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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:13 pm

    99 wrote:But even illusions are "something" as opposed to nothing Aaron. Just saying that everything is an illusion is a colossal cop-out in terms of actually going through the process of formulating a theory of everything that's closer to the TRUTH.

    There is no truth that could possibly matter to us.

    Because in our natural state, we don’t think, we abide.

    There simply is what is between life and death for us.

    Nothing more or less.

    I worship and sacrifice to the sun and moon by breathing and dying.

    No thinking or speaking need be involved, that’s just to talk to stupid talking monkeys.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:15 pm

    99 wrote:But even illusions are "something" as opposed to nothing Aaron. Just saying that everything is an illusion is a colossal cop-out in terms of actually going through the process of formulating a theory of everything that's closer to the TRUTH.

    Going about formulating a theory of everything is an exercise in total futility.

    The moment you try and formulate a theory you are in duality land looking for the non-duality land. You can never find non-duality by looking for it, that is impossible by definition.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:35 pm

    Anyone else wanna dance, you muppets are no match for the smelly goat.

    I have mastered this appearance and I know no one this empty.

    Hmm, what should I do now?

    I can do anything I like.

    I’ll just let it flow.

    Bahahahaha
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:01 pm

    Logos is useful for one thing only, playing with Muppets who take logos seriously.

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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:34 pm

    Aaron wrote:You can never find non-duality by looking for it, that is impossible by definition.

    Do you seriously believe that? Spiritual awakenings (or whatever one chooses to call it) happen to total skeptics and unbelievers too but they also happen to seekers so I disagree with your belief that non-duality is impossible to find if one is looking for it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:45 pm

    A great sacred clown.

    This one scene can show you the way to die.

    Just die.

    Let go.

    It is glorious to feel the warmth of your own sun on your new born face and then see it consumed in the black hole of the eternal.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:49 pm

    99 wrote:
    Aaron wrote:You can never find non-duality by looking for it, that is impossible by definition.

    Do you seriously believe that? Spiritual awakenings (or whatever one chooses to call it) happen to total skeptics and unbelievers too but they also happen to seekers so I disagree with your belief that non-duality is impossible to find if one is looking for it.

    Come out of the word games 99.

    There is no such thing as spiritual awakenings or skeptics.

    If you stick with this flow, you will find this.

    But most don’t have the will, imagination or courage.

    Who wants to end their game by choice?

    Only the lonely.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:56 pm

    OK, I was just sitting still and quiet and I saw and heard the name Heraclitus.

    It’s really fun to play that game btw, one of my faves.

    I know him a little.

    Let’s dig into nobody...cause I know nobody as the appearance Heraclitus, only way I can know nothing is through the appearances.

    The peaks and troughs, pits and swirls, are all are part of the ride. Do as Heraclitus would – go with the flow. Enjoy the ride, as wild as it may be.

    If you have died then you know what happened 500BCE, I don’t have to tell anyone who doesn’t know.

    Heraclitus had plenty of opportunity to reflect on the natural world. He observed that nature is in a state of constant flux. ‘Cold things grow hot, the hot cools, the wet dries, the parched moistens’, Heraclitus noted. Everything is constantly shifting, changing, and becoming something other to what it was before.

    Not your average talking monkey, I like him a lot already.

    He is speaking from nothing.

    Devour Heraclitus and then shit him out.

    Heraclitus’ vision of life is clear in his epigram on the river of flux:

    ‘We both step and do not step in the same rivers. We are and are not’

    Damn, can I get an Amen, this is a flying monkey.

    He’s seen it clearly.

    “Moreover, we step into and out of the river as different beings.”

    Most interpretations of Heraclitus’s river fragment focus on the idea of the river in a state of flux. But Heraclitus says more than this in this fragment: ‘We are and are not’.

    The river changes and so do you.

    Change is the only thing I have accepted utterly.

    I have been writing about life and death quite a bit.

    I even said yesterday it could be my only religion, change.

    And here comes Heraclitus.

    “As material beings, we live in a world of flux. Moreover, we are flux. As physical bodies, we are growing and dying all the time, consuming light and resources to replicate our structure, while shedding matter continuously.

    Change and death are ubiquitous features of the natural world. Maybe this is what Heraclitus meant when he said, in his inimitable way:

    ‘Gods are mortal, humans immortal, living their death, dying their life’.”

    I would murder a billion muppets to read one of Heraclitus’ books.

    All his work was lost to us, just epigrams left.

    But my favorite muppet Marcus Aurelius shared a lot of his influence.

    There is no finely spun gold quite as fine or beautiful as the appearance of Marcus Aurelius.

    I mean, god damn they broke the mold with that beautiful terrible muppet.

