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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:58 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    ............
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:58 am

    painterdoug wrote:goat /    you blissfully free??   thats about as funny as anything any muppet ever said here

    thats your inner ego projecting that and  onto  us poor lowly muppets

    goat , you are consumed with being top goat and nothing more.  


    Don’t you have a dumb painting or interview to do?

    Bahahahahahaha
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:01 am

    Doug has no clue Wink

    Wk is being a hippie.

    Dan is lost in thought games.

    The smelly goat is pooping.

    Zen muppet is zenning.

    Hobbit is mesmerized by spirals.

    99 is 99ing.

    All is perfect with our little ship of fools I’d say.

    I wouldn’t change anything or we wouldn’t have as much fun.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:06 am

    dan wrote:Thank you, wk,

    Is it possible that we have the best possible smelly?  Perish the thought...... or should we cherish....?  

    I used to opine that, in the best possible world, imagination might be free.  I’m thinking that I was being a bit naive.  Imagination is a big, maybe biggest, part of our best possible lives.  It too would have to be optimized in the best possible world.  

    However, the BPW could be wrapped in a band of free will, a kind of quantum zone of randomness, just to keep us on our toes.  Everything in the band would be suboptimal, of course, but such are the trade offs of Creation.  

    As far as thinking or not thinking...... I doubt we have the freedom to choose.  Admonishing others to not think would seem to be an exercise in futility.  

    smelly is howling at the moon...... or is it the Monad?

    The choice to not think is a first world luxury.  Few of us have the luxury of not worrying about our next meal...... or our next baby, for that matter....... praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.  

    (cont.......)

    You don’t try or not try to do anything.

    You never ever have to worry.

    That is a hard won realization, no lazy thoughtful monkey will ever learn how to solve their worry and fear.

    But you can resolve the conflict.

    You aren’t paying attention, because you are thinking.

    Thinking happens, you don’t have to dance with it.

    There is no distinction between voluntary and involuntary.

    I am a bleating goat.

    I didn’t say don’t think.

    I am saying how pointless it is.

    It is very amusing how trapped we all are by thought.

    There are ways to live with it, by not fighting it.

    You don’t fight anything.

    You certainly don’t follow it as you do Dan.

    Only dumb muppets do that.

    We need dumb muppets to be sure, wk and Doug fill that slot nicely.

    I thought you were a smart talking monkey.

    Could have fooled me.

    I haven’t heard an authentic word from you for months.


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    Post by SurfBum Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:08 am

    dan wrote:
    As far as thinking or not thinking...... I doubt we have the freedom to choose.  Admonishing others to not think would seem to be an exercise in futility.  

    Thinking happens, nothing we can do to stop it, and no reason we need to stop it.

    Thoughts are a good slave, but a bad master.

    We ride the wave of logos until we don't.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:17 am

    Bahahahahahahahaha

    5 Smelly goats Zen muppet

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    Have fun stormin the castle.


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    Post by SurfBum Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:18 am

    Haha, thanks man!



    It's the Dark Knight vs the joker, a tale as old as time.

    The joke is on us.

    A perfect union of contrary things.


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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:21 am

    Here is something more for the noisy goat to poop on.

    Dan wrote:The choice to not think is a first world luxury.

    This is part of what has driven me to distraction in smelly's dialog.

    I was exposed to the second and third worlds before I was 10 years old. I was shaken more to the core of my empathy and compassion. you know, all that low stuff, well before I could put very well informed though behind it.

    Randomness. of my quanta in the Q zone? Just now a thought. Does that put the kibosh on immaterialism?


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:21 am

    God damn this game has gotten so much more fun.

    It never stops.

    Persist in your folly.

    Change nothing.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:23 am

    whoknows wrote:Here is something more for the noisy goat to poop on.

    Dan wrote:The choice to not think is a first world luxury.

    This is part of what has driven me to distraction in smelly's dialog.

    I was exposed to the second and third worlds before I was 10 years old. I was shaken more to the core of my empathy and compassion. you know, all that low stuff, well before I could put very well informed though behind it.

    Randomness. of my quanta in the Q zone? Just now a thought. Does that put the kibosh on immaterialism?

    There is no distinction between immaterial and material here.

    Words make distinctions.

    Only the imaginary ego is made of words.

    We are just here and what happens as a lense.
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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 am

    Not a bad thought there Smelly.

    Is that a mind thing or a material thing?

    Oh wait let me guess, there is no distinction.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 am

    The way is natural and simple.

    It has nothing to do with thought or reason.

    It happens spontaneously.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:28 am

    If I use words, I’m bound by the word game.

    But there are no words here.

