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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:51 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

    Thank you.
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    Post by 99 Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 am

    Dan, as the saying goes “methinks he protest too much” wrt your constant unrelenting whining about R&A’s “disavowal” of you and other such grumblings and your separation anxiety about Princess’s self-imposed distancing of you and "and no one wants chicken little around anymore" or something to that effect and on and on and on....etc… (it’s relentless! and you’re really over doing it in that dept)… is a dead give a way that you’re still ACTIVELY operating as RP’s handler and this is just another pretense set up for one reason or another by both of you in your continuing collaboration.

    Lol, what do you think we are? Idiot's?


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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 10:17 am

    99,

    I’ve never denied anything...... you can take chicken little out of the CIA, but you can’t take the CIA out of chicken little.

    The daily phone calls from Ron and the Princess have stopped.

    But that doesn’t mean that we’re not all sleeping under the same tent, at night......

    .
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    Post by 99 Thu May 02, 2019 10:23 am

    RP (cia inclusive) is never going to give you up Dan. YOU KNOW TOO MUCH.
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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 10:33 am

    99,

    You should have been a marriage counselor........

    I will suggest that your thinking is too much on the surface.  

    When it comes to situations like chicken little and the cia....... 90% of that iceberg is under water.  

    I’ve only been given hints about that other 90%.  

    Often I would be accused by the Princess of playing dumb.

    She should have talked to smelly, who knows that I mostly am just as dumb as a door jam.  I don’t have to fake it.  

    That doesn’t mean, however, that I don’t have a guardian angel.  

    My guardian angel knows that too many of us, muppets, just know too much for our own good...... are too smart by half.....

    My angel makes sure that I don’t have to worry about being too smart.  

    Thank goodness......


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    Post by hobbit Thu May 02, 2019 10:33 am

    dan wrote:99,

    What role for US........?

    We’ll just be playing out our Manifest Destiny...... No...... Yes?

    And we will be building Jerusalem......

    Build it, and they will come.......
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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 12:32 pm

    If you wish to get a handle on personalism, Buber might be your guy.

    There is a new biography by Mendez-Flohr.......
    Without this mind-set, which Buber called “I-It,” there would be no science, economics, or politics. But, the more we engage in such thinking, the farther we drift from “I-You,” his term for addressing other people directly as partners in dialogue and relationship. Only when we say “You” to the world do we perceive its miraculous strangeness and, at the same time, its potential for intimacy. Indeed, it’s not only human beings who deserve to be called “You.” As Buber wrote, even a cat or a piece of mica can summon up in us the feeling of a genuine encounter with another: “When something does emerge from among things, something living, and becomes a being for me . . . it is for me nothing but You!”
    This is from the New Yorker review.  

    He had an early interest in Nietzsche.  Also many of Buber’s ideas were coming out of the nascent Hasidic communities in Eastern Europe.  


    5:40.......

    These Hasidic ideas were, in their turn, being derived from the Lurianic Kabbalah (c. 1560)...... and, before that, from the Zohar (late 1200s).

    Although the Hasid are orthodox outwardly, they are not fundamentalists or literalists, as is the case among conservative Christians...... contrary to my previous understanding.  



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    Post by 99 Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm

    Things I learned today...


    You are not just an "I"
    You are also a "YOU"
    And even that fly 
    In your pie is one too!
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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm

    Careful, 99,

    The You being referenced by Buber does not necessarily refer to individual substances..... it is not necessarily plural.  Buber’s You/Thou is more likely a reference to the immanent God in everything...... and is comparable to the ideas of panentheism.  

    I take the more personalist view that there is that of God in each of us, and it is we who Create the world, or that God Creates the rest of the world through us...... as agents of the Creator.

    I should point out that the Zohar contains many elements from Plotinus (c. 250 AD), ie. from Gnosticism.  Gnosticism died out, but the Kabbalah lives on, evidently.  

    Panentheism is the most immediate forerunner of the personalism of the BPWH.  Aspects of personalism go back at least as far as Plato.  

    More from Flohr.......
    .... the world is holy because it is where we can encounter God. That is why any theology or politics that seeks to bring this world to an end—through an apocalyptic transformation or a total revolution—is fundamentally opposed to Buber’s Jewish ideal.
    It sounds as though Buber would have rejected the small world hypothesis.  

    Buber might not have understood that an Apocalypse could be embedded in Eternity...... would be our portal to Eternity. He also did not have a grasp of the Kingdom Come.



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    Post by 99 Thu May 02, 2019 3:35 pm

    Interesting view in the second paragraph. Need to process that for a bit.

    I'm in agreement that we are co-creator's of the world around us.


    I should point out that the Zohar contains many elements from Plotinus (c. 250 AD), ie. from Gnosticism.  Gnosticism died out, but the Kabbalah lives on, evidently.~ Dan 
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    The Kabbalah is fascinating. Always thought the Zohar was just another name for it.
    Also, Gnosticism resonates deeply with me which explains why I like Steiner's writings granted he gave his own spin on it. 


    Panentheism wrt your first paragraph is understood.
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    Panentheism is the forerunner of the personalism of the BPWH. 

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    That makes sense.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 02, 2019 8:57 pm

    It takes work to live.

    Fucking hard work.

    I’m happy to toil at it.

    Fuck eschatology and the SoT.

    You want it over, go hang yourselves.

    **MUAH**



    I will burn rather than live with you fundamentalist assholes Wink
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 02, 2019 9:30 pm

    “Working hard to deny appearances as you see them ..what's the point in that? To see all as mind? Illusion? Oneness? There is nothing to see in holding onto those labels.

