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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

    ............



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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:50 am

    Thank you for your patience, smelly........

    With Aaron’s help, I’m beginning to get a handle on my blind spot, here.  

    With my western, Parmenidian, take on being and monism, I was making the same mistake that Newton made in his absolutizing of space and time.  

    smelly was just trying to Zen slap me.

    But I have pretty thick skin...... but, brother, am I ever a sucker for words......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:00 am

    What?!

    WTF did Dan just say?

    No no no

    Let me clear my ears out.

    Ha

    I’ve been here 3 years saying the same thing and I’d say I’ve been very patient.

    We don’t have to agree ever, but it is funny what you say.

    I’ve put up with constant pretenders and muppets with their stupid limited vision Wink

    That was the fun part actually.

    Every time I slapped you I only heard the BPW and history and Jesus blah blah blah you are nihilist and evil, blah blah blah.

    You are faking, trying to make me go away.

    Haha.


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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:03 am

    smelly,

    See, you finally managed to Zen slap me with your words.  

    You just have to be patient with us muppets.

    But, watch out, when the Logos finally gets non being in sights, all hell might break loose.  

    Then we’ll all have to run for cover.

    Rebalancing, as Aaron reminds us, of this non magnitude, can be just a little bit tricky.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:09 am

    This is the way Dan.

    I just Zen it know to my bone marrow.

    Zen is not the end all be all, but the core of it is like nothing else on earth.

    The best humanity has got.

    Radical acceptance living in our own Being,

    Perfectly imperfect.

    Ok, you shut me up.
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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:12 am

    Hmmm........ is smelly also jumping to conclusions?

    Do you really think that you have flushed the j-guy down the drain?

    Maybe we should all take a deep breath, and think again.......

    Or no-think again, as the case might be.......



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:18 am

    Shocked

    Wow

    Dan just said take a deep breath and not think....

    Haha

    I love it!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:27 am

    I don’t have anything else to say here Dan.

    I think you got me Wink

    The energy is dissipating now.

    I feel it ebbing back into the stream.

    I don’t know who to thank, but I feel Being knows it self here.

    I can tell you friends, even when the whole world stands against you, hold your line when you know it was all for you, all the teaching was for you, this is how we keep Jesus and Buddha and Lao and all the others alive here.

    Back to my little hut by the mountain...
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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:38 am

    Yes, it would be nice to stop and savor the moment........
    Whose woods these are I think I know.
    His house is in the village though;
    He will not see me stopping here
    To watch his woods fill up with snow.

    My little horse must think it queer
    To stop without a farmhouse near
    Between the woods and frozen lake
    The darkest evening of the year.

    He gives his harness bells a shake
    To ask if there is some mistake.
    The only other sound’s the sweep
    Of easy wind and downy flake.

    The woods are lovely, dark, and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep.

    Maybe bobby was not as dumb as he looked.  

    I do think that a new take on non-being might help to better explain the Quantum and free will.

    We can’t really appreciate non-being without grasping the fullness of being..... a la Parmenides and Plotinus. Possibly, our Zen brothers could have used a bit more of Parmenides.



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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:46 am

    I told Dan last night that the SoT role really isn't for me....that I'm more of a heart guy than a head guy

    I can see how both logos and emptiness are really two sides of the same coin....the prickly and gooey as Alan Watts would say.

    I dont know what is happening.

    Don't need to know really.

    Nothing appearing as everything.

    Straight on


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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:51 am

    Aaron,

    It may be non-being that makes headroom for the heart.

    Where is Max Headroom when we need him? Maybe he got a room with Rumi.

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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:58 am

    Yes, it may be non-being that makes headroom or the heart.

    A very selfless thing for source to provide headroom for us Muppets.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:45 am

    Ok, just tying things off here,



    If you make a connection between Heidegger and the Eastern mind, you can have a radical awakening and level reset.

    You can’t avoid existentialism or your breath.

    If you wade into the Mandelbrot set you will be radically transformed.

    The objectification of the world happened.

    Now we return.

    I have spoken of living an authentic life.

    To live an authentic life, you hear and follow your own being.

    Not mass humanity.

    Here we can see a function of alienation.

    The Outsider is strangely attracted to existentialism.

    The beats are the soul behind the hippie.

    The ultimate outsiders.

    We face our own death.

    Embrace it even.

    We don’t look at it as just the end of our biology.

    But the finitude of human existence.

    In the acute crisis, the end of our persona, we face history.

    Even the authentic person must consider themselves in history and the possibilities given to us.

    We appropriate a dynamic history and revitalize it.

    We don’t have a static inherited tradition in history.

    We have to make ourselves.

    This is the process of individuation.

    We each inherit all of history in our time.

    This is true for the first time ever in our time biologically.

    Why now?

    Science has shattered cultural meaning and they are all mixing and reacting to this.

    There are those who try to hold onto the past as golden age.

    There are those who see history critically and see it a story of our will to power, Marxist post-modern view.

    Monumental history is about appropriating great events and persons who inspire future evolution.

    We have to be deeply rooted in our history to evolve.

    History provides inspiration for discovery.

    We can ground ourselves in a tradition, but this is no longer needed.

    Transcendence is what Zen and existentialism hint at.

    It requires an encounter with your total destruction is all.

    The wanderer becomes all things as needed in whatever age they wander through.

    I see our purpose alive is to dig up the gems from the past using the future.

    We sew the ground with shit and the seeds of history and the ancient flowers still grow.



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    —Bill Hicks

    What a trip dudes floating down this river of love.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:36 am

    Har har

    Bill Hicks’ Death Essay below, I thought it appropriate...I echo his heart, with a squishy view of truth and untruth. He died at 32 at the height of his powers, pancreatic cancer to liver cancer.

