Who do we think we are?

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Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)

Ok, then what was to be the point of the Second Coming?

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Aaron,

And what form was that second intervention to take...... to bring all the sheep into the One Fold?

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Aaron,

I believe so.

And I doubt that we can have a MoAPS without a MoAPSer, who would be an essential part of the Trinity.

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Now, all we have to do is to explain this to the smelly One.

smelly, along with every other mystic, is going to claim that there is no Creation, and, therefore, no truth.  

What the mystics can’t explain or even admit is the simple fact that ours is a shared illusion.  

Could they even imagine that our shared illusion is redeemable?  

We are here because of our bad karma.....?

smelly is too smart to say this.  He never complains.  We’ll have to hand that to him.  


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What he doesn’t deny is that there are a lot of ‘muppets’ out there.  

Muppetdom is a mystery to him.  

smelly is without complaint, and also without curiosity.  

Hardly even human.  He does deny his personhood, of course.  

What I won’t deny is that smelly has been delivered unto us..... for some obscure reason.



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If Dan rejects me, I really am cooking with gas.

No, not solipsism at all, just focused here and you are not.

You guys are in fantasylandz.

We can see the contrast between religious delusion and simply being here.

Interesting, huh?

The way is so simple it makes me smile.

You are immediately here when you drop your delusions.

Keep pecking out your measly existence you have settled for Chicken Little.

I’m clouds.

"Creation"

Is occurring constantly, humans are no different to bugs.
Consciousness empowers creation by compressing into pre programmed seeds of whatever, those seeds have evolved and evolved from the simplest of life forms.

There is no super god making this, that is the thinking of subservient slave like people who cannot fathom the simple.

Those who bow down to such are weak , and rightly termed as sheep like.


They are herded into so called temples, which are actually brain washing centres to repeat the self same doctrine like parrots.


These so called religions are then used for control over the silly ones who adhere to such.


Hobbit

smelly,

You refer to our religious delusion.......

Fine, but it goes along with our delusion of space and time.  

In other words, we’re having trouble locating what you refer to as ‘here’.  


hobbit,

And who was the programmer of the original seed?  

Allow me to help you out, please.......

I posit a primordial potentiality or potency, if you will.

That primordial Potency cannot be merely an object, it must include a subjective aspect.  And this subjective aspect cannot merely be sentient.  There must be self awareness, and that implies sapience.  

It implies personhood.  

No?  

Your main problem, hobbit, is that you are assuming the pre-existence of space and time.  

Based on modern physics, that is a very big assumption.  

Nowadays, all existence is relative....... and that relativity must include observers, of some sort.  

hobbit, you have not done your homework. You are grasping at ideas out of thin air.

Ideas come from somewhere. Like smelly, you are denying history.



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Former US defense official: We know UFOs are real - here's why that's concerning

https://www.foxnews.com/science/christopher-mellon-official-ufo-sightings-real

"These are reactions between intelligently controlled vehicles operating in and around U.S. military facilities, hence the concern," Mellon explained.

"One: there have been near mid-air collisions so there is a safety issue. Two, there is a vital national security issue which is that our sovereignty is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin," he continued.

Although all of this information is old news to Mellon, it's taken America by storm, and he says we're hardly the only country to have interactions with these objects. Having written extensively about UFO sightings before, Mellon said he's frustrated with the lack of action being taken by the government, as are the Navy pilots who experienced the sightings.

Ya hobbit!

Dan could be trying to force a better answer from us, but the answer is to drop the question and realize who is questioning.

This is what all who seek will find.

Some just are born this way and never compromise their focus here.

Dan, the struggle to realize here appears difficult.

Space and time contain us.

That in no way means delusion is fine in space and time.

Space and time seem to provide a dividing of positive and negative space.

I do not count my self as special.

I speak only for my own reality tunnel.

It is a tunnel.

I have not discovered anything anyone else couldn’t.

I have left my residence and the cosmos was realized at that moment.

