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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 3 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:52 am

    Hobbit,

    You see the polarity.  You just don’t see the bridge.

    Many folks, such as yourself, see science as the bridge, as the only successor to gnosticism.  

    That is partly correct, but not in any literal sense.  

    You half way see the metaphors behind science, but you don’t see the personalism that is their foundation.  

    This is where the path gets narrow.  Those blinded by the metaphysical glare out of the east can barely make out the dimensional doorways that are coming into play.

    It is a delicate operation.  One needs to use both eyes, both sides of the mind.   Those newly converted acolytes of the east are so dazzled by the other side, they forget from whence they come.  

    There are fewer practitioners of the western magic, and fewer still who do both.  

    You are cognizant of some western magic, but you have also been spooked off of the prophetic tradition.  

    You might say that I was spooked on to it.

    You have been spooked off of personalism.

    That is a darn shame. Is the mind in science, or science in the mind.

    And who’s mind is it? It may not always be what you know........

    Here, it’s mainly about who we know.

    Until you can understand, Hobbit, you had best join with your friends on that other forum........ thank you, Hobbit.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:25 am

    Dan,
    You presume to know what I know, You don't.

    You may gloss Your piss off advice in whatever fancy words You choose, it still says "piss off" to Me.

    This is a slur on Your character, and an attempt to not face the dragons of Your assumed authority.

    Hobbit ,words bounce of hobbits, like water off a ducks back.

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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:28 am

    Damn some fire being flung around here. Boys make sure you're not wearing loose fitted clothing.

    @Dan: I've had prophetic visions on many occasions. Does that mean I'm special or that I can somehow shut my fucking ego off and see what everyone else should be able to see?
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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:35 am

    smelly wrote:We really don’t know why Dan absolutely refuses to acknowledge the mystical aspect.

    I think the problem with this is people tend to group and separate their beliefs against others. Honestly, mystical is scientific, scientific is the monad, the monad is McDonalds cheeseburgers. We all come from an originating source, regardless of any religious/scientific belief.

    So few people wish to let go of their egos and just BE with all of creation. Sometimes you need a kick of Lucy to get there.

    First time I made out with Lucy I evaporated and became all of reality. It was the greatest.
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:22 am

    RB,

    Evaporate.........  

    Ok.  But there may be another side of evaporation.  You can go there and come back, but what happens if you keep on going through?  That is the question that others are reluctant to ask.  

    It’s the question we need to address.

    The mystics cannot imagine there could be another side.

    The Monad has ample shielding.

    The other side might be impersonal...... it could be personal.

    Logic tells me that it’s got to be personal.



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    Post by SurfBum Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:26 am

    Bwahaha

    It's gonna be a fantastic day!

    Ego is a wonderful tool....dance with it....find the rhythm.

    Relax into it baby.

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    Post by SurfBum Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:42 am

    Congrats Bull,

    Your ego has now identified itself as all of creation.

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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:43 am

    dan wrote:RB,

    Evaporate.........  

    Ok.  But there may be another side of evaporation.  You can go there and come back, but what happens if you keep on going through?  That is the question that others are reluctant to ask.  

    It’s the question we need to address.  

    Thats actually a good question, Dan. I evaporated and became one with all. I became the Monad and it was me. The feeling was easy, it was like a hot knife through butter. There's was no resistance.

    I was a very depressed kid growing up. I was atheist and felt that the world was just atoms waiting to waste away. After experiencing lucy for the first time all depression ceased and visions took ahold of me.

    But where do you go from there?

    So I became running bull. I decided to run and run and never stop to think. All thinking did was ruin and fester and boil and coagulate and ferment.
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:52 am

    RB.......
    I decided to run and run and never stop to think.


    I understand. That’s what almost always happens to the mystic.

    They feel the imperative to stop thinking. They want everyone else to take their hands off the wheel.
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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:56 am

    dan wrote:RB.......
    I decided to run and run and never stop to think.


    I understand.  That’s what almost always happens to the mystic.  

    They feel the imperative to stop thinking.  They want everyone else to take their hands off the wheel.  