    I feel I may die this way as well. I have pancreatic liver issues. Be fun I’m sure when my ticket is punched. The pain killers are going to rock!

    ...

    I was born William Melvin Hicks on December 16, 1961 in Valdosta, Georgia. Ugh. Melvin Hicks from Georgia. Yee Har! I already had gotten off to life on the wrong foot. I was always "awake," I guess you'd say. Some part of me clamoring for new insights and new ways to make the world a better place. All of this came out years down the line, in my multitude of creative interests that are the tools I now bring to the Party. Writing, acting, music, comedy. A deep love of literature and books. Thank God for all the artists who've helped me. I'd read these words and off I went – dreaming my own imaginative dreams. Exercising them at will, eventually to form bands, comedy, more bands, movies, anything creative. This is the coin of the realm I use in my words – Vision. On June 16, 1993 I was diagnosed with having "liver cancer that had spread from the pancreas." One of life's weirdest and worst jokes imaginable. I'd been making such progress recently in my attitude, my career and realizing my dreams that it just stood me on my head for a while. "Why me!?" I would cry out, and "Why now!?" Well, I know now there may never be any answers to those particular questions, but maybe in telling a little about myself, we can find some other answers to other questions. That might help our way down our own particular paths, towards realizing my dream of New Hope and New Happiness. Amen. I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit.

    Don’t forget Bill.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:39 am

    Ha

    The Dude Abides!
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    Post by hobbit Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:40 am



    Reading this forum feels like Punch and Judy show.


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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:41 am

    Remember Bill

    I believe Tool wrote this song in remembrance of Bill.

    He was one of my favorite said sacred clowns...

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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:52 am

    smelly,

    Nice one with Reza.........

    And I’m only four minutes in........
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:59 am

    Eulogy lyrics:

    "He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    So long
    We wish you well
    You told us how you weren't afraid to die
    Well, so long
    Don't cry
    Or feel too down
    Not all martyrs see divinity
    But at least you tried
    Standing above the crowd
    He had a voice that was strong and loud
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    Ranting and pointing his finger
    At everything but his heart
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    No way to recall
    What it was that you had said to me?
    Like I care at all
    But it was so loud
    You sure could yell
    You took a stand on every little thing
    And so loud
    You could be the one who saves me from my own existence
    Warn while some child might chill, nine-one-two
    I'm too smart when you're invisible by the bone symbol on you
    So he bashes his skull through the window while looking out to the sea
    Like torment of my ego
    And we're amused by this
    Yeah, standing above the crowd
    He had a voice that was strong and loud and I
    Swallowed his facade 'cause I'm so
    Eager to identify with
    Someone above the ground
    Someone who seemed to feel the same
    Someone prepared to lead the way
    And someone who would die for me
    Will you?
    Will you now?
    Would you die for me?
    Don't you fuckin' lie
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you fuckin' lie
    You've claimed all this time that you would die for me
    Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    Come down
    Get off your fucking cross
    We need the fuckinh space to nail the next fool martyr
    To ascend you must die
    You must be crucified
    For our sins and our lies
    Goodbye"
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:03 pm

    Smelly,

    Bill will never be forgotten Smile

    I guess Carlin also sits with him somewhere. I bet the show is something to behold..

    "It just is and so are we for a little while"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:27 pm

    hobbit wrote:

    Reading this forum feels like Punch and Judy show.


    Hobbit

    Then perhaps we are closer to the truth/untruth of things.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:29 pm

    Carlin was another Punch, a sacred clown.

    As is Bill Murray.

    I imagine they have a sense of their role on earth more than most.

    We few freaks are born seeing.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:35 pm

    We like to crowd around
    Those who float off the ground
    In hopes we too may learn
    What it is to ever burn
    The world is not fixed
    It is an ever changing sea of cliques
    All things that rise must fall
    Only then can we stand tall

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:36 pm

    Aaron wrote:Eulogy lyrics:

    "He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    So long
    We wish you well
    You told us how you weren't afraid to die
    Well, so long
    Don't cry
    Or feel too down
    Not all martyrs see divinity
    But at least you tried
    Standing above the crowd
    He had a voice that was strong and loud
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    Ranting and pointing his finger
    At everything but his heart
    We'll miss him
    We'll miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    We're gonna miss him
    No way to recall
    What it was that you had said to me?
    Like I care at all
    But it was so loud
    You sure could yell
    You took a stand on every little thing
    And so loud
    You could be the one who saves me from my own existence
    Warn while some child might chill, nine-one-two
    I'm too smart when you're invisible by the bone symbol on you
    So he bashes his skull through the window while looking out to the sea
    Like torment of my ego
    And we're amused by this
    Yeah, standing above the crowd
    He had a voice that was strong and loud and I
    Swallowed his facade 'cause I'm so
    Eager to identify with
    Someone above the ground
    Someone who seemed to feel the same
    Someone prepared to lead the way
    And someone who would die for me
    Will you?
    Will you now?
    Would you die for me?
    Don't you fuckin' lie
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you step out of line
    Don't you fuckin' lie
    You've claimed all this time that you would die for me
    Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    He had a lot to say
    He had a lot of nothing to say
    Come down
    Get off your fucking cross
    We need the fuckinh space to nail the next fool martyr
    To ascend you must die
    You must be crucified
    For our sins and our lies
    Goodbye"

    Wow
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    Post by dan Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:40 pm

    Reza, at seven minutes, is talking about the breakdown of our bicameral mind, when he speaks about the breakdown or objectification of the world that took place in the Renaissance.

    This is the Heideggerian analysis of history.

    Jaynes had this breakdown occurring in the Mediterranean, at the time of Thera, 1500BC.



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