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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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Post by hobbit on Wed May 22, 2019 6:43 am

We are a consequence of consciousness that travels universe.

it carries the information of all creations in universe of all ages, it then enables creation relative to the conditions it encounters , and those creations evolve and transmute to cope with the environs they exist within.

There is no fantasy god.

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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 6:59 am

(continued from the my first post, above hobbit’s post)


Some preliminaries are in order........

When we look for precedents, we have only the various traditions......

1.)  animist traditions.

2.)  theist/polytheist traditions.

3.)  finally, there is the scientific tradition.  

Science has unilaterally put the kybosh on this question.  Were any modern intellectual to even raise this question, they would be laughed out of court.  

Science will tell us the chemicals we are composed of.  It will tell about our ancestry by a comparative analysis of our DNA, and by the examination of fossils.  

Cosmologists will explain that the Earth and Sun originated in the Big Bang.  End of story.  

Science did not set out to tell our story, but it is the only story standing up to scrutiny.  

Science claims to know what we are made of and how we got here.  

In other words, science can tell us what we are, but not who we are.   It does not recognize the latter question as either being meaningful or answerable.  

Science is only able to address us as objects........ not as subjects.

Psychology........?  In as much as it addresses our subjectivity, it can only be subjective.  Otherwise it can only address our behavior.  


That takes care of science, what about the first two?

I’m suggesting that there are two types of prescientific origin myths.... animist and ancestry....... and they likely originated independently.  

Animism could easily have arisen from entity encounters, especially while in altered states.  

Animism does not concern itself with history, per se....... entities just are, and we are another sort of entity.  

The various theisms likely grew out ancestor worship.  

Ancestor worship is specifically about history.  The most definitive account traces our progenitors back to ‘I am that I am’.  


I have not improved much beyond the I Am story.  But it can be fleshed out, without too much effort.  

But there is one big distinction.........

We are either the children of God, or God just made us up from scratch.

Of the three main monotheisms, only Christianity has (attempted to) remain true to the ancestry tradition.  The other two have us as being a divine afterthought or diversion.

Me.......?  I, of course, take the best of both worlds.  


9:40..........

At this point there is some explaining to do........

But there is a crucial question........

Are we the essence of God, or merely an afterthought?  

Some Christians, of good faith, are still trying to come down on the right side of this question.  

By that historical fact alone, they simply blow all the other traditions right out of the water.  

Should ‘we’ then go out and bomb the infidels?  Yes....... with this realization alone, we now have the authority to bomb the infidels with the Truth........ we are all the Children of God.  

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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 7:19 am

Poor, dear hobbit,

You do so struggle against the Truth.........

Have you just volunteered to be the very first to be Love Bombed?

Do you, my furry little friend, know what the Love Bomb is?  

Maybe seeing/feeling will be believing.........  

Here is your statement, again......
We are a consequence of consciousness that travels universe.

It carries the information of all creations in universe of all ages, it then enables creation relative to the conditions it encounters , and those creations evolve and transmute to cope with the environs they exist within.
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Post by hobbit on Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 am

T'old |Yorkshire saying....

Pot calling kettle black.

"Struggle with truth"

The reason I stick around here is to reach the truth, not to enter into fairy story tales of non existent super being/s.


I am comfortable with the notion of alterations to human stock by beings that would have appeared as gods, as such coming down to Earth in craft.

I see no reason that other advanced beings wouldn't utilise such knowledge to alter the human stock to make them compliant slaves, and leave them with stories and rules to follow.


We do it now with all sorts of animals and plants.


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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 7:46 am

hobbit,

I know that you are an old guy like me.  I wonder when was the last you entertained a new idea about our origins.  

In your two posts, above, you introduce two different types of creation....... spontaneous and deliberate.  

Let’s please enumerate them......

1.)  we are the consequence of a cloud of consciousness and memory that travels the universe, finding favorable spots to plant its seeds.  

2.)  we have since been modified by two different kinds of extra terrestrials...... the good ETs and the bad ETs.  


hobbit, if you are going to seriously entertain fundamental questions you endeavor to think clearly and carefully about your answers and continue examining them and be prepared to defend them by carefully repeating the logical/rational process you used to derive them.

Do you have the patience to review this process with me now?



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dan wrote:hobbit,

I know that you are an old guy like me.  I wonder when was the last you entertained a new idea about our origins.  

In your two posts, above, you introduce two different types of creation....... spontaneous and deliberate.  

Let’s please enumerate them......

1.)  we are the consequence of a cloud of consciousness and memory that travels the universe, finding favorable spots to plant its seeds.  

2.)  we have since been modified by two different kinds of extra terrestrials...... the good ETs and the bad ETs.  


hobbit, if you are going to seriously entertain fundamental questions you endeavor to think clearly and carefully about your answers and continue examining them and be prepared to defend them by carefully repeating the logical/rational process you used to derive them.  

Do you have the patience to review this process with me now?  



(cont........)