    I see what you're saying. And a lot of them will act in that way. I honestly think thats the worst possible action anyone can take. Its not about taking your hand off the wheel. Its about realizing that you have no "hands". We are the creator. All of us have a hand on the wheel. Our thoughts affect us all, no matter the distance. We need to learn to understand this level of connectivity. *by wanting to run and run and not think I am becoming the creator. A constant of action and movement and creation.*

    Some want to use that connectedness for personal gains (stargates, looking glasses, control, etc.). But thats just hogwash bullshit. We are all gates waiting to be unleashed.
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:12 am

    Thinking is a wonderful tool.

    If a Mystic doesn't think and only ran then they wouldn't write books or bug Muppets on forums.

    Once again Dan makes another wrong assumption.

    Just because someone doesn't think the same way you do does not mean they don't think Danny boy.

    I wonder if Bull knows who he is running from....

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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:20 am

    Aaron wrote:
    I wonder if Bull knows who he is running from....

    Shrug

    Run from? I've fought and fought and fought the demons within me and those without me. I have come to the point of sovereignty within and without me and then I decided to run. There is no running from anything now. All is me.

    You can spew your pseudo-philosophical nonsense on any other person but it won't work on me.

    I am you, friend.

    We are one.

    Who, then, do I run from?(nothing) "Where am I going" is the real question. T'were do i run?

    For I am you.
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    Post by whoknows Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:37 am

    smelly wrote:We really don’t know why Dan absolutely refuses to acknowledge the mystical aspect.

    It doesn’t matter at all really, only limits him.

    He just read a book about it in Green Man, didn’t really help.

    It clearly laid out the dangers and reality of the cost to know your self.

    But so what, not a problem really, just the way things are.

    At least the terms are clear and the reality that our experience is not at all as Dan describes was valuable to learn on OMF for me.

    I shared spontaneously mostly and I know that was for me mostly to learn to trust the intuition.

    There are some nasty muppets about here.

    If you are smart and open, you followed the clues, otherwise, you simply dug in deeer to your biases and fears.

    It has been one of the most mystical things in my life to observe how incredible the synchronicities were here with people I met and that Dan can’t consciously relate to now, makes me laugh.

    The more I stepped out on a scary branch, the more I found, lesson there for sure.

    The more resistance I got, the closer I knew I was to the mark.

    It has been a great place to learn about consciousness.

    It only works with respect, humor and open communication and we don’t have that on OMF unfortunately.

    We have a bunch of conspiracy theory obsessed people who want Disclosure info not realizing what is happening on a deeper level.

    As I mentioned, the phrase from "Green Man" in the introduction I found resonance with.

    "Courageous thinkers" Maya.



    "I see you better now, shaded in deeper blue.
    Hardly needing to carry the find-your-way lamp
    Down to the river.
    Tonight flies a better moon.
    Sad water buffalo lie fast near the shallows;
    A splash revealing the fly-catching fishes.
    Dark gods silently watching.
    Tonight flies a better moon.
    I guess you've known lovers here, compliant in passion;
    Softly laid in the old reed bed, harshly
    Lit in the noon sun.
    Tonight flies a better moon.
    Now cloaked in this milky light, new as the virgin dawn,
    Shrouded sweetly in all kinds of mystery,
    You turn, smile and then are gone.
    Tonight flies a better moon."

    I'm off again. At least there is some thinking here. "walked right out of the machinery."


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    Post by SurfBum Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:38 am

    Running Bull,

    Good, now dance free.

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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:39 am

    RunngBull,

    Don't be too certain We are all one.

    I have had conversations with Myself, and I have never even smoked a cig in My life.

    I am eternal, but I am Me.

    I specifically asked who I was in conversation with, and it was Myself and that WE exist in 5D.
    I was told to repeat what was been conveyed to imprint it in the limited memory field We have here in 4D.

    There is no point in lying, as You are lying to Yourself.

    I am committed to puzzling out this system, it's geometry, its' method of consciousness transference across dimensions.


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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:41 am

    hobbit wrote:RunngBull,

    Don't be too certain We are all one.

    I have had conversations with Myself, and I have never even smoked a cig in My life.

    I am eternal, but I am Me.

    I specifically asked who I was in conversation with, and it was Myself and that WE exist in 5D.
    I was told to repeat what was been conveyed to imprint it in the limited memory field We have here in 4D.

