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Post by dan Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:34 pm

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Topic reminder.......

We’ll see whether this thread disappears or not......


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Post by GSB Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:21 am

Foot Mann wrote:The Chicken may have his head in the Sand, but in his mind he is playing a Baby Grand. For the Chicken can press the keys in an Order, that for some it will seem like an open Border. The Chicken may not disclose much at all, but he is the Discloser and he is having a Ball.




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Post by GSB Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:39 am

Dan: Of course, the many worlds folks love to argue against the small world.  The chick 🐥 avoids that particular conceptual trap.  I’ll leave it to Gary and Mad Max.  

Other worlds = other times (D. Deutsch) but the FUN-da-MENTAL question should be, "Why do I (we) find myself (ourselves) in this particular small world and not another?"  (given the vast set of times and places and perceptions of the same).

An extension of the above would add, "And if the world branches (as in quantum many worlds) why does my consciousness perceive a self in this particular branch and not the other?"

Since the true nature of the experience of consciousness remains a mystery (more so if one accepts anecdotal evidence for perceptions that defy local physical laws) we are free to speculate on alternative models where aspects of consciousness partake in the world branch selection process (see Michael Mensky https://arxiv.org/abs/1407.2627). Note that this adhoc elevation of the role of consciousness might be viewed as a natural selection at the mental level towards a best possible small (in the context of the many worlds) world.


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Post by RunningBull Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:36 am

GSB wrote:Dan: Of course, the many worlds folks love to argue against the small world.  The chick 🐥 avoids that particular conceptual trap.  I’ll leave it to Gary and Mad Max.  

Other worlds = other times (D. Deutsch) but the FUN-da-MENTAL question should be, "Why do I (we) find myself (ourselves) in this particular small world and not another?"  (given the vast set of times and places and perceptions of the same).

An extension of the above would add, "And if the world branches (as in quantum many worlds) why does my consciousness perceive a self in this particular branch and not the other?"

Since the true nature of the experience of consciousness remains a mystery (more so if one accepts anecdotal evidence for perceptions that defy local physical laws) we are free to speculate on alternative models where aspects of consciousness partake in the world branch selection process (see Michael Mensky https://arxiv.org/abs/1407.2627). Note that this adhoc elevation of the role of consciousness might be viewed as a natural selection at the mental level towards a best possible small (in the context of the many worlds) world.

You might have hit the nail on the head there.
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Post by dan Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:51 am

Gary,

Yes, foot may soon be smiling out of the other side of his mouth.  

And, yes, there may be many virtual worlds, but there is only one unity of consciousness....... we call it........ ‘Now’!  

Yes, all the greatest minds in the world can explain the past...... they even have the temerity to try to explain the future.  

But just ask them to explain Now, and they look away in embarrassed 😞 silence.  

More from Mark.......
Perhaps the more painful thought is not that we are witness to the end times, but that we are just on the business end of history’s business-as-usual — that we are in no way special.

In the original Greek, the word apocalypse means simply a revelation, an uncovering. And so there is one sense in which these days are truly, literally, apocalyptic. The world itself is being revealed with a startling and surreal clarity.

Much of what is being revealed is ugly: the rot of inequality in the bones of our societies, the lethal inefficiency of free-market capitalism, the bewildering cruelty and stupidity of many of the people in positions of apparent leadership. But there are beautiful things, too, being revealed with great clarity and force. Of these, the one that gives me the most hope in this sad and frightening time is that despite the damage done by the presiding ideology of individualism, there remains a determination to act out of a sense of shared purpose.


noon/ft/gmt-3...........

There are many conspiracy theories afloat....... some of them from high places.  

Chicken Little 🐥 has a conspiracy theory......... SARS-CoV-2 is the best possible virus 🦠 at the best possible time....... to stop the world 🌎.... more or less in its tracks.  There will be BCE (before the corona era) and ACE, and the twain shall not meet again.  

Business as usual goes out with a bang....... not with a whimper.  

This is the Earth’s 🌎 born again....... portal experience.  

This portal will not make the headlines, but it will become the subtext of every narrative, going forward.


1:15........

This is Disclosure...... which is Revelation...... which is the Apocalypse.  

The scoffers will say that this relatively mild little virus 🦠 is much too gentle to wake us up.  We need something much more dramatic.  

We have a choice........ glory in the clouds or stealthy feet on the ground.  

Our choice has already been made for us....... beyond space & time.  

Let’s win this one ☝ for Chicken Little 🐥.  If no one else wants it, may the best possible conspiracy theory win.  



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Post by FatThorDude Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:56 am

dan wrote:smelly,

The circumstances are stacked against us........?

