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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 3 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:11 am

    RunningBull wrote:
    dan wrote:All of my philosophical terms come straight from Wikipedia.

    This comes straight off google........
    a system of thought which maintains the primacy of the human or divine person on the basis that reality has meaning only through the conscious mind.
    So, RB, yes or no, or never thought about it before.......?



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    My question to you is do you limit divine personhood to only people? I have varying beliefs on the matter, but I don't personally like the label "animist" or perhaps even "new age". What I see are "people" attempting to expand and create, through unconscious efforts, to become one like the creator. All things have their bindings and their weights that hold them down. The unique thing for humans is Ego and the mysterious archetypes. For a mineral its probably something completely different. For a plant its movement that prevents it from expressing its true self. For a coyote its lack of a sense of personhood. All things have their challenges, and they meet them creatively. I couldn't honestly know any of the people on here's challenges and the lessons they need to learn. All i have is faith, trust, and love that we are all working towards an awareness of that aspect and how it plays into this illusion.

    You have been party to trying to silence the experience and expression of others you don’t agree with.

    You are a lying inauthentic confused muppet Wink

    All my love pretender.

    Stay in your head, yah, that’s the way.

    Bahahahahahahaha
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:41 am

    Thank you, smelly.......


    Aaron and I were discussing the problem of solipsism........

    Solipsism is a quintessentially human/personal problem.

    It’s a problem that we all share with the personal Monad.  

    Thank you, Aaron.......

    Solipsism is what makes us human, and one with God, at the same time.  

    We just need to spread the good cheer.  

    smelly is maybe just a little bit groggy, only having woken up a few years ago.  

    Yes, it’s all about spreading the grog.  

    There are many who have been waiting, patiently, for this Day.  

    From now, until the cows come home, it’s only a logistical problem.  

    Clearly, the pope and the president, along with you name it, will have to be involved.  Everyone has a part to play.  

    Some critical elements of the choreography have already been worked out.  

    Your part has been worked out, too, by you and all the rest of us.  

    It is all teamwork.  

    Let’s just see if we can win this one for the Gipper.........

    But, smelly, rest his soul, is right, of course.  We will all be able go on auto pilot with this game.  

    We just have to know which game we’re playing.  

    People just need to know that there is a new game in town, and why it has taken nearly two thousand years to set it up.  

    And, yes, those lights in the sky have always been a big part of the choreography.  

    Are we ready to rumble?  

    I believe that donny is...... we’re not sure about mike yet.  Obviously he will be a key player...... unless nancy is.

    donny may need a well deserved rest....... or not......
    .......

    Oh, yes, RB wanted to know if his Fido will be able to go to heaven.

    Well, RB, I have it on very good authority that all of Kashmir cheetah friends are already in heaven. So, if I were you, I’d not be to worried. Are you sure that Fido wants to go to your. He might be a bit tired of us by now.

    On the other hand, he may be your great grandma, just waiting for you.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:39 pm

    Very good Zen muppet Ack.

    Dan, my only request, please don’t mention me here anymore Wink

    I’m gone and not contributing further.

    If you have some point to make or question, text me.

    Otherwise, have a nice life.

    You still don’t get it or have heard what I said Wink

    I was only speaking to my self.

    But you get what you need to get.

    Don’t know, straight on.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:08 pm

    What a night?
    The UK parliament have just told Mrs May to piss off.
    She hasn't.
    I have been told to piss off Here,
    I haven't.
    Smelly declares He is going to piss off,
    He won't.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:13 pm

    Nobody wants to leave.

    this is a fabulous world.

    Nobody created it, there is no big boss.

    Those who BELIEVE there is a big boss are cowards.

    They want to defer responsibility for very hard questions to some more clever dude.

    Around a campfire of releasing consciousness perhaps We could discuss?????

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    Post by Cuan Scott Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:14 pm

    Hobbit,

    Seems Mrs May's plans aren't going too well... Biggest government defeat in 95 years?

    Perhaps though, looking to the positive, maybe the decision re 'Brexit' will be taken off the table if something better emerges..



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    Post by hobbit Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:40 pm

    Cuan Scott wrote:Hobbit,

    Seems Mrs May's plans aren't going too well... Biggest government defeat in 95 years?

    Perhaps though, looking to the positive, maybe the decision re 'Brexit' will be taken off the table if something better emerges..



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:59 pm

    hobbit wrote:What a night?
    The UK parliament have just told Mrs May to piss off.
    She hasn't.
    I have been told to piss off Here,
    I haven't.
    Smelly declares He is going to piss off,
    He won't.

    Hobbit

    Bahahahahahaha

    No really, it’s obvious I’m beating a dead horse here.

    I swear I really am moving on.

