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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:24 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 3 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by hobbit Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:09 pm

    dan wrote:Scott,

    How can I go on, if I am crying?  

    I’m trying not to cry.  The Princess has said she will hold my hand, if I go easy on Joe.

    Yes, Joe may be a fool, but if he’s my fool........ well ok, I’ll try to be brave about it.  


    Doug,

    Discernment is nine tenths of truth.........

    Will they get that on Broadway?  


    Hobbit,

    Despite the appearances of smelly&Co, OMF/BPW is not supposed to be a logic free zone, and some fine day, when I work up enough courage to confront smelly, he will feel the lash of the Logos.  

    Hobbit, you may be using smelly’s shadow to avoid the radar of the Logos.  Like smelly, you are very free with your unsupported assertions.  

    It is easy to jump over a low bar.  But, due to circumstances beyond my control, the bar may have to be raised.

    And, Hobbit, it is hard not to notice that smelly is cruising for a bruising.  



    (cont....)


    Dan, I sense for too longgggggg Your loyalty has been stretched to the limit.

    You have been used and abused, and I feel for You.

    I hide under no shadow, as I realise how light occurs.

    light upon light...……..

    https://quran.com/24/35







    The spinny rich mans toys are useless, and dangerous, Oppenhiemer realised the danger of playing with a system little known.

    I prefer to observe nature, She knows and has many operaters that realise how She operates.

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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:25 pm

    only a fool stakes claim to the truth
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:28 pm

    The truth is obvious jofo.

    Get ready for it ...

    Here it comes...



    Did you catch it?


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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:29 pm

    i'm with hobbit, the spiny thing is pointless, it is what is being spun that we should wonder about
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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:34 pm

    the truth is obvious to an observer; individual perspective results in collective ambiguity. the truth is just what you think, which is so for everyone
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:39 pm

    A valient effort jofo but you are still off by miles.

    Where truth is concerned a valient effort is no more than a valient effort...

    Shrug

    Keep trying you may get there someday.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:25 pm

    Intellectual non-understanding is a hurdle.

    How many will accept they can’t understand things as we have been conditioned to.

    It takes senses most don’t have.

    I was taking a walk in the rain by the bay just now and I couldn’t stop looking and talking to the trees.

    They laugh at me walking by.

    I laugh at all of this.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:46 pm

    The senses are there for each appearance

    The senses are always there

    The subtle is revealed in the walking backwards

    We have been conditioned to walk forward

    To see clearly you have to close your eyes and use your echolocation.

    We spend our whole life relying on our eyes and signposts that we forget we have a more reliable and accurate way of movement.

    You have to take a step off a cliff and a bridge of light will appear at the moment you are certain you will fall to your death.

    Most are too pussy to take that step into the unknown, into Oblivion.
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    Post by painterdoug Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:09 pm

    Dan/ I don't know what they will get on Broadway ?

    I just do. and the residue, like a snails slimy trail will be discussed by others , after the snail is gone.

    all of us, leave our trail.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:30 pm

    All we can do is enjoy the sharing of our creations in art, music, language, and living as we feel to share it in the moment now without any expectations.

    Maybe it will plant some seeds maybe not. When we forget the destination we can truly fall in love with the journey, and the journey is really all that we have.

    Then the Tao can flow freely on the ripples of our True will, unobstructed by limitation.
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    Post by painterdoug Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:32 pm

    "When we forget the destination we can truly fall in love with the journey, and the journey is really all that we have."

    so true Aron   sunny

    btw may art website is www.dougauld.com

    but if you put /ufo on the end you can see my ufo pics .

    go yee out into the world and have fun!
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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:06 pm

    Doug,

    Just been checking out your website.

    Truly fantastic.. Smile

    Some great names and pieces in your 'Whistleblowers' project.

    Looking at some of your pieces of those no longer here, it echoes your earlier remark of how 'the trail we leave' as you mentioned outlasts all of us and becomes our story for those present and those yet to come.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:23 pm

    Aaron wrote:The senses are there for each appearance

    The senses are always there

    The subtle is revealed in the walking backwards

    We have been conditioned to walk forward

    To see clearly you have to close your eyes and use your echolocation.

    We spend our whole life relying on our eyes and signposts that we forget we have a more reliable and accurate way of movement.

    You have to take a step off a cliff and a bridge of light will appear at the moment you are certain you will fall to your death.

    Most are too pussy to take that step into the unknown, into Oblivion.
    Wink

    We have been conditioned not to walk forward, but to look left and right and backward and hope for a better future.

    The senses are atrophied, the potential exists for all to boot themselves up to a root node though, if they are human and have the will to attain.

    No will to attain, no reboot.

    That will to attain comes from that deep wood inside us all.

    Most have been conditioned to avoid these things.

    It has to capture your imagination.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 pm

    We develop our subtle senses with focus, practice and our imagination.

    We learn to meditate on the sound of words and the broadcast signal that weaves its connections through all that moves.

    We become confused so that we can become clear.

    We get lost so we can be found.

    We move so we can sense what is still.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:40 pm

    There is some weird muppet echo in here.

    Hello hello

    Goo Goo

    Ga Ga

    HA HA HA

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    Post by dan Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:37 pm

    It would be scary if Kevin and I could get back on the same page.