Opinion
This Is Not the End of the World and You Are Not a Prepper
The prepper vision of the world is bleak and ruthless. Something better is happening now.

By Mark O’Connell
Mr. O’Connell is the author of the forthcoming “Notes From an Apocalypse.”
March 21, 2020

“Seriously, gogo, the world is not going to end.”

True, but...... this is the beginning of the end of the illusion of history.  This is where the private sphere begins to retake the public sphere.  This is the beginning of our final participation.  



(cont........)

You know nothing really ends.

It just comes back to where it began.

Where the ouroboros catches its tail.

That is one reason when I go wade into the moment I meet centaurs.

I meet cyclops.

I meet the golden ones.

My song is not one of death.

My song is sacred absurdity.

The worm is in the heart, you must go into the heart to find it.

To go into and beyond nihilism, you have to practice nihilism.

To go beyond madness, one must go mad.

I am not mad, I’m glad.

I am losing nothing in death or otherwise.

I only gain as I yield more and more.

Why all so afraid of death?

Death is not the enemy, but a friend.

One can only go beyond death, through its embrace.

Are the only choices hope or suicide?

No.

Just this.

Perhaps the end of history is letting Sisyphus’ stone role down and finish its work Wink

Who are you beyond hope and destruction?

That is who you really are.

Take a good look at the moment muppets.

This is what it is.

Not your future not your past, this.

Takes courage to not know.

To swim in not knowing.

Only then will you see the Golden Dawn.

But it is real.

It is all that’s ever happening.

And we live in denial of it.

But you can’t and you won’t be able to escape it.

Might as well make the best of it.

Even though few can hear me, I know not to live in silence.

I know to speak of what is not known.

I am alone with the alone.

But also here with all of this.

That is a truly strange state of mind.
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Post by dan Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:32 pm

I just want to say that if this is a conspiracy, and it turns out to be the best possible conspiracy, at the best possible time......... then we might as well let 🐥 own it....... just for Auld Lang Syne.......

Is that OK with you goat 🐐 👦?

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Post by hobbit Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:58 pm

Went fishing yesterday, caught pike/perch and zander.

Lovely day, been working today at a recycle centre.

Will be going fishing tomorrow.

Can't quite believe the brain washing, and how effective it is presently.

There is no virus, there is a condition brought on by radiation at 60 ghz.


Watch out for the bogey corona virus, it's everywhere, it's behind You.

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Post by FatThorDude Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:11 pm

Either way, you can have it all chicken.

When you are sitting around the old afterlife table.

I’ll give it all to you.

And you will have to give me my due as well.

We can all laugh about it.

Hey, I’m laughing now.

Why wait to give each his due?

We can all have life abundantly.

No want or fear of want.

That’s really the world we live in.

We just have to get those in power to remove their boot from our necks.

Unfortunately unless we kill them or they die, I fear the powerful can never let go.

Power has corrupted everything.

I don’t think this is a conspiracy, well, it has always only been a conspiracy of dunces.

Our whole world is inside out with the illusion of power and the empty promises of knowledge.

But so what, that’s their delusion.

Hobbit fishing is all god has to say on the matter.
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Post by FatThorDude Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:59 pm

House of 5 Mexican boys next door coughing and vomiting in the front yard.

This is not a drill.

They sounded horrible.

I must say, with it right next door, my existential wanderings have a new color and feeling.

It is happening now.

And I am fully in the middle of it.

No hiding now.

No net.

A philosophy not born of pain and challenge isn’t worth a goat shit.

This is the tempering.

This is the heat.

The chest fever is laughing.

Sometimes you just have to tell shit...

Go to fucking Hell.

While you whistle along the way.

Oh, what big teeth you have big bad Wolf.

The better to eat your goatee ass with he sneerz.

Wolfie Wolfie, let’s be friends.

I’ll open the door.

No need to blow my house in.

Well, that would be just fine.

Let’s have a nice wine and dine.

Before the end timez.

And so we will.

Hmm, what do I talk about with a wolf?

Wolfie, how was your last meal I gulped?

A smile curls around large teeth.

Oh my.

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Post by dan Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:34 pm

The corona virus may not be something for us to sneeze at.  

It will certainly be a major reset for the global economy.  

There will have to be major economic adjustments.  

We have suffered a sneak attack by deadly enemy.  

Should we be looking forward to getting back on a peacetime footing?  

Or are we just catching a whiff of gunpowder?  

...... a whiff of a long prophesied Apocalypse?  

Is the sky falling, my little feathered friends?  

Are you a nay sayer?  Am I a doom sayer?  

Are there limits to material..... quantitative progress?

Is the corona foreshadowing those limits?  

Is the corona a shot across the bow of our mindless material juggernaut?  Is it meant to call us back to our senses?  