    It was always fun for me.

    It’s not fun anymore.

    So that’s the big sign to move on.

    I had to respond to the hobbit.

    With you and others I always felt it like a fireside chat.

    Dan thinks I’m showing off when I share the experiences, but I was judged and riddiculed by lessor muppets who are in fear of life and are not taking responsibilty for it.

    I was just looking for others to play with who are expiring similar things.

    Comes with the territory.

    I only told the inauthentic lying pretenders to piss off.

    Dan told me to piss off too hobbit.

    He has his agenda and he is welcome to that nonsense.

    Don’t know, straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:17 pm

    hobbit wrote:
    Cuan Scott wrote:Hobbit,

    Seems Mrs May's plans aren't going too well... Biggest government defeat in 95 years?

    Perhaps though, looking to the positive, maybe the decision re 'Brexit' will be taken off the table if something better emerges..


    It will need the rolling minstrels to rouse the Earth spirits.
    The magicians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id-uy--H8tQ

    Hobbit



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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:41 pm

    To those who are offended by missions, I apologize.......

    My mission is to demonstrate that scientists are wrong about the nature or reality.  

    I sometimes think that they should have known better.  

    But that would be wrong.  Scientists have played their part.  I just hope that I can play my part as well as they have, theirs.  

    Neither one of us had any choice in the matter.  

    Already, I have broached a deep philosophical problem, raised by Plantinga, among others, concerning rationality.  

    How can there be rationality without free will?  

    I don’t believe that we have free will.  

    No one is ever wrong....... even in claiming that 1+1=3, or committing murder?  

    That’s not quite what I meant.  We can be, and often are wrong..... but for the right reasons...... because this has to be the best possible world.  

    For one thing, we learn from our mistakes, and our mission here is all about learning.  

    Back to Plantinga........

    How can we be said to be rational, then?  We can only be rational, after the fact...... hindsight is 20/20.  

    And rationality is a matter of convention, more than pure logic.  

    There is no such thing as pure logic...... that would imply objectivity.  I’m a relativist.  

    The notion of rationality necessarily entails a considerable degree of normativity.  



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    Post by @awestruckt Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:50 pm

    The Grey Lady publishes another UFO piece:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/arts/television/project-blue-book-history-true-story.html
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:44 pm

    Nunia,

    Thank you, yes.  Another puff piece.  They know that something serious is going on, but they don’t know what to say about it, so they play a very low card, just to say that they are in the game, and, presumably, their readers should be, as well.
    ........

    The best possible world is a world of no fault.  

    Adam eating the apple....... hey, it was a felicitous sin.  

    The scientists ate the apple of materialism.  Without science, most of us would have been worse off.  

    Did the scientists strive too hard to save the appearances?  Should they have known better?  

    The appearances were created, in order to be saved..... in order to push us into materialism and, yes, atheism.  How can we understand theism without understanding atheism.  From the two comes, panentheism, which, I believe will be closer to the truth.  

    Yes, there is progress, just not always what we expect.  

    Teleologically speaking, scientists create the dinosaurs they study, same goes for the Big Bang, etc......

    What would the world look like, if it didn’t look natural?  I’d hate to think.  

    Would we rather be living in terrarium?  Not me, thanks.  How about ShangriLa?  That’s another story...... we’ll get there.  

    But, hey, this is a very small step for a person, but a giant leap for humankind.  Should Neil Armstrong apologize for being the first to the moon?  He doesn’t owe me an apology.  

    I apologize to all the mystics out there.  Gnosticism wins by a nose.  

    Of course, I cheated.  The game was fixed.  I arranged for Aliyah, with a little help from Foot.  

    Am I the best possible cheater....... perhaps from the vantage that nearly everyone will be able to say, with complete candor...... they could have done it better, with just a smidgen of luck.  Me?  I had a smidgen of faith.  That’s all.  End of story.  

    To be human is to suppose that we could be God.  This is just solipsism.  Who amongst us has never been a closet solipsist?  Hey, that’s the best place to be a solipsist.  Me? I guess I just got a little carried away....... dang me, take a rope and hang me....



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    Post by hobbit Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:52 am

    Smelly,

    Most admired one.

    You said....
    "Ridiculed by lessor muppets"

    That is a daft thing to declare, You then appear to think of Yourself as a superior muppet?

    All upon here are sat around the same camp fire of this internet, and have different pasts and variant levels of indoctrinations.
    As a hobbit I have less indoctrinations to fight, and feel sorry for those who have vast indoctrination levels to break free from.

    You have clearly found a way to delete much of Your indoctrinations and thus have began to see the light as such.

    Any attack upon You by those struggling to achieve similar is a reflection upon themselves of the frustrations involved with their own struggles.

