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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, sports fans.........

    Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

    Here is the #1 priority question........

    Who the heck do we think we are?  

    I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

    I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
    ..........

    (The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:01 pm

    I was being facetious about astronomy.

    'Be a light unto thyself' is all I got Wink

    As anything can take my life, I have nothing to bet, I am a total beggar.

    A blind donkey.

    A smelly fat old goat.

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    Post by dan Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:04 pm

    The first thing people want to know about astronomy is whether there is life out there.

    And, here, smelly wants to know about dark matter.  

    He can read about dark matter on Wikipedia, and know just as much as any astronomer.

    So why is he bothering us with this question?  

    Where are the visitors from?

    Second question....... why do they think they exist?  

    Are they products of Darwinian evolution........ or something else?  

    smelly is here only to prevent us from asking cosmic questions.  

    Why this is........?   I wish I knew.  
    ...........


    Ok, then, smelly,

    Why aren’t you willing to listen?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:57 pm

    I was just making polite monkey conversation, relax.

    We look at the sky, what's out there, somehow, connected to what's in here.

    Please, the mic is yours.
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    Post by dan Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:30 pm

    Ok, thanks, smelly,

    My very first question will be........ why did it take us this long to get to this point?  

    And then I’ll hand the microphone back to you........
    ..........


    I’ll be glad to to speculate about Eric’s state of mind......

    In the early days of his arrival at OM, he was one of the few people who was willing to give me their phone number, and then actually talk to me....... for hours on end.  

    I was never reluctant to speculate with Eric about my contacts with Ron.  

    After a few months, the calls decreased and his more personal interests took precedence on and off any thread where I was attempting to have philosophical/political discussions about the phenomena.  

    I and others attempted to remove him from the forum on several occasions, but to little avail.  

    There was something of a standoff between us.  That was the situation until my recent disavowal by Ron.  OM became my only channel for communication.  I had no choice but to focus on the standoff with smelly.  

    One thing was always clear to me....... smelly was not the only who didn’t want to talk to me......

    There we about 7 billion others, in one way or another, who shared smelly’s disdain for communication with me.  

    But, he was the only one of those 7 billion who was still on the line.  

    If I was ever going to uncover the problem, it was going to have to be with smelly.  As with Ron, I was never presented with a whole lot of choices.  


    So I speculate about the communication problem, on and off the forum........

    Basically, the meaning of life is not discussed outside of freshman dorms, and even there it is hardly the main topic of discussion.  

    It can get tiresome very quickly...... people move on.  There are many other things to talk about.  

    But boredom is not the main problem, in my estimation.  

    There are other deeper issues.  

    Folks feel that it is a personal/private issue.  It’s ok to listen to other people talk about it, but many are reluctant to expose their innermost feelings...... to put them up to ridicule....... to questioning or criticism, especially not in public.  

    So, here we are at an intellectual, emotional grid lock.  

    So what?  Is there a problem?  

    Maybe...... maybe not.  

    One potential problem is Disclosure, which may or may not be upon us.  

    Another problem is our grappling or not grappling with our own future, regardless of any particular disclosure.  

    So, fine....... I have the ultimate problem, and smelly has the ultimate answer........ let life go on, please, thank you very much.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:10 pm

    Well, I have no conscious quarrel with anyone.

    I suppose I play with my freedom, but in fun, really.

    I do not see anything or know what supernatural is more or less than I know what natural is.

    It is what it is.

    My wife is the only one who still may raise my temper a degree or two.

    I don't and won't speculate right now about where we are or aren't or what to do.

    I didn't have anything to lose I guess being here as smelly.

    I could let the spirit roam as it willed.

    I think we did a few loopty loops and lost a lot of riders.

    So what?

    I'm just sittin here smiling.

    Just finished my gardening for the day.

    Drinken a cold one with my pack, how did we all get so lucky?

    Disclosure is still not a topic of interest to me though.

    Perhaps there is value in ones who are sensitive sharing what they feel openly.

    In a world of secrets, I chose to spill all the beans.

    I think I have provided a fair bit of humor and fun here, can't deny.

    And challenging skeptical, absurd at times dialogue, the best kind.

    But we can still be friends I think.

    We have to spread our cosmic message of friendship.

    Never know what might happen, best to just smile and not ask why.
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:59 am

    A philosopher and an anti philosopher walk into a bar............

    It must be a joke...... I just haven’t figured it out.  I must be too old.

    You received a message from the stars.......

    The light within you is sufficient.......

    That was your cue to stop seeking, and tend to your garden.  

    You share that message with us, here.  

    Ok.

    I agree.  If there were a single message to transmit, that would be the most important one.  

    Up to that point, you had assiduously been seeking truth.

    I received the same message, back in 1977.  I came to OM to share the message, just like you.  

    Up until a couple of months ago, I was prepared to share the message with the world.  Now I share it with you.  

    This must be the best possible place for the best possible message.  

    Here, now.  

    We have each shared our message with Ack....... individually.  

    Maybe we should consult with Ack...... together.  

    Is any further action suggested?  

    Share or not to share..... beyond what we see, here, now?  

    We can go right down the list....... share or not to share?  

    As you say, smelly, this has always been the message, from every world teacher....... the light is within.  

    You’d think that, if we were ever going to get the message, we would have gotten it by now.  

    So much for Disclosure.  

    Why the visitors?  Are they seeking?  Are they sharing?

    I think about hobbit, with his dowsing rods and his Fibonacci.  Is he seeking?

    I think about 99, wk, Gary....... are they seeking?  

    We have both been trying to share with them, each in our own way.  