...... back to our innermost senses?  

Is the Corona our news from Nowhere?  

‘Surely, some revelation is at hand.....’

Is the world of unlimited horizons closing down on us?  

Are there hidden dimensions that need our attention to open up?  

Much of my news from Nowhere has come from Ron and Aliyah.

Where are they, now that Disclosure is no longer just an option for us loons?  

Will foot ever be able to stop cracking wise?  

Ever since I met him, almost thirty years ago, foot has been anticipating an Extinction Level Event.  

He sniffs at the Corona........ nah, not nearly up to the task.  

Chicken Little 🐥 begs to differ.  He does not turn up his nose at whatever God might choose to send.  

If God has ordained that Ron and Aliyah are to give chick 🐥 the cold shoulder........ then so be it.  I wonder when they last prayed for guidance.  

Who or what has turned their hearts? Maybe smelly can explain this to us.

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Post by Foot Mann Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:28 pm

President Trump stood tough against China for unfair trade and finance practices, and China responded with a bold attack on the West unleashing yet another virus to destabilize our economy. Chickens and Pansies are sticking their heads in the sand, but a few brave patriots are standing tough and preparing an appropriate response.
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Post by RunningBull Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:35 pm

Foot Mann wrote:President Trump stood tough against China for unfair trade and finance practices, and China responded with a bold attack on the West unleashing yet another virus to destabilize our economy.  Chickens and Pansies are sticking their heads in the sand, but a few brave patriots are standing tough and preparing an appropriate response.

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Post by dan Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:26 pm

A recent text exchange........
Are you having fun yet?

I hadn't quite thought of it that way, Princess....... but if you insist..... I'll try harder.  



foot,

Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord.  

If SARS-CoV-2 was a Godsend, then the Chinese Communists are doing God’s work.  

You might consider what Chicken Little says before you pull the trigger.  

And, Ron, if you carefully consider the question of the Princess, you will see that it only adds credence to my prayerful admonition.

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Post by GSB Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:45 am

Dan: "You might consider what Chicken Little says before you pull the trigger."

"Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'"


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Post by @awestruckt Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:02 am

Are the Princess Chronicles still being published? I somehow got dropped off the d-list....
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Post by dan Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:58 am

So far, the virus seems mainly to have reinforced the status of our existing scientific and economic paradigms.  

This is entirely understandable...... certainly as our initial reaction.  

That a pandemic might bring us to question our collective future....... as simply an indefinite continuation of our material and quantitative achievements, is still only a vague possibility.  

One could hope that a global pandemic might, at least, forestall a global armed conflict, but even that hope does not seem to match an increase in tensions on the ground.  

If there are any limits to our material progress, would a pandemic, coming toward the end of those limits, serve for us as an historical marker, somewhat as the pandemic of a century ago helped to mark a beginning?

In this fashion, economic growth goes out with a bang, rather than a whimper.



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Post by hobbit Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:49 pm

dan wrote:So far, the virus seems mainly to have reinforced the status of our existing scientific and economic paradigms.  

This is entirely understandable...... certainly as our initial reaction.  

That a pandemic might bring us to question our collective future....... as simply an indefinite continuation of our material and quantitative achievements, is still only a vague possibility.  

One could hope that a global pandemic might, at least, forestall a global armed conflict, but even that hope does not seem to match an increase in tensions on the ground.  



(cont........)

There is no virus, there is a consequence of an increased electric field radiation , this is all created, shut off the 5g and it will all stop, a virus is the cells reaction to been poisoned, it is not passed from one to another, stop buying the lies, I thought You were intelligent.



https://neoanthroposophy.com/2018/02/08/rudolf-steiner-on-the-effects-of-radiant-electricity-electro-magnetic-radiation-and-electric-technology/

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Post by dan Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:15 pm

hobbit,

I am sympathetic with your Luddism.

And trust chicken little 🐥, the sky, right now, is falling on our modern, technocratic regime.  

Understand, however, that God is a dramatist.  God will keep us entertained with our 5G phones while She plops the sky right on our little noggins.  

Creation was meant to be a veritable circus.   Who doesn’t love I love you a circus/celebration 🎪?   Don’t you, hobbit?  Think of this as celebrating our mission accomplished.  

This is our going away party.  Don’t you want to celebrate our going away?  God forbid...... you might even miss us a tiny little bit, when we are gone, and out of your hair, hobbit.  

I mean sometimes humans can be amusing....... no?  

All this Earth will then be yours....... and you get to watch it being returned to Nature, right before your eyes.  

Don’t you just love this best possible small world?  


And, hobbit, you might be wondering how this marvelous disappearing act will be accomplished.  