    There is no point in lying, as You are lying to Yourself.

    I am committed to puzzling out this system, it's geometry, its' method of consciousness transference across dimensions.


    hobbit

    You see? You are limiting yourself to 5D. You are more than that. But of course this incarnation of Hobbit won't get that. The challenges you gave yourself will play out as they will. Thats no issue. Do you know your mission at least?
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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:42 am

    Aaron wrote:Running Bull,

    Good, now dance free.

    Wink

    Always, friend <3
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    Dance bitches!

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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:52 am

    RunningBull wrote:
    hobbit wrote:RunngBull,

    Don't be too certain We are all one.

    I have had conversations with Myself, and I have never even smoked a cig in My life.

    I am eternal, but I am Me.

    I specifically asked who I was in conversation with, and it was Myself and that WE exist in 5D.
    I was told to repeat what was been conveyed to imprint it in the limited memory field We have here in 4D.

    There is no point in lying, as You are lying to Yourself.

    I am committed to puzzling out this system, it's geometry, its' method of consciousness transference across dimensions.


    hobbit

    You see? You are limiting yourself to 5D. You are more than that. But of course this incarnation of Hobbit won't get that. The challenges you gave yourself will play out as they will. Thats no issue. Do you know your mission at least?


    I am not limiting Myself at all, but have only chatted with 5D.



    "Build the knowledge"


    An Oak tree said that to Me .


    From little acorns.


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    Post by SurfBum Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:52 am

    RunningBull wrote:
    Aaron wrote:Running Bull,

    Good, now dance free.

    Wink

    Always, friend <3

    Wu Whee!
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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:00 am

    hobbit wrote:
    RunningBull wrote:
    hobbit wrote:RunngBull,

    Don't be too certain We are all one.

    I have had conversations with Myself, and I have never even smoked a cig in My life.

    I am eternal, but I am Me.

    I specifically asked who I was in conversation with, and it was Myself and that WE exist in 5D.
    I was told to repeat what was been conveyed to imprint it in the limited memory field We have here in 4D.

    There is no point in lying, as You are lying to Yourself.

    I am committed to puzzling out this system, it's geometry, its' method of consciousness transference across dimensions.


    hobbit

    You see? You are limiting yourself to 5D. You are more than that. But of course this incarnation of Hobbit won't get that. The challenges you gave yourself will play out as they will. Thats no issue. Do you know your mission at least?


    I am not limiting Myself at all, but have only chatted with 5D.



    "Build the knowledge"


    An Oak tree said that to Me .


    From little acorns.


    Hobbit
    Trees are dense with knowledge, for sure.
    I'm glad you have found your connection!
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:14 am

    So, RB, are you a personalist?
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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:20 am

    dan wrote:So, RB, are you a personalist?

    Honestly, I have no idea what personalism is. If you can give me your definition of that philosophy then maybe I can give you my opinion.
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:27 am

    All of my philosophical terms come straight from Wikipedia.

    This comes straight off google........
    a system of thought which maintains the primacy of the human or divine person on the basis that reality has meaning only through the conscious mind.
    So, RB, yes or no, or never thought about it before.......?



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    Post by RunningBull Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:49 am

    dan wrote:All of my philosophical terms come straight from Wikipedia.

    This comes straight off google........
    a system of thought which maintains the primacy of the human or divine person on the basis that reality has meaning only through the conscious mind.
    So, RB, yes or no, or never thought about it before.......?



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    My question to you is do you limit divine personhood to only people? I have varying beliefs on the matter, but I don't personally like the label "animist" or perhaps even "new age". What I see are "people" attempting to expand and create, through unconscious efforts, to become one like the creator. All things have their bindings and their weights that hold them down. The unique thing for humans is Ego and the mysterious archetypes. For a mineral its probably something completely different. For a plant its movement that prevents it from expressing its true self. For a coyote its lack of a sense of personhood. All things have their challenges, and they meet them creatively. I couldn't honestly know any of the people on here's challenges and the lessons they need to learn. All i have is faith, trust, and love that we are all working towards an awareness of that aspect and how it plays into this illusion.

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