    I have never said a single word here.

    Words must end as koans.

    We are walking koans.

    We have no facts or answers.


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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:32 am

    smelly wrote:But there are no words here.

    I knew I should have never taken both hit of th two way hits of orange sunshine, sunshine.

    Oh wait is that what I see coming out of your back side?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:36 am

    We just ourselves are an invitation to dance and more than enough.

    We are carried on by these beautiful automatic dream machines and we think we can know anything.

    Behold the arrogance and dependable stupidity of the reasoning talking monkey.

    All can relax into this here.

    You are a part of all happening.

    It all really just is.

    No feelings or thoughts about it.

    You come to a point when thoughts that come to you only see a mirror.

    They just bounce away.

    There is nothing here to receive them.

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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:54 am

    Children we have it right here
    It's the light in my eyes
    It's perfection and grace
    It's the smile on my face
    Tonight when I chase the dragon
    The water may change to cherry wine
    And the silver will turn to gold
    Time out of mind

    just becoming aware sure doesn't come for goat poop. awareness dose not come from nothing. no matter how one defines what this is, it is something People who pretend to have the answers are self deluding.

    Behold, sheeesh give me a break.

    Doug said it much more eloquently than I can. And he's right smelly.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:56 am

    wk,

    I don’t actually believe in the Quantum, any more than I believe in the Atom.  

    The Q&A put the kibosh on materialism, as far as I can discern.  

    The Q&A are useful constructs of the interpersonal Logos.  

    smelly is correct that the are no selves........ there is just Self...... the Monad/Logos/Source/Telos.



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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:59 am

    dan wrote:wk,

    I don’t actually believe in the Quantum, any more than I believe in the Atom.  

    The Q&A put the kibosh on materialism, as far as I can discern.  

    The Q&A are useful constructs of the interpersonal Logos.  

    smelly is correct that the are no selves........ there is just Self...... the Monad/Logos.  



    (cont.......)



    Ahh glad things are back to normal around here.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:05 am

    Bahahahahahaha

    Monkey mind will always be chattering, the cosmic gag reel.

    Here we can observe it in its natural habitat.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:08 am

    whoknows wrote:Children we have it right here
    It's the light in my eyes
    It's perfection and grace
    It's the smile on my face
    Tonight when I chase the dragon
    The water may change to cherry wine
    And the silver will turn to gold
    Time out of mind

    just becoming aware sure doesn't come for goat poop. awareness dose not come from nothing. no matter how one defines what this is, it is something People who pretend to have the answers are self deluding.

    Behold, sheeesh give me a break.

    Doug said it much more eloquently than I can. And he's right smelly.


    You pretending hippie, what a phony.

    Welcome, we are all liars here.

    You are not right about any thing and neither is any other talking monkey.

    And the fact you think so just shows you who you are not.

    I have no answers.

    Persist in your folly.

    It is your nature.

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    Without thought, without mind,
    without self, there is only freedom.
    The direct, reliable, and perfect
    means of achieving this is to become
    wholly absorbed in the breath.

    Dougiepoo and pretender hippie are our new poster children for the old deluded hippie talking monkeys who do not know shit and are only filled with said shit and that’s the way they like it.

    Old muppet farts is all you guys are.

    You have nothing for anyone.

    And you are dumb on top of all of it.

    Shift+Delete yourselves if you can see the keys on the keyboard anymore.

    Incontinent monkeys.
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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:21 am

    Never said I knew anything and I have stated that many times.

    smelly wrote:Old muppet farts is all you guys are.

    You have nothing for anyone.

    And you are dumb on top of all of it.

    Shift+Delete yourselves if you can see the keys on the keyboard anymore.

    Incontinent monkeys.

    Ah well, we do have much in common after all.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:29 am

    PM me your address.

    Happy to send some Depends to old hippies on life support.

    I can’t wait until you guys are gone.

    Bubye.
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    Post by painterdoug Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:33 am

    smelly thats some classic humor!!! still laughing


    Dan, Aaron and Who Knows , remember to treat smelly with " kid" gloves
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:35 am

    That was a good run.

    Didn’t know how long you guys would keep going.

    Good flow.

    I’ll put a bottle of wine in Dan’s Depends care package.

    I take great joy that you 3 will be wearing diapers before me.

    Do think of smelly goat as you pee yourselves.

    Bahahahahahahaha
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    Post by painterdoug Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:39 am

    lol goat ! ill ride on this for the remainder of my meaningless meandering muppet day.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:40 am

    Maybe, just maybe, smelly, folks are here for the show.

    Maybe there is a better show than OM, or maybe OM could become a better show.

    It has its ups and downs, no?

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