I think we can both agree that it had best not happen in an Armageddon, especially not a nuclear one, as so many of my Christian colleagues seem to believe....... or, at least, they used to.  

Another possibility that is often bandied about are various schemes of depopulation....... usually by biological means..... including involuntary fertility reduction.  Some consider our pandemic to be one such attempt.  

The irony is that the baby bump from all this sheltering in place is liable to have quite the contrary effect.

And what about those alleged portals?  Sure, many might want to visit the other side, but how many, short of the old age home, would really want to pick up sticks?  And, even at a truly advanced age, many folks do want to hang on to those last moments.  Who could blame them?  

And, just from the looks of things, many on the other side are still desperate to get back over here.  And, again, who amongst us can blame them?  



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Post by Chim Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:36 pm

gone fishing...
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Post by jofo Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:49 pm

hobbit wrote:

There is no virus, there is a consequence of an increased electric field radiation , this is all created, shut off the 5g and it will all stop, a virus is the cells reaction to been poisoned, it is not passed from one to another, stop buying the lies, I thought You were intelligent.

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there has been only a very limited deployment of 5G in Italy, in five cities at small scale as of Jan 1, 2020.  try again...
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Post by FatThorDude Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:54 pm

Well snowflakes, I hope you’re loving the life you have.

Gotta take the good with the bad.

The preachers of doom have gone insane and forgotten themselves.

Remind them.

Remember what Richard Feynman said...

Nature has a much better imagination than you.

So relax...go fishin.

Hobbit trusts nature.

El Chivo trusts nature.

So relax and enjoy the days and nights you have.

I trust nature more than any thought of any man or woman.

Any part can know the whole but not hold the whole.

Just play your part.

We all are humbled by our great mother and father.

Have some respect for life and death and for each other maybe.

Us mammals care.

I find living between the sky and the ground in the heart the best strategy to face a rise or fall.

The fall is here.

I do not take pleasure in humans dying.

Stay calm.

Safe passage to you.
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Post by hobbit Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:10 am

jofo wrote:
hobbit wrote:

There is no virus, there is a consequence of an increased electric field radiation , this is all created, shut off the 5g and it will all stop, a virus is the cells reaction to been poisoned, it is not passed from one to another, stop buying the lies, I thought You were intelligent.

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there has been only a very limited deployment of 5G in Italy, in five cities at small scale as of Jan 1, 2020.  try again...

Look to the sky, your friendly orbiting satellites.
This is about directional phase ray antennae.

I am not "trying" anything, if You want to believe what You are been told, fine.

Gone fishing.

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Post by FatThorDude Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:12 am

Let me get this straight, despair is not a fact, it’s a state of mind.

The very state of sin.

Sin is what separates us from god.

“The absurd is sin without god.”

This is living in the state of absurdity, humanities current state.

This darkness is my light.

The absurd mind adopts despair, it’s only choice.

If the bottomless void undergirds all things what could stop the despair?

Negation is the existential god.

The search begins finding no meaning in the world and it ends finding depth and meaning in it...entwined with you.

One falls from reason into irrationality...

Must it end in inanity?

Only if you’re doin it right Wink

The way doesn’t matter, your will to arrive will suffice.
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Post by dan Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:25 am

You wanted a problem, now find a solution.

Thank you, Princess!

Yes, our biggest problem is that we have no problem, except for what is staring us in the face.  

And everyone else is correct.  It’s not actually a problem, at all....... it’s just a whopper of a puzzle.  So let’s just sit back and enjoy figuring out how ’Nature’ has already figured out how to solve the best possible Eschaton puzzle.

Just keep in mind that this very finely tuned Eschaton (🍷?!) (hey, I just work here..... that was just a random typo, I swear!) is the best possible ending to our very finely tuned, best possible world 🌎.  

And, don’t worry 😉, sports 🏀 lovers 💗, we’re all gonna end up in the same Monad/Source, and the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.  Hmmm....... is that TMI, Princess?  

And, see, you can’t take any advice too literally...... it’s more like...... after you, Alphonse....... civility comes in first.  

The only thoughtful reaction is amazement....... at the cosmic choreography.  Somebody tell 🐥 that he’s wrong.  

The take away, sports 🏀 lovers 💗, is that, no, Virginia, after our little virus 🦠 drama, we won’t be going back to business as usual.  

Things might start getting really insane...... for all you loonies out there.  


8:50/ft/gmt-3..........

Perhaps we should call this the Anthropic Eschaton.  

But, do keep in mind the admonition of my grand goddaughter.......

Seriously 😒, gogo, the world is not going to end.  

But, never fear, us ender benders(?) will still be getting our money’s worth.  



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Post by hobbit Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:40 am

"Loonies"

You don't think that religious fanatics, such as Christians are thought of as loonies?


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