my joint.

    And we gonna smoke dis shiznit.

    Ack, Dan doesn’t realize who the dude is.

    He keeps looking for rational answers from smelly goat.

    I’m as liable to tell you the exact date the sun will die as I am to make any sense to the likes of one so clever as you.

    For you biblical ones, you will observe how the wisdom of the smelly goat shames the deluded confused mind.

    Bahahahahaha

    Times running out for you.

    Just slippin slippin slippin into the future.



    It flows and flows into the future.



    The sun in your eyes has blinded you.

    Just hold your hand up until you can see it.

    I can read your mind...
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:29 am

    To realize the Dude is to be the Dude.

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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:29 am

    134 days till Nov. 3rd.
    Until then, ANYTHING GOES


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    Post by dan Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:54 am

    1300z..........

    acosmist. Noun. (plural acosmists) One who denies the existence of the universe, or of a universe as distinct from God.
    Hmmm 🤔....... maybe chick 🐥 is an acosmist..... just by being a monist.  This word may have to better defined, going forward.  


    1410.........

    99,

    It’s been awhile since you stopped by.  

    I have to wonder whether the simultaneous appearance of the like-buttons, on each post, is your exercising of administrative functions in lieu of Cy.  

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I do find these buttons to be intrusive, and not in the spirit of open mindedness.  

    I will try to give you a call...... in a bit......


    In the meantime, Eric’s dismissal of most every human attribute is uncalled for..... moving beyond the envelope of humanity.  

    His latest target is imagination........ besides rationality...... that being his biggest target.  

    Again, we see Eric Garza attempting to shut down discussion on the Open Minds Forum....... or, at least, to dismiss any basis for that discussion.  


    Back to the definition of acosmic........

    Word usage will need to be re-examined, in the light of an impending MoAPS...... the anticipated Mother of All Paradigm Shifts.  

    A related word is agnosis.

    In this same venue are the words gnostic and mystic.

    In general use, there is conspiracy overlap of these last two words.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:01 am

    Not shutting anything down.

    I’m right here in the middle of life.

    We just sharing our opinions.

    Not against imagination, just ungrounded speculation, and even then I’m not against that, just amused by how simple life is and how hard we try to make it.

    The universe is always immediately here for me.

    Nothing is hidden.

    Best that way in the BPW.

    I don’t think you or anyone can pull a better rabbit out of the hat than being here.

    Nothing else compares.
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    Post by dan Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:18 am

    1520........

    Chivo,

    Ok, thanks for your elaboration.  

    Yes, the opportunity that all of us have, automatically, to participate in Creation is the biggest miracle of all.

    But this fact does beg the question of free will, and how free will may be exercised in the best possible world BPW.  

    I mean, I’m a big fan of John Wheeler’s Participatory Universe, but how exactly is it that we are participating........?  
    It from bit symbolizes the idea that every item of the physical world has at bottom — a very deep bottom, in most instances — an immaterial source and explanation; that which we call reality arises in the last analysis from the posing of yes-no questions and the registering of equipment-evoked responses; in short, that all things physical are information-theoretic in origin and that this is a participatory universe.
     
    This is ok, but understand that bits of information don’t exist in the BPW.  ‘It from bit’ suggests that our world is being constructed from the bottom up.

    I disagree........ it’s constructed from the top down.  

    What does this have to say about free will?  

    Now, Chivo doesn’t like me to speculate, but that’s all that chick 🐥 knows how to do.  

    I speculate that our freedom begins and ends in love.  

    I speculate that there is nothing outside of love.  

    Understand that hate is merely the shadow of love.  

    Hate is merely the adumbration of love.  

    Are we free to love?

    What is love without freedom?

    If we can’t be with the one we love..... we love the one we’re with.  

    Therein lies our freedom.  


    1600........

    I mean...... the BPW is like shooting fish 🐠 in barrel.  

    It’s not..... to be or not to be......

    Rather....... it is to love or not to love....... is the question.  

    We want to be...... one with the One.  

    Most of us don’t know how to be...... One.  

    Eric claims to know...... but doesn’t know how to explain it.  

    chick 🐥 claims to be explaining it......  in his own plodding way.  

    The first part of my explanation is that I got bored 😐...... being one with the One...... that’s why I’m here now, with Eric, explaining that we’re all better off....... being here, now, than being one with the One.  

    This is approximately what Ack learned from the Princess 👸..... after a nearly spontaneous portal excursion.  

    Isn’t that right, Ack?  

    Or, maybe that’s not quite right........

    After we’ve been one with the One, we’ll much better appreciate how, being here now is...... can be.... the same as being one with the One.  