    He is my true father, to share a secret.

    I chose him.

    I made my self in his image as I flowered.

    "The straightforward and good person should be like a smelly goat—you know when they are in the room with you.” —Marcus Aurelius

    Bahahaha

    I would have committed suicide without Marcus.

    Thank you Father.

    I worship and tremble in your glorious shadow.

    I am not worthy to eat your shit.

    Excuse me, I love him like I tried to love Jesus.

    What if they could have met?

    Change and flow my muppets.

    “Always remember what Heraclitus said: 'The death of earth is the birth of water, the death of water is the birth of atmosphere, the death of atmosphere is fire, and conversely.' Remember, too, his image of the man who forgets the way he is going; and: 'They are at variance with that with which they most continuously have converse (Reason which governs the Universe), and the things they meet with every day appear alien to them'; and again: 'We suppose that we act and speak'; and: 'We must not be like children with parents,' that is, accept things simply as we have arrived received them.”

    —Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:27 pm

    99 wrote:
    Aaron wrote:You can never find non-duality by looking for it, that is impossible by definition.

    Do you seriously believe that? Spiritual awakenings (or whatever one chooses to call it) happen to total skeptics and unbelievers too but they also happen to seekers so I disagree with your belief that non-duality is impossible to find if one is looking for it.

    Nothing to find and nobody to find it.

    I'm an idiot pretender pretending I am separate until I'm not.

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:29 pm

    Markus Aurelius is just another screaming monkey
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:59 pm

    Be one with the muppet

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:00 pm

    Aaron wrote:Markus Aurelius is just another screaming monkey

    He is the most beautiful appearing muppet to me, as I said.

    He does not scream, he sings.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:43 pm

    His singing is gibberish

    He sing like this "bla bla bla bla bla bla"
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    Post by 99 Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:41 am

    smelly wrote:A great sacred clown.

    This one scene can show you the way to die.

    Just die.

    Let go.

    It is glorious to feel the warmth of your own sun on your new born face and then see it consumed in the black hole of the eternal.



    And a split second after his last breath, his spirit and soul (the dove)... flew off into the eternal boundless "to seek out and explore strange new worlds..." Life continues. We don't die. 

    It's a great scene with a message in it that you clearly blocked out because if you knew what that message was, you never would have posted this clip here in the first place.

    He was not only human, but he had a spirit and a soul too!
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    Post by GSB/SSR Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:18 am

    KARA is so 2011 ;-) ... How about love and the quantum eraser experiment ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed-choice_quantum_eraser



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    Post by U Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:35 am

    Well...

    This is awkward
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:59 am

    99 wrote:
    smelly wrote:A great sacred clown.

    This one scene can show you the way to die.

    Just die.

    Let go.

    It is glorious to feel the warmth of your own sun on your new born face and then see it consumed in the black hole of the eternal.



    And a split second after his last breath, his spirit and soul (the dove)... flew off into the eternal boundless "to seek out and explore strange new worlds..." Life continues. We don't die. 

    It's a great scene with a message in it that you clearly blocked out because if you knew what that message was, you never would have posted this clip here in the first place.

    He was not only human, but he had a spirit and a soul too!

    There is no soul or spirit or human.

    You don’t know what you don’t know.

    You must die to be born again.

    And then you sacrifice your knowing.

    Resistance is futile.

    Only then are you free of the cage.

    Then you finally die.
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    Post by 99 Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:02 am

    Here's a great vid on how the quantum eraser rewrites the past... great visuals which I needed to help me understand that concept with more clarity. Fascinating topic! 

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:09 am

    99 wrote:Here's a great vid on how the quantum eraser rewrites the past... great visuals which I needed to help me understand that concept with more clarity. Fascinating topic! 


    No one unferstands anything.

    To think so is delusion.

    There is no past or present really.

    So why need an eraser?

    Silly dualistic talking monkey fantasies.

    Everything is always changing.

    Accept it, now you don’t need an eraser.

    Erase yourself.


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    Post by SurfBum Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:09 am

    99 is AP

    It's obvious
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:11 am

    Aaron wrote:99 is AP

    It's obvious

    I saw Linda on a video.

    I don’t know.

    But she is particularly clueless today, so it must be AP!
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    Post by 99 Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:34 am

    I see it's business as usual  (nothing but silly and absurd chatter) on the "Smelly and Aaron In The Morning Show" on a very remote Alaska shortwave station.  
    Hey, great show guys! Keep up the good work and maybe your show will someday end up on xm radio!
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    Post by whoknows Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:31 am

    Goo goo g'joob

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNqsfFUwhY

    Have you lost more than you know smelly. Do you really know Love?

    You haven't answered a question Dan keeps asking,"why is there something rather than nothing?"

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