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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, sports fans.........

    Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

    Here is the #1 priority question........

    Who the heck do we think we are?  

    I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

    I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
    ..........

    (The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2019 1:38 pm

    Aaron,

    smelly, Alan Watts and virtually any thoughtful person will embrace personal relations as an essential aspect of existence.  

    This is the basic intuition of pantheism.  

    Some of us are not willing to stop there.  

    smelly wants the world to stop.

    He wants to turn the clock back, by unilaterally denying time.

    We all want this, ultimately.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 1:45 pm

    How the Swans Came to the Lake

    You really aren’t seeing this here, are you?

    “... there is a couple of self effacing, double helix of negation in the above Appolonian/Dionysian analysis of 'Religion' ...

    In the east of yoga and buddhism there is an inward looking search for understanding, in the west the abrahamic religions focus of "God" as an external source to be feared and propitiated.

    Unfortunately for the equation they both in history produce the same kind of authoritarian state and it seems just a little odd to me that in the west the draconian thought control produced certain inalienable rights among them militant free thinking.

    While the buddhist civilizations of compassion and respect for nature are more expert and successful with the brutal suppression of the individual.

    Human life and the collective, generational struggle of it seems to mirror the individuals struggle to understand it's self. Moments of compassion and respect and long stretches of struggle as war ... as a participant in a war with an hostile universe bent on imposing as much pain and suffering possible till it kills you ... ‘and did you exchange, a walk on part in the war for a lead roll in a cage?’”

    There are no pure lands beyond here.

    People are beaten down by all of these systems.

    The UFO delusion is no different.

    It goes no further here, as Captain Picard said of the Borg.

    https://www.shambhala.com/how-the-swans-came-to-the-lake-746.html?fbclid=IwAR0d05iLzY1ZW3XCoufD-FZN4oqK9Ng9VgeM-8uZNQwJ_P9_7Vwmtv9XaxE
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 1:46 pm

    Ack wrote:
    So in the whole domain of ways of liberation. There are roots for the stupid people and roots for the intelligent people. And the latter are faster. This was perfectly clearly explained by Wua Nung, the six patriarch of Zen in China. And it’s sutra where he says the difference between the gradual school and the Sudden School is they both arrive at the same point, but the gradual is for slow-witted people and the sudden is for fast witted people. Can you, in other words, find a way that sees into your own nature, sees into the Tao immediately?  

    There is no such thing as progression through time.

    The person sitting in the train station reading the newspaper is not the same person who will get off the train.

    The person sitting here now reading this is not the same person who will die.

    Our seeming to go along in a course of time doesn't really happen.

    A path there is but no one who follows it.

    Nirvana is but no one who attains it.

    And what of the Bodhisattva?

    Is the Bodhisattva is just a deluded fool?

    You have no idea what you mean.

    Anyone with a name for here is a limited fool.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 1:50 pm

    dan wrote:Aaron,

    smelly, Alan Watts and virtually any thoughtful person will embrace personal relations as an essential aspect of existence.  

    This is the basic intuition of pantheism.  

    Some of us are not willing to stop there.  


    (cont.......)

    What you will is irrelevant.

    What you be here is another matter.

    Your life has not satisfied you.

    So you have left your life.

    Happy trails grand pa.

    You are out in the cold on your own and I am here.
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    Post by hobbit Wed May 29, 2019 2:01 pm

    ack,

    As pleasing as Alan Watts is to listen to, I don't buy it.

    I made My living in antiques for thirty years, I bought a fake picture once, never again.

    Same as I don't buy this god , jesus, muhamed ali stories.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 2:21 pm

    Yes, the Bodis are fiction.

    If you look into the essence of the Buddha, he wasn't a Buddhist, same for Jesus, not a Christian.

    Others created words to duplicate their being.

    But the being isn't in the words.

    IT is here alive as us.

    You can hear their song here too.

    I am not alone, oh no.

    My awareness was always here throughout my whole life.

    I imagine it was and always will be, before this aspect was birthed, after this aspect withers, but that's just my imagination.

    Some would say this is the knowing that is always here.

    Don't know.

    No savior or god.

    Just this, straight on.

    OK, I won't belabor this, but I may remind you every now and then, as you guys share your delusions here.


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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2019 2:23 pm

    smelly,

    There might be a word for you........ ungrateful.  

    Would that be a fair description of your state of mind?

    Many have, and do, live lives that are nasty, brutish and short.

    In contrast, you are availing yourself of many aspects of modernity.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 2:25 pm

    I think we have proven your errant view of the situation and your words for it are completely irrelevant.

    Struggle all you like.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 2:26 pm

    It is clear who hobbit is Ack, can't you see him?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 2:27 pm

    Haha, this standoff is amusing.