    Well, ok, if we do it right, it’s better than being one with the One ☝.  

    Tell chick 🐥 that he’s wrong, Eric.  And why did I have to steal the words out of your mouth?  

    That’s why we want to spend most of our time here, and not there.  

    Yes?  


    1700........

    But there is a caveat.........

    I mean, there’s got to be a caveat.



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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:39 am

    Dan, I didn't add the "Like" buttons but if they are going to remain up there, one would hope that some improvement could be made in the "design" dept. lol

    If that could be changed, I have nothing against the concept.

    I'll check out the hosting company to find out more about them. Am wondering if they added this feature to all of the forums.

    Update: Just checked this out and those "buttons" have been added to all of the forums. One must have access to the forum's graphic design codes to get rid of them. Cy would have to be contacted to resolve this issue.
    Having said this, it looks like the buttons can't be customized to fit the forum... at least at the present time.

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    Post by dan Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:03 am

    99,

    Please...... yes...... thanks.

    They just showed up, for the first time, today.

    They certainly do nothing to contribute to the spirit of a free discussion.

    This is not meant to be a popularity contest....... although, we might hope the best possible world 🌎 would be popular....... eventually.

    I mean, can 7,794,798,739 folks be wrong?



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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:09 am

    Ha! Looks like they customized those buttons... at least on my end. Dan, if you don't like them, please let Cy know. They show how to get rid of them at forum's hosting site.

    Dan, did a re-think on this and agree with your sentiments on why we shouldn't have them up there. I'll contact Cy about this.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:38 am

    What I learned from the Princess is the one thing that's permanent.

    Love

    Olaf Knows

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:05 pm

    No one wants to merge into One.

    That’s abdicating your being.

    We ourselves feel divided and we wish the battle over.

    I don’t wonder or care about free will.

    It’s just life dude.

    There are no real questions about life.

    How do you participate?

    Straight on.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:20 pm

    Yep

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    Post by dan Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:19 pm

    99,

    Thank you, I appreciate it.
    ..........


    Chivo.........
    No one wants to merge into One.

    That’s abdicating your being.

    We ourselves feel divided and we wish the battle over.

    In the BPW there is only one (primordial) being, all the rest is pratītyasamutpāda........ are relative illusions.

    Merging back into the primordial Source is not necessarily compulsory....... you won’t be dragged, kicking and screaming 😱.



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    Post by dan Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:51 am

    1200z.........

    Being one with the One, and being alone with the Alone must be pretty much the same thing....... and not all they are cracked up to be.  

    Nirvana and Heaven......... ditto.  

    Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so many of us down here.  

    Like the guy on the Monday morning elevator ride........ you are probably wondering why you have been called together......... we’re about to find out.  

    The fastest way to the Alone is through the One...... and all you have to do is follow the light...... or, really, just don’t get sucked into the dark.  

    Yes, there are many roadside attractions, but, after awhile, you realize...... seen one, seen them all.  

    Chivo is worried 😟 about having to surrender his own, hard won, being.  

    Come on, Chivo....... once you’ve seen Paris, it’s gonna be hard to keep you down in the garden.  

    Not many who have been through the portal wish to return...... other than through a sense of obligation.  

    No, you’re not gonna wanna come back until you’ve been one with the One, and alone with the Alone.  

    Then you will hardly be able to wait.  

    Straight on........ not a whole lot of free will, there.  

    It’s on the blue byways that you get to exercise free will, and kill your grandpa 👴🏾...... poor gramps.  

    If you wish to lay down your net, be prepared to walk away with the Lord...... but don’t ask chick 🐥........ ask smelly 🐐...... and don’t look 👀 back...... straight on.  

    It may profit you not to gain the world, if you lose your soul.  

    But, if you can set aside your self, you will gain the cosmic Self, and then be alone with the Alone.  

    That’s what Merge City 🌃 is about.  

    Of course, I’ll readily concede that, smelly is being alone with the Alone, precisely when he is up to elbows in the dirt..... same thing.  

    Yes, and the mathematician can work it out with a pencil.......when she has lost herself in Riemann’s hypothesis is precisely when she is alone with the Alone.  

    The snail.......... has never not been alone with the Alone.  


    1340.......

    Setting aside the self can take myriad forms......... stamp collecting..... being a nurse..... embracing vegas and smelly...... riding the tide through the golden gate after sunset....... we’ve all been there.  



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    Post by GSB Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:43 am

    Soft power update ... MIT Tech Review: "Now that K-pop is a meme, it also has the potential to be weaponized."

