Immaterialism 4

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Aaron wrote:I likez what Hobbit says...

Attunement will result in a recognition.

Not all recognition is done through reason...there are subtler senses...

All We hear is radio ga ga.

Antennae/receiver......You are.

hobbit

smelly wrote:Intuition is the key to the awareness you describe.

Doing not doing.

Spontaneous action.

Yes

Listen in to radio 1.618. it also beams out on .618.

The golden ratio radio station of universe.

hobbit

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5985588/15-uncanny-examples-of-the-golden-ratio-in-nature

Fibonacci did not discover this....delve back into the Vedic scriptures.

Nature is this, You are this.

Tune in, or be deaf.
hobbit

hobbit wrote:

All We hear is radio ga ga.

Antennae/receiver......You are.

hobbit

Nice Hobbit

So, if 'We are' tune in to Freddie's tune and understand our 'oneness' it makes us a hive..

Aaron,

The problem with non-action is that, while it sounds good, it lacks a definition.  

Would you care to define it for us?


hobbit,

Ok, so you are big on numbers.......

From whence cometh numbers?


(cont.......)

There is nothing that is not concept, but there is the not-is that can't be concieved or grasped with reason, that words can't express.

When you alight with IT you will be free and at peace and in bliss and dance.

Aaron,

Can the not-is exist anywhere but in the minds of persons?

Can you point to it?

The problem that you and smelly are still having is that you suppose that concepts are something personal.  

They are not.  They are interpersonal, just like everything else.  

The very concept of a person can only exist in a social setting.  

By definition, the Logos is interpersonal.  Get over it, get used to it.  



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Non action is acting in unity with True Will.

It is effortless doing , free from attachments or limitations.

It is spontenouity.

It is dancing with the Tao

It is not having missions and letting go and trusting the river will flow without you struggling against it.

Simply put it is freedom and limitless being.

Aaron,

Ok, and what is the difference between True Will and God?

dan wrote:Aaron,

Can the not-is exist anywhere but in the minds of persons?

Can you point to it?  

Minds and persons are concepts, it is not there.

I can't point to it really, I can only align with it and feel it's aroma float freely in and around this place now.

dan wrote:Aaron,

Ok, and what is the difference between true will and God?

Nothing

Aaron,

Ok, then, mystics and theists are aligned on this crucial point.

hobbit might benefit from your explaning this.

hobbit is our little numerologist...... but he’s never bothered to ask himself....... where do numbers come from?


(cont......)

Yes Dan,

I am doing not-doing always even when I appear not to be.

I fight against the current until I don't.

Aaron,

Are we not all in the flow of the Logos?  

Even smelly and hobbit?

Hmmm..... this might be a crucial question.

dan wrote:Aaron,

Ok, and what is the difference between True Will and God?

Dan, are you so pissed at me you hear nothing?

True Will is our experience of God.

I posted a quote from Marcus about True Will.

True will is what we block or let flow.

You try to name and make distinctions.

People are making and worshipping idols to themselves or angels or demons.

Aaron and ones like him are letting distinctions go.

You think we say we are the only ones.

Never ever ever have I said anything like that.

I have always demonstrated and said we are each enough within ourselves, but we are always entangled.

Why do we keep going over and over words no one is saying.

You are arguing with illusions you have created using your concepts.

Let a few go and you may feel a little more of the swell and trust it.

Or don’t, just saying.

Once you find True Will is real, you practice letting it lead.

Anyway, saying too much about something beyond words.

Here you go Hobbit.

It's not the flow of the Logos exclusively, it's the flow of the Tao, which includes Logos. Logos is one side of the coin. Logos implies it's opposite and they work together to create the flow.

There are an infinite number of irrationall numbers as there are an infinite number of rational numbers.

Yes, all are in the flow of the Tao, in the flow of spontaneous appearing and disappearing.

Even the Muppets trying to paddle their boat fighting against the current are in their own flow of struggle.

One reason Muppets fight the current is because they think time is real.

smelly,

I have always demonstrated and said we are each enough within ourselves, but we are always entangled.

This is the crucial point where you, and almost every mystic goes wrong.


Aaron,

I ask you a very simple question.......

Is there anything besides Logos and love?


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You used the word 'is', so no.

"Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?"
-Zhuangzi

Bwahahahaha

You are welcome to your uninformed opinions Dan.

I can’t convince you, nor am I trying.

I find your opinions laughable though.

I am laughing a lot these days, join me.

Relax.

We have to accept you in ignorance, but our presence here you detest.

Bahahahahaha

Who has the work to do then

Try it, just try to relax and see for yourself.

Then we will see how many disagreements you have.

Ha.

Will you do that before you die?

I don’t know.

Not my problem.

You don’t think each is enough, I completely based on experience disagree.

I can’t argue it with words, but I live it everyday and have demonstrated it.

Straight on.

"You are all indulging the tonal without limit." ... Nagual

dan wrote:smelly,

I have always demonstrated and said we are each enough within ourselves, but we are always entangled.

This is the crucial point where you, and almost every mystic goes wrong.

We are each enough Dan, and yes there are some who need help understanding this, but that doesn't mean they aren't enough, they are just confused.

We are not obstructing help where help is needed.

We help by being one with the flow and free and limitless beyond missions.

The flow takes us where we need to be when we need to be there.

When share what we feel to share free and spontaneously as we feel to do so.

We all play the game in our own ways.

One person's heaven is another person's hell.

Straight on

dan wrote:True, smelly, we are both here, but only one of us has clue about from whence we came.  

It's your statements like this that Dan that continue to show your confusion and dishonesty

You really should stop pretending to think you know what others understand or don't understand or what others are missing or not missing.

This only magnifies your own confusion.

You can only share your own experience or fart on Muppets trying to invalidate others experience or push their own experience or agenda onto others.

GSB/SSR wrote:"You are all indulging the tonal without limit."  ... Nagual

Damn, ok then.

Good fucking reference.

“These terms denote two “parallel” worlds that comprise the universe — the world of material objects (tonal) and the non-material world (nagual).

We communicate with the world of matter through the so-called first awareness, i.e. the one which is carried out through the sense organs of the physical body.

To become able of cognizing the nagual, one has to develop the second awareness, that is, clairvoyance.”

We all live in the tonal, but we always seem to get snagged with Dan on the experience of the nagual.

Dan, Owen and all our buds would say the same as the above, I echo it because I did it, which makes you a fun muppet to tease.

But sometimes Dan, because we are friends, I do try to reason with you at least.

How can you deny our obvious clairvoyance Dan?

This is the immaterial thread?!

I just don’t get it, backing away.

smelly wrote:

GSB/SSR wrote:"You are all indulging the tonal without limit."  ... Nagual

Damn, ok then.

Good fucking reference.

“These terms denote two “parallel” worlds that comprise the universe — the world of material objects (tonal) and the non-material world (nagual).

We communicate with the world of matter through the so-called first awareness, i.e. the one which is carried out through the sense organs of the physical body.

To become able of cognizing the nagual, one has to develop the second awareness, that is, clairvoyance.”

We all live in the tonal, but we always seem to get snagged with Dan on the experience of the nagual.

Dan, Owen and all our buds would say the same as the above, I echo it because I did it, which makes you a fun muppet to tease.

But sometimes Dan, because we are friends, I do try to reason with you at least.

Ha!

Nice reference indeed!