    Although plenty of flak is received out at the lake, folks are trying to stay focused on business.  

    Admittedly, details are sparse, but the sense of optimism is undeniable.  Joe remains fully engaged, and he even has time to do some homework on the small world.  

    When will we feel the earth tremors?  Oh, just about any day now........

    ....


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    Post by painterdoug Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:39 pm

    SMELLY/   ONE OF MY FAVORITE SONGS



    AND SMELL / used in movie Trainspotting 2

    both Trainspotting 1 and 2 a prize


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:43 pm

    dan wrote:It would be scary if Kevin and I could get back on the same page.

    Although plenty of flak is received out at the lake, folks are trying to stay focused on business.  

    Admittedly, details are sparse, but the sense of optimism is undeniable.  Joe remains fully engaged, and he even has time to do some homework on the small world.  

    When will we feel the earth tremors?  Oh, just about any day now........

    ....

    Yah yah yah

    Blah blah blah

    Wah wah wah

    Ha ha ha
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:46 pm

    painterdoug wrote:SMELLY/   ONE OF MY FAVORITE SONGS  


    Loved it since the first time I heard it in the 80s.

    I felt now that we are engaged mostly in baby talk, they were relevant.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:07 pm

    I learned a new concept today Dan will like, religious praxis.

    You can look it up.

    But we do not need to take a tradition as ours, I like sampling the best from all of history and then making it my own, guided by inner light/intuition.

    In my experience this works much better than consumerism and materialism.

    Life somehow takes on an epic heroic journey feel following intuition balanced with good reason and sound body.

    Your life feels mythic and connected to all the others.

    I feel this the most authentic way to study history, through the lense of the heart, connected to our world now.

    I always take things backwards, even read books backwards often.

    I see the perennial revealed wisdom sprinkled throughout our history. I have made a study of our secret history. It is pretty amazing to trace them to now, where to from here?

    Here now, where to, is such a backward question.

    Jacobs Ladder joins heaven to earth.

    Realization clearly shows you the source of all religions and their ultimate resolution possible in your self only.

    Don’t take anything literally.

    The word Prestigious comes from the Latin word "prestigiae," meaning "juggler's tricks."

    That metaphorical meaning has been changed over time.

    Called semantic change, a shift in a word's meaning occurs when frequent misuse becomes standard, or when metaphoric use becomes literal.

    I think all religious texts and first hand accounts of the mystical go through this semantic change in time.

    You have to look deeply into the Logos or you are building an illusory castle with illusory blocks. The Queen and Castle and King was a metaphor made literal.

    This is why Zen is so effective in connecting you back to your self, it’s all intuitive in Taoism and Zen, Wei Wu Wei.

    It seems as if it had to be here during our darkest age, furthest from the light of our shared rosy heart.

    Take the word ‘fun’.

    This noun, formerly a verb, used to mean "to cheat or hoax" in the 17th century. The new meaning, "amusement," appeared around 1727. The original version likely stems from the a variant of Middle English fonnen, meaning "to befool."

    Because sometimes lying to people is fun, right?

    Meaning is fluid and changes based on context.

    We are surrounded by a wasteland of cults and personalities.

    The scientific/technological culture that we have created has stolen the mysticism from his soul and replaced it with consumerism and materialism.

    Intuition is a key to the imagination, the imaginal world awaits.

    No one can grasp truth.

    It goes through your fingers.

    If Dan/Ron has some tech that bridges to the imaginal, bring it on. If you don’t, that makes more nonsense.

    Personally, I would never trust a portal I didn’t create my self.

    Consider that very very carefully.

    Materialism will not be ended by words or the BPW or theories or UFO Disclosure, that is all just nonsense. In the way we can intuit all religions and Magick have the same source, we will see past materialism to the gold that lies within us. Materialism can be realized to be incorrect only through direct experience.

    Doug I see your play as the esoteric version of Dante’s journey.

    How do you move, ‘by putting his head in place of his feet and his feet in place of his head.’

    The jester does just such a thing.

    We use the devil to climb the ladder in reverse.

    Just a thought or two.

    I wonder if Lucifer was a meteor from our past?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 am

    I was reading a book about Dante’s books and I stopped on chapter 6 The Three Worlds on pg. 33. It was quite a read that page.

    Then my wife asked me if I wanted to watch Pawn Stars.

    I said sure and then an item comes up, an MC Escher original Three Worlds lithograph.

    And this image exactly matches the page I read.

    Silliness. Just silly. Really silly.

    Wowee

    What an image too.

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    Post by hobbit Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

    Took My son to see Queen at Knebworth , last time they performed.
    140,000 singing radio ga ga.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:46 am

    Goo goo

    Ga ga

    Ha ha ha

    We have contact!

    Oh and Escher’s Three Worlds corresponds with Dante’s Comedy and the Hindu’s Three Gunas.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:48 am

    1986,
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Queen+Live+Knebworth+Park+1986&&view=detail&mid=7DAE8079F0812B3CE2CF7DAE8079F0812B3CE2CF&&FORM=VRDGAR

    Tempus fugit,

    It took five hours to exit car park, nobody cared.

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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:31 am

    Freddie was and is 'Pure Magic'

    Thanks Hobbit Smile


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