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/23/1004336/tiktok-teens-kpop-stans-trump-resistance-its-complicated/

    The Committee directs the DNI, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of such other agencies ... to submit a report ... on unidentified aerial phenomena (also known as ‘‘anomalous aerial vehicles’’)

    https://govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRPT-116srpt233/pdf/CRPT-116srpt233.pdf


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    Post by dan Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:50 pm

    2150.........

    Thank you, Gary,

    Interesting 🧐 stuff.  
    ...........


    I consider myself to be a gnostic, cosmologist, and personalist.  

    But, according to the definition, I’m also an acosmist...... God being one with the world.  

    Well, on second thought, I guess I’m saying that the world is in God.  

    And who is God?

    Well, we have met God, and she is us.  

    Or, we’re gonna be her.  

    But Chivo doesn’t want to have to give up his precious being, in order to be one with God.  

    I don’t think Chivo quite understands the deal that is on offer.  

    The deal is sort of like having our cake and eating it, too.  

    We can have our precious selves and still be one with the One ☝..... and alone with the Alone.  

    This is what personhood is all about.  

    How so........?

    The cosmic Self is at the bottom of everything.  

    Dig deep....... doggie in the bottom of the pot.  

    Pratītyasamutpāda has to start somewhere....... it starts with the primordial observer....... the I Am, who is surely alone with the Alone.  

    We become one with the primordial Observation......... of the Abyss..... with the primordial dark night of the soul.  

    Just do a DNS......... that is when we are truly alone with the Alone...... been there, done ✅ that.  

    That is when the sky 🌌 fell on my little noggin 🐥 , 1966.  

    That was the primordial cosmic chirp....... a slight re-enactment thereof.  

    Chivo is afraid 😱 of the cosmic chirp...... 🐥 ..... chirp, chirp!  


    2320.........

    All we have to do is connect the dots....... 7,793,399,999 dots.  

    Come on in, Chivo...... the water is great 👍.

    I’m still trying to connect with one ☝ dot....... then there will only be 7,793,399,998 dots to go.

    99 bottles of beer 🍺 on wall, 99 bottles of beer........

    Yes, us chicks 🐥, we have to choose our shots.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:17 pm

    I don't think I have a choice really Dan.

    I just don't confuse being with the future.

    I don't have to explain it.

    Not anymore.

    Let us consider what a God who retreated to allow us to be would be like.

    Nothing surely this dimension could see beyond matter.

    But in the 4th dimension, object just appear and disappear.

    I think my way demands more courage than the security of your thoughts Dan.

    I have to accept not knowing or needing anything resolved.

    I am here in spite of what I feel or think about it.

    That tells us something maybe about the nature of this.

    We have freedom to think and feel what we like.

    We don't need to accept what we think and feel.

    Who or what accepts or not accepts?

    You are very far away from my understanding and experience atm.

    I can't relate to ists and isms.

    But since you mention me as deficient somehow, I assure you, I am not.

    I am 'mostly' wholly here and myself.

    What I feel and think about changes over time, my body is always changing, but I am not driven any longer by what I think or feel, I mean, I have to go along with my body unless I don't want to be here anymore. I don't have to accept thoughts or feelings as any final arbiter.

    I AM the final arbiter.

    Well, who am I to decide whether to be here or not?

    That seems quite presumptuous to leave with a body that was given to me and grown just for me.

    That is actually incredible upon contemplation.

    So when one looks deeply into life and themselves, they can see the illusions of the world quite clearly, but we don't have to dispel them really.

    We can just accept things and live here with all of this.

    This is my chosen way of being.

    I like to have fun with the mind and heart, so I quite enjoy jousting with others about how they feel and about what they think.

    I will often use absurdity and take contrary positions to flush them out.

    People love to expose their ignorance.

    Dan struggles, as we all do, what to think about all this.

    I think we need struggle to be.

    As wonderful as our modern world can be, it has winners and losers.

    When the winners pick up the losers, then we may be getting somewhere.

    Losing and winning though, are just states or ways of being.

    I will not call myself a person, that is made up.

    I be this way.

    You be your way.

    We can and should all go our own way with being.

    But we are connected in this time and place to everything else in this time and place.

    If by nothing else than the Earth we walk on together, air we breathe or the Sun and Moon we live under.

    I don't have to take a shot.

    I am lacking nothing.

    I have nothing to resolve or become.
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    Post by 99 Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:46 pm

    Sent a couple of PM's to the head honcho here but am dismayed (and perhaps maybe even a little perplexed) that those "Like" buttons are still here. Nothing more I can do about it but now that they blend in more with the forum's decor, just pretend that they aren't there.

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