    Have we tried hard enough?  


    10:30.........

    Others are seeking.  

    Increasingly, they turn to one group....... TTSA, when it comes to the search for cosmic intelligence.  

    Yes...... we look down our noses.  

    There go we, but by the grace of........?  

    Do you know, smelly, how far it is from TTSA to OMF?  

    It’s not terribly far.

    What if one of them came around....... sniffing?  

    Would we act naturally?

    Would we start calling them names?  

    Would we or could we share?  

    These are questions that come to mind...... quite naturally.  



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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:50 am

    Ack,

    You and I would tend to agree.  

    We might be the only ones.

    Perhaps, you and I should practice...... just in case a straggler should happen to grace our threshold......

    They will come here, from out of the desert, thirsty for phenomena.  

    Are we an oasis?  

    How do we gently nudge them to look behind the phenomena?  

    How do we gently nudge them to look beyond the meta materials, beyond the actuators?  

    How do we convey to them the message from the stars?  

    Should we not consult with Gary on this very point?

    Why is Gary still here, even after Ron has exited the building?  

    A funny thing happened on the way to the forum....... smelly took over from Ron as my handholder..... reluctant though he may be.  

    Yes, smelly is the very picture of reluctance.  However, when it comes to reluctance, smelly might be a day late and a dollar short.  


    noon(forum time/gmt-3)...........

    I hope the mousetraps have been well placed.

    You know what they say....... invent a better mousetrap.......

    Is there any doubt that donny has a finger in our little pie?  

    Is there any doubt about the Princess and the Pea...... pod?  

    I’m wondering if the next shoe is not going to drop into the Lake.  

    Do let’s get the vectors lined up.  

    Ladies and gentlemen, start your actuators......



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    Post by whoknows Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:30 am

    smelly wrote:When you let your love go, you will realize it all around you and in you.

    LOL love is not something that can be held. A modern misconception.

    The first thing you do when you love is freedom replete. Otherwise it seems some strange form of slavery. But that's just me

    As to the rest of the comment in that post, I have to ask, do you really think you know me?
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:36 am

    wk,

    Sometimes smelly is smarter than he looks........ just not all the time.

    Love is definitely a portal.  

    And Armageddon might be a love bomb, as our old friend, Buddy, used to say.

    smelly’d better smarten up, if he’s gonna replace the Ronster.



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    Post by whoknows Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:45 am

    He's just a snugly old smelly goat/blind mule. What would we do without him.

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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:47 am

    wk,

    I’ve nary a clue.
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    whoknows wrote:
    smelly wrote:When you let your love go, you will realize it all around you and in you.

    LOL love is not something that can be held. A modern misconception.

    The first thing you do when you love is freedom replete. Otherwise it seems some strange form of slavery. But that's just me

    As to the rest of the comment in that post, I have to ask, do you really think you know me?

    Of course there is.

    There is emotional love, other than that, we don’t know love, we benefit from it.

    You don’t know yourself very well at all.

    I wasn’t speaking to you personally.

    But you responded personally.

    Leaky Muppet, I know EXACTLY who you are.

    You are no mystery.

    Bahahahaha
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    I don’t know about any of what you said Dan.

    I’m just here.
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:53 am

    wk,

    smelly might just be bluffing.  

    Why don’t you call his bluff?


    smelly,

    Yes!  That’s exactly what Ron always said....... just putting in his 8 hours....... punching the clock....... just cleaning up for the Princess.



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    Post by whoknows Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:59 am

    dan wrote:wk,

    smelly might just be bluffing.  

    Why don’t you call his bluff?  

    Nah don't like messing with others fantasies.

    Osirishorasanubis, it will always be an amusing show.

    Did the Egyptians have a blind ass god?
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    smelly wrote:There is emotional love, other than that, we don’t know love, we benefit from it.

    In your case I think that would be called narcissism.
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:06 am

    Ack,

    I’m counting on it!


    There are so many mousetraps, I’m not sure what bait you are referring to.
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    Anyway, I’m inconsequential Dan.

    I’m just here and smelly.

    Most don’t like me.

    If they don’t see through me, they fail the test and prove to be morons.

    Then I ignore or torment them as the moment arises.

    But you don’t have to talk about me really Wink

    I’m not here for attention.

    And I don’t lie.

    Annnnndddddddd I only know how to garden really and not very well.

    So if you want to talk about rose aphid infestations, I’m your goat.

    You don’t mess with chemicals, you just spray them off.

    Aliens, I can speculate about them if you wish.

    Maybe you just spray aliens off too Wink

    As far as stragglers that show up here, most are dumb and clueless, poor muppets.

    It takes a lot of work to share 1:1, it has to be arranged by the Stars it seems.

    And then we have to allow each other to possess each other.

    Few are able to get so close 1:1, but those have been the most powerful interactions for me.

    Ack isn’t the only 1:1 I’ve had.

    I’ve shared this with a few 1:1 and they all are weird now, so maybe there is something to this 1:1 thing.

    I will give my self totally to someone because we can.

    And when we do, something powerful happens.

    It’s kind of mysterious to me how the energy flows.


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    Post by whoknows Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:11 am

    Ack wrote:Oh no, wk took the bait....

    Shrug

    Good luck...

    All in good fun as always.

    Good to see you back dog boy. So you are acktualy Anubis.

    You and bird boy weighing peoples hears in the underworld.
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    whoknows wrote:
    smelly wrote:There is emotional love, other than that, we don’t know love, we benefit from it.

    In your case I think that would be called narcissism.

    A moron would see and say that Wink
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