    But no one is really here disagreeing or agreeing, nor needs to.

    The lines are being clearly drawn for those that need them.

    When you are beyond the lines, have fun with that too.
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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2019 2:37 pm

    smelly,

    Do you recognize beauty?  

    Some struggle to produce art.  

    You too have created art.  

    Is being an artist misguided?

    Folks have many kinds of vocations and avocations. Is all this misguided.



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    Post by 99 Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 pm

    "He claims to have discussed these issues with the President."  ~ dan


    Dan, you sound like you don't believe him. If someone says that someone is only "claiming" that this or that is true, that indicates to me that they are not sure if that person is telling the truth or not.
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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2019 3:02 pm

    99,

    And I don’t know if I am God or not, but the speculation about it may lead to useful insights.

    I merely make an honest effort to ground my speculations in some aspect of reality.  

    I do the best I can....... it’s WYSIWYG.


    Ack,

    It’s hard to tell if smelly appreciates our art.  

    He does enjoy adding his own graffiti.  I’m not sure what Leonardo would have thought.  

    I guess we must be privileged to have smelly devote so much of his attention to our humble efforts.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 4:25 pm

    Being an artist is part of who we are.

    Living is an art.

    My life is a work of art.

    It was a big part of my journey to nowhere.

    A portal for sure.

    Where did these images and words come from in me?

    I never put them there.

    But they come out in beautiful unexpected ways.

    I don't understand it and I am working on mastering some of these modes of expression.

    This all seems very beautiful to me, even the ugly parts.

    I think we all have latent abilities that have been dormant and have arisen over thousands of years and come and go today.

    Who could ever really explain inspiration or great art made from intuition?

    We are driven to make.

    It is an obsession.

    It takes focus.

    If I was structuring an awakening training regime, and i could at this point, like the Finder's Course does, artistic expression would be included.

    I never speak about it, but art came to me spontaneously, as did poetry.

    For me, this is evidence of things unseen.

    That's good, because for me its always fresh, I'm a blind donkey after all and I expect nothing.

    I am free to express my self as my mind and heart feel to in life, bound by no one else's beliefs or vision for what I should do.

    That is the gift of awareness.

    Freedom and active authentic expression is how we realize in part and pierce our delusions and beliefs.

    We don't need to lie to ourselves or each other.

    We can be completely authentic with each other and naked.

    This is my natural state of being here.

    Self discovery is really exploring the tree of your own life.

    In this way, what is here always is discovered by us, like a new country.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 4:37 pm

    Ack, I appreciate authenticity in a delusion world, this is most beautiful to me.

    So, when I know you are lying, I will spit and throw shit, if you show me who you really are, that is beautiful.

    Shit is smelly and may be beautiful as well to some.

    Your delusions are repugnant to me, as they were in my self, but In accept they happen and must run their course, like poison, because your minds are poisoned by others until they aren't.

    You have to self reboot your mind.

    Jesus called this being born again, by reentering the womb.

    I know what he meant having gone through it.

    I never understood when I called my self names.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 pm

    Ack wrote:Awakening training regime huh?


    My wife and best friend went through the Finders Course.

    It can be very interesting to explore this with other people.

    We have had our own finders course going on here on OMF over the last 3 years and before I showed up.

    It is all very clear what is happening here, isn't it Wink

    Yes it is, if you look through things, into them.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 29, 2019 4:44 pm

    I am here demanding authenticity if you be true seekers of your self, you will respond, if not, we know you only live for your delusions.

    I shine my light here looking for human beings.

    Art is not delusional, it is naked singularity.

    Don't fool yourself, it's so easy to fool yourself.

    But we all fool ourselves until we see through it.

    That's all realization is.


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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2019 4:44 pm

    Ack,

    If I may, just test my own understanding of hobbit’ thoughts......

    hobbit believes in cosmic consciousness, he also believes in aspects of biological evolution.  

    He certainly believes in mathematics, especially as represented in its geometrical aspect.  

    hobbit is very ambivalent about the presence of humans.  

    I have asked him about where, if anywhere, we might fit in.  

    I think he is sympathetic with mystical monism.  


    smelly,

    You suppose us to be seekers of Self........

    That is a very promising statement.  I did not imagine that you might ever utter such a statement.  Maybe it was a slip of the tongue.  

    In other words, we’re all trying to figure out who we are.  Sometimes you suggest we are nothing........ nothing to see here, just keep moving along.  

    But, I think you’d agree that even nothing, or especially nothing, has an infinite potential.  

    So what?  Well, some of us enjoy watching flowers bloom.  

    We might even suppose that our enjoyment of flowers is not unrelated to their existence.

    We might suppose the Earth is a cosmic art museum. Many suppose it would be a shame to have it destroyed. Part of our potential might be to work on its continuation.



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