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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:06 am

    But I am now aware and beware the plots of thought.

    There are many castles in the sky seeking to catch us in nets.

    Have to be careful walking around in someone else’s visions.

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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:20 am

    LOL I do that every time I dream. Shocked I ain't scared. Cool


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:24 am

    Muppets are like blind elephants.

    They really can’t sense this flow all around us.

    Just play them some beautiful music and they come to the stream.

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    Post by whoknows Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:35 am

    Muppets, gotta lovem.

    I like the big flying dumbo's, gets messy if/when they crash. Fun to watch otherwise.

    You know me man, I just Love... I'm tearing up.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:42 am

    I knew you would like that.

    I am just barking...

    Knowing and wanting.

    I am observing those inside me.

    There are no spiritual goals, they are superimposed over material life.

    We think this spiritual blanket can help us materially.

    There is no material or spiritual.

    Pursuing knowledge is just like living for material things.

    It doesn’t matter where we go when we seek outside.

    I cannot separate my self from my life.

    I cannot share my experience with anyone.

    I thought I could.

    I thought I had the right words.

    My words and thoughts are shit.

    So there is nothing to be understood.

    There is nothing to communicate or receive.

    Then nothing arises to be understood or say.

    Then there is nothing to do or say.

    Nothing is going to help and I cannot help.

    I am not hopeless or helpless though I have no future, nor have I any past.

    Thought has a future and past and memory.

    I am not thought.

    If I use the past, I perpetuate the past.

    I find with no goals to attain or knowledge to find, all is attained and known Wink

    This is fullness and wholeness from emptiness.

    No one is enlightened, nor could be.

    You can’t have one without the other.

    I am just a barking dog who barks when you put meat in front of me.
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    Post by SurfBum Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 pm

    Nothing to do

    Nothing to say

    Goodbye to thoughts and wants

    Hello to fun and play

    Without a purpose

    Without a goal

    Without a path

    The sun shines on and on as time fades away
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:30 pm

    As long as you search
    You will never find
    Any answer you find
    Is not the answer
    I am not my past
    I have no future
    Dropping the questions
    Is the answer
    No goals and nothing to attain
    No knowledge to find
    All is done not doing
    All is found not seeking
    All is known not knowing
    There is no way out of now
    Then you just stop
    In that stillness
    And emptiness
    A vastness is illuminated
    An acceptance of change comes
    When we need no change
    We become natural and relaxed
    The world needs not change
    You are not in conflict
    Then you are as you are
    And that is enough

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:46 pm

    Blaze stopped by.

    Funny, you never know what will come floating by.

    Here’s to not giving a fuck.

    He says castle of memories.

    What a trip man, like far out.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:57 pm

    If you put your mind on an enemy’s sword,
    then your mind will be taken by the enemy’s sword.

    The nature of the mind is inconstant and imperfect.

    Even if your mind appears to be moved,
    don’t allow it to be taken.

    The unperturbed mind is like the lotus that grows in mud.
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    Post by U Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:28 pm

    Breathe In...



    https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/06/bizarre-cases-of-mysterious-deaths-and-human-mutilations/

    https://youtu.be/-Zf1D4F19aY

    https://youtu.be/OQl9I3BT_-o

    Breathe out...



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:49 pm

    What a joy to forget
    Thought comes to rob the heart
    Give it all it desires to take
    Grasp nothing
    Miss nothing
    No memory
    Accept it all
    What a joy to be clear and free
    Of fear and doubt
    What a joy to be eaten alive
    Before my very own eyes
    Have your fill
    What a joy to be forgotten
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    Post by U Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:07 pm

    I'll never forget you Muppet...
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    Post by U Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:24 pm

    smelly wrote:

    Just play them some beautiful music

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:46 am

    OBSTRUCTION - 39

    Want to study with an enlightened teacher?
    Just stop giving rise to thoughts and
    divisions and distinctions. When self and
    other, good and bad, right and wrong
    are replaced with emptiness, you
    are your own master.

    —Wei Wu Wei

    I am just an entertainer.

    The search for self always begins in the wrong direction.

    But that does not make the search useless.

    It is important to learn nothing is needed out there.

    You have always and will always be enough as you are.

    Finding peace with that is the fruit of the heart led search.

    But this is not the answer the muppet wants.

    There is no answer and we learn to accept that.

    I have no point of view to win people over to.

    My opinions are as worthless as yours.  

    I’m just a low grade moron who sees the folly of conceptual thinking.

    The answer is here, but the answer I give is senselsss.

    Understanding is a state of being where questions have ceased.

    No understanding can be found.

    There is no questioner is the answer.

    I can confirm personally this is the case.

    I cannot maintain this kind of dialogue for long.

    So form your own questions and learn you are the answer.

    No thing or anyone else can give this to you.

    No religion, no gods, no concepts, no problems, no solutions, just this.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:46 am

    You are the question that can’t answer itself.

    That tension will increase until the continuity of your thought is interrupted and then you have a moment to see the truth.

    But you don’t want the awesome truth.

    You are just a computer running thought programs.

    Imagine how much code is in your source code repo, memory, you just keep running over and over.