I didn't say anything about "good or bad ETs"

I did say they left rule books or commandments for the believers to follow.
You don't suppose they came back to Georgia ???????



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones


Old Adolph would have been proud of those ten commandments?

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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 8:23 am

Watch, Aaron, and you might learn something new.........

When someone comes up to you, proposing a new Truth, is it your habit, as with smelly and the caterpillar, to blow smoke in their face?


hobbit,

You are comparing some of the ETs to Hitler.  

May we call those bad ETs?  

If so, are there any good ones?

It sounds suspiciously to me, hobbit, that you are making this up as we go along...... that you have never bothered to write any of this down, before.  

Is that correct?

I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to offer you more of my attention, before this. But there were numerous distractions. I’m a one trick pony.

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Post by hobbit on Wed May 22, 2019 8:35 am

It was someone called CHRISTIAN that organised demm stones.

It is AGENDA driven, by whom and for whom??

There does appear to be a sudden JUMP around Greco/Roman times for humans, as if there were an upgrade.

That could be by others, or by variant information flows entering this planets information field.


I reckon hobbits are Neolithic throwbacks?


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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 8:39 am

Very good, hobbit,

You are now allowing us to entertain some possible alternative scenarios.

One tool I find very helpful in excavating for the Truth is Occam’s razor.  I trust that you are aware of this tool.

In philosophy, it is known as the Law of Parsimony.

We could use some pruning with Occam’s razor right at the start......

You have introduced two sorts of creative agents in your universe.

Let’s try to keep our hypotheses as simple as possible........

Let’s start with one agent, and see how far we can go with it.......


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dan wrote:Very good, hobbit,

You are now allowing us to entertain some possible alternative scenarios.

One tool I find very helpful in excavating for the Truth is Occam’s razor.  I trust that you are aware of this tool.


Pure left brain.
There are two faces to every razor blade.

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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 8:55 am

hobbit,

Are you accusing me of having one of my hands tied behind my back?

Please, feel free to elaborate your accusation.

In other words, you are saying that my mind is only half open.  

Please, don’t tell Cy on me, she might have me kicked off the Open Minds forum.   Mama don’t allow no half wits around here.......


Anyhow....... let’s start at the ‘beginning’......

It’s pretty obvious that the cloud of consciousness had to come before any ETs.   That cloud is the origin of life.  Yes?  

Now, we can more fully attend to your original statement.......
We are a consequence of consciousness that travels universe.

it carries the information of all creations in universe of all ages, it then enables creation relative to the conditions it encounters , and those creations evolve and transmute to cope with the environs they exist within.

And let’s consider that first batch of advanced beings, descending from the cloud of consciousness.......


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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 9:22 am

Yes, hobbit,

Sometimes Aaron is smarter than he looks, also.......

And, this is ABOVE TOP SECRET....... we’re all smarter than we look......
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dan wrote:hobbit,

Are you accusing me of having one of my hands tied behind my back?

Please, feel free to elaborate your accusation.

In other words, you are saying that my mind is only half open.  

Please, don’t tell Cy on me, she might have me kicked off the Open Minds forum.   Mama don’t allow no half wits around here.......

I think they tie the hands behind the backs of those who are made to walk the plank?.

Those who utilise occams razor are only able to accept so called EVIDENCE, I call them the PROVEITS.


Science adopts this and only accepts evidence it endorses or recognises.

I recognise consciousness and it flows in phase conjugate fashion forming layers about a central heart location where it reverses, it is visible in the cloud layers, its first layer occupies upto aprox 30 inch above surface, no matter where the surface is.

If and when one attunes to these flows information relative to what You are thinking of finds You.

In this fashion creation occurs as an embryo beams out for information relative to its programming. if that information begins to vary from external/internal source, then the outcomes transmute accordingly.

This is the basis of so called gods, by those incapable of comprehending how consciousness operates.


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Post by hobbit on Wed May 22, 2019 9:25 am

Ack wrote:
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The reason I stick around here is to reach the truth

Who do you think you are Hobbit?

What is truth?

Where is truth?

Why is Truth?

Think about it...

Should I think such thinkings?
Echart tolle would say not, and He looks like ET to Me.


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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 9:33 am

Very good...... thank you, hobbit,

Now we’re beginning to get somewhere........ just when I need to get to lunch.......

But first, we now have a new starting point for our discussion......

And I’m going to ask the most important question that you have ever been asked......


Aaron,

Please, don’t play rough.........

Every one wants the Truth, but they want it gently....... pretty much like with Love.  



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Post by hobbit on Wed May 22, 2019 9:45 am

Ack wrote:Well you are either reaching for truth or you aren't.

I won't waste my time with you if you aren't.
Wink

Now once you find the truth there is nothing left to do but share it


I fink I been trying to do that all the time I been here.
But it is near impossible to describe to those who don't fink it exists.

A bit like Dan trying to get Me to fink Jesus is real.

But We may be describing one and the same?

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Ack wrote:In once sentence, what would you say the truth is Hobbit?


All is one...….consciousness.

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