This is a story about us.

There is a better way than religious or secular delusion.

All I can do is live it and walk it.

I have nothing to prove or gain or lose.

This is a zero sum game.

The last half of life we get a chance to really be here.

Stop shackling us with your delusions maybe.

As I am welcome here, you are welcome to do as you feel of course.

I simply erase any line you draw.

You don’t have the words for this.

I have my hand on your head keeping you in place while you swing your arms.

**yawn**

That Ack Ack can’t maintain his focus next to your mask is his own opportunity.

As always, a pleasure to converse with you Dan.

A little dab will do ya.

You help make things clearer and clearer day by day in your way.

Gary,

The only one who is currently in the chain of command, and who has been tasked with these issues is Ron.  

He claims to have discussed these issues with the President.  So the President is aware of the situation.  

Any further questions should be posed at a White House press briefing.  

Whoever does the posing would need to have their ducks in a row.  

They would need to be familiar with the chain of command, in its historical context.  

You should be part of that effort, Gary.


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Dan,

What there is.. is geometry, and that geometry enables vortexes of consciousness to compress into 3D physical.


They have evolved and joined in complexity, and humans have failed to keep how simple this is, and instead have sought out complexity.


when they have failed to see the simple they have sought out a superior means of the complexity forming by assigning it to a super clever being, some call a god, and bow down in fear.


They worship this invented super being and build fantastic buildings to congregate and herd together to bolster up and harden this BELIEF, it's all gobbledydook.




Hobbit.

Dan, some of "us" have been working for "them" ;-) See you on "the other side" ...

Gary,

Very good.........

You are already part of the larger coordinated effort.


hobbit,

These geometric figures of yours come embedded in space and time.

Where did space and time come from?  

Like Newton, you want to be an absolutist about space and time.  

Mama don’t allow no absolutists around here.  

I suggest to you that cosmic consciousness is the Source of space and time.  Just ask yourself if it makes any sense to speak of unobservable universes.  

Once you let mind get its foot in the door of your system, it will take over the whole kaboodle.  

The next thing I’m going to ask you is about teleology.  You had better start doing your homework.  

Sentience, by definition, has no conception of geometry. This is where Pythagoras and Plato started their speculations.

You have zero background or interest in philosophy, hobbit.

Does that lack of philosophical curiosity not give you pause?



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GSB/SSR wrote:

I hope You are not "working" with such as pope????/

hobbit

dan wrote:Gary,

Very good.........

You are already part of the larger coordinated effort.


hobbit,

These geometric figures of yours come embedded in space and time.

Where did space and time come from?  

Like Newton, you want to be an absolutist about space and time.  

Mama don’t allow no absolutists around here.  

I suggest to you that cosmic consciousness is the Source of space and time.  Just ask yourself if it makes any sense to speak of unobservable universes.  

Once you let mind get its foot in the door of your system, it will take over the whole kaboodle.  

The next thing I’m going to ask you is about teleology.  You had better start doing your homework.  

Sentience, by definition, has no conception of geometry.  This is where Pythagoras and Plato started their speculations.  

You have zero background or interest in philosophy, hobbit.  

Does that lack of philosophical curiosity not give you pause?  



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Where did Your invented god come from?
Mcdonalds?

hobbit

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You don't know what the steps are Ack, obviously.

There is no such thing as baby steps. Point of fact Ack, you have no idea what is happening to you or how to relate it to others, because it isn't relatable in words.

You guys are caught in your own stories.

Enjoy.

If you are not removing shackles and chains, your own, you are creating them, that has a gravity of its own in your life and those attached to you, which is all of us.

If anyone thinks they are doing something, they are completely deluding themselves and others.

They have taken up a cause to avoid the hard task of looking at themselves and accepting and eating their own fear, so they project it out there on others and things.

One who has seen themselves does not speak the way you fellows do.

I have no idea what you are talking about actually.

Smile like you mean it.

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