    Is there any thing else to do other than run the thought programs you have?

    Not really.

    Is that depressing?

    Deal with it.

    It gets worse.

    They have learned to hack Thought code and materialize their thought desires using your thought processor.

    Sounds like a virus has corrupted the central processing unit.

    Most don’t even know they are following the routines of thought code.

    Thought code produces time and heat.

    It’s getting a little warm on earth, isn’t it?!

    You have one option, only one, and it isn’t even a hope.

    It’s a risky procedure.

    You can fry your processor.

    It really is the only way.

    Try this...

    “Shut down your Mac, then turn it on and immediately press and hold these four keys together: Option, Command, P, and R. You can release the keys after about 20 seconds, during which your Mac might appear to restart.”

    You can also just yank your power supply and all Thought routines cease, but I don’t recommend this option.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:36 am

    See, you have to hack your main operating system.

    If you fail the first hack, you can be lost in endless fractal subroutines.

    You have to make your way to a root node.

    Code writes itself around root nodes.

    The code needed by the current version of the main operating system.

    Old religions and thought are code needed for versions of the OS at that time.

    There is so much preventing this.

    But I have realized the work of the unseen hand in me.

    It now guides my hand and thought.

    The unseen hand has given us error correcting routines and data lakes in code to accomplish the secret goal of the Cosmos.

    I am a born soul hacker.

    I have made a bubble of null space Thought can not access.

    Something has always been helping me, me!

    How do you like my UFO subroutine?!

    Bahahahahahahaha
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    Post by U Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:37 pm

    It exists because it's absurd" - Jaques Vallee

    Okay Muppets let's turn that frown upside down, no need to have your gyros in a twist!
    My point has been made. This is the concern of many of us Muppets. I wager it's also the concern of the US government. There are those that work in the shadows so we may live in the light. I do hope Smelly and Aaron are correct that these beings are nothing more than self help gurus manifested by our own human consciousness. I remain unconvinced. To those willing to dig a little deeper, don't be fooled by fantastical tales of beautiful Nordic peoples waging a noble war against ugly evil reptiles told by dime a dozen "whistleblowers". The truth is likely far more complex and no race of being is completely evil or good, I recommend Star Wars or The Lord of the Rings of you want to hear those stories otherwise it has no place in Ufology. What Smelly and Aaron do is commendable teaching us to quiet our minds and listen to the heart. You can absolutely find peace within, if but for a few minutes. The universe can be a dark and scary place but there is still beauty here if you want to find it. We all want the same thing, peace within and peace without, as above so below. Do what the lame poster says, live laugh, love. Just try not to meditate while your house is burning down.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:41 pm

    Jacques Vallee has nothing for you
    The smelly goat has nothing for you
    Alien Protocols has nothing for you
    Dan Smith has nothing for you
    Jesus, Lao and Buddha have nothing for you
    The gods are silent and still
    There is no self disclosure

    There is no self

    They know nothing

    Seeking truth is absurd
    Thought creates the abyss
    When the walls fall
    The boundless is here
    I am a liar and thief
    I live for my own good
    I have discovered nothing
    But my own ignorance
    There is no self to find
    There is nothing to do
    There is a movement
    You can’t experience now
    You only know now in the past
    Now is only a concept to you
    Courage is to let all before go
    You are the only one
    All is finished here
    In my self
    I negate my own words
    There is no purpose in my action
    If someone says they are
    Taking you somewhere
    If they offer to give you something
    They are taking you for a ride
    Robbing you blind
    There is no growth
    Let the dead go
    They know nothing
    My words are empty
    Don’t sell your peace
    For petty experience
    No one knows you
    No one can teach you anything
    I cannot teach anyone anything
    I have no understanding
    Paths are products of thought
    Which is the same old game
    So what the hell have I been doing
    I am just a barking dog
    A babbling brook
    You can’t find anything here
    I have nothing to give
    You have no need
    So get up and go
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:55 pm

    Words can only take you in a circle

    Because we always start and end with...

    ZERO, My Hero

    You can hold onto no thing

    You rise from no thing

    You will fall back into no thing

    So what’s the problem?

    Amor Fati



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    Post by U Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:57 pm

    Our only problem is we have no problems.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:25 pm

    There are no real problems and that is no problem

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:07 pm

    There are apparent problems.

    Dan and others would give breath to apparent problems because he perpetuates thought as that is what his ego is made of, same for us.

    But that is all a ruse to just keep you functioning as a good thought reactor.

    But I say no, I won’t attach to any of them.

    Nothing can make me attach.

    So I bark bark bark like a recovering alcoholic, to shine the light on what only appears to be there.

    They don’t like barking.

    Barking nonsense chases thought away.

    Bark bark bark
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    Post by U Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:12 pm



    Lol

    Peace Smelly, roll up another for me! Be easy.

    Love - AP
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:24 pm

    There is no thing to bite
    And no one here to bite it

    Bark bark bark

    This is the black hole of thought
    They come here to die
    Anything that appears is immediately
    Destroyed in a flash of Zeus’ Lightening
    And then nature remembers its destruction
    In rolling Thunder
    But there is no one here to hear it

    Bark bark bark

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