    If everything is an illusion, then right now I am in a dream-bed, dream-typing on my dream-phone my dream-thoughts. If all pheomena are equally illusion than there is no need to distinguish it because there is no opposite to contrast it with. No need to see a bed as anything but a bed, typing as typing, phone as a phone, thoughts as thoughts.

    Why not just let the appearances be as they are? When you do you will not need to make mental machinations to try and force them to be different. No transformation is then necessary and you can rest easy, calling things simply as you see them.

    That is called being your own teacher.”

    Being your own teacher.

    Now the implications of that is, if you aren’t too chicken shit to follow your self, profound.

    But let’s be honest, you are a fundamentalist and only see things in your warped way.

    You collect facts to bolster your house of cards.

    You can’t deal with the hard reality of living.

    You know who you are. You will be the ones responding.
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    Post by vortimond Thu May 02, 2019 10:06 pm

    Message received and the answer is no of course. You don't know nothing about me and you are trying to take control over my life? We are the others and this is Sparta.
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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 7:13 am

    smelly,

    You are a fighter and orator..... much like Hitchens.  You love to tilt at windmills.... at straw men...... at enemies of your own conjuration.  

    Here you are.... come to the Open Minds Forum to tilt at closed mindedness....... say what?!

    I’m here to explore a coherent synthesis of personalism and panentheism, which synthesis, I argue, may provide the only coherent worldview.  

    Is this coercion?  

    I make reference to ‘God’.  I invite discussion of this Person, assuming that such a person may exist.  

    A prior question would be whether the best possible world has any need of any such person.  

    For the sake of discussion, I put myself forward as a candidate for God.  

    Does the the world have need of Dan Smith, and would Dan Smith be the best possible God.  

    Why don’t we discuss this question, smelly?

    You no longer have to tilt at windmills.  You can tilt at me.

    Maybe we should start a new discussion topic, to this effect.......



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    Post by iwanttotalk Fri May 03, 2019 8:02 am

    Did Firmage purposefully engage in activities that would create a stink around him? Isn't everything that happened way too on-the-nose? The fraudulent press release, the possibly fake $1000 "New Physics" device, the oddly late timing of the Kiviat settlement...

    Do you remember that time Delonge went on Joe Rogan, showed that he had been coached heavily by the CIA on exactly what to say and how to say it? And yet, he still went on to talk about Nazi UFOs, bases on the moon, humans walking alongside dinosaurs, that "real" TR-3B video... He completely tanked his reputation and his freshly started fundraising campaign in less than 2 hours.

    I just can't believe they accidentally brought this upon themselves. It feels so deliberate. Is it?
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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 8:12 am

    iwtt,

    I’m not aware of any of those details, could you please include links.

    I’ve never doubted, however, that Tom DeLonge was being used by others with ulterior motives.
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    Post by @awestruckt Fri May 03, 2019 9:25 am

    Kiviat notice of settlement /dismissal:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219217226925866&set=a.1317609704695&type=3&theater

    Site where firmage is now selling little gyros (no video demo or anything):
    https://acceleromotorone.org/

    Press release where Firmage claims to have been appointed President of the National Space Council (you might have to be a linkedin member and following Firmage to view, not sure):
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-firmage-67447b68/detail/recent-activity/shares/

    Keyword search on reddit is helpful, folks have reached out to the Space Council who say they've never heard of Joe and that no such position exists:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/bhfo0g/response_from_department_of_commerce_office_of/

    ....seems weird for him to do this in such a public way...
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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 9:28 am

    @awe,

    Thanks...... we need to be looking into this.... this tempest in a teapot...... it is rather close to home......!
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    Post by vortimond Fri May 03, 2019 11:52 am

    Love from Don and the Princess.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 03, 2019 11:55 am

    Dan, the world has need of nothing, but we all appear here together.

    So we are stuck in a sense with each other.

    I have no labels for any of it.

    I don't care at all who sees reality or not Wink

    But I enjoyed the journey of finding I can't know it, I can know this around me, here.

    It would be pointless for you and I to discuss anything, I was just barking.

    I found Hitch had your number, I don't have his gifts or zeal to fight religion.

    I'm not a fighter, I'm just a gardner.

    You are no better than the muslims seeking to end the world, worse even, you know better.

    The rest of these pathetic sycophants around you have not the ability to see anything other than what they know and they love your candy.

    Bark bark bark
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    Post by 99 Fri May 03, 2019 1:04 pm

    The Princess just posted a new YouTube video of Kashmir speaking at a jr. college in front of a large group of students on the topic of Technology. It's so cute! 

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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 1:13 pm

    Thanks, 99........
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    Post by 99 Fri May 03, 2019 1:22 pm

    I couldn't resist.. Kashmir is the best of the next generation coming up and with practice like this, talking in front of large groups, she's going to go far in whatever endeavor she sets her mind to.

    Kashmir is very lucky to have such a good role model... her mom. Smile
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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 1:30 pm

    I am missing my goddaughter........  

    Is it ok if I miss my Princess, too?

    Heck, I might even miss the Foot, too...... just a little bit.....
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    Post by vortimond Fri May 03, 2019 2:45 pm

    I am the Princess. I integrated the two aspects of my personality. Your princess is with me only for a visit. There were I believe 15 princesses but the real one is always inside you and doesn't exist in the outside world. Love from us to all of you.

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    Post by jofo Fri May 03, 2019 6:38 pm

    dan, it might be time for you to have a DMT experience, could bring some clarity for you

    i suggest three hits, no reason to go half-in

    a co-pilot or guide would be highly recommended in your case, maybe smelly can help you out

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