    To Myself it is water off a ducks back when people ridicule or try to remove Me from their sight as such.

    I just ramble on.






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    Post by Araneidae Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:09 am

    THe oBjective oF the GAME if you so choose to play IT is ...


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    Post by hobbit Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:49 am

    Araneidae wrote:THe  oBjective oF the GAME if you so choose to play IT is ...

    Welcome.
    Oh what a tangled web We weave, when first We practise to deceive.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:26 am

    hobbit wrote:Smelly,

    Most admired one.

    You said....
    "Ridiculed by lessor muppets"

    That is a daft thing to declare, You then appear to think of Yourself as a superior muppet?

    All upon here are sat around the same camp fire of this internet, and have different pasts and variant levels of indoctrinations.
    As a hobbit I have less indoctrinations to fight, and feel sorry for those who have vast indoctrination levels to break free from.

    You have clearly found a way to delete much of Your indoctrinations and thus have began to see the light as such.

    Any attack upon You by those struggling to achieve similar is a reflection upon themselves of the frustrations involved with their own struggles.

    To Myself it is water off a ducks back when people ridicule or try to remove Me from their sight as such.

    I just ramble on.






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    I’m just playin around, tongue in cheek Wink
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    Post by dan Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:31 am

    Aran,

    Game........?  Ok, let’s see.......

    It is basically a quest for truth.  I’m fairly sure that our truth will turn out to be the best possible truth.

    This information may be time sensitive.

    Reportedly, it was the subject of a recent heated exchange between donny and mike....... well, the latter did demur from the formers support. It might have something to do with the wall and the space force.



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    Post by Araneidae Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:41 am

    Thank You For the WelCome HobbiT.

    Dan,

    Your TrutH or truth? DO you produCe or reduce It? Best posSible for whom the bell tolls?


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    Post by dan Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:49 am

    Aran,

    This truth is only way to make sense of monism.

    This truth also happens to be our fate, already written in the stars.  

    We just need to figure out how to keep spreading the good news..... by word of mouth, presumably.  

    Some, like mike, are liable to object, seeing chicken little as the pied piping Antichrist...... oh, well.....

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    Post by Araneidae Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

    Dan,

    Why does MonIsM need trUth to make THIS sense? Perhaps NOnSenSe, no?


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    Post by dan Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:08 am

    Aran,

    As an immaterialist/idealist, I subscribe to the coherence theory of truth (CohTT), rather than the much more common correspondence theory (CorTT).

    Unless everything is an accident, the CohTT is the only way to go.  

    The Anthropic Principle strongly militates against the world being an accident.  So does the mind/body problem.  

    The world is much more like a great thought than a great machine.  

    God is a thinking person, just like us.  Together we dream up the world, sub specie aeternitas, within the frame of Eternity.  

    We are figments of the imagination of the One.

    With the advent of the Princess and her portals, and the developments in Utah, and on Broadway, hopefully, it is virtually a done deal.


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    Post by Araneidae Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:20 am

    Dan,

    BY what RUle does YOUR truth COhere? wherE arE you GOing?

    onLY TeleologY denotes acciDENTs. A confused MOnism has problems OF MInds and ThIer BOdies...


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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:20 am

    dan wrote:...
    How can we be said to be rational, then?  We can only be rational, after the fact...... hindsight is 20/20.  

    And rationality is a matter of convention, more than pure logic.  

    There is no such thing as pure logic...... that would imply objectivity.  I’m a relativist.  

    The notion of rationality necessarily entails a considerable degree of normativity.  
    (cont......)

    this is an interesting post Dan, thanks

    i can accept that rationality is an assessment made with hindsight, but is there not room for rational thought to exist within our foresight? thinking that we have no free-will is a denial of responsibility for a sentient being imo, a denial of our connection to the present and that choice is what shapes the future. so many possibilities are within the grand design; perhaps the most intelligent design would be one that allows for the participation of an individual in a non-trivial and important way. if we're all part of a great whole, then why would any single element be more or less relevant than another? we have a responsibility to the whole. the intelligent design allows for chance and it allows for the intent of all parts to be realized.

    i'm with you on being a relativist; perspective is pervasive and infinite, objectivity is absolute; the one is the sum of the many. the truth is what people think...
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    Post by dan Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:27 am

    jofo,

    We are all microcosms of the cosmic One/Self.

    Free will is largely illusory, as we already know from psychology.  

    The real action is behind the portals of consciousness.  

    We participate in the spectator sport we call life.  

    You are not the only one upset.  So is mike, but we quickly realize that life goes on, in its best possible way.


    Aran,

    Yes, Teleology rules the roost. Our return to the One is the Telos of Creation.

    You will need to elaborate the rest of your question.

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